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Easter is my favorite holiday for the special meaning it has to me. It is the day the Lord Jesus Christ made Himself known as the Risen Lord on Easter Sunday.
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Most definitely. Easter would be easter for us if we missed giving God some praises in church for the resurrection of his son Jesus Christ from the dead.
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ABSOLUTELY!!!
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No. How is this a "debate" question?
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No. How is this a "debate" question?
I'll second that "No". Agree also that this really is NOT a "debate" question/subject and isn't even a "deBUNNY" question.
Lacking sleep for long periods tends to make me goofier than normal.... ;D
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Yes, I will be attending church on Easter Sunday.
I am looking at the heading for this section, and it looks to me like it says "Debate & Discuss."
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I most certainly will as my husband is a pastor.
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I am looking at the heading for this section, and it looks to me like it says "Debate & Discuss."
Not much to discuss when it's a yes or no question... ;)
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Absolutely! It truly is the most important Christian holiday! Jesus is not dead...HE'S ALIVE! He loves you!!!
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I am looking at the heading for this section, and it looks to me like it says "Debate & Discuss."
Not much to discuss when it's a yes or no question... ;)
I don't know, you anti religious types seem to have no problem at all in filling any thread regarding anything religious with your diatribe.
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I am looking at the heading for this section, and it looks to me like it says "Debate & Discuss."
Not much to discuss when it's a yes or no question... ;)
I don't know, you anti religious types seem to have no problem at all in filling any thread regarding anything religious with your diatribe.
This is not a debate and discuss question. Why would anyone "debate and discuss" whether or not they are going to easter sunday service????
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Easter is my favorite holiday for the special meaning it has to me. It is the day the Lord Jesus Christ made Himself known as the Risen Lord on Easter Sunday.
Congrats,You get the Fusion Cash Darwin Award!!!! Clearly, this is an OFF TOPIC post. :dontknow:
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Easter Sunday is on of my favorite time of the year,everyone seems to reverence that day.
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It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss. Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him. Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to. As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him. If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice. But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.
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No I will not I am jewish
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But you will attend Synagogue for Passover I suppose, which is good as well, since after all, I got to thinking that if it were not for God delivering the Israelites out of Egypt, all nations of the earth would be affected in a very bad way, since I do believe also that all races are important to God but especially Jewish people being His timeclock. I wholeheartedly believe in His Word especially when it says that God blesses those that bless Israel but for the same token, God will also curse those that curse Israel.
Shalom and may you have a great Pesach. And may His mercy be upon you always.
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It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss. Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him. Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to. As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him. If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice. But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.
Amen, brother Richard!! :thumbsup:
To answer the question....yes, I will be attending church on Easter.... Morning Celebration with the Lord's Supper, Breakfast, Sunday School AND the Morning Worship Service.
To those who are complaining about this post being in the wrong thread.....the "Debate & Discuss" thread is a sub-forum of the "Off-Topic" discussion board, so WHO CARES!!! Geez....pick, pick, pick.
And, finally.........
HE IS RISEN!!!!
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It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss. Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him. Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to. As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him. If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice. But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.
The sun is getting hotter, and I'm not talkin about the bible whoo haa about the apocalypse crap, which by the way, was scheduled, and rescheduled again?!?!?! What are ya gonna do about it, pray? Don't think radiation sickness really cares about your deity.
Of course I am always going to call bs on christianity because I choose the tangible not the imaginary. I don't have a problem with christians, one of my best friends is a devout christian, but guess what, we get along and debate about issues just fine when we talk about her faith, reguardless if I dont believe. Our kids play together almost everyday, and low and behold, we are great together, and never any hard feelings. We think the world of eachother, and have helped eachother through rough patches without the use of scripture and churchy stuff. :bs:
Just as you have a right to post, so do I, although I feel my own convictions are sooooo much more rooted in reality than yours are, and that's just my opinion, it doesn't matter. You can do whatever you want, be whatever you want, believe in whatever you want. That's why they call this the "Debate and Discuss" area. If you feel that your "christian flock" is getting picked on by the posts, Step up and back up your point, or don't post here. Just realize that all sides of religious issues and beliefs will always be a heated topic of interest in this section, and the posts will proceed as such. Soooo get with the program and don't pull the "LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!" Crap with christianity. If you are holier than thou-prove it. Give me tangible examples, not excusses about how God doesn't need to defend himself, or read passages out of the bible, You defend YOURSELF, only if you want to post here, of course. No hurt feelings.
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This belongs in Off Topic. But no, I will not be at a church. I will be with my extended family. After that I plan to celebrate Easter the way it was meant to be celebrated- worshipping ancient pagan sex goddesses.
you anti religious types seem to have no problem at all in filling any thread regarding anything religious with your diatribe.
It's fun! Especially when threads like this should be posted in Off Topic. TROLLING HOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss.
