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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
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Relax; no one is going to hell because hell doesn't exist. It's just a scare tactic designed to control people, and can be proven false through simple logic. Heaven doesn't exist either, though, so live your fullest life NOW.
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Relax; no one is going to hell because hell doesn't exist. It's just a scare tactic designed to control people, and can be proven false through simple logic. Heaven doesn't exist either, though, so live your fullest life NOW.
Doubtless, that's a bit of a let-down for muslim men and conversely, a relief for the 72 houri apiece, (who probably have better things to do regardless).
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It's not a scare tactic, It's a way of getting people to group together properly. Faith is a powerful thing, whether its in One God, Many gods, or faith in our fellow man. Jeez.
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It's not a scare tactic, It's a way of getting people to group together properly. Faith is a powerful thing, whether its in One God, Many gods, or faith in our fellow man. Jeez.
Faith that there's a loophole from being tortured forever? Do you ever analyze these sick, primitive beliefs?
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It's not a scare tactic, It's a way of getting people to group together properly. Faith is a powerful thing, whether its in One God, Many gods, or faith in our fellow man. Jeez.
Faith that there's a loophole from being tortured forever? Do you ever analyze these sick, primitive beliefs?
That's one 'o them there rhetorical questions, isn't it? :o
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Thats kinda hard to tell. With all the spirits that are with us whether good or bad y are they still here? Its like are they trapped? Do they know where to go?do they know they are even dead?
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
Those that Died before Christ were given a fair chance (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
EVERYONE that's alive will also be given an opportunity to either accept or refuse (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
It is hidden only to them that has allowed their minds/will to be set against it (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I hope this helps
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
Well my holybook says there's going to be a ressurrection of righteous and unrighteous(Acts 24:15), what other reason could there be for resurrection unrighteous but to give them a second chance? Muslims I think believe God is one person(which is good) but I think they classify his nature differently then say mainstream christianity, mainstream christianity says God is both a nature and a person but erroneously claim that God's nature is unique to Jesus and the holy spirit because only Jesus and the holy spirit(which is somehow a person) have the "God nature" which is just spirit...( John 4:24). My take on hinduism is that in there pantheon of Gods some of them were most likely overexalted messengers of God which is what the hebrew, greek and probably aramaic words for angel translates to...
My final words follow whatever your parents are teaching you through they're respective holy books but in the end read and study all to the best of your ability and make up your own decision, it's your personal relationship isn't it? I was born into the Jehovah's witnesses but I realize that they're teaching of spirit beings having a different nature then the father(the almighty one YAH/JAH.Yahweh/Jehovah for the bible) is erroneous and therefore I don't beleive angels and Jesus have a different nature from the almighty.
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That's kinda hard to tell. With all the spirits that are with us whether good or bad y are they still here? Its like are they trapped? Do they know where to go?do they know they are even dead?
There is only One true Spirit
Ephesians 4:4-6 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Be not the deceived
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
There are many spirits
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
But those be not of God
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
Those that Died before Christ were given a fair chance (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
EVERYONE that's alive will also be given an opportunity to either accept or refuse (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
It is hidden only to them that has allowed their minds/will to be set against it (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I hope this helps
You "hope this helps"? How are your (copy/paste) lists, taken from the christian bible, supposed to help a Hindu or a Muslim? You'll get them into the [nonexistent] heaven through coercion or osmosis? :confused1:
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
First off, do us a favor and stick around D+D since there are far too many christians in this forum. We need more different beliefs around these parts. Secondly, you've pointed out one of the many basic kill-tactics to defeating the religious mindset-- other belief systems that are just as legitimate as all of the others. I'm happy to see that you're thinking outside the box with questions like these. You shouldn't be coerced into being nice and earning browny points with a deity. You should be and do good in order to progress civilization. Usually in return you will earn the respect of others and that will make you happy as well. As for the elder thing- it depends. I grew up listening to a lot of the older generation and I realize now that what they told me is completely ignorant of many aspects in life (It's pretty obvious when you see the age groups that watch Fox News! lol). However people such as my grandma I will always respect deeply because she takes into account everything and she is willing to listen to me and others' points of view. Even in her old age, she shows a desire to learn more about the world and not cut it off like many of the elderly I grew up with (obviously the majority being religious...).
You "hope this helps"? How are your (copy/paste) lists, taken from the christian bible, supposed to help a Hindu or a Muslim? You'll get them into the [nonexistent] heaven through coercion or osmosis?
Don't even bother. Such a basic concept is far too complicated for ethnocentric christians. As you probably know, it's common for christians to do this- thinking that they will sway minds just by quoting bible verses. It's almost as if they think the words hold magical properties and that they will ferment their way of thinking into others who read it.
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
Well my holybook says there's going to be a ressurrection of righteous and unrighteous(Acts 24:15), what other reason could there be for resurrection unrighteous but to give them a second chance?
In Matthew 25:31 it explains clearly the separation of the Sheep and the Goats.The Righteous to inherent the Kingdom of God,the Unrighteous to everlasting punishment.It is written,once to die,then face the Judgement.
