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Yeah, basically defend your belief about Jesus.
Rule#1: NO NAME-CALLING OF any kind to a person of FC or their organizations beliefs, The Catholics invented the trinity sun-worshipper <-----BAD, I believe the trinity is bad because the Romans invented it who venerated some babylonish teachings <---- good
Rule#2: Your post must contain only one scripture no multiple scripture posts BUT IT MUST INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE SCRIPTURE, you can summarize what other scriptures say though after you post your scripture. I.E. Genesis 3:2-5(NASB) reads 2The woman said to the serpent, "(B)From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
4(C)The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Revelation 12:9 says he is the original serpent.
Rule#3: Respond to one post at a time, posting 2 to three times in a row is ok if it's not within 5 minutes and is responding to different posts.
Well that's it LET THE is Jesus God or a god debate BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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8) wow dude, the old testament rules...(a.k.a."commandments") were easier to understand and there were 10 of them!! (I'm gonna go get some sleep because to land on this thread being exhausted is more than I can take right now and hopefully when I get up tomorrow...this will all make some sense. ::) )
That has nothing to do with you believing Jesus is GOD or a god -_- spam.
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Yeah, basically defend your belief about Jesus.
Rule#1: NO NAME-CALLING OF any kind to a person of FC or their organizations beliefs, The Catholics invented the trinity sun-worshipper <-----BAD, I believe the trinity is bad because the Romans invented it who venerated some babylonish teachings <---- good
Rule#2: Your post must contain only one scripture no multiple scripture posts BUT IT MUST INCLUDE AT LEAST ONE SCRIPTURE, you can summarize what other scriptures say though after you post your scripture. I.E. Genesis 3:2-5(NASB) reads 2The woman said to the serpent, "(B)From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
4(C)The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Revelation 12:9 says he is the original serpent.
Rule#3: Respond to one post at a time, posting 2 to three times in a row is ok if it's not within 5 minutes and is responding to different posts.
Well that's it LET THE is Jesus God or a god debate BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUESTION----Who is Jah?? I suppose that is a name for God that you got from somewhere, correct?? Where did that one come from??
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haha
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----Who is Jah?? I suppose that is a name for God that you got from somewhere, correct?? Where did that one come from??
Jah is a shortened version of Jahweh which is the name given to God in the Old Testament. There are many spellings/variations of it and, as far as I know, is mainly used by those who are Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sure I will be corrected on that if I am wrong.
The rules and this topic are too much for me, but I thought I might be able to answer your question. ;)
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----Who is Jah?? I suppose that is a name for God that you got from somewhere, correct?? Where did that one come from??
Jah is a shortened version of Jahweh which is the name given to God in the Old Testament. There are many spellings/variations of it and, as far as I know, is mainly used by those who are Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sure I will be corrected on that if I am wrong.
The rules and this topic are too much for me, but I thought I might be able to answer your question. ;)
The rastafarians also use it. the Jah part anyway and christendom uses it even if they don't know it everytime they say hallelujah oh the blasphemy.
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Okay, here's my Scripture, if I can only post one. BTW, I believe that Jesus is God, manifested in the flesh.
And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. I Timothy 3;16
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the bible was written buy an author for nothing more then to make money off the sales. if god was real he would give everyone 1 so they can read what he says instead it's sold
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Listen people God is God and Jesus is his son. God created heaven and earth and he sent his only son for our sins. I know some of you don't beleive any of this but read your Bible
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Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
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Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
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Poor Abelard. Wasn't he a monk?
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God doesn't exist............So keep on flocking, little sheep. Millions of people on this earth believe in God, so it must be right for you. Far be it for you to believe in something that is tangible! Think for yourself!!!
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Okay, here's my Scripture, if I can only post one. BTW, I believe that Jesus is God, manifested in the flesh.
And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. I Timothy 3;16
The subject of the chapter is the mystery of godliness, verse 9 says faith is the mystery of godliness, moreover the KJ version is the only version I found that says God instead of he?
Sorry I took so long to respond back I fell away from FC and forget I made this thread -_-.
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Why are you making rules for this? It doesn't make sense and just adds to confusion in here. Especially after a long day - my poor depleted brain needs rest, not trying to decipher what's going on. :-
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If Jesus is not God, then this is not a Christian debate.
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If Jesus is not God, then this is not a Christian debate.
@Jcribb16: If there are no rules there is no order and we might as well start middle age wars between belief systems online.
@dell9031: Either show some proof from scripture or you will be taken as someone who just goes by what someone tells them(follower). As for me here's a scripture this one has Jesus compared to angels!!!!
