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Title: This is why there is a God
Post by: marieelissa on September 13, 2010, 03:26:54 pm
I mean come on, there is no way in hell, this could happen....by chance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311461/A-tabby-marks-spelling.html

This cat has cat written on its fur...  :notworthy:

(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/elissa_028/article-1311461-0B2867C8000005DC-625_966x717.jpg)
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 13, 2010, 03:37:22 pm
To be honest with you that can be done with peroxide.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 13, 2010, 03:46:07 pm
Any one can come up with a story. They dont show any picts of the kitten when it was younger either to show that it was there from birth. Sorry I just dont believe everything I see or read.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 13, 2010, 05:38:11 pm
I am not doubting your believes.

Peroxide does indeed bleach out n animals fur that is what we use on them to get the skunk smell out of them when they play with skunks. Animals fur is different than human hair.

And I also never said they did that just that I had doubts as to whether or not it was a natural effect.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: shernajwine on September 13, 2010, 05:42:23 pm
Well I wouldn't use that pic as ultimate proof for God but if that kitty was born that way it's pretty cool!  :)
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: bigedshult on September 13, 2010, 07:34:49 pm
he is your farther of your sprit that make u his son or daughter .u are a baby God wright now .that is why u are hear!
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: tzs on September 13, 2010, 08:35:47 pm
More Pictures


(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/elissa_028/article-1311461-0B1C4DCA000005DC-251_966x476.jpg)


(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/elissa_028/article-1311461-0B1C475B000005DC-66_474x443.jpg)
You know, as much as you use that computer, you should know that pretty much any picture can be altered with a paint or photoshop program!!-Don't be so nieve!!!!!
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Alyia72 on September 13, 2010, 11:10:45 pm
More Pictures


(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/elissa_028/article-1311461-0B1C4DCA000005DC-251_966x476.jpg)


(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae148/elissa_028/article-1311461-0B1C475B000005DC-66_474x443.jpg)
You know, as much as you use that computer, you should know that pretty much any picture can be altered with a paint or photoshop program!!-Don't be so nieve!!!!!
Kinda like this  :) Not discounting that there is a god just supporting the altered theory(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8021/80204681.jpg) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/80204681.jpg/)
 Or a better example : (http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6812/godhand.jpg) (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/godhand.jpg/)

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Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: queenofnines on September 14, 2010, 06:52:13 am
Haha...I think it's funny you post this, and then immediately get 3 people posting their skepticism!   ;D

Even IF the cat was born that way, anyone with a basic knowledge of science knows that our brains are built to see PATTERNS and FACES, even in ordinary objects.  It doesn't mean there is a god, it just means you have a somewhat functional brain.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 03:14:15 pm
Haha...I think it's funny you post this, and then immediately get 3 people posting their skepticism!   ;D

Even IF the cat was born that way, anyone with a basic knowledge of science knows that our brains are built to see PATTERNS and FACES, even in ordinary objects.  It doesn't mean there is a god, it just means you have a somewhat functional brain.

lol there are just so many things that can be altered in too many ways now a days. I have a hard time believing what I see and hear thru picts TV and net.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: ljNana on September 14, 2010, 03:34:22 pm
I am amazed at cats anyway and birds and butterflies.  How could you think God didn't do that.  Have you ever looked close up at a butterfly-how beautiful the markings.  OR a cat-how beautiful the markings? Don't you find it amazing how animals and insects have defense mechanisms.  Have you ever seen a spider take his giant web down every morning and build it back at night all summer?  Aren't you simply amazed at the fact that someone wants a baby so bad and doctors alll say it's not possible and a few months later they're pregnant.  And then you watch that precious miracle grow day by day (all babies) and see how soon and young he watches and learns so much.
I can only see God when I see any of these things and so much more.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 03:54:22 pm
Haha...I think it's funny you post this, and then immediately get 3 people posting their skepticism!   ;D

Even IF the cat was born that way, anyone with a basic knowledge of science knows that our brains are built to see PATTERNS and FACES, even in ordinary objects.  It doesn't mean there is a god, it just means you have a somewhat functional brain.

lol there are just so many things that can be altered in too many ways now a days. I have a hard time believing what I see and hear thru picts TV and net.