Here's the thing 'ricky'; if you xtians get to evangelize and generally bible-thump, so too are others free to post opposing views. Since no xtians have thusfar produced a shred of evidence to support their opinion/faith, those would be that much more worthless than reasoned refutations.
Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
This is not however, a xtian site; it's FushionCash's Debate+Discuss subforum. That means that when xtians start injecting superstitious beliefs into their "issues", sometimes others, (whom you assume to be agnostic or atheist - lack of imagination there?).
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
You demonstrate an asstounding lack of reasoning ability. The premise is false therefore, a false conclusion was drawn from it. Specifically, it does not follow that such a "god" would/would not defend itself against either "mockery" or, those who shout 'Allah Akbar!' while killing westerners. It can be posited that such a hypothetical being either exists or, does not exist. If it exists, such an existence would be demonstrable by way of supportive evidence, (not some vague 'faith' claims or even more tenuous false attributions). If it does not exist, it would be unable to defend itself. Provisionally, in lieu of any self-defense or, supporting evidence, one cannot rationally conclude that such a hypothetical being exists.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him.
Only if you xtians reciprocate by leaving those who do not believe in such superstitions alone, (e.g., not "god-bothering" others left & right). If you folks can't manage that, it's unreasonable, (and an offensive suggestion of censorship), to expect it of others. This situation would not arise were it not for such specious evangelicizing, (mercifully-snipped below).
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This belongs in Off Topic. But no, I will be with my extended family. After that I plan to celebrate Easter the way it was meant to be celebrated- worshipping ancient pagan sex goddesses.
There you go. Named after Eostre, (a.k.a. Eastre), she was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility was known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron, Ausos, Ashtoreth from ancient Israel and Hathor from Aegyptus. Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre". Like most of their religious superstitions, the hebrews, (and later, the xtians), blythly ripped-off earlier cultures in bursts of plagiarisms.
I don't know, you anti religious types seem to have no problem at all in filling any thread regarding anything religious with your diatribe.
It's fun! Especially when threads like this should be posted in Off Topic. TROLLING HOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Oh I don't know ... if they wanted to actually debate & discuss the subject, (by placing it in D+D), instead of regarding opposing views as "diatribes", they'd debate & discuss the matter, no? Conversely, these religious adherents could be covering their eyes, chanting 'la-la-la' while peeking surreptiously at this:
"Premise: Jesus was a Zombie -
Syllogisms -
1) He came back from the dead:
Acts 2:24
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him
2) He encourages zombie like behavior:
John 6:53
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you""--zombie jesus website
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Easter is a special holiday. We are attending church as a family. Happy Easter! He is risen!
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don't pull the "LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE!" Crap with christianity.
BRILLIANCE!!!!! Bravo!
There you go. Named after Eostre, (a.k.a. Eastre), she was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility was known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron, Ausos, Ashtoreth from ancient Israel and Hathor from Aegyptus. Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre". Like most of their religious superstitions, the hebrews, (and later, the xtians), blythly ripped-off earlier cultures in bursts of plagiarisms.
Precisely. The entire story of Jesus alone is +/-90% ripped from other cultures and heroic archaetypes. The people going to church this sunday to praise the man probably have no idea of the historical truth surrounding the character and that's why I'm fascinated by this whole tradition. The origin of this holiday has more to do with sex than a zombie with an unoriginal story arc.
Oh I don't know ... if they wanted to actually debate & discuss the subject, (by placing it in D+D), instead of regarding opposing views as "diatribes", they'd debate & discuss the matter, no?
I suppose so. I'm good either way though! ;D
EOSTRE 4 LIFE, BRO! Have a good one!
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No. How is this a "debate" question?
This is a debate question because it lets people tell of their beliefs. Some go to church just on Easter Sunday because it is a significant Sunday. Some say it doesn't matter. And some will say they keep the belief that Jesus is God's son and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday over 2000 years ago.
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Yes, I will be attending Church Services on Easter Sunday. Starting with sunrise service, than the children Easter program, than regular worship service. Happy resurrection Day everyone!
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The entire story of Jesus alone is +/-90% ripped from other cultures and heroic archaetypes. The people going to church this sunday to praise the man probably have no idea of the historical truth surrounding the character and that's why I'm fascinated by this whole tradition. The origin of this holiday has more to do with sex than a zombie with an unoriginal story arc.
I doubt many of them ever bother to find out about the preceding mythical basis of their religious myths. For instance, one of the central Aegyptian myths combined sex and a zombie, (in that the neteru/"gods" supposedly resurrected Osiris, who then knocked-up Isis while he was a zombie, etc.).
Oh I don't know ... if they wanted to actually debate & discuss the subject, (by placing it in D+D), instead of regarding opposing views as "diatribes", they'd debate & discuss the matter, no?
I suppose so. I'm good either way though! ;D
That's cool. I was waiting to see if the self-proclaimed "minister" was going to D+D or just do drive-by evangelisms, (not that it matters either way, I was merely curious).