Galatians 4:14 Reads 14 And what was a trial to YOU in my flesh, YOU did not treat with contempt or spit at in disgust; but YOU received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.
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Listen people God is God and Jesus is his son. God created heaven and earth and he sent his only son for our sins. I know some of you don't beleive any of this but read your Bible
this just goes to show you that people can be brainwashed into believing anything anyone wants you to this includes a god
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Listen people God is God and Jesus is his son. God created heaven and earth and he sent his only son for our sins. I know some of you don't beleive any of this but read your Bible
this just goes to show you that people can be brainwashed into believing anything anyone wants you to this includes a god
What do you mean by a god? I don't understand why can't someone be qualitatively god and not the almighty God himself. Rulers back then where known as Godlike ones. Take the Greek, Egyptian and Roman rulers.
Anyway if Jesus is the most high why is he NEVER called the most high in the bible?
Psalms 83:18 Reads(KING JAMES VERSION) That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.
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"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love," -- Ephesians 4:2
I had trouble understanding the original question, but since the post said to use a quote from scripture, I feel this one is the most appropriate regarding this subject based upon what I'm guessing the question in fact is.
Whether Jesus is God or the Son of God or just a great prophet is, in my eyes, not the most important thing. What is the most important thing is the message he spread on love and tolerance.
However, if I had to give a definite answer, I would answer "God". I think there is an omnipotent power, i.e. Spirit, God, or The Light that we are all part of. And I think God wants us to be tolerant of each other regardless of our religious beliefs.
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"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love," -- Ephesians 4:2
I had trouble understanding the original question, but since the post said to use a quote from scripture, I feel this one is the most appropriate regarding this subject based upon what I'm guessing the question in fact is.
Whether Jesus is God or the Son of God or just a great prophet is, in my eyes, not the most important thing. What is the most important thing is the message he spread on love and tolerance.
However, if I had to give a definite answer, I would answer "God". I think there is an omnipotent power, i.e. Spirit, God, or The Light that we are all part of. And I think God wants us to be tolerant of each other regardless of our religious beliefs.
The foundation is always the important thing but the problem is if you say Jesus has a name above all names and answers to no one(almighty) then that puts him over his father. If it's the other way around then Jesus is not the almighty God as his father will have a name higher then him and the father answers to no one. I believe that's why we can be forgiven if we blasphemy against Jesus but not "the spirit".
Mark 3:29 Reads(Young's literal) but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'
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well one bible text i can give is john14:28 were he states that the father is greater than he was.this comes after he said those famous words "he that has seen me has seen the father"but he was just showing them that when they saw the wonderful qualities he had it was like seen his father.and remember,the bible was written for man,to be understood by those with a humble heart,so why would jesus refer to him as "father" as someone greater if this would bring confusion to the trinity doctrine
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I do know for sure that Jesus Christ is the son of God. god is not the right format, it's used to indicate the lil gods that idol worshippers pray and sacrifice unto, e.g objects.....That's something I know for sure.
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the importance of knowing what position jesuschrist holds is great because he stated that no one could get to the father only threw him.he has earnd that right by giving his life for us.if we were to think of him as god almighty then we would not be respecting his position because that position belongs to only one jehova(plams 83 18)but if we under stand that threw him godjehova gives us a chance to get to know him and the hope to live eternally(Jhon 3 16)(hebrews 4 14-16)then godjehova becomes someone more real to us and jesus and no longer are a mysterious trinity
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the importance of knowing what position jesuschrist holds is great because he stated that no one could get to the father only threw him.he has earnd that right by giving his life for us.if we were to think of him as god almighty then we would not be respecting his position because that position belongs to only one jehova(plams 83 18)but if we under stand that threw him godjehova gives us a chance to get to know him and the hope to live eternally(Jhon 3 16)(hebrews 4 14-16)then godjehova becomes someone more real to us and jesus and no longer are a mysterious trinity
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Ultimately I think it comes down to faith. However, as Bishop Fulton J. Sheen says, there are three tests of reason and/or history.
1) Jesus was pre-anounced in hundreds of Old Testament prophecies
2) He performed Miracles that revealed His divinve nature and atested to the fact he cam from God.
3) Jesus never taught anything contrary to reason, although somethings may have been above it.
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Jesus is a God and Jesus is MY God. Jesus does not command, he just asks and Jesus has helped me more times than I can count... :thumbsup:
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I will offer my first proof.
42And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying: What think you of Christ? Whose son is he? They say to him: David's.
43 He says to them: How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying:
44 AThe Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? A
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word: neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
A: Jesus was quoting Psalm 110:1. In the original Hebrew, " Jahweh said to my Adonai". Adonai only refers to God. This is an example of Jesus making the claim He was God's Son.
