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linderlizzie

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2019, 04:08:48 pm »
Next time you think about banning Abortion you just remember all those homeless people you don't look at and all the sections of the city you are afraid to go too.

I don't understand your argument here. Were those people all potential murder victims of their parents and that's why they're homeless on the streets? Is that what naturally happens to children that are allowed to live instead of being aborted?

I still can't comprehend why the "sections of the city we're afraid to go to" are pertinent to your argument either. Please explain if you will. Unless, of course, they would have all been aborted and out of sight had the mother been allowed to "choose."

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2019, 04:40:00 pm »
Banning abortions won't stop women from having them.  The bans are a futile effort, and a waste of taxpayer time and money.

"Between 1974 and 1983 the repeat abortion rate soared drastically - 166%."

It is definitely NOT a futile effort to ban abortions. And I can't think of a better way to spend taxpayer money. It would be first on my list.

"Since legalization, abortion has become so routine more than 40 million unborn
babies have been aborted since 1973. In 1996, 1,365,730 abortions were recorded, an
increase of well over 100% since 1973, when the annual figure was 615,831, according to
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About every 20 seconds a baby is
aborted. 159 abortions are done every hour, 3,805 every day, 115,744 every month.
Almost 30% of all pregnancies are now ended by abortion."


The quotations are taken from Georgia Right To Life website.

The other data to consider is the effect that abortions have upon the mother including physical, psychological and emotional trauma and, in some cases, death.

It's also interesting to imagine what sort of people may have been lost forever who were geniuses in some field that would have been a vital asset to our country and we'll never know. We'll never know.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2019, 05:58:26 pm »
Banning abortions won't stop women from having them.  The bans are a futile effort, and a waste of taxpayer time and money.

"Between 1974 and 1983 the repeat abortion rate soared drastically - 166%."

It is definitely NOT a futile effort to ban abortions. And I can't think of a better way to spend taxpayer money. It would be first on my list.

"Since legalization, abortion has become so routine more than 40 million unborn
babies have been aborted since 1973. In 1996, 1,365,730 abortions were recorded, an
increase of well over 100% since 1973, when the annual figure was 615,831, according to
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About every 20 seconds a baby is
aborted. 159 abortions are done every hour, 3,805 every day, 115,744 every month.
Almost 30% of all pregnancies are now ended by abortion."


The quotations are taken from Georgia Right To Life website.

The other data to consider is the effect that abortions have upon the mother including physical, psychological and emotional trauma and, in some cases, death.

It's also interesting to imagine what sort of people may have been lost forever who were geniuses in some field that would have been a vital asset to our country and we'll never know. We'll never know.


As I said, banning abortion won't stop them.  It will simply make it unsafe, and women will die.
What lowers the abortion rate is free and accessible birth control. 
Women aren't incubators.


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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2019, 06:17:22 pm »
I find it interesting that a majority of the people that say we can't ban abortions or women will get them illegally are the same people who are calling for a gun ban as if people won't get guns illegally.

Personally, I am not pro-choice, because abortion IS murder. Am I also not pro-life, because we already have too many people in this world and most of them suck. I suppose I am pro-prevention. Condoms are cheap and easily accessible, and abstinence is free.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2019, 06:54:57 pm »
There is enough people and there are too many people who no one cares about. It is so stupid worrying about someone who is not born when there are so many people who are not worried about who are alive. The bottom line is, people love sticking their nose in other people's business.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2019, 09:37:30 pm »
I find it interesting that a majority of the people that say we can't ban abortions or women will get them illegally are the same people who are calling for a gun ban as if people won't get guns illegally.

Personally, I am not pro-choice, because abortion IS murder. Am I also not pro-life, because we already have too many people in this world and most of them suck. I suppose I am pro-prevention. Condoms are cheap and easily accessible, and abstinence is free.


History.  When abortion was illegal, women were still having abortions.  Banning them pushes them underground, and women die. 
Banning guns, same principle.  People who want them, will find a way.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2019, 07:52:31 am »
I find it interesting that a majority of the people that say we can't ban abortions or women will get them illegally are the same people who are calling for a gun ban as if people won't get guns illegally.

