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"This is the text of the Gardnerian Book of Shadows. In one sense, this is the central sacred text of the Wicca religion. However, it is important to point out that there is no 'official' Book of Shadows. Typically each coven has a hand-written copy of a Book of Shadows, sometimes in cypher or code, which reflects its own practices and knowledge. This particular text is derived from a file posted on the Internet in the early 90s, and quotes previously published material which was known to be in use by Gardner and his group.
The Book of Shadows was attributed by Gardner to an ancient, clandestine witch cult, which he claimed to have been initiated into.
However, modern researchers have concluded that it was composed by Gardner. The text shows influences from English and Celtic Folk-lore, the Enochian system of John Dee, Thelema, the Golden Dawn, Stregaria, Tantric Yoga, the KJV Bible and even Kipling. This version organizes the material in chronological order and has estimated dates for each section, ranging from 1949 to 1961."
-- http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gbos/index.htm
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Yay! We need something like this posted every day ! Thank you! :D
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Yay! We need something like this posted every day ! Thank you! :D
Maybe so, considering the alternatives, (which I did - there may be a "daily satanic bible verse" or, "daily voudoun passage", etc.).
I'm glad you enjoyed the first installment; anyone who wants to add their remarks, (pro, con or contributory), is free to do so. *
* - disclaimer: Although I'm not wiccan, I know several personally and I definately know it's a federally-recognised religion.
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All of it is so ridiculous. Worshiping a mystical being or worshiping a plant.
Live well and be good to each other and yourself. We would all be better off for it.
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I found the following at this site: DailyWicca Everyday Inspiration --http://dailywicca.com/ (http://dailywicca.com/)
+Interesting to note the references to (Gerald) Garner and the First (Gardnerian) Book of Shadows that falcon9 talks
about in his post, as well as the controversy surrounding it.
PAGE: Book of Shadows -- http://dailywicca.com/book-of-shadows/ (http://dailywicca.com/book-of-shadows/)
"The Book of Shadows is another primary tool used in Wicca. It contains much of the magickal lore, correspondences and spells used in Wicca. Some treat it as a magickal diary, with recording their experiences. The first Book of Shadows was written by Gerald Gardner, although there is still much scandal concerning who actually wrote it, with a lot of finger-pointing toward Aleister Crowley and in some cases Doreen Valiente. The name, “Book of Shadows,” is used to refer to the Witch-Hunt days and the need for secrecy of the religion, and thus an allusion is made to practicing within the shadows. Today, the term Book of Light is sometimes used as the need to hide and stay hidden is no longer necessary.
Often hand written out, the Book of Shadows, or BOS can be typed out or kept on a floppy disk as well. [some text skipped here] In the end, the BOS is a personal tool and becomes personalized by the individual who uses it. Nor is the BOS holy writing, but a guide line and source containing much of a Coven’s or Solitary’s magickal lore and traditions.
As far as the Book of Shadows is concerned, it may well have been inspired by the grimores said to be kept by Magus’ and Sorcerers throughout the Medieval Ages. The most famous being The Key of Solomon. Gerald Gardner is supposedly to have received the Book of Shadows during his initiation in 1939. He later published it in his novel, “High Magic’s Aid.” This Book of Shadows was then expanded on by Doreen Valiente and Aleister Crowley. Many Hereditary Witches claim that a similar book is kept, though it is not refer to as a Book of Shadows. Kerr Cuhulain has pointed out in his “Wiccan Warrior”, that Gardner did indeed draw on Charles G. Leland’s book “Aradia: Gospel of the Witches” published in 1899 as well as several other sources when writing his Book of Shadows.
The term grimoire, or grammar, means essentially a book of learning and the name seems to make sense as a universal term for this type of book. The name “grimoire” is not the actual name which is used within any tradition. This name is used solely because the real name of the book is secret, and so it serves as a point of reference for the same item between traditions. The things which are written within the book are religious rituals, amendments to those rituals, and other things which have to do with the religion. Things related to magick are written in a different book. It does not serve as a diary. Most of the time, this book is hand written by the individual. In some families, this book is copied from what is referred to as a “Great Book.”
Whether called a Book of Shadows, Book of Light, Mirror Book, Grimore, Great Book, ect. It is a personal tool and highly individualized by it’s user and coven.
This is the basic outline that most Books of Shadows have:
* Title Page (This usually says: Book of Shadows, sometimes mentions what tradition and often has your name listed on it)
* Laws (This is the rules, codes and ethics)
* Invocations of the Goddess and God (This is often a blessing for the book, usually appearing before or next to the Laws)
* An alter diagram
* Circle Casting and dispersing instructions
* Rituals (Sabbats, Full Moon rite, tool consecrations)
* Prayers, chants, invocations, spells
* Initiation Ritual (Whether self or Coven)
* Pictures, Sketches
* Symbols
* Dream Working
* Magickal Rites (Herb Lore, Stone Lore, runes, correspondences, ect.)
* Records of Magickal workings and experiences."
PAGE: What’s Inside a Witches Book of Shadows? -- http://dailywicca.com/book-of-shadows/whats-inside-a-witches-book-of-shadows/ (http://dailywicca.com/book-of-shadows/whats-inside-a-witches-book-of-shadows/)
A book in which a Witch records his or her personal spells, invocations, rituals, dreams, recipes for various potions, and so forth. Some traditions say it must be hand-written, others say it doesn’t matter. A Book of Shadows may be kept by an individual witch or by an entire coven . In the event of a Witch’s death, the Book of shadows may be passed down to his or her children or grandchildren, kept by a High Priestess & High Priest of the Coven (if the witch was a member of one at the time of her death), or burned in order to protect the secrets of the Craft. whichever course of action is taken, depends entirely upon the customs of the particular Wiccan tradition and/or the Witch’s own personal wishes.
A BOS is also the magickal journal kept by each wiccan initiate, in which spells, invocations, ritual notes, herbal recipes, dreams, divination results and material from the coven book can be recorded. Some people write in Thesbian script or in other alphabets.
Sew into the cover of the Book leaves of the sacred herbs vervain, rue, bay, willow or others, if you wish. They should be well-dried & secretly placed by the light of the moon. The covers of the Book of shadows should, of course, be covered with cloth."
*This was followed by two other possible 'Book of Shadows Outlines', which I did not include here
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"Wiccan mythos:
This is a term designating the underlying spirituality of Wicca reflected in the seasonal rites of Nature, along with the metaphors linked with the lunar reverence. The essence of this mythos is based upon the Wheel of the Year, which designates the sabbats of the Wiccan religion. The Wheel possesses the foundation of the Wiccan belief in ever-returning cycles, an aspect also linking the Wiccan belief to reincarnation. Death and the survival of the soul or spirit are important elements of the Mystery Teachings contained within the Old Religion."
-- http://dailywicca.com/2012/03/10/wiccan-mythos/stacey
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Equal time for all religions I say! I am not a wiccan but love to study different religions. Your presentation was well thought out rather than some of the gibberish spewed by 700 Club followers(LOL!). I only have one friend that follows wiccan beliefs and she is dating a strict catholic who is trying to change her ways. To each his own. I think that the boyfriend is offensive for wanting to change her beliefs. Almost as offensive as the door to door religious folk who feel that converting me is their mission in life. I like to study different religions at my own pace and your approach is well done. Please continue in the future!
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Equal time for all religions I say! I am not a wiccan but love to study different religions.
I'm not wica either however, I have traced the origins of judeo-xtianity back to its pagan roots and have wondered whether xtians are actually 'witches-in-disguise' on that basis.
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Your presentation was well thought out rather than some of the gibberish spewed by 700 Club followers(LOL!).
Pat Robertson is one of the most bigoted xtian zealot-fundamentalist proselytizers extant. He certainly takes the "fun" out of fundamentalism.
I only have one friend that follows wiccan beliefs and she is dating a strict catholic who is trying to change her ways. To each his own. I think that the boyfriend is offensive for wanting to change her beliefs. Almost as offensive as the door to door religious folk who feel that converting me is their mission in life.
Religious proselytizing exceeds mere annoyance when it seeks to coerce.
I like to study different religions at my own pace and your approach is well done. Please continue in the future!
Thank you for your comments, as these posts are intended to be contributory to discussion and input from other members is encouraged but, not mandatory.
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I knew two people (that I can recall) that I went to school with when I was younger. One of them I believe claimed to be Wiccan and the other I think was Neo Pagan. I don't claim any particular religion. I share beliefs of multiple religions. I like to see things regarding other religions aside from Christian. Thanks for starting this thread. I'll continue to check back to see what has been posted. :wave:
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Heh, very nice.
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I knew two people (that I can recall) that I went to school with when I was younger. One of them I believe claimed to be Wiccan and the other I think was Neo Pagan. I don't claim any particular religion. I share beliefs of multiple religions. I like to see things regarding other religions aside from Christian. Thanks for starting this thread. I'll continue to check back to see what has been posted. :wave:
So far, there have been replies from those who know wiccans, (myself included), but none from any wiccans, (we know of), themselves. That's alright, some of us probably know a satanist, a voudoun practicioner or, buddhist too. Some may already be members of FC, who knows?
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Wow. that's interesting!
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Pat Robertson is one of the most bigoted xtian zealot-fundamentalist proselytizers extant. He certainly takes the "fun" out of fundamentalism.
How can you not like Pat Robertson. He's a Christian who trolls other Christians. His best act has to be using funds he received funds from 700 Club viewers (for relief work in Zaire) to transport diamond mining equipment. Then there's supporting and asking 700 Club viewers to support Charles Taylor, a ruthless dictator, because he owned diamond mine rights in Liberia and worried what would happen when Taylor was overthrown.
I'm saddened by the fact that you didn't create a Pastafarian topic.
I've dated a Wiccan before and have a friend who is married to a Wiccan. I find Wiccans and various other types of pagans interesting.
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How can you not like Pat Robertson. He's a Christian who trolls other Christians. His best act has to be using funds he received funds from 700 Club viewers (for relief work in Zaire) to transport diamond mining equipment. Then there's supporting and asking 700 Club viewers to support Charles Taylor, a ruthless dictator, because he owned diamond mine rights in Liberia and worried what would happen when Taylor was overthrown.
Well, that's Pat making other xtians who send him money more 'patsies' than being trolled, (don't religious evangelists call that "fleecing the sheep"?)
I'm saddened by the fact that you didn't create a Pastafarian topic.
Then you'll be happier to know that I considered it briefly however, wanted to leave some topics for others to cover, (and not to give a false impression that I 'know something about everything, yet little of nothing').
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I've dated a Wiccan before and have a friend who is married to a Wiccan. I find Wiccans and various other types of pagans interesting.
Did any of the wiccans you knew ever mention this tidbit; "not all wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccan"?
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I missed your latest installment...are you going to put the entry under a new post or under this one? There are like ten christian posts since you put this up so I am surprised that they haven't commented on this blog yet? Duroz seemed to have a good source to go to but I don't have time to go to sites that don't pay me! LOL! One of my point-to-click sites pays me to google things but not to actually enjoy what it is that I pull up. Another pays me to make inquiries through their search engine...yet another that doesn't pay me to learn!
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I missed your latest installment...
Today's tidbit was posted after midnight and posits; "not all wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccan". Duroz hasn't been on yet, as far as I can tell.
...are you going to put the entry under a new post or under this one?
I'll just keep posting nightly topical stuff under this thread, until significant subject-drift occurs, (which may engender a new thread topic).
There are like ten christian posts since you put this up so I am surprised that they haven't commented on this blog yet?
Yes, they seem to enjoy flooding various forums, (not just the off topic and d+d forums), with xtian proselytizations. This thread was started by a non-wiccan and therefore, isn't proselytizing the wiccan religion(s).
Duroz seemed to have a good source to go to but I don't have time to go to sites that don't pay me! LOL! One of my point-to-click sites pays me to google things but not to actually enjoy what it is that I pull up. Another pays me to make inquiries through their search engine...yet another that doesn't pay me to learn!
Sometimes learning pays off in non-monetary ways.
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"There are various denominations within Wicca, which are referred to as traditions. Some, such as Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wicca, follow in the initiatory lineage of Gardner. Others, such as Cochrane's Craft, Feri and the Dianic tradition, take primary influence from other figures and may not insist on any initiatory lineage.
The application of the word Wicca has given rise to "a great deal of disagreement and infighting". Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wicca are often collectively termed British Traditional Wicca, and many of their practitioners consider the term Wicca to apply only to these lineaged traditions. Others do not use the word "Wicca" at all, instead preferring to be referred to only as "Witchcraft," while others believe that all modern witchcraft traditions can be considered "Wiccan."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
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"There are various denominations within Wicca, which are referred to as traditions. Some, such as Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wicca, follow in the initiatory lineage of Gardner. Others, such as Cochrane's Craft, Feri and the Dianic tradition, take primary influence from other figures and may not insist on any initiatory lineage.
The application of the word Wicca has given rise to "a great deal of disagreement and infighting". Gardnerian and Alexandrian Wicca are often collectively termed British Traditional Wicca, and many of their practitioners consider the term Wicca to apply only to these lineaged traditions. Others do not use the word "Wicca" at all, instead preferring to be referred to only as "Witchcraft," while others believe that all modern witchcraft traditions can be considered "Wiccan."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
I guess I am a "natural witch" then. I don't follow any traditions or practice any wiccan rituals. It just makes a whole lot more sense to give thanks to nature then an imaginary friend.
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I guess I am a "natural witch" then. I don't follow any traditions or practice any wiccan rituals. It just makes a whole lot more sense to give thanks to nature then an imaginary friend.
As is said, "not all wiccans are witches and not all witches are wiccan". Some would be 'untrained'/'uninitiated'/'self-trained', ("initiated"), if non-traditional. Surprisingly, (or, maybe not); most wiccans don't follow lineaged traditions and are content to 'wing it'.
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"One can be a Witch, without being a Wiccan, just as a person can be a xtian, without being a Baptist. Wicca is a recognized religion, while
'witchcraft' itself is not considered a religion. Thus, Wicca might best be described as a modern religion, based on ancient Witchcraft traditions."
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i had never heard of this book interesting
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So does this mean Falcon can finally leave Bible threads alone?Or are we supposed to harass people in this thread by repeatedly posting a picture of Charles Laughton getting smacked in the face with "the book of shadows"?
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So nice to see a "different" thread! Tired of "coffee or tea", "favorite dog/cat", etc. type threads; one of the reasons I've been gone for a while. I have a friend who is Wiccan and know some of her coven. It is surprising and disappointing not to see any posts from Wiccans. I'll be staying tuned to this topic :-)
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So does this mean Falcon can finally leave Bible threads alone?Or are we supposed to harass people in this thread ...
Only if you're dumber than a bucket of wet sand, if not then no.
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So nice to see a "different" thread! Tired of "coffee or tea", "favorite dog/cat", etc. type threads; one of the reasons I've been gone for a while. I have a friend who is Wiccan and know some of her coven. It is surprising and disappointing not to see any posts from Wiccans. I'll be staying tuned to this topic :-)
Wiccans, (individual or, covened), do seem to be fewer than other religious memberships but, they are around. We ran into two just by renting a house from them, (it wasn't advertised as 'wiccan house for rent' but, that would've clinched the deal for us!).
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So does this mean Falcon can finally leave Bible threads alone?Or are we supposed to harass people in this thread by repeatedly posting a picture of Charles Laughton getting smacked in the face with "the book of shadows"?
Well let's see you come up with that picture!! Go for it!
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So does this mean Falcon can finally leave Bible threads alone?Or are we supposed to harass people in this thread by repeatedly posting a picture of Charles Laughton getting smacked in the face with "the book of shadows"?
Both great questions. The golden rule could be looked at at least 2 different ways (one where you treat others kindly in return for kindness; or the "newer version" where others treat you the opposite of kindness, yet you don't dare treat them the opposite of kindness.) I can guarantee you the Bible threads will not be left alone - that would be way too difficult and way too boring for some.
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The golden rule could be looked at at least 2 different ways (one where you treat others kindly in return for kindness; or the "newer version" where others treat you the opposite of kindness, yet you don't dare treat them the opposite of kindness.)
That's too narrow of a 'view'. The "golden rule" suggests that someone be treated as they treat others. As it applies to initial proselytizing by xtians, (variously in verses threads and scattered randomly throughout the forums as religious declarations), the "rule" would mean that the presumptuous rudeness of such proselytizations can be met with opposition, (such reactions may be perceived as "rude" in turn by the initiators of "rude" religious posts but, is a fair application of the "golden rule").
I can guarantee you the Bible threads will not be left alone - that would be way too difficult and way too boring for some.
There's no presumptive free pass for unopposed proselytiation and to expect such a thing is unreasonably-blind.
"Sit too close to the fire, night-blindness occurs. Look away from the light and the eyes become accustomed to the formerly unseen."
-- anon wiccan
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The golden rule could be looked at at least 2 different ways (one where you treat others kindly in return for kindness; or the "newer version" where others treat you the opposite of kindness, yet you don't dare treat them the opposite of kindness.)
That's too narrow of a 'view'. The "golden rule" suggests that someone be treated as they treat others. As it applies to initial proselytizing by xtians, (variously in verses threads and scattered randomly throughout the forums as religious declarations), the "rule" would mean that the presumptuous rudeness of such proselytizations can be met with opposition, (such reactions may be perceived as "rude" in turn by the initiators of "rude" religious posts but, is a fair application of the "golden rule").
I can guarantee you the Bible threads will not be left alone - that would be way too difficult and way too boring for some.
There's no presumptive free pass for unopposed proselytiation and to expect such a thing is unreasonably-blind.
"Sit too close to the fire, night-blindness occurs. Look away from the light and the eyes become accustomed to the formerly unseen."
-- anon wiccan
Sorry to disagree with you, but the initial posts being made of well within people's freedom of opinions, speeches, and expression. You can disagree with their beliefs, but you are wrong in messing with them most every single time any one thing is said. You are trying to block their freedom as if you are ruling that they are not allowed to say anything about God, or you will plague, pester, agitate, provoke, needle, and hound them, instead of understanding that their personal views are as important as yours are. Free choice and free will. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to torment them "mentally" with the words, quotes, and pics you use. If they mess with you, dare you, and tell you that you MUST be saved, in a hostile or mean way, then yes, by all means, what you are doing is what they probably deserve. Other than that, they aren't speaking to only "YOU" - rather to those who would be interested, and so there's no sense in you going in deliberately just to provoke them. (Note: I'm not necessary speaking of the debate threads, although you do make it a habit of doing what you do; I am mainly speaking of off-topic inspirational or Bible verse threads who are interesting and inspiring for those who do enjoy them.)
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So is Fal-con now engaging in the very "proselytiation" that he claims offends him,by creating this thread? ;D
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... the initial posts being made of well within people's freedom of opinions, speeches, and expression.
Indeed, just as any responses made are within those same parameters. That's not being disputed, (except in a tacit way by your repeated attempts to suppress/limit/censor such responses to those "initial posts"). Those "initial posts" are perceived as rude, pestering, disrespectful, agitating, presumptuous, provoking, needling, santimonious and impolite by non-xtians, (enough though the 'freedom of expression' permits xtians to post such "initial posts").
You can disagree with their beliefs, but you are wrong in messing with them most every single time any one thing is said. You are trying to block their freedom as if you are ruling that they are not allowed to say anything about God, or you will plague, pester, agitate, provoke, needle, and hound them, instead of understanding that their personal views are as important as yours are.
You can characterize opposition to INITIAL religious propaganda as "messing with" it and in any other way however, such specious complaints will not affect dissenting opposition to superstitious religious beliefs.
Free choice and free will. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to torment them "mentally" with the words, quotes, and pics you use. Other than that, they aren't speaking to only "YOU" - rather to those who would be interested ...
Under that same free will, you don't get to dictate the parameters of the responses to your religious propagandizing. The FC forums and threads are not exclusive venues for xtian proselytization. Your trolling of a thread concerning a non-xtian belief system, (nothing related to the subject was posted in reply to the context of this thread), reveals more than you intended. The wiccans might speculate as to that process having nothing whatsover to do with some xtian deital entities.
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So is Fal-con now engaging in the very "proselytiation" that he claims offends him,by creating this thread? ;D
Since I'm not wiccan, is sith-johnnie suggesting that I'm "proselytizing" other religions now? Wait until we get a thread on 'satanism' ...
As it applies to initial proselytizing by xtians, (variously in verses threads and scattered randomly throughout the forums as religious declarations), the "rule" would mean that the presumptuous rudeness of such proselytizations can be met with opposition, (such reactions may be perceived as "rude" in turn by the initiators of "rude" religious posts but, is a fair application of the "golden rule").
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So does this mean Falcon can finally leave Bible threads alone?Or are we supposed to harass people in this thread ...
Only if you're dumber than a bucket of wet sand, if not then no.
(http://i.imgur.com/OyPs8.jpg)
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Since I'm not wiccan, is sith-johnnie suggesting that I'm "proselytizing" other religions now? Wait until we get a thread on 'satanism' ...
I think that'd be pretty funny. Compare the rules and moral guidelines of the CoS to the Abrahamic religions or something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan
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So is Fal-con now engaging in the very "proselytiation" that he claims offends him,by creating this thread? ;D
Worshiping nature makes a whole lot more sense then your invisible friend...
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The golden rule could be looked at at least 2 different ways (one where you treat others kindly in return for kindness; or the "newer version" where others treat you the opposite of kindness, yet you don't dare treat them the opposite of kindness.)
That's too narrow of a 'view'. The "golden rule" suggests that someone be treated as they treat others. As it applies to initial proselytizing by xtians, (variously in verses threads and scattered randomly throughout the forums as religious declarations), the "rule" would mean that the presumptuous rudeness of such proselytizations can be met with opposition, (such reactions may be perceived as "rude" in turn by the initiators of "rude" religious posts but, is a fair application of the "golden rule").
I can guarantee you the Bible threads will not be left alone - that would be way too difficult and way too boring for some.
There's no presumptive free pass for unopposed proselytiation and to expect such a thing is unreasonably-blind.
"Sit too close to the fire, night-blindness occurs. Look away from the light and the eyes become accustomed to the formerly unseen."
-- anon wiccan
Sorry to disagree with you, but the initial posts being made of well within people's freedom of opinions, speeches, and expression. You can disagree with their beliefs, but you are wrong in messing with them most every single time any one thing is said. You are trying to block their freedom as if you are ruling that they are not allowed to say anything about God, or you will plague, pester, agitate, provoke, needle, and hound them, instead of understanding that their personal views are as important as yours are. Free choice and free will. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to torment them "mentally" with the words, quotes, and pics you use. If they mess with you, dare you, and tell you that you MUST be saved, in a hostile or mean way, then yes, by all means, what you are doing is what they probably deserve. Other than that, they aren't speaking to only "YOU" - rather to those who would be interested, and so there's no sense in you going in deliberately just to provoke them. (Note: I'm not necessary speaking of the debate threads, although you do make it a habit of doing what you do; I am mainly speaking of off-topic inspirational or Bible verse threads who are interesting and inspiring for those who do enjoy them.)
This is a forum. If you do not like being on one then don't let the door hit you where apparently what passes for a brain is.
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I wonder if there wiccan excerpters in here that are fc members and how their earnings are doing? :peace: :angel11: ;D :D :) ;) :bunny: :dog: :female: :fish: :male: :notworthy: :thumbsup:
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So is Fal-con now engaging in the very "proselytiation" that he claims offends him,by creating this thread? ;D
Worshiping nature makes a whole lot more sense then your invisible friend...
Oddly enough, there are some aspects of xitianity and wica which overlap. One of those overlaps concerns viewing "nature" itself as a 'g-d/dess' form(s). This stems from ancient beliefs which anthropomorphized natural phenomenon and developed into various religions as time passed.
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The golden rule could be looked at at least 2 different ways (one where you treat others kindly in return for kindness; or the "newer version" where others treat you the opposite of kindness, yet you don't dare treat them the opposite of kindness.)
That's too narrow of a 'view'. The "golden rule" suggests that someone be treated as they treat others. As it applies to initial proselytizing by xtians, (variously in verses threads and scattered randomly throughout the forums as religious declarations), the "rule" would mean that the presumptuous rudeness of such proselytizations can be met with opposition, (such reactions may be perceived as "rude" in turn by the initiators of "rude" religious posts but, is a fair application of the "golden rule").
I can guarantee you the Bible threads will not be left alone - that would be way too difficult and way too boring for some.
There's no presumptive free pass for unopposed proselytiation and to expect such a thing is unreasonably-blind.
"Sit too close to the fire, night-blindness occurs. Look away from the light and the eyes become accustomed to the formerly unseen."
-- anon wiccan
Sorry to disagree with you, but the initial posts being made of well within people's freedom of opinions, speeches, and expression. You can disagree with their beliefs, but you are wrong in messing with them most every single time any one thing is said. You are trying to block their freedom as if you are ruling that they are not allowed to say anything about God, or you will plague, pester, agitate, provoke, needle, and hound them, instead of understanding that their personal views are as important as yours are. Free choice and free will. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to torment them "mentally" with the words, quotes, and pics you use. If they mess with you, dare you, and tell you that you MUST be saved, in a hostile or mean way, then yes, by all means, what you are doing is what they probably deserve. Other than that, they aren't speaking to only "YOU" - rather to those who would be interested, and so there's no sense in you going in deliberately just to provoke them. (Note: I'm not necessary speaking of the debate threads, although you do make it a habit of doing what you do; I am mainly speaking of off-topic inspirational or Bible verse threads who are interesting and inspiring for those who do enjoy them.)
This is a forum. If you do not like being on one then don't let the door hit you where apparently what passes for a brain is.
Oh, my goodness, how nice! I love being on here! Have a snappy day! :)
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This is a forum. If you do not like being on one then don't let the door hit you where apparently what passes for a brain is.
Oh, my goodness, how nice! I love being on here! Have a snappy day! :)
"A snappy day" is it? It may be that a wica would suggest that you attract the attention malevolent 'forces' by such comments and are walking the lefthand path of xtianity.
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This is a forum. If you do not like being on one then don't let the door hit you where apparently what passes for a brain is.
I LOVE this, and I hope you don't mind, Cuppycake, if I still the "important" part to use myself from time to time....??
STILL??? Derr
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"According to the oral tradition of Witches, we were once the priests and priestesses of a peasant Pagan religion.
Members of this secret sect met at night beneath the full moon, for these were the "misfits" and "outcasts" who did not fit into mainstream society. Little has changed over the centuries and the Witchcraft community still embraces individuals frequently rejected in mainstream society."
-- Raven Grimassi
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i read a lot of books on wicca in high school and I truly had something real to believe in. Something tangible, like the earth and wind, water and fire. I wish people would open their minds sometimes and read other religions and beliefs with an open mind instead of just saying it's magic or mystical or fake. I hate closed-minded people. Just let me be and do what i want and if i'm not hurting you then leave me be..people have nothing better to do with their lives i think sometimes..it's sad.
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This is a forum. If you do not like being on one then don't let the door hit you where apparently what passes for a brain is.
I LOVE this, and I hope you don't mind, Cuppycake, if I still the "important" part to use myself from time to time....??
STILL??? Derr
What the heck?? That should say "STEAL the important part to use....". I have no idea why I used the word "still" when I posted this.....
So at any rate....Cuppycake, I'm STILL going to STEAL the important part to use myself from time to time
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Nice job and a refreshing change! Thank you for introducing a little diversity on the Fusion Forum around religious information. I did get a little amused that your topic did start a bit of a discussion about other notable or should I say notorious folks from the "other" side! I guess that is just human nature to take the opportunity to flame when given the chance. I do appreciate your topic and was glad to see others add some additional historical information. Thanks for posting!
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*falcon9~:thumbsup:Yahooooooooo...something different from the regular never ending gibbrish about a book that's clearly flawed & tainted since the hand didn't write it but written frm the tainted hands of Man! This too cool 8) My hubby RIP2009 has pretty much the entire collection from the book of shadows edition! You're the 1st person bsides my hubby who knows anything about this.As a Recovering-eX-Catholic,I find
the Wiccin concept much more real,& luv the way nature is part it all.I find it much more gentler & kinder
than the bible.The bible 2me is basically Stuff that has been borrowed or stolen frm other cultures &
religions!Most have been taken from pagan rituals,cults,& wiccin,ideology..etc. X-mas,Easter,Martygrae, Halloween,April fools,St.Patrick's day,etc....
:fish:Again,I prefer a gentler/kinder religion vs the angry god, the vengeful god, the jealous god...(these sound like basic Human traits not a godly trait) that uses threats to make us follow it's way.1 example,the pagan holiday we call X-mas:the warning 2the kids!You better not cry,you better not shout.....talk about bribery!LOL, Keep bringing us new material F9! :thumbsup: :peace: :wave:
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*falcon9~:thumbsup:Yahooooooooo...something different from the regular never ending gibbrish about a book that's clearly flawed & tainted since the hand didn't write it but written frm the tainted hands of Man! This too cool 8) My hubby RIP2009 has pretty much the entire collection from the book of shadows edition! You're the 1st person bsides my hubby who knows anything about this.As a Recovering-eX-Catholic,I find
the Wiccin concept much more real,& luv the way nature is part it all.I find it much more gentler & kinder
than the bible.The bible 2me is basically Stuff that has been borrowed or stolen frm other cultures &
religions!Most have been taken from pagan rituals,cults,& wiccin,ideology..etc. X-mas,Easter,Martygrae, Halloween,April fools,St.Patrick's day,etc....