I have other proofs if that isn't enough.
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so how is quoting the bible supposed to prove that he exists? how is that supposed to end the debate that's never going to end?
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foreverinlove,
To Christians, the Bible is God's Word and is used to help prove points, how to live for Him, how to lead others to Him, etc. I agree with you, though, that no matter how much of the Bible people quote and use to help their research and answers, there is always going to be a never-ending debate about Christians/non-christians. So, like you, I agree this debate won't end all Christian debates.
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Guys, guys...
...This is the debate BETWEEN Christians to end all debates BETWEEN Christians. Get it? ;)
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ok...but since you're all christians, why would you be debating about something that you should all know anyway?
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Guys, guys...
...This is the debate BETWEEN Christians to end all debates BETWEEN Christians. Get it? ;)
That's just it, though, this will not end Christian/Christian debates either, since Christians have beliefs that differ, such as the trinity, salvation itself, etc. I have a hard time wanting to debate in one such as this while having to following the rules imposed on (such as this particular one.)
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ok...but since you're all christians, why would you be debating about something that you should all know anyway?
You bring up a very good point here. However, there are certain issues that even Christians disagree with other Christians about: the trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit), "missing" books of the Bible (some feel that these books weren't God-ordained and that's why they weren't included in our Bible), some religious sects pray to saints and to Mary (while others don't believe in that), and many more. I still agree with you, however, that this particular debate won't ever end Christian debates, whether with like Christians and/or non-christians.
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I will offer my first proof.
42And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying: What think you of Christ? Whose son is he? They say to him: David's.
43 He says to them: How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying:
44 AThe Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? A
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word: neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
A: Jesus was quoting Psalm 110:1. In the original Hebrew, " Jahweh said to my Adonai". Adonai only refers to God. This is an example of Jesus making the claim He was God's Son.
I have other proofs if that isn't enough.
Genghis Khan I think this debate is over as Jesus is God party is not responding i'll add that Jesus has partners or companions that are ANGELS however.
Hebrews 1:7-9 Reads 7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”
Jesus partners are the Angels according to the context of these verses!!!!!! I'm well aware that some translations have God saying the O God to Jesus but even then Jesus one verse later is shown to have a God above him(your God). I truly believe that "the most high" doesn't have anyone higher then him.
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please people.please.
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please people.please.
DON'T SPAM MY THREAD TWO MORE TIMES AN I'M APPEALING TO THE ADMIN >:( >:( >:(
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It is hard to defend faith as it is a gift from God, but here I ago...
I argue that Jesus is Lord for three reasons.
1) Jesus was pre-announced as the Messiah in multiple old-testament books and prophecies
2) Jesus performed miracles which attributed to His divine nature
3) The founder of no other religion is as necessary for that religion as Christ is for Christianity. Granted these different persons (Buddha, Confucious, Moses, Muhammad, etc.) are necessary for the founding of the religion but not for the religion to carry on. Buddism doesn't demand you believe in Buddha, but that you become an enlightened one. Confucionism doesn't demand you have a relationship with him, but that you follow ethical precepts that lead to peace with your ancestors. Moses didn't demand men believe in him, but they put trust in God. Islam demands faith in God, but not necessarily faith in Muhammad.
However, when you come to Christ, here Christianity demands a personal, intimate bond. We have to be one with Jesus. One with Him in a way in which we cannot in any way claim to be Christian unless we reflect the person, the mind, the will, the heart, and the humanity of Christ.
The above was inspired by Fulton J. Sheen.
God love you.
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John 10:30 ~ "I and my Father are one."
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the BIBLE is mans word written for god it's a fiction book about what it may have been like in that time of history
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the BIBLE is mans word written for god it's a fiction book about what it may have been like in that time of history
I respectfully disagree. The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then). What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened. I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.
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respectfully disagree. The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then). What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened. I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.
"It truly boggles my mind that a big percentage of people in the year 2001 in the U.S. of A., one of, if not the most socially advanced country in the world, believe in a goofy book that was written by people that lived thousands of years ago. It really just completely freaks me out when I think about it. They lived in a time when the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe. They wrote a book, said it was the word of God, and two thousand years later people are still buying their bull.
That is one incredible human accomplishment.
The fact that a book filled with stories too dumb to make it into an episode of Xena Princess Warrior continues to be used as the guide for human behavior after all this time is truly mind boggling.
We as a society, if we are going to accept the concepts of organized religion realize that we must put aside normal, natural, human skepticism and questioning in order for ANY of it to make ANY sense whatsoever. Now how did they cover their *bleep* on that one? How do they get you to NOT think, and NOT question? They get you with one simple word: FAITH.
