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For those who have some extra time, here is a video for free thinkers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7xfhOt0LQ&feature=related
It lasts 10 minutes and 21 seconds.
Enjoy!
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i think this was really interesting and Kent Hovind is a really good speaker! he probably would have made a much better debate opponent than Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in the nightline face off that queen posted the other day! thanks for posting rw :)
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i think this was really interesting and Kent Hovind is a really good speaker! he probably would have made a much better debate opponent than Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in the nightline face off that queen posted the other day! thanks for posting rw :)
Oh, I agree. This first video only presents the first few reasons of the hundred, but it serves as a good introduction.
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yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now 8)
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Extraordinarily intelligent man with a Bachelor's Degree in religious studies from a non-accredited college. Must have also been a strenuous process getting his "Ph.D" from the non-accredited Patriot Bible University. A known diploma mill that:
allows students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.
I bet his doctoral dissertation was magnificent in its almighty incompleteness:
Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.
He's probably doing a lot of heavy "thinking" sitting in his jail cell for his 58 federal counts of tax evasion and smurfing.
The guy's a grade A nut:
As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), HIV, West Nile virus, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination. Hovind believes "Satan has been using the great pyramid as his symbol for the New World Order." He believes government secretly plotting to implant an "electronic ID" microchip in the body of every US citizen, which is the Mark of the Beast. The aim, he believes, is to put "a chip into each of the major muscles and network them together so that a paralyzed person would be able to get some movement from their muscles" so that there "is going to be a system where you cannot buy or sell without the mark in the hands or in the forehead." Yet, the mechanisms and history of such a project do not withstand scientific and historical scrutiny.
Regarding barcodes and the security strip on money, Hovind stated they are tied to a government plot in which barcodes and the "magnetic tape through the center of the paper" money "is of the same type that is on the back of your credit card" for tracking money and people. Thus, the government "want to be able to track the money and find out where it goes."
Can you read that without laughing? And you still think this guy is worth listening to, especially on a topic of science? He's talks more nonsensical craziness than Glenn Beck, and that's a lot. He has zero scientific credentials. He can't even get creationists on his side (do you know how easy that is?)...creationist organizations despise what Hovind does and have made it openly known they believe his gimmicks undermine their goals.
But ignoring all this, he seems like a pretty credible, educated guy. I'm sure his hard-earned degrees on religious studies from non-accredited diploma mills educated him well in the fields of science.
You post a video of Kent Hovind and you want me to believe you're not flamebaiting? haha
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Extraordinarily intelligent man with a Bachelor's Degree in religious studies from a non-accredited college. Must have also been a strenuous process getting his "Ph.D" from the non-accredited Patriot Bible University. A known diploma mill that:
allows students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.
I bet his doctoral dissertation was magnificent in its almighty incompleteness:
Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.
He's probably doing a lot of heavy "thinking" sitting in his jail cell for his 58 federal counts of tax evasion and smurfing.
The guy's a grade A nut:
As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), HIV, West Nile virus, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination. Hovind believes "Satan has been using the great pyramid as his symbol for the New World Order." He believes government secretly plotting to implant an "electronic ID" microchip in the body of every US citizen, which is the Mark of the Beast. The aim, he believes, is to put "a chip into each of the major muscles and network them together so that a paralyzed person would be able to get some movement from their muscles" so that there "is going to be a system where you cannot buy or sell without the mark in the hands or in the forehead." Yet, the mechanisms and history of such a project do not withstand scientific and historical scrutiny.
Regarding barcodes and the security strip on money, Hovind stated they are tied to a government plot in which barcodes and the "magnetic tape through the center of the paper" money "is of the same type that is on the back of your credit card" for tracking money and people. Thus, the government "want to be able to track the money and find out where it goes."
Can you read that without laughing? And you still think this guy is worth listening to, especially on a topic of science? He's talks more nonsensical craziness than Glenn Beck, and that's a lot. He has zero scientific credentials. He can't even get creationists on his side (do you know how easy that is?)...creationist organizations despise what Hovind does and have made it openly known they believe his gimmicks undermine their goals.