Personally, I am not pro-choice, because abortion IS murder. Am I also not pro-life, because we already have too many people in this world and most of them suck. I suppose I am pro-prevention. Condoms are cheap and easily accessible, and abstinence is free.


History.  When abortion was illegal, women were still having abortions.  Banning them pushes them underground, and women die. 
Banning guns, same principle.  People who want them, will find a way.

That's why I find it interesting that most of the people pushing for legal abortion are also pushing to ban guns. Skewed logic.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2019, 11:05:46 am »
I find it interesting that a majority of the people that say we can't ban abortions or women will get them illegally are the same people who are calling for a gun ban as if people won't get guns illegally.

Personally, I am not pro-choice, because abortion IS murder. Am I also not pro-life, because we already have too many people in this world and most of them suck. I suppose I am pro-prevention. Condoms are cheap and easily accessible, and abstinence is free.


History.  When abortion was illegal, women were still having abortions.  Banning them pushes them underground, and women die. 
Banning guns, same principle.  People who want them, will find a way.

And when they get the abortion in an office a baby dies.  No if it were not legal and easily accessible they would not get them as often. Maybe it needs to be made a law if you get an abortion at the same time you will be sterilized so this doesn't happen again.  Maybe that would curb it.  I mean it is not like there are not multiple ways to prevent pregnancy.  And it has been proven that a very small percentage of abortions are because of rape.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2019, 12:49:51 pm »
It is so stupid worrying about someone who is not born ....


In that case, you would consider me to be one of the stupidest people on earth.
 
WHY is it okay to kill an innocent human life (and yes he or she IS human) out of convenience? WHY is it okay to act irresponsibly and not consider the consequences of those actions?


I know I am not changing anyone's mind here, but to call us stupid is absolutely insulting.I will take that insult for what it is, and simply respond with "You're Welcome."  To the one baby who is saved: "You're Welcome." To the one mother who has the chance to rethink her situation and change her mind before it is too late: "You're Welcome." To the person who believes that I am stupid and have no right to an opinion on this issue because I am a pro-life male (but at the same time would WELCOME and champion my opinion if I was a pro-abortion male) - you are the 'unintelligent' one.

(EDIT - for some reason, the majority of that last paragraph came through as very fine small print in my original post...)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2019, 10:27:00 am by UGetPaid »

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2019, 05:42:36 pm »
There is enough people and there are too many people who no one cares about. It is so stupid worrying about someone who is not born when there are so many people who are not worried about who are alive. The bottom line is, people love sticking their nose in other people's business.

Do you have children mardukblood2009? If not, maybe I get your point. You can't see why anyone would worry about someone not born. If you have children, or ever tried to have children, you would understand why someone would worry about someone not born. And as for caring for people who are born; who says that we don't care about them too?

As to sticking our noses into other people's business, why should we worry if someone wants to murder someone? It really doesn't matter if it's a grown person or a toddler or an infant, does it? If it's their business, then we should just let it go. Right? Any murder is that person's own business and none of ours. You know; there ought to be a law. Oh, wait; there is one, isn't there? I think they put people who murder others in prison, unless it's their own baby. Then it's their own business. There is no punishment for that. Good plan.


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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2019, 06:01:34 pm »
Banning abortions won't stop women from having them.  The bans are a futile effort, and a waste of taxpayer time and money.

"Between 1974 and 1983 the repeat abortion rate soared drastically - 166%."

It is definitely NOT a futile effort to ban abortions. And I can't think of a better way to spend taxpayer money. It would be first on my list.

"Since legalization, abortion has become so routine more than 40 million unborn
babies have been aborted since 1973. In 1996, 1,365,730 abortions were recorded, an
increase of well over 100% since 1973, when the annual figure was 615,831, according to
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About every 20 seconds a baby is
aborted. 159 abortions are done every hour, 3,805 every day, 115,744 every month.
Almost 30% of all pregnancies are now ended by abortion."


The quotations are taken from Georgia Right To Life website.

The other data to consider is the effect that abortions have upon the mother including physical, psychological and emotional trauma and, in some cases, death.

It's also interesting to imagine what sort of people may have been lost forever who were geniuses in some field that would have been a vital asset to our country and we'll never know. We'll never know.


As I said, banning abortion won't stop them.  It will simply make it unsafe, and women will die.
What lowers the abortion rate is free and accessible birth control. 
Women aren't incubators.



I agree that banning abortions will not stop them, but legalization drastically increases the number. I guess you didn't read my post before you wrote your response. Banning anything is not an answer, but saying that birth control is an option is obvious but doesn't always work and it's not free.

Abstinence is free but that's not practiced very much anymore.

The people who opt for abortions are generally looking for an easy way out of an uncomfortable position they got themselves into. It's a selfish act that totally disregards another person's right to life.

There are many organizations that are willing to help people deal with their particular situation (unwanted pregnancy) that might not be as easy, but are obviously more humane.

What does your comment about incubators have to do with the post? I never said women were incubators. Here is the definition. What is your point?

in·cu·ba·tor

   1.  an enclosed apparatus providing a controlled environment for the care and protection of premature or 
         unusually small babies.
   2.   an apparatus used to hatch eggs or grow microorganisms under controlled conditions.   
   3.  a place, especially with support staff and equipment, made available at low rent to new small businesses.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2019, 03:50:33 am »
While I do not generally believe in abortions, I ultimately believe it should be a personal choice only to be made by the affected woman. Just my two cents. I do not appreciate people controlling my reproductive rights.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2019, 08:54:17 am »
Banning abortions won't stop women from having them.  The bans are a futile effort, and a waste of taxpayer time and money.

"Between 1974 and 1983 the repeat abortion rate soared drastically - 166%."

It is definitely NOT a futile effort to ban abortions. And I can't think of a better way to spend taxpayer money. It would be first on my list.

"Since legalization, abortion has become so routine more than 40 million unborn
babies have been aborted since 1973. In 1996, 1,365,730 abortions were recorded, an
increase of well over 100% since 1973, when the annual figure was 615,831, according to
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About every 20 seconds a baby is
aborted. 159 abortions are done every hour, 3,805 every day, 115,744 every month.
Almost 30% of all pregnancies are now ended by abortion."


The quotations are taken from Georgia Right To Life website.

The other data to consider is the effect that abortions have upon the mother including physical, psychological and emotional trauma and, in some cases, death.

It's also interesting to imagine what sort of people may have been lost forever who were geniuses in some field that would have been a vital asset to our country and we'll never know. We'll never know.


As I said, banning abortion won't stop them.  It will simply make it unsafe, and women will die.
What lowers the abortion rate is free and accessible birth control. 
Women aren't incubators.



I agree that banning abortions will not stop them, but legalization drastically increases the number. I guess you didn't read my post before you wrote your response. Banning anything is not an answer, but saying that birth control is an option is obvious but doesn't always work and it's not free.

Abstinence is free but that's not practiced very much anymore.

The people who opt for abortions are generally looking for an easy way out of an uncomfortable position they got themselves into. It's a selfish act that totally disregards another person's right to life.

There are many organizations that are willing to help people deal with their particular situation (unwanted pregnancy) that might not be as easy, but are obviously more humane.

What does your comment about incubators have to do with the post? I never said women were incubators. Here is the definition. What is your point?

in·cu·ba·tor

   1.  an enclosed apparatus providing a controlled environment for the care and protection of premature or 
         unusually small babies.
   2.   an apparatus used to hatch eggs or grow microorganisms under controlled conditions.   
   3.  a place, especially with support staff and equipment, made available at low rent to new small businesses.


An incubator is a machine, without a mind or soul, whose sole purpose is to bring a fetus to a point that it can survive outside the incubator.

The abortion discussion centers around the fetus, or the unborn, rather than the woman and her right to life.
Thus reducing a woman to the status of an incubator, instead of a person with a mind and a soul.

That was my point.





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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2019, 10:36:24 am »

The abortion discussion centers around the fetus, or the unborn, rather than the woman and her right to life.
Thus reducing a woman to the status of an incubator, instead of a person with a mind and a soul.



Tell me I am not the only one to see the irony in this choice of phrasing.

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Re: Abortion Ban
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2019, 06:05:31 pm »

The abortion discussion centers around the fetus, or the unborn, rather than the woman and her right to life.
Thus reducing a woman to the status of an incubator, instead of a person with a mind and a soul.



Tell me I am not the only one to see the irony in this choice of phrasing.

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself and so succinctly.

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