Now if that ain’t a hoot and a half, I don’t know what is. They actually got rational, intelligent people to put aside THINKING and LOGIC just by saying you have to have faith.
And silly as it is, people bought it, and continue to buy it, hook line and sinker. The fact that these stories take in SO many people is what’s really disturbing to me. Simple, dumb, ridiculous stories that only a little kid should be able to believe.
Like Noah and the Ark, for instance.
Now, please… with any knowledge of science whatsoever and a grade school grasp of the food chain, how the hell could you buy into that one? If you put 2 of each animal on a boat for 40 days, all you would have at the end is a couple stuffed crocodiles and a few nervous hippos and rhinos. Animals EAT other animals.
And even if they did put off eating for 40 days, what the hell are they going to eat when they get off the boat?
It’s such a simple puzzle that it’s actually quite confusing to me that people still believe it. It was designed to trick the people of 2,000 years ago, and yet today with all of our science and wisdom it’s still accepted by a frightening number of people.
Want even dumber? How about Adam and Eve.
Two people were created by God, these two people screwed, and their kids screwed each other, and that’s where we came from. Life was supposed to be perfect, pure and holy, but then that Eve chick went and ate the fruit that God said not to eat, so now we’re screwed up forever.
Now, if that isn’t the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in all my life, I really don’t know what is. Yet, there’s many intelligent people with important jobs and kids, that take that story as a fact."
- Joe Rogan
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respectfully disagree. The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then). What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened. I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.
"It truly boggles my mind that a big percentage of people in the year 2001 in the U.S. of A., one of, if not the most socially advanced country in the world, believe in a goofy book that was written by people that lived thousands of years ago. It really just completely freaks me out when I think about it. They lived in a time when the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe. They wrote a book, said it was the word of God, and two thousand years later people are still buying their bull.
That is one incredible human accomplishment.
The fact that a book filled with stories too dumb to make it into an episode of Xena Princess Warrior continues to be used as the guide for human behavior after all this time is truly mind boggling.
We as a society, if we are going to accept the concepts of organized religion realize that we must put aside normal, natural, human skepticism and questioning in order for ANY of it to make ANY sense whatsoever. Now how did they cover their *bleep* on that one? How do they get you to NOT think, and NOT question? They get you with one simple word: FAITH.
Now if that ain’t a hoot and a half, I don’t know what is. They actually got rational, intelligent people to put aside THINKING and LOGIC just by saying you have to have faith.
And silly as it is, people bought it, and continue to buy it, hook line and sinker. The fact that these stories take in SO many people is what’s really disturbing to me. Simple, dumb, ridiculous stories that only a little kid should be able to believe.
Like Noah and the Ark, for instance.
Now, please… with any knowledge of science whatsoever and a grade school grasp of the food chain, how the hell could you buy into that one? If you put 2 of each animal on a boat for 40 days, all you would have at the end is a couple stuffed crocodiles and a few nervous hippos and rhinos. Animals EAT other animals.
And even if they did put off eating for 40 days, what the hell are they going to eat when they get off the boat?
It’s such a simple puzzle that it’s actually quite confusing to me that people still believe it. It was designed to trick the people of 2,000 years ago, and yet today with all of our science and wisdom it’s still accepted by a frightening number of people.
Want even dumber? How about Adam and Eve.
Two people were created by God, these two people screwed, and their kids screwed each other, and that’s where we came from. Life was supposed to be perfect, pure and holy, but then that Eve chick went and ate the fruit that God said not to eat, so now we’re screwed up forever.
Now, if that isn’t the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in all my life, I really don’t know what is. Yet, there’s many intelligent people with important jobs and kids, that take that story as a fact."
- Joe Rogan
It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
Anyway read the verses before and after John 10:30 gaylasue they're one for caring for the sheep
25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will *bleep* them out of My hand. 29“My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to *bleep* them out of the Father’s hand. 30“I and the Father are one.”
31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;( John 10:25-37 KJV)
@manicamarketing: No one is denying Jesus is lord where just denying he's the God of gods and most high and almighty.
17 for Jehovah your God -- He is God of the gods, and Lord of the lords; God, the great, the mighty, and the fearful; who accepteth not persons, nor taketh a bribe;(Deuteronomy 10:17 Young's literal)
18 And they know that Thou -- (Thy name is Jehovah -- by Thyself,) Art the Most High over all the earth!(Psalms 83:18 Young's literal)
With all due respect you'll never find that Jesus is called God of gods or most high in the bible.