But ignoring all this, he seems like a pretty credible, educated guy. I'm sure his hard-earned degrees on religious studies from non-accredited diploma mills educated him well in the fields of science.
You post a video of Kent Hovind and you want me to believe you're not flamebaiting? haha
I will investigate your claims to see if they are true or mere proppganda. If I find that this is a pack of lies, then our conversation will be over. Why waste ones time with those who are untrustworthy. It is one thing to disagree with your opponent, it is quite another to lie. Have a great day!
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yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now 8)
:( :( :( See, RW, this is what I was talking about. You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.
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yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now 8)
:( :( :( See, RW, this is what I was talking about. You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.
I would say there are points that I disagree with Mr Hovind, but generally speaking, he has many solid arguments. I would say I disagree with his conspiracy theories as well. I also disagree with how he has conducted his personal life. However, on the last note, I would probably disagree with the personal lives of many people here. You see, truth is truth, even if an insane man speaks it. If an insane person tells a child that beef comes from a cow, does that invalidate the truth of the statement? No!
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Irrelevant. Anything non-potato related ever said or done in Idaho doesn't count.
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yes, the first video was too good to pass on watching the rest in the series! i'm watching them now 8)
:( :( :( See, RW, this is what I was talking about. You've baited this poor, good woman with your insane thread topic and muddied her mind by getting her to watch a video series made by a proven fool.
I would say there are points that I disagree with Mr Hovind, but generally speaking, he has many solid arguments. I would say I disagree with his conspiracy theories as well. I also disagree with how he has conducted his personal life. However, on the last note, I would probably disagree with the personal lives of many people here. You see, truth is truth, even if an insane man speaks it. If an insane person tells a child that beef comes from a cow, does that invalidate the truth of the statement? No!
Except he doesn't speak the truth, because he wouldn't know where to start. And I'm quite certain there are multiple video responses on Youtube that take this video apart piece by piece and explain its faults (don't recall if it's these videos or others from Hovind). If not, there are countless websites and books that do. A high school biology book would do him well, to be honest.
If he wants to yap about the Bible, cool; he has somewhat of a degree in that (emphasis on somewhat). If he wants to critique a scientific theory backed by dozens upon dozens of the most intelligent, educated, informed biologists to walk the planet, he better damn well have the credentials to back it up. But he doesn't...he has years of breaking laws and taking millions of dollars of people's money to hear bogus lectures.
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*sniff* *sniff*
Yeah. Definately flamebait.
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"Today the theory of evolution is about as much open to doubt as the theory that the earth goes round the sun." - Richard Dawkins, zoologist and evolutionary biologist
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky, geneticist and evolutionary biologist
"Evolution is thrilling, liberating, and correct." - Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist and evolutionary biologist
"We are the product of 4.5 billion years of fortuitous, slow biological evolution." - Carl Sagan, astronomer and astrochemist
and the clincher...
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority." - James D. Watson, molecular biologist
Now let's sit back and watch rwdeese scream, "Argument from authority!" Damn right...these people know their stuff.
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rwdeese: Enjoyed the video, evolution was stupid when it was taught in school...even more stupid today. Kent Hovind is and excellent speaker regardless of his educational credentials & personal history ( if anyone doesn't think so then they should be showing some actual proof that what he was teaching is, in fact, wrong...otherwise :-X). ps: regardless of "not pompous" vs. "pompous"... I think if God tried all these FC forum posts by fire, yours would be the ones that remain unscorched. Blessings!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ZXu&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=theory+of+evolution&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WEF&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=sUE9TODvCMK88gbMs-2oBg&ved=0CBUQBSgA&q=big+bang+theory+scientific&spell=1
The facts are there and they're backed by countless of the world's most intelligent mathematicians, physicists, paleontologists, archaeologists, biologists, anthropologists, geologists, etc. etc. I'm expected to take the word of a man with, let's call them what they are, laughably fake college degrees in a field that has absolutely nothing to do with scientific study over people who have made it their life goal and career to research and reason with these theories? I'm supposed to take the word of a guy whose best argument against the Big Bang Theory is "it's just stupid" when it's backed by decades of mathematical and physical evidence along with the rest of the strong theoretical reasoning?