EOSTRE 4 LIFE, BRO! Have a good one!
You too, man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSydwZuPLD4&feature=related
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well said. The devil is always on the attack and those people do even realize they are being used when they make those ugly comments. Pray you and your family have a blessful Easter and reach the unlost.
It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss. Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him. Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to. As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him. If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice. But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.
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well said.
Actually, it was poorly-stated evangelism, (this is the debate + discuss subforum and your contentions are being challenged).
The devil is always on the attack and those people do even realize they are being used when they make those ugly comments.
First off, your superstitious beliefs concerning a mythical "devil" constitutes both an unsubstantiated claim and follows that with a false attribution. One might as well posit that the alledged xtian 'god' is using 'his' adherents to make ugly and uninformed comments, (this is not the position that I hold since I imagine that xtians are at least capable of being as uninformed or, ugly as the next).
Secondly, it's becoming more and more tedious when xtians characterize challenges to their empty 'faith' as being "ugly comments" while simultaneously disparaging those who don't believe in their superstitions. The current hypothesis is that they do so to avoid directly answering challenges to their 'faith', (and derivatively, because they fear their 'faith' is weak, despite protests to the contrary).
Lastly, your inconsistant xtian mythologies maintain that your 'deity' created "lucifer" as the first "archangel" who nevertheless chose to exercise free will, (along with one-third of the other "angels"), and this sufficiently ticked-off the petulant xtian 'deity' to "demonize" lucifer as the "devil". This type of negative P.R. was common among the ancient Aegyptians too; different pharoah's would have different patron neturu, (gods/goddesses), and sometimes have the previously ones expunged from monuments and such to 'remove their influence'. Being largely uninventive, (an assertion numerous other examples of xtian plagiarism support), the migrant hebrew laborers in Aegypt at the time likely dimly noticed this and copied the idea into their mythology, (from which xtian mythology derives).
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No. I have iron to pump and people to see, and candy to devour. Probably in that order, too.
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This is a debate question because it lets people tell of their beliefs.
The direct implication of that being such beliefs are debatable. This is not the same thing as profess-faith-and-flee-debate, however, (because that would be disingenuous of them in D+D).
Some go to church just on Easter Sunday because it is a significant Sunday. Some say it doesn't matter. And some will say they keep the belief that Jesus is God's son and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday over 2000 years ago.
Still others don't go to church, don't believe in that sort of superstitious nonsense and are actually aware that it's loosely-based on previous pagan superstitions, (although, given the originally pagan origins of Ostara/easter, a different spin is put on doing something like bunnies ...).
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Easter to the true believers are special. I would like to attend service on Easter Sunday but I am not sure what I will be doing.
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Easter Blessings!! :angel11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muK1DPKhKJ8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muK1DPKhKJ8)
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The devil is always on the attack and those people do even realize they are being used when they make those ugly comments. Pray you and your family have a blessful Easter and reach the unlost.
You run around saying your god gives us free will, then claim the devil can take over people's bodies w i l l y-nilly. Get your story fairy tale straight!
P.S. Reach the "unlost"? Is that a Freudian slip? Because I agree between you and I, I am the one who is "unlost".
P.P.S. The new *bleep* feature is a pain in the...[insert bleep].
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The devil is always on the attack and those people do even realize they are being used when they make those ugly comments. Pray you and your family have a blessful Easter and reach the unlost.
You run around saying your god gives us free will, then claim the devil can take over people's bodies w i l l y-nilly. Get your story fairy tale straight!
There are at least three ways to account for this. One; that their 'god' is nominally invited to "take over people's bodies", (and "souls"), so they transpose that same insidious bypassing of free will onto "the devil" as well. Two; we do have free will and neither an imaginary "god" nor imaginary "devil" are using us against that will. Three; xtians are several fries short of a happy meal.
P.S. Reach the "unlost"? Is that a Freudian slip? Because I agree between you and I, I am the one who is "unlost".
It's more a of hypocrital slip in that the ones who've lost the ability to discern the difference between self-delusions and the life they're experiencing now often try to imply that those who can discern it are 'lost', (while the "unlost" could be those they consider recruitable).
P.P.S. The new *bleep* feature is a pain in the...[insert bleep].
Ohhhh, that new *bleep* feature ... have you tried using 'pain in the hindquarters', 'pain in the rear' or, 'pain in the buns'? (textually, not literally)
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No. How is this a "debate" question?
I'll second that "No". Agree also that this really is NOT a "debate" question/subject and isn't even a "deBUNNY" question.
Lacking sleep for long periods tends to make me goofier than normal.... ;D
I'll will agree with the infidel here this is a yes and no question and therefore not really up for a debate or discussion.
Personally I will be attending my place of worship but it won't be about Easter my religion follows the Jewish calender for celebrating the lords evening meal and not some spring equinox date which predates Christ. According to the Jewish calender Nisan 14 was last Thursday and that's when Christ instituted the Lords evening meal.