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It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
Religious myths are very much like Chuck Norris movies. If you have half a brain and think for a moment about the plausibility of the plot, you’ll never be able to enjoy it. Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark aren't history. They're ancient myths. Everything I quoted from you is massively wrong on so many levels. Educated people know this. If you respond to this, please take consideration on both the ludicrous stories and how reality actually works.
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1. Umm your first pic is false, I don't pray or bow down to statues.
2. The weather man(not saying Noah was) told you that a hurricane was coming is that a myth?
3. Every animal species was not in walking distance if it was it wouldn't have taken decades for him to do this.
4. Ok now the first half is true especially since Churchianity doesn't believe Jesus ever stopped living in ANY form, and they also telepathically(as you putit) talk to Jesus even though the scriptures never tell you to pray to him in fact Jesus tells you to pray to the father(Matthew 6:9). However there's zero evidence that the tree was magical so your assertion is false, So satan 1uped modern day ventrilogists(yeah I mispelled it) big deal. As for Eve being a rib woman(God 1uped cloning?) I rather believe that then a woman randomly becoming human from animals.
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2. The weather man(not saying Noah was) told you that a hurricane was coming is that a myth?
No. But if some dude told you he was 900 years old and the entire world was about to flood with 40 days of rainfall and that he built a massive boat to hold (only) 2 of every animal on earth and that all the evil people will be washed away and then your kids and all the animals will have to repopulate the earth via massive lines of incest...if you believed that guy...yikesssss. Shy a few bricks.
I wish I could find it, but I read an article stating that if that amount of rainfall would have poured onto the world in that short of a time, the carbon monoxide would kill everything (including Noah) way before people would have drowned.
3. Every animal species was not in walking distance if it was it wouldn't have taken decades for him to do this.
Dude...the story is bogus.
they also telepathically(as you putit) talk to Jesus even though the scriptures never tell you to pray to him in fact Jesus tells you to pray to the father(Matthew 6:9).
It's still telepathy.
However there's zero evidence that the tree was magical so your assertion is false, So satan 1uped modern day ventrilogists(yeah I mispelled it) big deal. As for Eve being a rib woman(God 1uped cloning?)
There's zero evidence of the story being true either. Ya got a mixed up chain of events of how the world was formed, a talking demon-snake, dirt man, rib woman, a god who has horrible reasoning skills, and an evil stupid trap. There's truckloads of magic in that story! Truckloads!
As for Eve being a rib woman(God 1uped cloning?) I rather believe that then a woman randomly becoming human from animals.
Humans ARE animals. :angry7:
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I'm just having fun posting funny pictures. There are dozens and dozens of them poking fun at such a silly subject.
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2. The weather man(not saying Noah was) told you that a hurricane was coming is that a myth?
No. But if some dude told you he was 900 years old and the entire world was about to flood with 40 days of rainfall and that he built a massive boat to hold (only) 2 of every animal on earth and that all the evil people will be washed away and then your kids and all the animals will have to repopulate the earth via massive lines of incest...if you believed that guy...yikesssss. Shy a few bricks.
I wish I could find it, but I read an article stating that if that amount of rainfall would have poured onto the world in that short of a time, the carbon monoxide would kill everything (including Noah) way before people would have drowned.
3. Every animal species was not in walking distance if it was it wouldn't have taken decades for him to do this.
Dude...the story is bogus.
they also telepathically(as you putit) talk to Jesus even though the scriptures never tell you to pray to him in fact Jesus tells you to pray to the father(Matthew 6:9).
It's still telepathy.
However there's zero evidence that the tree was magical so your assertion is false, So satan 1uped modern day ventrilogists(yeah I mispelled it) big deal. As for Eve being a rib woman(God 1uped cloning?)
There's zero evidence of the story being true either. Ya got a mixed up chain of events of how the world was formed, a talking demon-snake, dirt man, rib woman, a god who has horrible reasoning skills, and an evil stupid trap. There's truckloads of magic in that story! Truckloads!
As for Eve being a rib woman(God 1uped cloning?) I rather believe that then a woman randomly becoming human from animals.
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Humans ARE animals. :angry7:
1. Still beats random humans forming from animals at least I know my line.
2. Red herring I was commenting on the persons post about Noah getting every animal in walking distance not the validity of the account.
3. What's wrong with telepathy?
4. Talking demon snake got me there I don't have a reason to believe that other then the document says so. As for the first man being made from dirt why won't you believe we decompose into dirt? As for Eve it's called cloning when you take a part of a human being and make another human being we don't call conception cloning due to the amount of time it takes to bring the baby in the world and they not 100% like their paents etc.
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1. Still beats random humans forming from animals at least I know my line.