I don't have the patience to do a line-by-line critique of all the faults he made in these videos. I know others on Youtube have critiqued some of his lectures line by line. I can't waste my time arguing with a man who's sitting in jail. The information is at the fingertips of anyone who wants to see it, and you don't have to go too in-depth into either theory to see Hovind spread blatant misinformation...he cracks apart at the very basic details (saying the Theory of Evolution proposes life arose from a rock, for one small example).
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The dude isn't sitting in jail because what he was teaching was wrong (well not in a direct way), I don't know what his situation is but he may be in jail (in a indirect way) for what he was teaching.
No, what he "teaches" is wrong because even the most basic of facts, backed by libraries of observational, reasonable evidence, disagree with him.
He's in jail because, let's be honest again, he scammed people out of their money and then knowingly evaded tax laws on the basis that "everything he owns belongs to God," so he doesn't have to pay taxes. Humorous to say the least.
It's a common thing for someone to start teaching Bible based facts, outrage others, and then have a group decide this person needs to be stopped by any means possible ...which then brings accusations to surface (sometimes true, many times fabricated), death threats, etc. (It seems that if a Christian begins preaching/teaching a message that is Bible based and not designed to just please the masses...it's never long before the "investigations" begin, the criticism, the accusations of fraud & scandal, etc. I realize noone is perfect, and some "leaders" have really screwed up but I find it difficult to believe that there can be such a high number. It does seem something "fishy" is going on. It's also "funny" that preachers that just preach to please the masses (those that aren't actually accomplishing anything) are never questioned.
There is no conspiracy to put him in jail, which is what it seems you're implying may be the case. He has openly admitted to the accusations, dubbing himself a "tax protester." He has tried every loophole in the book to get around taxation on his "earnings," because he is greedy and deluded. He got caught, tough luck. Break the law, do the time.
Scientists that believe the Bible: http://earnestlycontending.com/?p=383 (http://earnestlycontending.com/?p=383)
http://www.icr.org/article/bible-believing-scientists-past/ (http://www.icr.org/article/bible-believing-scientists-past/)
List of 100 Bible believing scientists: http://unmaskingevolution.com/29-100_scientists.htm (http://unmaskingevolution.com/29-100_scientists.htm) These too are considered to be among the world's most intelligent mathematicians, physicists, paleontologists, archaeologists, biologists, anthropologists, geologists. They too made it their life goal and career to research.
The first two lists consist of almost nothing but scientists from the 1800s and prior (at a glance, I think there's 4-5 that lived into the early 1900s). Darwin's account of evolution by natural selection was not even made formal until 1859, and it took decades, up to the 1930s through the 1950s, for the proposal to be combined with other solidifying discoveries -- the importance of Mendel's work was not discovered and put in context until the early 20th century, the modern structure of DNA and its relation to RNA and protein synthesis wasn't formally proposed until 1952, for examples. Modern evolutionary theory has only been around for 60-70 years...of course the guy doing alchemy in 1615 wouldn't care about it. Even those in the 1800s who showed opposition to the proposals did so on the basis of an extremely tiny piece of the big picture, which has been continuously unveiled over the recent decades.
Scientists were religious then, because there was hardly a legitimate alternative. The evidence supporting modern science in this field simply wasn't there; hell, many of the proposals weren't even in place yet or their importance was overlooked until the early/mid-1900s when biology became a legitimate field of science and scientists began fitting the pieces of numerous discoveries together. Never mind the stronghold the Church had over society throughout much of that time -- no desire to even get into that. .