Anyway to recap will I attend yes will it be about Easter no.
P.S. There's no scriptural proof that the God and father of Jesus, the holy spirit or even Jesus himself wanted people to celebrate the father resurrecting Jesus as it says all over the new Covenant(testament) that God resurrected Jesus.
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No I'm not.
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P.S. There's no scriptural proof that the God and father of Jesus, the holy spirit or even Jesus himself wanted people to celebrate the father resurrecting Jesus as it says all over the new Covenant(testament) that God resurrected Jesus.
I'm sorry...whaaat? ???
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[quote Posted by: teflonfanatic]
P.S. There's no scriptural proof that the God and father of Jesus, the holy spirit or even Jesus himself wanted people to celebrate the father resurrecting Jesus as it says all over the new Covenant(testament) that God resurrected Jesus.
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I'm sorry...whaaat? ???
Apparently, he's referring to the lack of biblical sources encouraging the celebration of a 'supernatural walker', (implying that, at the time the various text were cobbled together, none of the writers had thought to include that whopper in a chapter & verse). {athough it's not clear as to which "infidel" he was referring to in the rest of the reply} *pick me, pick me*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_theory_of_atonement
Moot as arguing about 'how many angels can dance upon the head of a pin'.
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I was questioning teflonfanatic because there is NO scriptural proof that 'God the Father', 'God the Son' or ' the Holy Spirit' DIDN'T want people to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.
Whether or not a Believer chooses to celebrate/observe/commemorate the Resurrection of Jesus is their decision, however, the Bible states in Luke 15 that the angels rejoice over the salvation of one that is lost.
Salvation would NOT have been possible--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
Heaven is all about celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.
Heaven wouldn't be possible for believers--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
The Bible would be just a book--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
There's no "commandment" or direct order from God in the Bible stating that a believer has to observe Easter/the Resurrection. IMO, the Bible has many verses about praising, worshipping, glorifying God, rejoicing in Him and being thankful. I think those verses would suggest that God would be very pleased when His children commemorate/celebrate Him, no matter what the season.
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Salvation would NOT have been possible--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
Heaven wouldn't be possible for believers--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
The Bible would be just a book--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
It remains that the "resurrection" is a belief-based claim which lacks substantiating evidence to support it. 'Faith' does not constitute evidence to support such claims therefore, there is no "salvation" or "heaven" and "the bible is just a book/s".
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I was questioning teflonfanatic because there is NO scriptural proof that 'God the Father', 'God the Son' or ' the Holy Spirit' DIDN'T want people to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.
Whether or not a Believer chooses to celebrate/observe/commemorate the Resurrection of Jesus is their decision, however, the Bible states in Luke 15 that the angels rejoice over the salvation of one that is lost.
Salvation would NOT have been possible--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
Heaven is all about celebrating the resurrection of Jesus.
Heaven wouldn't be possible for believers--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
The Bible would be just a book--- without the resurrection of Jesus.
There's no "commandment" or direct order from God in the Bible stating that a believer has to observe Easter/the Resurrection. IMO, the Bible has many verses about praising, worshipping, glorifying God, rejoicing in Him and being thankful. I think those verses would suggest that God would be very pleased when His children commemorate/celebrate Him, no matter what the season.
@Falcon: I was referring to arvil and jordandog they were commenting that the topic OP was too vague to debate or discuss
numbers correspond to your points
1. Jesus being resurrected saved Jesus and our faith(assurance of the things hoped for), 1 Peter 2:24 points out that Jesus died for our sins so we might stop sinning and live in righteous which is what salvation is, we where born to do the opposite because of Adam which is not salvation.
as for salvation not being possible the father could have just intervened himself but he wanted the son(Jesus) to act on his behalf for his own glory Jesus christ was exalted for the father's own glory(God of Jesus) Philippians 2:10-11
2. Actually heaven is all about praising the sacrifice Jesus made for us not his resurrection, he is called the lamb all throughtout revelation after all, Jesus is always praised as the lamb in revelation. As for not being possible see the last sentence of point 1
6 And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb as though it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which [eyes] mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent forth into the whole earth. 7 And he went and at once took [it] out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense, and the [incense] means the prayers of the holy ones. 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth. (Revelation 5:6-1)
3. Now here we agree however the bible wouldn't be a book with the father, holy spirit and 40 men is there scriptural evidence that we should celebrate the bible because of those 3. Actually as important as the bible is there is no scriptural evidence for celebrating the bible in a formal way, this is actually the reason Jesus rejected the Jews in his day.
In conclusion Jesus resurrection is important enough to appreciate, and preach out both are shown to be true in the bible but not celebrating in a formal way however Jesus did institute something to be celebrated though see scriptures below
14 At length when the hour came, he reclined at the table, and the apostles with him. 15 And he said to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this passover with YOU before I suffer; 16 for I tell YOU, I will not eat it again until it becomes fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17 And, accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves; 18 for I tell YOU, From now on I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the kingdom of God arrives.”
19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body which is to be given in YOUR behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf. (Luke 22:14-20)
As much as we want to reason that x and x is ok to be worshipped or celebrated if it corresponds to something extrabibical or is not stated to be so in the bible there's always Pauls warning, I won't Judge you though as i'm not Jesus nor nor am I a co-ruler with him.
6 Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and A·pol′los for YOUR good, that in our case YOU may learn the [rule]: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. ( 1 Corinthians 4:6)
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@Falcon: I was referring to arvil and jordandog they were commenting that the topic OP was too vague to debate or discuss
Ah, I took their comments to mean that a simple "yes" or "no" would nominally suffice if the topic appeared to not be amiable to discussion or debate.
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I always attend Easter service the day that my Lord and Savior rose from the dead, showing me that when I die, if I have asked Him into my life, that I also will rise again to be with Him.
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... the day that my Lord and Savior rose from the dead, showing me that when I die, if I have asked Him into my life, that I also will rise again to be with Him.
Oddly enough, there is zero evidence to support the veracity of such superstitious beliefs.
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Changed your mind or, modifying your post?
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Changed your mind or, modifying your post?
I "lost" my post.... ??? quite possibly my mind too... ??? it's been a "rough" week... ??? have had a few co-workers moving my stuff making me think I'm going "loco" and now this... ::)
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I "lost" my post.... ??? quite possibly my mind too... ??? it's been a "rough" week... ??? have had a few co-workers moving my stuff making me think I'm going "loco" and now this... ::)
"I came home one day and my roommate had replaced every single item in the place with an exact duplicate." --Steven Wright
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I "lost" my post.... ??? quite possibly my mind too... ??? it's been a "rough" week... ??? have had a few co-workers moving my stuff making me think I'm going "loco" and now this... ::)
"I came home one day and my roommate had replaced every single item in the place with an exact duplicate." --Steven Wright
LOL...ok, I'm not THAT bad off...yet. ;)
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I "lost" my post.... ??? quite possibly my mind too... ??? it's been a "rough" week... ??? have had a few co-workers moving my stuff making me think I'm going "loco" and now this... ::)
"I came home one day and my roommate had replaced every single item in the place with an exact duplicate." --Steven Wright
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LOL...ok, I'm not THAT bad off...yet. ;)
It could be worse ... "You know how it feels when you're leaning back on a chair, and you lean too far back, and you almost fall over backwards, but then you catch yourself at the last second? I feel like that all the time."-- Steven Wright
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@falcon9,
perhaps you should let these people know that there is zero evidence to support that they are walking in Jesus' ACTUAL footsteps and SAVE them $3,995!! :D
The Associated Press
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Elvis Presley Enterprises is sponsoring a tour of the Holy Land, which will take Elvis fans to Israel May 12-21. According to a news release from the company, travelers will follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Additionally, the tour group will stop at the Elvis Inn Restaurant in Abu Ghosh — an Elvis-themed diner and souvenir shop. Joining the tour will be Elvis backup singers Joe Moscheo, Terry Blackwood and Bill Baize.
Elvis won three Grammy awards for his spiritual recordings.
The cost is $3,995. http://www.dnj.com/article/20120328/NEWS/303280040/Elvis-fans-targeted-May-tour-Israel
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@falcon9,
perhaps you should let these people know that there is zero evidence to support that they are walking in Jesus' ACTUAL footsteps and SAVE them $3,995!! :D
The Associated Press:
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Elvis Presley Enterprises is sponsoring a tour of the Holy Land, which will take Elvis fans to Israel May 12-21. According to a news release from the company, travelers will follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Additionally, the tour group will stop at the Elvis Inn Restaurant in Abu Ghosh — an Elvis-themed diner and souvenir shop. Joining the tour will be Elvis backup singers Joe Moscheo, Terry Blackwood and Bill Baize.
Elvis won three Grammy awards for his spiritual recordings.
The cost is $3,995. http://www.dnj.com/article/20120328/NEWS/303280040/Elvis-fans-targeted-May-tour-Israel
For some, the combination of Elvis and jesus would be an irresistable temptation, (they may not be walking in the footsteps of either but, can probably imagine that that are).
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For some, the combination of Elvis and jesus would be an irresistable temptation, (they may not be walking in the footsteps of either but, can probably imagine that that are).
Well...I guess there's no harm in it (as long as they don't try to 'walk on the water' in their blue suede shoes).
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Well...I guess there's no harm in it (as long as they don't try to 'walk on the water' in their blue suede shoes).
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Still, it's such a cynical pretext for making money by 'sheering the sheep' that's it can make one wonder.
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Still, it's such a cynical pretext for making money by 'sheering the sheep' that's it can make one wonder.
But they are limiting the tour to only 100 people.
100 people x $3995 is only a mere $399, 500 :sad1:.