Evolution (especially human evolution) has been proven though. The fossil record is obviously incomplete (and technically it will always be incomplete in my book), but there's ample proof of it happening. Your line of thinking has been tossed out long long ago by the scientific community because it's mythology. This really comes down to one person believing the undeniable evidence and the other believing in a kid's fantasy story and trying to mix that story with the undeniable evidence.
2. Red herring I was commenting on the persons post about Noah getting every animal in walking distance not the validity of the account.
I must have misunderstood what you meant, but the story still stands as a bogus myth.
3. What's wrong with telepathy?
It's fake. And it's dispicable to go around saying that one has magic powers that others don't possess. One exclaiming they can talk to a deity might as well go join the ranks of other fakes like Uri Geller. Leave it in the realms of science fiction and fantasy (x-men, star wars, etc.)
. Talking demon snake got me there I don't have a reason to believe that other then the document says so. As for the first man being made from dirt why won't you believe we decompose into dirt? As for Eve it's called cloning when you take a part of a human being and make another human being we don't call conception cloning due to the amount of time it takes to bring the baby in the world and they not 100% like their paents etc.
Well with this reasoning I'm surprised that you don;t say babies come from farms because we grow them in the fields. You got this weird interpretation of the circle of life. And if the bible god used an entire rib to create Eve, he's a pretty crappy scientist considering all he should have needed was a few blood cells (if that). If I were a kind and loving god, I would have just done it with my magical powers-- asking absolutely nothing in return. That's what good and kind people do. But a rib? Wth? Seriously, a rib? And if the biblegod used Adam's blood to create Eve, ya got yerself some good ol-fashioned incest goin' on! HYUK! Toss all of this in with the talking snake and you got yourself another obvious myth. I'm surprised you're not seeing this from the get-go.
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I watched this movie last night. Very realistic look on Christianity.
This YouTube link unfortunately does not have the bonus extended interviews that were part of the DVD I downloaded.
The God Who Wasn't There
http://youtu.be/MFsmmMTMCHU
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It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
Religious myths are very much like Chuck Norris movies. If you have half a brain and think for a moment about the plausibility of the plot, you’ll never be able to enjoy it. Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark aren't history. They're ancient myths. Everything I quoted from you is massively wrong on so many levels. Educated people know this. If you respond to this, please take consideration on both the ludicrous stories and how reality actually works.
Too bad you don't use half the brain the Lord blessed you with. You seem to be possessed with something.
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It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
Religious myths are very much like Chuck Norris movies. If you have half a brain and think for a moment about the plausibility of the plot, you’ll never be able to enjoy it. Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark aren't history. They're ancient myths. Everything I quoted from you is massively wrong on so many levels. Educated people know this. If you respond to this, please take consideration on both the ludicrous stories and how reality actually works.
Too bad you don't use half the brain the Lord blessed you with. You seem to be possessed with something.
You happen to be insulting someone who is both extremely intelligent and very open to new ideas. Just because his ideas do NOT fit in with your's and he doesn't live his life waiting to die (so that he can go on to live in some fictitious world), you imply he is 'possessed'? If only you could grasp the fact that those of us who do not believe as you do are not evil, have compassion for all of mankind and not just fellow christians, and contribute great things to the society we all live in, you just might get your nose back into joint and make a plausible attempt at some common sense when it comes to questioning all the fantastical stories in your Bible.
You are another one on here that doesn't have the capability (like jcribb, shernajwine, and a few others) to carry on a conversation that just might be productive if you would get out of your 'biblical box thinking'. This is the type of holier-than-thou, full of holes thinking that leads nowhere. You cut people off just because they don't follow your god. I have read 99% of everything (from a religious point of view) you have posted here at FC and to listen to you, it seems as if all the other world religions who do not believe in Christ are doomed and beneath you. That is plain old dyed in the wool BS. Atheists and agnostics do not have "hate for their ancestors history". We just happen to look at the actual ancestors we do have ie real people.
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lol thank you very much, Jdog. But I know for a fact that there isn't a spot for any reasoning with this one. I mean she thinks I'm possessed and that her god cured her brain abnormality. Need I say more? And now she tries to offend people that take her beliefs on just like any good christian would do. ::) So the best thing to do is just take pity- let sleeping dogs lie and go with the comedic flow they're naively introducing.
Too bad you don't use half the brain the Lord blessed you with. You seem to be possessed with something.
Oh yes. I have them all, christ-like figure. I'm possessed by spirits, ghosts, djinns, and demons and...uhhh....Ooga booga BOOOO!
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs44/i/2009/122/1/0/Crazy_Dumb_Ghost_by_DanStudio.gif)
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AHEMM.......
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AHEMM.....
What? You're evil too? I'm possessed by evil demons, man! Gaylasue is like the supernatural Sherlock Holmes! Get the holy water and phone book! We're gonna need an exorcist!
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respectfully disagree. The Bible is God's Word written by men God chose to deliver His Word on paper (probably more like scrolls back then). What happened is an accurate recording of history as it happened. I would love to be able to go to Israel and other countries and see the remains of buildings, archaeology digs, and places marked that back the history of His Word.
"It truly boggles my mind that a big percentage of people in the year 2001 in the U.S. of A., one of, if not the most socially advanced country in the world, believe in a goofy book that was written by people that lived thousands of years ago. It really just completely freaks me out when I think about it. They lived in a time when the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe. They wrote a book, said it was the word of God, and two thousand years later people are still buying their bull.
That is one incredible human accomplishment.
The fact that a book filled with stories too dumb to make it into an episode of Xena Princess Warrior continues to be used as the guide for human behavior after all this time is truly mind boggling.
We as a society, if we are going to accept the concepts of organized religion realize that we must put aside normal, natural, human skepticism and questioning in order for ANY of it to make ANY sense whatsoever. Now how did they cover their *bleep* on that one? How do they get you to NOT think, and NOT question? They get you with one simple word: FAITH.
Now if that ain’t a hoot and a half, I don’t know what is. They actually got rational, intelligent people to put aside THINKING and LOGIC just by saying you have to have faith.
And silly as it is, people bought it, and continue to buy it, hook line and sinker. The fact that these stories take in SO many people is what’s really disturbing to me. Simple, dumb, ridiculous stories that only a little kid should be able to believe.
Like Noah and the Ark, for instance.
Now, please… with any knowledge of science whatsoever and a grade school grasp of the food chain, how the hell could you buy into that one? If you put 2 of each animal on a boat for 40 days, all you would have at the end is a couple stuffed crocodiles and a few nervous hippos and rhinos. Animals EAT other animals.
And even if they did put off eating for 40 days, what the hell are they going to eat when they get off the boat?
It’s such a simple puzzle that it’s actually quite confusing to me that people still believe it. It was designed to trick the people of 2,000 years ago, and yet today with all of our science and wisdom it’s still accepted by a frightening number of people.
Want even dumber? How about Adam and Eve.
Two people were created by God, these two people screwed, and their kids screwed each other, and that’s where we came from. Life was supposed to be perfect, pure and holy, but then that Eve chick went and ate the fruit that God said not to eat, so now we’re screwed up forever.
Now, if that isn’t the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard in all my life, I really don’t know what is. Yet, there’s many intelligent people with important jobs and kids, that take that story as a fact."
- Joe Rogan
Your resource makes good points. And even I admit at times that those things that happened back then are hard to understand. All I know, is that deep down, I believe the Bible is God's Word, that the Bible is perfect, that I have chosen to be a child of God through faith, and that one day God Himself, will explain and clarify a lot of questions that I have, as well as other Christians I know that have questions, too.
That being said, it's not for me to ridicule anyone, or try and intimidate others into believing as I do. I can present what I believe but I also believe that I should have the courtesy to listen to opposite viewpoints, too. We may not agree with what or who we believe in, and that's fine! I take some of the opposite viewpoints and delve into them as a challenge to find answers to them. Some I agree with and some I don't. If anything, it helps me to research more deeply into my beliefs, why I believe in a God that some people question or try to disprove, and to be able to see both sides of the coin, so-to-speak!
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lol thank you very much, Jdog. But I know for a fact that there isn't a spot for any reasoning with this one. I mean she thinks I'm possessed and that her god cured her brain abnormality. Need I say more? And now she tries to offend people that take her beliefs on just like any good christian would do. So the best thing to do is just take pity- let sleeping dogs lie and go with the comedic flow they're naively introducing.
You're welcome and yes, I DO realize she is not capable of reasoning. That just hit me wrong. I also saw the 'curing of the brain' and had a whole reply typed out as to wasting 9+ years of my life to go into medicine to treat people like her when in reality (according to Garp and gaylasue ;D), I did none of the grueling work, God did - and just 'gave' it to me. Pfftt... :P
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It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
I have ancestors that owned slaves. I believe wholeheartedly that they were ignorant on that aspect. Is this wrong?
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It freaks me out at how much hatred atheists have for their ancestors history. They hate their ancestors so much that they regard their history as uneducated and fake.
I have ancestors that owned slaves. I believe wholeheartedly that they were ignorant on that aspect. Is this wrong?
Atheists are not ignorant when it comes to that believe me, it's one of their favorite arguments alongside incest.