The third list has more modern scientists. I have never claimed science doesn't have theists working within it -- they are individuals capable of separating their religion from their work. They very, very rarely come out and openly state a scientific theory is plain false and they rarely set out to prove their religious beliefs with their scientific research. They may critique or criticize, which is to be expected as that is what science is about. They're, more often than not, scientists when they walk into the lab and theists when they walk out. No big deal.
Atheist or theist is irrelevant to me on this discussion -- good science is good science. Good science backed by extraordinary credentials is even better. Good science backed by huge numbers of people with extraordinary credentials is even better than that. Hovind lacks in all these categories. His understanding of even the basics of the scientific topics he lectures about is terribly bad and his credentials are worse. He's a crock out to get people's money. Sadly he was largely successful, raking in millions of dollars over the years between his lectures and his theme park, and will probably be successful upon his sentence ending.
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Scientists were religious then, because there was hardly a legitimate alternative.
Yep. This is also why the Big Bang and evolution aren't mentioned in the Bible...it's because the people of that time who wrote about creation had no concept of these things. A Christian today HAS to believe in a Young Earth for their religion not to completely fall apart; otherwise there are no first humans to commit original sin.
What god would have to be like to be "in harmony" with science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EVMzVQKTk&playnext_from=TL&videos=Rxyv3pY6sY8 (The Bible Revisited: Genesis 2.0)
Top Ten Creationist Arguments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8&playnext_from=TL&videos=qE7QKdTglfk (two parts)
High Stakes Intelligent Designing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_G9awnDCmg&playnext_from=TL&videos=Icy1wl2kMoc
God's Cool Designs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcrq5OOkQdk&playnext_from=TL&videos=-2jsKyjVPMs
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Irrelevant. Anything non-potato related ever said or done in Idaho doesn't count.
Cavalier Dismissal - sarcastic form
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Except he doesn't speak the truth, because he wouldn't know where to start.
Your declaration does not make it so.
And I'm quite certain there are multiple video responses on Youtube that take this video apart piece by piece and explain its faults (don't recall if it's these videos or others from Hovind). If not, there are countless websites and books that do. A high school biology book would do him well, to be honest.
1. Actually, only some of his arguments can be taken apart.
2. You are not contending that all High School biology books are totally correct, are you?
If he wants to yap about the Bible, cool; he has somewhat of a degree in that (emphasis on somewhat). If he wants to critique a scientific theory backed by dozens upon dozens of the most intelligent, educated, informed biologists to walk the planet, he better damn well have the credentials to back it up. But he doesn't...he has years of breaking laws and taking millions of dollars of people's money to hear bogus lectures.
This is really a fallacy of logic. Truth isn't established by credentialed people any more than lies are established by those who have no credentials. I know that you really believe that all scientists are god-like and without error as a community. Most Germans, during world war two, thought they were right by virtual of majority thought as well. I know you really do think that this kind of thinking proves something, but it really only demonstrates that analytical is unimportant. Criticize the points specifically, it will help your own credibility. I disagree with your overall theory, does not mean I believe that everything you say is erroneous. Just because I disagree with evolutionary theory, this does not mean I disagree with every point that one who claims evolution supports. I hope we can eeper that this response demonstrates!
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"Today the theory of evolution is about as much open to doubt as the theory that the earth goes round the sun." - Richard Dawkins, zoologist and evolutionary biologist
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky, geneticist and evolutionary biologist
"Evolution is thrilling, liberating, and correct." - Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist and evolutionary biologist
"We are the product of 4.5 billion years of fortuitous, slow biological evolution." - Carl Sagan, astronomer and astrochemist
and the clincher...
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority." - James D. Watson, molecular biologist
Now let's sit back and watch rwdeese scream, "Argument from authority!" Damn right...these people know their stuff.