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Still, it's such a cynical pretext for making money by 'sheering the sheep' that it can make one wonder.
But they are limiting the tour to only 100 people.
100 people x $3995 is only a mere $399, 500 :sad1:.
Peanut butter & banana sandwiches included, (or excluded to prevent food fights)?
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Still, it's such a cynical pretext for making money by 'sheering the sheep' that it can make one wonder.
But they are limiting the tour to only 100 people.
100 people x $3995 is only a mere $399, 500 :sad1:.
Peanut butter & banana sandwiches included, (or excluded to prevent food fights)?
I bet they'd charge extra for "peanut butter & banana sandwich food fights" and I bet they could manage to find a way to get an image of Jesus on the bread and charge at least $15 a sandwich!
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I bet they'd charge extra for "peanut butter & banana sandwich food fights" and I bet they could manage to find a way to get an image of Jesus on the bread and charge at least $15 a sandwich!
There's be fewer fights if they had bananas with those chips that greeting cards have saying, "Uh-huh, thank you ... thank you verra much."
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I bet they'd charge extra for "peanut butter & banana sandwich food fights" and I bet they could manage to find a way to get an image of Jesus on the bread and charge at least $15 a sandwich!
There's be fewer fights if they had bananas with those chips that greeting cards have saying, "Uh-huh, thank you ... thank you verra much."
lol :thumbsup:
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I went to Sunrise Service, Sunday School, and Preaching at my church....It was a wonderful service!
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I went to Sunrise Service, Sunday School, and Preaching at my church....It was a wonderful service!
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Any baptistisms?
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It's very interesting to see that even as a minister, it amazes me how that whenever a Christian post is made, a non-Christian has to put their two cents in, which at today's minting prices, is worth even less than that after the profit loss. Also interesting is that usually, if we are living the way Christ commanded us, we don't usually go to an agnostic or atheist's site to argue their issues.
Ultimately, God is fully able to defend Himself with or without us, whenever He so chooses. And since He is not on our timeclock since He made time anyway, He does not have to defend Himself against those that make a mockery of Him.
With that, if you do not believe in God, then leave us Christians alone that want to believe in Him. Just as others can even believe in Santa if they want to. As for me, if not for the life, death, burial, ressurrection of the LORD Jesus Christ, and greatest of all, being born of His Spirit, I would have no desire to be a Christian if it were not for the only God that has ever chosen to die for His creation rather than having His creation die for Him. If we died for Him, we would still be considered a sinful sacrifice. But because He was, is and will always be righteous, it's the only means of salvation that makes sense, thus why I celebrate not only the remembrance of Easter and attending church, which my family and I actually go to bring service to a nursing home on Sundays, but also the remembrance of the Passover, since without the Jew, there would neither be an old nor new testament, with Jesus being the God of the old as well as the new.
A very fine post, sir.The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)
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The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.
Conversely, the behaviour of several self-professed xtians on FC has been insulting to persons able to use their minds & reasoning abilities, (as opposed to relying upon blind faith and demonstrating a lack of such abilities).
It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.
Apparently, it's too difficult for some some the more fundamentalist religious adherents to resist evangelizing even out of context. Abuse? What abuse, you false martyr?
It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)
It can be adaquately demonstrated that you, "jedijonnie", are a blatant liar. Since atheism is not a 'belief system', there aren't any "beliefs" to beat over believers heads. On the contrary, these numerously repeated "simple mentions of the bible and faith" do constitute 'beating those who do not believe such nonsense over their heads'. Obviously, this simple concept is 'over the head' of a fundie liar.
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A very fine post, sir.The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)
I have to cry foul on you for that nonsense filled hypocrisy above.
"It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality." Really? That was the 'mentality' behind the topic: "Mods need to do something about falcon9" which ran on for 10 pages/136 replies, the last being from Admin when he locked it? This exhibits "live and let live"?
How about the apparent joy you, and others of your ilk, took in posting about putting him on "ignore"? Here is just one, of many, comments from you regarding that: "Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:" Yes, I can most definitely see the compassion and tolerance for those who think/believe in a manner different from your own. ::)
There's that funny little bit of history coming to mind right now ie the Roman's persecution of Christians. Going by your words posted above, the Romans were only practicing live and let live, so I don't know why it was even included in the history of the world and it's religions.
I am able to count from memory less than 10 members of FC who have made it apparent through their writings that they are atheist and/or agnostics - there is a difference in case you do not know that also. Counter that with 100's of Christians like you, yet our tiny 'force' of atheists/agnostics are making your lives so miserable on FC? Seems to me, we [apparently] have far more power over you all then we ever realized! It is also very apparent which Christians are strong enough in their faith to D&D religious topics without picking up their toys and running away to hide when ideas/beliefs are challenged and/or questioned. You must NOT be very strong in your faith if you have to resort to the gang mentality when you cannot come up with a valid answer.