3. What's wrong with telepathy?
It's fake. And it's dispicable to go around saying that one has magic powers that others don't possess. One exclaiming they can talk to a deity might as well go join the ranks of other fakes like Uri Geller. Leave it in the realms of science fiction and fantasy (x-men, star wars, etc.) Quote from Falconor
I heard that your precious science is making this possible via machines.
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I heard that your precious science is making this possible via machines.
Machines that communicate with gods? Not that I'm aware of. You mean people? I haven't heard of any "Cerebro" machine being built. And if I may point out-- my "precious science" is allowing you to make such sarcastic remarks on this forum! Score another point for science! lol
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I heard that your precious science is making this possible via machines.
Machines that communicate with gods? Not that I'm aware of. You mean people? I haven't heard of any "Cerebro" machine being built. And if I may point out-- my "precious science" is allowing you to make such sarcastic remarks on this forum! Score another point for science! lol
Not sarcasm you machines are able to help people move stuff with their mind and that's fact. Although this more towards telekinesis then telepathy I guess...
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Not sarcasm you machines are able to help people move stuff with their mind and that's fact. Although this more towards telekinesis then telepathy I guess..
I dont just look at a machine and "think my will" into it. It wont start moving or working unless I have physical contact with it at one point or another and I tell it what to do prior to it doing it's job. I don't see why you're trying to blur the line between reality and fantasy. Telekinesis = Jedi. Telepathy = Professor X. Neither of those equal reailty. That'd be cool if we ever reach a point where we're intelligent enough to do that, but until we evolve into that type of being or technology or something, it's sci-fi/fantasy.
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Not sarcasm you machines are able to help people move stuff with their mind and that's fact. Although this more towards telekinesis then telepathy I guess..
I dont just look at a machine and "think my will" into it. It wont start moving or working unless I have physical contact with it at one point or another and I tell it what to do prior to it doing it's job. I don't see why you're trying to blur the line between reality and fantasy. Telekinesis = Jedi. Telepathy = Professor X. Neither of those equal reailty. That'd be cool if we ever reach a point where we're intelligent enough to do that, but until we evolve into that type of being or technology or something, it's sci-fi/fantasy.
http://gajitz.com/mind-games-four-games-you-control-with-your-brain/
Videogames today, in the future real-life?
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Videogames today, in the future real-life
You don't understand. There's a big machine there that does the work for you.
Telekinesis/psychokinesis - The supposed ability to move objects at a distance by nonphysical means
- a term coined by publisher Henry Hold to refer to the direct influence of mind on a physical system that cannot be entirely accounted for by the mediation of any known physical energy (i.e. moving objects with the mind). Examples of psychokinesis could include distorting or moving an object, and influencing the output of a random number generator.
I like how we're talking about so much science fiction, fantasy, and goofy entertainment in a christian thread. I think it's really proving a point.
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what in the hell did this question turn into sheeesh
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that is very funny most of you people are not even real christians anyway they need to shut up.
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that is very funny most of you people are not even real christians anyway they need to shut up.
Please give us the definition of a "real" Xtian, Mikey.
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Jesus is not a god he is The God. In scripture he says "I am God and besides me there is no other god." Notice the capital G and the small g. When the capital G is used it always refers to Jesus Christ.
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Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
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Jesus Christ, the Almighty is God for millions of us and it brings be great joy to know that I am in the Almighty's hands...
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The Bible= Astrotheological Literary Hybrid
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CHRIST is ony a title not a name and it means "The Anointed" look it up
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I must go so that the comforter can come, because when He comes you will do greater things than I.
I can do all things through Christ to strengthens me.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added to you without the asking.
Jesus said in Mathew 24 that He will return lastly after all men have heard of Him, and believe me the world is just about covered by missionaries who have gone out.
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the end of gods time will be in 2149 with the beginning of the Age of Aquarius 2150, that's why he said "I'll be with you to the end of time" which is the Pisces or the fish and that ends with the year 2149, if you don't believe me look it up. that's how I found out the there is no GOD go to youtube and look up "the greatest story never told"
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I believe the Almighty is God and Jesus is the Almighty so Jesus is God! :thumbsup:
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there is NO GOD, there never was A GOD and there will never be A GOD so get over yourselves.
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there is NO GOD, there never was A GOD and there will never be A GOD so get over yourselves.
Actually,there IS a God,there always has been a God and there will always be a God.So you skeptics get over yourselves. ;D
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Actually,there IS a God,there always has been a God and there will always be a God.So you skeptics get over yourselves.
YES! You are RIGHT!
ALL HAIL CTHULHU!
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Jesus is God.
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Jesus is God.
Jesus Ramirez, the guy who cuts the neighbor's lawn is god? Wow, they may consider paying him more if they only knew.