We should retitle this post "When men become Gods!" Wow! This is profound evidence of the faith thesis I have already mentioned. Have scientists become our Gods? Pcould set up a government ran by these guys! We could call it a "Scientocracy," and let the scientists decide what is ethical and what our public polices whould be. Hey, we could make one of them the high priest/ess. Next, you will try to convince me that no evolutionist was ever caught in a hoax, lie or fraud either - good grief! This post p you ever will know concerning my own theses about philosophy and faith being the real basis of atheism!
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We should retitle this post "When men become Gods!" Wow! This is profound evidence of the faith thesis I have already mentioned.
Most Germans, during world war two, thought they were right by virtual of majority thought as well.
Pcould set up a government ran by these guys! We could call it a "Scientocracy," and let the scientists decide what is ethical and what our public polices whould be. Hey, we could make one of them the high priest/ess.
Extreme overgeneralization.
Godwin's Law.
Flamebait x 10,000,000
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How it happened? He set it up lol...he's a scam artist, and unfortunately for him, got caught.
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How it happened? He set it up lol...he's a scam artist, and unfortunately for him, got caught.
Well, I don't know him, what he did exactly or what he was thinking but I can say I know someone that was well respected in a good Bible-based church for several years. His job was a financial advisor and he ended up scamming alot of the church's members ALOT of money. People knew him, trusted him, liked him so they gave him alot more than they would have given someone they didn't know. He even had people's retirement money (they thought it had been invested and would grow for them over the years, now they have nothing). He's in jail, noone knows what happened to all that money there was never any evidence that he spent it. I guess if someone like that could develop a "greed" issue, others (Christians) can too. It's sad.
It is sad. The sinful nature is a very profound mechanism! (oops! I forgot - everyone is born good...lol)
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(oops! I forgot - everyone is born good...lol)
Every individual born has a clean slate.
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I guess this is good a place as any to post this:
Has anyone read Lee Strobel's books or seen his DVD's? "The Case For a Creator", The Case For Christ". and "The Case For Faith".
He was the Editor of the Chicago Tribune (he may still be). He holds a BA in Journalism from the University of Missouri, and also a Master of Studies Law Degree from Yale.
This man was a CONFIRMED ATHEIST. His wife became a Christian, and he was going to divorce her, and prove that she had been deluded and brain washed. He devoted himself to research to "prove" that there was no Creator. He interviewed some of the best Scientists (PHD's) of our time. He poured himself into research to debunk the creation theory. What he found out (scientifically), that Science actually reveals a Creator. His words.
I've only seen the first one ,"The Case For a Creator", and it leaves no doubt to the existence of a Creator, and the falsehood of the Evolution Theory I'm going to get the others soon to watch. Does anybody have them?
RW, you have keen wisdom and intellect.
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Lee Strobel's work/words have been mentioned and used many times throughout different threads here, Annella.
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Okay, I haven't had the time to read all the threads. It seemed worth mentioning on this subject of evolution.
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Okay, I haven't had the time to read all the threads. It seemed worth mentioning on this subject of evolution.
Off topic here, but that is precisely why it might be a good idea for you to stay out of another discussion here simply because you have NO idea what the person has done or what anyone is talking about.
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One thing I should state for all sides is that the religious sides will always fight to keep their beliefs and faith standing no matter what other sides may throw at it. Is this a good thing? For them, sure. And in a few cases it is for everyone. But this type of reasoning ability stems back all the way to childhood. The unwllingness to shed ones own beliefs and see the other side of the argument could easily be related to the idea of santa clause. Personally I was fortunate to know from the get-go that it was fake. But when I introduced the truth to a believer, of course they always fought back. Because this rocks their foundation and they want to believe because it makes them feel good. They don't want to give up what has been reinforced in their heads even though the idea is ludicrous and has absolutely no proof. If skepticism was thrown their way, they'd work around it to make it true ("reindeer don't fly" "but these are magic reindeer! And since you've never seen one, you can't deny it!"). I noticed as the grades progressed with my classmates, more and more people figured it was fake. Obviously due to maturity and reasoning ability (or a person telling them that has these traits). Granted there is no major harm in believing in santa clause, but there is in religion due to the dangerous, questionable, and enslaved philosophies they come with (not all, but many are).