Muslims I think believe God is one person(which is good) but I think they classify his nature differently then say mainstream christianity, mainstream christianity says God is both a nature and a person but erroneously claim that God's nature is unique to Jesus and the holy spirit because only Jesus and the holy spirit(which is somehow a person) have the "God nature" which is just spirit...( John 4:24). My take on hinduism is that in there pantheon of Gods some of them were most likely overexalted messengers of God which is what the hebrew, greek and probably aramaic words for angel translates to...
Jesus being the Son of God and a member of the Trinity is what sets Him apart as being unique.
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Jesus being the Son of God and a member of the Trinity is what sets Him apart as being unique.
That's completely false. The early hebrews, (from whence xtianity arose), ripped that deital trinity idea off from the Aegyptians. The earlier Aegyptian priesthoods grouped three neteru, (deital forms), together as either 'male'/'male'/'female', all 'male' or, all 'female' archetypes. This concept was definitely _not_ unique to xtianity and in fact, supplies yet another piece of evidence of plagiarism of xtianity's part, (albeit as some bizzare "father, son, holy ghost" alteration of the deital triad concept).
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Jesus being the Son of God and a member of the Trinity is what sets Him apart as being unique.
That's completely false. The early hebrews, (from whence xtianity arose), ripped that deital trinity idea off from the Aegyptians. The earlier Aegyptian priesthoods grouped three neteru, (deital forms), together as either 'male'/'male'/'female', all 'male' or, all 'female' archetypes. This concept was definitely _not_ unique to xtianity and in fact, supplies yet another piece of evidence of plagiarism of xtianity's part, (albeit as some bizzare "father, son, holy ghost" alteration of the deital triad concept).
Very nice take on the trinity btw interestingly enough if the holy spirit is a person then it will most likely be female because thats the only gender the hebrew and Greek words for it use!!!
@JediJohnnie: Where is it written or at least the concept once to die then face Judgment? The scripture you gave didn't say anything about a resurrection so the sheep and goats that are talking to Jesus could be alive during his presence and therefore no need for a resurrection to be judged or could even be before the resurrection has started!!! Moreover what's the point in resurrecting unrighteous ones just to kill them without giving them another chance?
Adam is called son of God(Luke 3:38) and so are angels(Genesis 6:4)(Job 1:6)(Job 38:7)
Jesus is called the son because he was the only one directly created by the father(the only one said to be God of gods and most high(Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalms 83:18, John 1:14, 3:16, 18,1John 4:9, Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14)
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Heaven or hell is here on earth it's not a place you go when you die it's a state of mind.
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Heaven or hell is here on earth it's not a place you go when you die it's a state of mind.
Agreed. :thumbsup:
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I'm a muslim and I grew up with learning there is only one god and I shud recite the holybook every day and respect my parents and pray 5 times a day. But what about a Hindu kid? Will he go to hell because he believes in many gods? How is it his fault if grew up learning his religion also like I learned mine? Shudnt u always follow what ur elders tell u? Now how is it that poor Hindu boys fault. Does it or shouldn't it matter that you should just be a good person in order to enter heaven?
Those that Died before Christ were given a fair chance (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
EVERYONE that's alive will also be given an opportunity to either accept or refuse (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
It is hidden only to them that has allowed their minds/will to be set against it (GRACE- the unmerited/unearned favor of God)
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
I hope this helps
You can't be "good enough" to go to heaven. You can't "work" your way to heaven. There is only ONE WAY to heaven and it ain't by joining a church.
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I dont hurt people, I dont gossip, I havent killed anyone. I work hard and love my family with all my heart. I am faithful to my husband. In other words I be the best I can be not because of a religion but because I know right from wrong. I was raised in a cult and I escaped with my life intact so religion doesnt rule what I do. My love of the creator of everything whatever you call Him is who I pray to when I feel the need to pray not at a time set for me. I pray doing housework. I pray walking to the store. I pray in the quiet of the day when I am alone. I pray when I need to.
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I dont hurt people, I dont gossip, I havent killed anyone. I work hard and love my family with all my heart. I am faithful to my husband. In other words I be the best I can be not because of a religion but because I know right from wrong. I was raised in a cult and I escaped with my life intact so religion doesnt rule what I do. My love of the creator of everything whatever you call Him is who I pray to when I feel the need to pray not at a time set for me. I pray doing housework. I pray walking to the store. I pray in the quiet of the day when I am alone. I pray when I need to.
I always question whether my prayer is in harmony with the father's will(most high God Psalms 83:18), therefore I don't pray that much...
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My understanding is GOD is no respector of Person- my personal belief : theres 1 tree with many roots & branches.
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Everybody has the right to follow any religion of his or her choice. Islam's founder is Mohammed and what about the period before Mohammed? There was no Islam, and before talking ill about Hinduism do some research. Hinduism is one of the oldest religions in the world and nobody founded this religion, and the ideas of many wise old men, and the culture of one of the oldest civilizations shaped this religion. Islam doesnt even respect women, and grants men the right to any number of wives. Sheer injustice to women and supportive of male chauvenism. :dontknow: