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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2009, 11:21:38 pm »
My parent's told me the santa lie and my mother still likes to say "Santa is coming in x-months or x-days" (x being a number) though she knows I do not believe, However I will probably tell my children that he IS real not WAS, and the true meaning of christmas, and when they grow to the age they start to have doubts I'll just stop telling them he exists


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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2009, 11:26:12 pm »
I consider a fantasy not a lie. I loved listening to my parents tell me about Santa and I can't wait to have kids and share the stories with them.

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2009, 10:26:52 am »
I consider a fantasy not a lie.

The act of portraying such a fantasy as truth when you're fully knowledgeable that it's not true is the lie...

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2009, 10:35:27 am »
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Theres is no santa But there is a God

No screenshot....No proof!

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2009, 05:13:05 pm »
growing up i never believed that there was a real santa because from a young age i knew that my grandfather dressed up as santa for all the school and knights of columbus functions that we went to. i knew the tales that were told to other children and i knew that other kids believed it so i never told them that i knew it wasn't real. and when "santa" was at school or the mall or wherever i always pretended to be as excited as they were, even though most of the time i knew the man in the beard quite closely. and as i grew up my own father took over the santa suit from my grandfather. as for my children, my son is 9 and he understands the story and the "magic" of santa but he doesn't believe that a man goes all around the world giving out presents. he knows that his presents come from his father and i and he knows that the santa that goes to the schools and the parades is his own grandpa. it doesn't make his christmas season any less special or less "magical." and i fully intend to share thr truth with my daughter (17 months) when she is old enough to understand.

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2009, 05:25:11 pm »
Santa Claus lie. What is that about. There are some people who want to still believe and tell their children that Santa Claus exist and there are some who just grow out of it. But Maybe there are others who just simply believe it's just a holiday and it's their family that brings them the presents

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2009, 11:06:58 pm »
 I found out around age 6, and it didn't exactly scar me or anything. My mom told me the truth the first time I asked outright if he was real. I told my son Santa was real when he was little. He didn't buy it. He was 4 and he told me "that's impossible". I asked him where the presents come from and he said "you".
So I agreed. I certainly wasn't going to try to convince him.

When he started Kindergarten at 6, he wavered a little because all the other kids believed it. He told me he didn't see how any of that could really happen, and I told him it was just a story to make the holidays fun for kids.
I don't see anything wrong with letting your kids enjoy thinking it's true for a couple of years. But so many parents try to squash their kid's reasoning when they are figuring it out.

I never told him the mall Santa's were helpers, the reindeer ate special dust so they could fly etc. Basically, I let him question and reason it out and agreed with him when he reached the truth. I guess it may seem mean to some people to lie to their kids, but if you think you will Never lie to your kid, I doubt you have a teenager yet.

I think the santa story and discovering the truth can be beneficial to young kids. Especially if you are raising a kid without religion, as I am. It's a chance to see that a Lot of people, what seems like "everybody" to them, can believe something that isn't true. That you have to think about things , question, and see what makes sense.

If they think the Santa story sounds unbelievable, they won't be likely to believe in a magic talking snake, angels, and so on.  ;D

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2009, 11:09:16 pm »
what do yu mean a lie?!? he's not real?!?

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2009, 01:10:58 am »
figured out there is no santa at like age 4, saw my mom wrapping the presents. But to this day Santa still vists me ;)

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2009, 07:27:53 am »
Surprisingly, my parents never told me that, I didn't find out til I was nearly 8, and by then I was hearing from friends it was "a big lie" haha.

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2009, 07:42:42 am »
I notice in earlier posts that Christmas was said to have started with Christianity.  Here is a little history that I found online.  Being quite familiar with Winter Solstice and the age old traditions during the late December season I thought it worth posting:

When Christianity spread througout the Roman Empire, Christians did not obliterate pagan symbols or celebrations but, out of respect for the people, adapted them to Christian thought or usage e.g. pagan temples became Christian churches and pagan feasts became celebrations of Christian saints or Christ.

Christmas is celebrated on December 25th, which is very close to the winter solstice. Many pagan cultures had festivals (even regarding the sun) around the time of the winter solstice e.g. the Viking celebration of Yule in late December. Early Christians simply used these established, and well-loved, festivals to celebrate the birth of THE Son, Christ.



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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2009, 07:48:56 am »
Actually, Santa does/did exist. My parents were born in Europe and told me stories of how someone would go to all the houses and give out gifts or lumps of coal if you were baf. However, it is not the person that makes Santa real, it is the spirit of giving which is nearlly non-existant today as everyone has the "all about me" belief. I worked retail for 20 years and can tell you horror stories, worse than someone chopping another to pieces as in the movies, of real life happenings of how people act this time of year.


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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2009, 11:29:57 am »
Actually, Santa does/did exist. My parents were born in Europe and told me stories of how someone would go to all the houses and give out gifts or lumps of coal if you were baf. However, it is not the person that makes Santa real, it is the spirit of giving which is nearlly non-existant today as everyone has the "all about me" belief. I worked retail for 20 years and can tell you horror stories, worse than someone chopping another to pieces as in the movies, of real life happenings of how people act this time of year.



Yes, it's very likely that the mythical character of Santa Claus is based on historical individuals.  Of course, there are many proposals about who those historical individuals are.

But obviously I don't think this thread is referencing that type of Santa.  I think they're referencing the Santa that has reindeers and flies across the world on December 24th giving presents to everyone.  Which is quite clearly untrue.

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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2009, 11:49:05 am »
You are right, the birth of the sun became the birth of the son. This isn't the only holiday adapted from a Pagan one. Look into other Christian holidays, the stories are similar. It's easier to change what people are celebrating, than to get them to stop.

I notice in earlier posts that Christmas was said to have started with Christianity.  Here is a little history that I found online.  Being quite familiar with Winter Solstice and the age old traditions during the late December season I thought it worth posting:

When Christianity spread througout the Roman Empire, Christians did not obliterate pagan symbols or celebrations but, out of respect for the people, adapted them to Christian thought or usage e.g. pagan temples became Christian churches and pagan feasts became celebrations of Christian saints or Christ.

Christmas is celebrated on December 25th, which is very close to the winter solstice. Many pagan cultures had festivals (even regarding the sun) around the time of the winter solstice e.g. the Viking celebration of Yule in late December. Early Christians simply used these established, and well-loved, festivals to celebrate the birth of THE Son, Christ.




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Re: The Santa Claus lie
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2009, 01:15:51 pm »
I felt bad sometimes telling my kids a lie, especially after they start getting a little older. Plus its not supposed to be about him anyway.  We give gifts in honer of the birth of Jesus.

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