Anyways, on the other side of the fence, methods of science are not foolproof. But they are indefinately perfectable. There is a tradition of criticism that enforces improvement whenever and wherever flaws are discovered. Unlike many religious beliefs, nothing is off limits to investigation or questioning. The major problem of this is the 'not foolproof' variable is used by those who are suspicious of science as their grounds for denying it as a privileged status in the truth-seeking department-- as if the religions and practices they align themselves with are better off in these regards (sound familar, rw? lol).
But where are the examples of religions abandoning old ways of thinking in regards to irresistable evidence? Time and time again in science you'll see yesterday's heresies becoming today's new orthodoxies. No religion exhibits that pattern in it's history.
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jordandog, I know whats going on in this thread. My post only stated I had not read All the threads pertaining to Lee Strobel's words/teaching. You got hostile about that?
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Okay, I've read some of your posts and know why you slammed me. I will post wherever I feel like it. It's called free speech. I thought the topic was Evolution is Stupid? Oh look, it is! How silly of me to post an non evolution DVD in this thread......slaps head.....what was I thinking? :thumbsup:
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I thought the topic was Evolution is Stupid? Oh look, it is!
I'd say you don't know much on the subject, do you?
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This man was a CONFIRMED ATHEIST.
And Hitler was a Catholic. What does that tell you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Just because someone is smart - a firm atheist even - does not mean they are 100% protected from following prey to the emotional snares of religion.
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Okay, I've read some of your posts and know why you slammed me. I will post wherever I feel like it. It's called free speech. I thought the topic was Evolution is Stupid? Oh look, it is! How silly of me to post an non evolution DVD in this thread......slaps head.....what was I thinking? :thumbsup:
No, Annella, it had nothing to do with your words re Lee Strobel in this thread. I was referring to your defense of marieelissa. You have been here for less than a month and don't know the history of any of it, period. You stated you had not read all the threads and I brought the other up because you really do not know the entire story. I wasn't 'slamming you', sorry if it seemed that way. Once again, my apologies for taking this thread off topic.
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Took me today to put you 3 together (QON, jordandog, falconor02). Sorry, your wasting your time here. I won't be baited.
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I won't be baited.
Well, hey. Whatever you think, that's okay. But, if you feel like having an intelligent conversation free from old superstitions, you can join on in anytime. :)
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Took me today to put you 3 together (QON, jordandog, falconor02). Sorry, your wasting your time here. I won't be baited.
What happened.....did I jump ship or get forced to walk the plank????
She'll be calling us all a posse next ::)
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Took me today to put you 3 together (QON, jordandog, falconor02). Sorry, your wasting your time here. I won't be baited.
What happened.....did I jump ship or get forced to walk the plank????
She'll be calling us all a posse next ::)
No, walksalone, that comment was written before YOU had challenged her on anything. By the way, any of you know where I tied my horse up? ;)
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Yes, Evolution is Stupid. I didn't come from no ape. Thats all I'm going to post.
Lawlolawlolololawlol u no nuthin on da subject lawlololawlaoalwlolol
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Yes, Evolution is Stupid. I didn't come from no ape. Thats all I'm going to post.
Lawlolawlolololawlol u no nuthin on da subject lawlololawlaoalwlolol
Ha ha ha! How the h*ll do you know what I know? Quit attacking people for no reason. Get a life.
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Ha ha ha! How the h*ll do you know what I know? Quit attacking people for no reason. Get a life.
FYI- Saying we came from apes is pretty much a sure-fire method of showing that someone does not know anything on the subject. It's like saying "Math is stupid! 5+2 does not equal 7!"
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Really...our ancestors weren't apes? You really want to argue that?
They weren't. This is elementary evolution, people. Evolution does not state we came from apes. :angry7: geez...