Do you believe in God?

I am Pagan since you do know so much about it.

I am amazed at cats anyway and birds and butterflies.  How could you think God didn't do that.  Have you ever looked close up at a butterfly-how beautiful the markings.  OR a cat-how beautiful the markings? Don't you find it amazing how animals and insects have defense mechanisms.  Have you ever seen a spider take his giant web down every morning and build it back at night all summer?  Aren't you simply amazed at the fact that someone wants a baby so bad and doctors alll say it's not possible and a few months later they're pregnant.  And then you watch that precious miracle grow day by day (all babies) and see how soon and young he watches and learns so much.
I can only see God when I see any of these things and so much more.


I believe in all kinds of things. What I had said was basically that thru technology it makes some things harder to believe. anything can be altered to be made believable. So I guess that means I am a sceptic lol. Animals are a part of me. I feel magic in nature and around animals that most dont even pay attention to. A woman being told she can not have a child but does so any ways? This I have seen several times but then I also do not have trust in doctors that much.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: queenofnines on September 14, 2010, 04:34:22 pm
I am amazed at cats anyway and birds and butterflies.  How could you think God didn't do that.

Evolution explains the diversity of life.  And man is the one who domesticated cats!

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Don't you find it amazing how animals and insects have defense mechanisms.

Nature can be very cruel.  Who exactly is god favoring here?

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Have you ever seen a spider take his giant web down every morning and build it back at night all summer?

He is called by instinct to do so.

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Aren't you simply amazed at the fact that someone wants a baby so bad and doctors alll say it's not possible and a few months later they're pregnant.

No, I'm not amazed at all.  Doctors make mistakes, and science is to credit for thousands of births each day.

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And then you watch that precious miracle grow day by day (all babies) and see how soon and young he watches and learns so much.

It's not a miracle...it's a biological consequence.

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I can only see God when I see any of these things and so much more.

You're really cheapening the respect such things deserve then.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 05:06:46 pm
I see you're trying to suck all the beauty out of life again.

No she isnt she never said there was not any beauty. She only stated what Science has proven.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 05:23:03 pm
Why does there have to be a god for the answer to EVERY solution?
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 05:33:16 pm
Sometimes it does not hurt to actually listen to another persons point of view. With you though it is hard to tell because I have seen you switch back and forth between a god and no god issues. I am not doubting you in your opinion of him and to most he is there. I have come to trust in myself and those around me. I know everything happens for a reason. I am the one that can get myself a job I am the one that can get myself a place to live I am the one that gets my food. And for most of the things I receive from all of this I thank the animals and the plants that had to give their lives for me to be able to survive. You may say that HE is the reason they are here but I believe more in Evolution.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: jordandog on September 14, 2010, 05:38:28 pm
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all Science is doing is giving you an understanding of how God did it and what God did and what things he used

It's statements such as this one that show how absolutely out of the league you really are as far as actual intelligence and rational thinking. Please, do NOT come back with your "I have an IQ of 174" foolishness.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 05:42:42 pm
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all Science is doing is giving you an understanding of how God did it and what God did and what things he used

It's statements such as this one that show how absolutely out of the league you really are as far as actual intelligence and rational thinking. Please, do NOT come back with your "I have an IQ of 174" foolishness.

You have to wonder what other believers would say...I mean if it was retarded to believe in God, why do so many do it?

Hun please quit putting words in our mouths. Jor never said it was retarded. Just trying to say maybe you should research something before you say it.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: Lusie on September 14, 2010, 06:05:03 pm
Actually was not that far off the topic. But I will leave you be as long as you leave me and my opinions be. To you there is a certain G.. To me there is another. I just do not have faith in the pict that you linked that it was the act of HIM. That is what we were all discussing.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: queenofnines on September 14, 2010, 06:46:50 pm
I see you're trying to suck all the beauty out of life again.

No she isnt she never said there was not any beauty. She only stated what Science has proven.