Live and let live.....as long as it is within the boundaries you set. We appear to be the 'big dogs', so choose which seat you want to watch from while you're on the porch. :P
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My husband and I are anti-religion. While others have their religious holidays we celebrate for a good reason other then a :bs: one. You celebrate your fiction while we will celebrate Spring and all that it offers.
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The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)
I have to cry foul on you for that nonsense filled hypocrisy above.
"It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality." Really? That was the 'mentality' behind the topic: "Mods need to do something about falcon9" which ran on for 10 pages/136 replies, the last being from Admin when he locked it? This exhibits "live and let live"?
How about the apparent joy you, and others of your ilk, took in posting about putting him on "ignore"? Here is just one, of many, comments from you regarding that: "Make it easy on yourself,Sammy and join the ranks of us who have put Falcon on Ignore. :thumbsup:" Yes, I can most definitely see the compassion and tolerance for those who think/believe in a manner different from your own. ::)
Thank you for providing the specific evidence which supports the assertion that this particular fundie prefers to forget his own lies and has quite the fondness for them.
There's that funny little bit of history coming to mind right now ie the Roman's persecution of Christians. Going by your words posted above, the Romans were only practicing live and let live, so I don't know why it was even included in the history of the world and it's religions.
I am able to count from memory less than 10 members of FC who have made it apparent through their writings that they are atheist and/or agnostics - there is a difference in case you do not know that also. Counter that with 100's of Christians like you, yet our tiny 'force' of atheists/agnostics are making your lives so miserable on FC? Seems to me, we [apparently] have far more power over you all then we ever realized! It is also very apparent which Christians are strong enough in their faith to D&D religious topics without picking up their toys and running away to hide when ideas/beliefs are challenged and/or questioned. You must NOT be very strong in your faith if you have to resort to the gang mentality when you cannot come up with a valid answer.
Live and let live.....as long as it is within the boundaries you set. We appear to be the 'big dogs', so choose which seat you want to watch from while you're on the porch. :P
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The behavior of several Atheists here are insulting and some downright harassing to Christians.
Conversely, the behaviour of several self-professed xtians on FC has been insulting to persons able to use their minds & reasoning abilities, (as opposed to relying upon blind faith and demonstrating a lack of such abilities).
It isn't even possible to have a simple mention of the Bible or Faith without someone challenging or hurling abuse at the person.
Apparently, it's too difficult for some some the more fundamentalist religious adherents to resist evangelizing even out of context. Abuse? What abuse, you false martyr?
It seems only the Christians on this site have the "live and let live" mentality.If you're an atheist,that's your choice.Only don't beat believers over the head for expressing their Faith,while forcing your beliefs on them.(Something that believers are often unfairly accused of.)
It can be adaquately demonstrated that you, "jedijonnie", are a blatant liar. Since atheism is not a 'belief system', there aren't any "beliefs" to beat over believers heads. On the contrary, these numerously repeated "simple mentions of the bible and faith" do constitute 'beating those who do not believe such nonsense over their heads'. Obviously, this simple concept is 'over the head' of a fundie liar.
Your posts are numbered in the order you posted them
1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd. True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up
to a blue sky do you?
2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)
3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.
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1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd.
Perhaps if others were to use what minds and reasoning skills they possess instead of utilizing their foreheads as a method to keep their eyebrows separated from their hairlines, they wouldn't misperceive logic as 'beating on' their illogic. As far as dictionary definitions go, no matter how disputed the etymology of words is, (what they mean), language consists of a consensus so that people are able to communicate using it. Were *bleep*-nilly personal reinterpretations countering consensual definitions to run rampant, you'd get sentences like 'gfiddimi hajexcy uta mengfluxo idbigop.' There is no possibility of refuting that assertion without replying in similar 'gobbledy-gook'.
True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up to a blue sky do you?
No faith is required for that; besides, we could wake up to partly cloudy or overcast skies, (where I'd be nonplussed and you'd have a failure of 'faith' that the skies would be blue). If the skies are cloudy, your faith that they'd be blue is blind.
2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)
Westboro Baptist church baptists. Islam. Mormonism.
3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.
I disagree; beliefs aren't a necessary requirement to define all 'isms'. There are such philosophical schools of thought as Humanism, (which does not include supernatural or, natural beliefs), Epicureanism, Socraticism, Nilism, and atheism.
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Comment on the use of "xtian" for "Christian":
"Christos is the New Testament Greek for Christ. The first letter of the Greek word Christos is transliterated into our alphabet as an X. That X has come through church history to be a shorthand symbol for the name of Christ.
The idea of X as an abbreviation for the name of Christ came into use in our culture with no intent to show any disrespect for Jesus. The church has used the symbol of the fish historically because it is an acronym. Fish in Greek (ichthus) involved the use of the first letters for the Greek phrase “Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.” So the early Christians would take the first letter of those words and put those letters together to spell the Greek word for fish. That’s how the symbol of the fish became the universal symbol of Christendom. There’s a long and sacred history of the use of X to symbolize the name of Christ, and from its origin, it has meant no disrespect."
