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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: walksalone11 on February 20, 2010, 07:39:05 pm
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There is no honesty in Pope Rat summoning the Irish Bishops to the Vatican. There is no honesty in his attempts to put things right. Why so?
Because in 2001 Cardinal Ratzinger, as he was then, rewrote the secret doctrine that instructed Bishops on how to deal with sex scandals. He tightened the rules and made sure all such cases were dealt with directly by the Vatican.
Had he truly been interested in improving the situation he would have torn up the thirty year old document, that instructed Bishops to use secrecy, bribes and threats of excommunication to shush up scandals and thrown it into the rubbish.
He would have instructed Bishops to take all such reports directly to civilian criminal authorities.
But he didn’t.
He tightened things up, tied up the loose ends and made a big attempt to push all this under the carpet and keep it there.
Read more @......
http://freedomforall.net/index.php?s=paedophile
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Why do you care so much? Were you an oppressed Catholic in a prior life? Maybe Muslim?
So the Pope is corrupt-- stop the press, y'all.
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:sad1:If the pope would just allow birth control, half of the population of California would go down!!! All the Mexicans here have about 12 kids,, and no jobs!!!! They must spend their time making babies!!!
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Racism's only okay when it's funny, Debra. If you dislike Mexicans may I suggest a move to Canada?
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What there are no Mexicans in Canada?
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well, hey, I can pick on the italian family who had eight kids in this day and age....my parents!!
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Why do you care so much? Were you an oppressed Catholic in a prior life? Maybe Muslim?
So the Pope is corrupt-- stop the press, y'all.
The answer to that is all around you but of course you have your head too far up your *bleep* to see any thing outside of "you".
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Yes because we're all affected by the corruptness of the Pope. :angry7:
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Yes because we're all affected by the corruptness of the Pope.
Actually Angel, we are all affected by the corruption in the Roman Catholic Church. Did you know that the richest slum lord in the world is the Roman Catholic Church? Did you know that the Roman Catholic church allows divorce ONLY for proven adultery? There is a "joke" about the only way to get a divorce in Italy is to have the spouse killed. It isn't a joke, actually. The ONLY grounds for divorce in Italy are: legal seperation (which takes 3 YEARS), if one member of the couple is a foreigner and gets a divorce abroad then the remaining spouse can file for divorce as well and if the marriage has NEVER BEEN CONSUMMATED. How many couples in this day and age get married and never have sex? Physical abuse, mental abuse, emotional abuse, adultery ... LEGALLY, in Italy, a country which is "proclaimed" as Catholic, are NOT grounds for divorce! If a woman has a spouse that beats her on a regular basis her only legal option is to have him put in jail and file for judicial separation. Then she has to avoid him for 3 years before she can get a divorce. Hiring a hitman is cheaper and easier.
Most of the people on welfare, by religious denomination, are Roman Catholic. That's YOUR tax dollars paying for unwanted pregnancies that must go to term because their religion does not allow them to terminate NOR does it allow a healthy woman to CHOOSE to have her tubes tied. And condoms are not reliable.
Crime: the majority of crimes are committed by person classified as poor or working poor. (Catholics on welfare living in Catholic slums)
The proliferation of pedophiles in the Roman Catholic clergy has only come to light because Americans have taken their complaints to the courts not to the church. It isn't "new" it's been going on for centuries. Any action, other than hanging a pedophile out to dry by appeal to the local authorities, within the church is just trying to keep a lid on their corruption. The international body of clergy attest to the fact that the Roman Catholic church is NOT "Christian" it is a cult. Definition of a cult: any organization reporting to be religious which follows the dictates of a living leader. The Roman Catholic chruch takes direction from the Pope, whomever he may be, NOT from the Bible and Church Tradition.
Have you ever heard the guideline "it takes an entire village to raise one child"? It means that everything that happens to ANY child IS YOUR business. Turning a blind eye to what goes on in any cult is against Bible doctrine. We are supposed to be intolerant of injustice. The Roman Catholic church has literally gotten away with murder for centuries because no one will stand up to them.
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He tightened things up, tied up the loose ends and made a big attempt to push all this under the carpet and keep it there.
Separation of Church and State can be a harsh reality sometimes, my friend. But let's be honest-- you can't expect too much good from a group that aligned with Hitler just to save their pretty buildings from being bombed.
I don't have a problem with individual catholics. A lot of them are good people. It's just when you get higher up in their 'ranks', you see so much atrocious and illogical behavior it boggles the mind into depression to know that they have so much power over what people think.
arrwyns post
Yup.
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:sad1:If the pope would just allow birth control, half of the population of California would go down!!! All the Mexicans here have about 12 kids,, and no jobs!!!! They must spend their time making babies!!!
I agree, they need to quit having kids!
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:sad1:If the pope would just allow birth control, half of the population of California would go down!!! All the Mexicans here have about 12 kids,, and no jobs!!!! They must spend their time making babies!!!
I agree, they need to quit having kids!
Leave America right now plz.
And Armyn, you gave me a lot of points on how the corruptness of the Pope affects Catholics, but not how it affects the billions of other people in the world beyond raising my taxes a few cents. If I were to allow everything that raised my taxes to affect me personally then I'd be pretty pissed off all the time.
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I agree, they need to quit having kids!
Population control is always a good idea. China's doing this right now.
Before I go into this, I love mexicans. I work with a few and they rock. I discuss these types of things openly with them too so I don't want to come off as racist. But I think them living here and having our economy the way it is is taking a toll on them. I read a story a year ago on how many illegals are returning to Mexico due to the costs of living. If they're having a ton of kids and living in California (one of the most expensive places to live) I just don't see any logic to that equation. It's obvious they aren't trying to better themselves, so why stay here? Isn't it hard to get government aid if you have no citizenship? And even then-- spreading it among many kids? Can someone answer this?
Not trying to get off topic here....but whatever. Maybe someone can make a new topic on it?
SHE IS A TROLL - TELLING PEOPLE TO LEAVE AMERICA
No she's not. Stop trolling.
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Did anyone read where one of the Muslim Mullahs in Europe said that in 100 years they will rule Europe because Christians do not have as many babies as Muslims?
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Did anyone read where one of the Muslim Mullahs in Europe said that in 100 years they will rule Europe because Christians do not have as many babies as Muslims?
When they breed their women like dogs and have 20 kids per woman, I don't know how they'd ever get that far ahead of progressive countries.
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One can move any where they want but the shift has already begun from the agenda of forced assimilation into a nationalized community to that of a globalized one.
It will be rather amusing really to observe all the people who constantly advocate others to "just get over it" when they are themselves the victim of having their entire culture robbed from them and forced into a totally foreign world that they have no interests in nor desire of joining.
There will be no more Americans......everyone will be simply.....earthlings I guess......
Just remember that "just get over it already" mantra you are always spouting while you whine to me how I should care since I know how it feels.
But hey....we have offered to fight injustices together....but you are obviously not interested.
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Seriously Walkalone, if black people can get over what was done to them, so can you. You should really be thanking the "white man", since you'd likely not have central air-conditioning and the countless other luxuries I'm quite sure you relish in if not for them, haha.
And yes, one day we all will be the same people, "earthlings" as you call it, once all our differences are cast off and we learn to accept that we're all the same. Once people like you die out, that is. How old are you now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBXyB7niEc0
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A former nun's tell-all story which details illicit relationships, sexual harassment and bullying in the convent where she spent three decades is causing ructions in the Catholic Church in the south Indian state of Kerala.
In Amen - an autobiography of a nun, Sister Jesme says when she became a nun she discovered priests were forcing novices to have sex with them. There were also secret homosexual relationships among the nuns and at one point she was forced into such a relationship by another nun who told her she preferred this kind of arrangement as it ruled out the possibility of pregnancy.
"I did not want to make this book controversial. I want to express my feelings and to explain what happened to me... I want people to know how I have suffered," she told The Independent last night, speaking from the town of Kozhikode. "People say that everything is OK, but I was in the convent and I want them to know what goes on. I have concerns for others."
Sister Jesme, who quit last year as the principal of a Catholic college in Thrissur, alleges senior nuns tried to have her committed to a mental institution after she spoke out against them.
In her book, she says that while travelling through Bangalore, she was once directed to stay with a purportedly pious priest who took her to a garden "and showed me several pairs cuddling behind trees. He also gave me a sermon on the necessity of physical love and described the illicit affairs that certain bishops and priests had". The priest took her to his home, stripped off his clothes and ordered her to do the same.
She also alleges that while senior staff turned a blind eye to the actions of more experienced nuns, novices were strongly punished, even for minor transgressions. She was not allowed to go home after she learnt her father had died. "I was able to see [the body of] my father barely 15 minutes before the funeral," she writes. "The [response] of the superiors was that the then senior sisters were not even lucky enough to see the bodies of their parents."
When she resigned as a college principal, she claimed convents had become "houses of torture", saying: "The mental torture was unbearable. When I questioned the church's stand on self-financing colleges and certain other issues, they accused me of having mental problems. They have even sent me to a psychiatrist. There are many nuns undergoing ill-treatment from the order, but they are afraid of challenging it. The church is a formidable fortress."
The allegations are not the only controversy to rock the Catholic Church in Kerala. Last summer, a 23-year-old novice committed suicide and left a note saying she had been harassed by her Mother Superior. Reports suggest there have been a number of similar suicides. And in November, police in Kerala arrested two priests and a nun in connection with the killing of Sister Abhaya in a notorious 1992 murder.