Thank you, Lusie!  It is in my opinion that viewing this life as "the doormat where you wipe your feet before getting to your real life" (a.k.a. heaven) is what REALLY sucks all the beauty of of life.

That and having Heavenly Father wave his magic wand 7 times to create everything instead of our rich, shared heritage through evolution.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: queenofnines on September 14, 2010, 06:49:00 pm
I mean if it was retarded to believe in God, why do so many do it?

"Strength in numbers" means nothing.  "Strength in numbers" has been wrong many times in the past.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: queenofnines on September 15, 2010, 04:41:04 am
Well you guys sure seem to have all the answers...

Actually, it is the religious that claim to have all the answers ("god did it").  Whatever scientists can't yet explain - god did it.  Like that answers anything...  ::)

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so then you could also understand and scientifically have an answer to why people believe in God or choose to believe in God and it has nothing to do with how intelligent or unintelligent someone is.

It's quite simple: remember that most of today's religions got started before cars, before electricity, before the Internet, before modern medicine...and back then it was quite commonplace to invent god(s) for the events our ancestors couldn't explain.  People used to fervently believe in gods that threw lightning, but those gods are dead now.  Why?  Because we know now how lightning actually works!

Also, religion is like a mind virus.  Most people are pretty sucky at dealing with their own mortality, and religions offers the perfect (albeit false) distraction.  Wondering why other animals don't have gods or worry about the afterlife?  It's because their brains haven't evolved to the degree of awareness that we have yet.

Our advanced intelligence got to the point that we realized, "This life is all I have??  I don't want that!  That can't be right!!  Let me just say there's this happy place you go after you die; yeah, that sounds good!"

Based on NO.EVIDENCE.WHATSOEVER.
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: jordandog on September 15, 2010, 08:16:11 am
Well you guys sure seem to have all the answers...

Actually, it is the religious that claim to have all the answers ("god did it").  Whatever scientists can't yet explain - god did it.  Like that answers anything...  ::)

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so then you could also understand and scientifically have an answer to why people believe in God or choose to believe in God and it has nothing to do with how intelligent or unintelligent someone is.

It's quite simple: remember that most of today's religions got started before cars, before electricity, before the Internet, before modern medicine...and back then it was quite commonplace to invent god(s) for the events our ancestors couldn't explain.  People used to fervently believe in gods that threw lightning, but those gods are dead now.  Why?  Because we know now how lightning actually works!

Also, religion is like a mind virus.  Most people are pretty sucky at dealing with their own mortality, and religions offers the perfect (albeit false) distraction.  Wondering why other animals don't have gods or worry about the afterlife?  It's because their brains haven't evolved to the degree of awareness that we have yet.

Our advanced intelligence got to the point that we realized, "This life is all I have??  I don't want that!  That can't be right!!  Let me just say there's this happy place you go after you die; yeah, that sounds good!"

Based on NO.EVIDENCE.WHATSOEVER.

Good post, queen. This from you:"Whatever scientists can't yet explain - god did it."
That is a great example of the God of the gaps argument in use.
a) There is a gap in understanding of or being able to explain some aspect of the natural or scientific world.
So they move on to:
b) Then that proves the cause and explanation must be supernatural ie from god.

Lusie, thanks for saying what you did. I did not, never have, and never will say someone who believes in god is 'retarded'. I noticed though there is now a new thread on that. ::)
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: sflynt on September 15, 2010, 08:21:16 am
I personally don't think this cat having "cat" on it means that there is a God. Just like I don't believe seeing Jesus' face on a potato chip means it was God's doing. Its just coincidence.  I do think this was pretty cool though
Title: Re: This is why there is a God
Post by: oonamas on September 15, 2010, 01:42:29 pm
What kind of two bit magician do you think your god is?! LMAO. A cat - with patterns in it's fur - that kind of looks like it says cat! That is probably the weakest and most irrelevant argument anyone has ever made for the existence of god. Congratulations. The kitten is adorable tho! It sure put a smile on this atheists face. The world really is a beautiful place.

P.S. Brush up on statistics and then consider how many kittens have been born. And photographed. Refer to lolcats if necessary. Laugh heartily. At yourself.