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Comment on the use of "xtian" for "Christian":
"Christos is the New Testament Greek for Christ. The first letter of the Greek word Christos is transliterated into our alphabet as an X. That X has come through church history to be a shorthand symbol for the name of Christ.
The idea of X as an abbreviation for the name of Christ came into use in our culture with no intent to show any disrespect for Jesus.
Commentary on comments regarding "xtian":
First off, "jesus" wasn't a xtian. Secondly, the "x" has been linked to the "cross", (as the actual form of the crucifiction device, rather than the 'cross shape'/upright 'x'). The remainder is fairly accurate.
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1. I will agree most wear their heart on their sleeve so almost anything said in a constructive matter will be insulting, however some people use their mind and reasoning skills to either beat on others or to find a way to get around stuff such as a dictionary definition xd.
Perhaps if others were to use what minds and reasoning skills they possess instead of utilizing their foreheads as a method to keep their eyebrows separated from their hairlines, they wouldn't misperceive logic as 'beating on' their illogic. As far as dictionary definitions go, no matter how disputed the etymology of words is, (what they mean), language consists of a consensus so that people are able to communicate using it. Were *bleep*-nilly personal reinterpretations countering consensual definitions to run rampant, you'd get sentences like 'gfiddimi hajexcy uta mengfluxo idbigop.' There is no possibility of refuting that assertion without replying in similar 'gobbledy-gook'.
True faith is not blind I have faith that i'll wake up to a blue sky do you?
No faith is required for that; besides, we could wake up to partly cloudy or overcast skies, (where I'd be nonplussed and you'd have a failure of 'faith' that the skies would be blue). If the skies are cloudy, your faith that they'd be blue is blind.
2. Name some fundamentalist groups you have me interested would mine be included? I think they can't resist because Jesus told them not to (Matthew 24:14)
Westboro Baptist church baptists. Islam. Mormonism.
3. Well he isn't completely wrong but your not completely right either Falcon ism is a suffix for condition, action, doctrine and theory according to ask.com and wikianswers and there's beliefs in all of those things.
I disagree; beliefs aren't a necessary requirement to define all 'isms'. There are such philosophical schools of thought as Humanism, (which does not include supernatural or, natural beliefs), Epicureanism, Socraticism, Nilism, and atheism.
1. A good teacher wouldn't use their knowledge to intentionally beat on them, there's a way of teaching them without doing so it's called tact, when teachers teach on said subject they don't beat their students over the head.
2. More examples on true faith, I applied for a job I had faith i'll get the job and I got it after I filled an application of course. I have faith that if I post at least 35 posts i'll get $3. Assurance of the things hoped for though not beheld(Hebrews 11:1)
3. I'm sad that you didn't include mine anyway Islam is one of the biggest faiths in the world, I think westboro's are a pariah to their own faith(baptists) as for mormons only missionaries preach which has no scriptural basis.
4. Epicureans are deists try again, atheism is the belief in no God under the mask of "proof" that they're is no God because you have faith that there's nothing outside the material universe I don't know nilism to be honest and socrates was somewhat in the middle according to what I found on google that makes him agnostic was is also a believe practiculary God may exist but I need more proof
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1. A good teacher wouldn't use their knowledge to intentionally beat on them, there's a way of teaching them without doing so it's called tact, when teachers teach on said subject they don't beat their students over the head.
There's an implicit assumption being made in your comment which doesn't necessarily apply here.
2. More examples on true faith, I applied for a job I had faith i'll get the job and I got it after I filled an application of course. I have faith that if I post at least 35 posts i'll get $3.
Neither of those is an example of 'faith' having any effect on the result, (getting a job relies upon being qualified; an unqualified person will not normally get the job, no matter how much 'faith' they have). Receiving a posting bonus on FC is a matter of making qualified posts; again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with 'faith' expectations, (since I and others have received the $3 bonus without any 'faith' required).
3. I'm sad that you didn't include mine anyway Islam is one of the biggest faiths in the world, I think westboro's are a pariah to their own faith(baptists) as for mormons only missionaries preach which has no scriptural basis.
I assume you meant JWs?
4. Epicureans are deists try again ...
A deist believes in a deity; belief in a supernatural being is an aspect of religion.
... atheism is the belief in ...
No, a disbelief is not, itself, a belief, (since those are mutually-exclusive terms).
... no God under the mask of "proof" that they're is no God because ...
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Requesting that others who claim there is a 'god' provide evidence to support their claim is not a "mask of proof that (there) is no god". If someone claims overtly that there is no 'god', the burden of proof is on that claimaint.
you have faith
No, I don't employ 'faith' in perceiving reality as it is, as much as is possible.
... that there's nothing outside the material universe
There is currently no accurate way to determine that, (include speculating about supernatural 'causes').