Last night, a spokesman for the Syro-Malabar order of the Catholic Church, Dr Paul Thelakkat, dismissed Sister Jesme's allegations as a "book of trivialities". "It's her experiences, but these are things that might creep into a society of communal living," he said. Asked if the church would be shocked by the allegations, he replied: "Absolutely not. The church knows about these things."
Read more from the Independent @.......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/former-nun-tells-of-sex-s_n_168517.html
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Ridiculous rumours. The Pope isn't responsible for the Irish priests who molested children, and the Catholic church at large most certainly isn't responsible. This idea of a giant conspiracy is silly and unprovable. Besides, if you're childish attempt to call this man Pope Rat is a reference to Pope Benedict XVI's real name, then I must most humbly inform you that he was not Pope in 2001. He became Pope in mid 2005 upon the death of Pope John Paul II, who's real name was Karol Józef Wojtyła. So learn your facts.
I know it's "cool" to hate on the Catholic Church and all, but at least TRY to sound like you have even a vague idea of what's going on.
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Yeah man stick to providing information on Injans and keep your nose out of other folk's business, especially when all you base your information on is heresay and supposition.
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Five Hundred Years of Injustice:
The Legacy of Fifteenth Century Religious Prejudice
by Steve Newcomb
When Christopher Columbus first set foot on the white sands of Guanahani island, he performed a ceremony to "take possession" of the land for the king and queen of Spain, acting under the international laws of Western Christendom. Although the story of Columbus' "discovery" has taken on mythological proportions in most of the Western world, few people are aware that his act of "possession" was based on a religious doctrine now known in history as the Doctrine of Discovery. Even fewer people realize that today - five centuries later - the United States government still uses this archaic Judeo-Christian doctrine to deny the rights of Native American Indians.
Origins of the Doctrine of Discovery
To understand the connection between Christendom's principle of discovery and the laws of the United States, we need to begin by examining a papal document issued forty years before Columbus' historic voyage In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued to King Alfonso V of Portugal the bull Romanus Pontifex, declaring war against all non-Christians throughout the world, and specifically sanctioning and promoting the conquest, colonization, and exploitation of non-Christian nations and their territories.
Under various theological and legal doctrines formulated during and after the Crusades, non-Christians were considered enemies of the Catholic faith and, as such, less than human. Accordingly, in the bull of 1452, Pope Nicholas directed King Alfonso to "capture, vanquish, and subdue the saracens, pagans, and other enemies of Christ," to "put them into perpetual slavery," and "to take all their possessions and property." [Davenport: 20-26] Acting on this papal privilege, Portugal continued to traffic in African slaves, and expanded its royal dominions by making "discoveries" along the western coast of Africa, claiming those lands as Portuguese territory................
Continued @....
http://ili.nativeweb.org/sdrm_art.html
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In a United Nations World Conference Against Racism document there are the words: "In the fifteenth century, two Papal Bulls set the stage for European domination of the New World and Africa. Romanus Pontifex, issued by Pope Nicholas V to King Alfonso V of Portugal in 1452, declared war against all non-Christians throughout the world, and specifically sanctioned and promoted the conquest, colonization, and exploitation of non-Christian nations and their territories." This document also declares: "….the subjugation of the native peoples of the New World was legally sanctioned. ‘Laws’ of ‘discovery’, ‘conquest’ and ‘terra nullius’ made up the ‘doctrines of dispossession’…" "These doctrines allowed Christian nations to claim ‘unoccupied lands’ (terra nullius), or lands belonging to ‘heathens’ or ‘pagans’." (ref.)
In the 1823 U.S.A. Supreme Court ruling Johnson v. M’Intosh, Associate Justice Joseph Story, who was on the Supreme Court at the time of the Johnson ruling, published a book in which he drew a specific connection between Christianity, the pope (the Vatican) and the ”principle” of ”discovery” adopted by the Supreme Court. And, around this same time, Supreme Court Judge John Marshall also identified the Christian doctrine of discovery behind the Johnson ruling…revealing that the Israelites’ Old Testament directed mission "to destroy or rule other nations with a rod of iron" was (by a misunderstanding of the New Testament directive) turned over to Christians, as God’s new Israelites,” who, according to Romans 2: 29, were "inwardly Jews", (they being white Europeans) wrongly believing that they had a ”God-given right and mission ” to colonize (conquer, subdue and possess) the lands of the red indigenous nations and peoples (the new Canaanites), who were not "inwardly Jews" (Christians) at the time of their discovery by the ethic cleansing and genocidal war-mongering white European Christian imperialists and colonists, who became white Euro-America Christians with the same evil intentions.........
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i wish i had a $100,000 robe, a bullet proof pope mobile, a communiun cup made of solid gold, and the protection from the church. Yes, what the pope does effects our society as a whole.