:fish:Again,I prefer a gentler/kinder religion vs the angry god, the vengeful god, the jealous god...(these sound like basic Human traits not a godly trait) that uses threats to make us follow it's way.1 example,the pagan holiday we call X-mas:the warning 2the kids!You better not cry,you better not shout.....talk about bribery!LOL
Most, (if not all), latter judeo-xtian religions derive directly from plagiarizing earlier pagan belief systems. For some reason, it's difficult to locate a xtian who will take responsibility for their own religious belief system's cultural thefts, lies and murders of the pagans they stole from.
Keep bringing us new material F9! :thumbsup: :peace: :wave:
While this particular thread relates to wica and wiccan religious concepts, they weren't/aren't the only pagans. There may be other threads envisioned later for the some of the more 'obscure' pagan ways.
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Interesting, keep the posts coming :D
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'The Summer Solstice, known to some as Litha, Midsummer, or Alban Heruin, is the longest day of the year. It’s the time when the sun is most powerful, and new life has begun to grow within the earth. After June 21st, the nights will once more begin to grow longer, and the earth's orbit will take it further away from the sun as the year proceeds.
Many different traditions celebrated the summer solstice in various ritual ways, some remain to this day.'
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An example of an outline for a solitary ritual that closely follows those performed in a coven environment. This example can be utilized by either the solitary follower or a full coven. Excerpted from the book 'To Ride a Silver Broomstick' by Silver RavenWolf:
A. Ritual Preparation:
1. Define purpose
2. Write ritual
3. Gather necessary tools
4. Prepare area
5. Prepare body
B. Open Circle:
1. Find true North
2. Set up Magickal 'doorway'
3. Call the Watchtowers / Elemental Quarters
C. Invocation to the deities:
1. Align self with deity
2. Invoke deities
D. Statement of Purpose:
E. Actual Rite:"
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??? what is this ? you cant be serious posting this on here are these spells? :'( magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary :binkybaby: just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
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??? what is this ? you cant be serious posting this on here are these spells? :'( magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary :binkybaby: just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
You post your superstious xtian religious nonsense on these forums and have the audacity to disparage non-xtian magic? Hypocrit.
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You are a hypocrite, yourself. You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians. Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
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magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
The bible is full of magic and strange rituals though.
You are a hypocrite, yourself. You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians. Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
I'm under the impression that he's promoting different beliefs other than the crazy christian zealots that keep popping up left and right. It does get tiresome hearing the same popular nonsense. Might as well exercise that free speech and talk about different (and arguably more interesting and unique) nonsense.
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You are a hypocrite, yourself.
Look up the word; you are inaccurately applying it to me which means you're bearing false witness, xtian.
You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians.
Once again, you attempt to impute false intent you fabricated to me. I'm not "promoting" wica per se; I'd initiated a thread about a non-xtian subject matter. It didn't take long for a fellow xtian fundie to "bash" a federally-recognised religion, (wica). The thread was not posted to "pick at the xtians" any more than the xtian proselytiing threads were posted to "pick at" non-xtians. Unless you're now tacitly admitting that's the intent of the xtian biblical threads and numerous posts containing xtian religious superstitions, then you're a hypocrit, (unless the actual meaning of the word).
Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
The thread is open to those who want to discuss alternate belief systems; wica is one. Satanism, (another federally-recognised religion), is another. I'm neither and yet, still 'free' to discuss off topic subjects in the off-topic forum as you xtian fundies are.
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magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
The bible is full of magic and strange rituals though.
Precisely so, which makes both of the interjecting xtian fundies extreme hypocrits.
You are a hypocrite, yourself. You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians. Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
I'm under the impression that he's promoting different beliefs other than the crazy christian zealots that keep popping up left and right. It does get tiresome hearing the same popular nonsense. Might as well exercise that free speech and talk about different (and arguably more interesting and unique) nonsense.
Actually, I'm promoting the freedom of speech to discuss non-xtian belief systems. There is no rational basis to presume that such are personally-held beliefs, (irrational xtian suppositions notwithsatnding).
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I would be tickled to see a "daily Necronomicon incantation" post. :angel12:
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??? what is this ? you cant be serious posting this on here are these spells? :'( magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary :binkybaby: just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
Oh for crying out loud....
did you REALLY post this....I mean, as a SERIOUS post....?? :BangHead:
I'm not sure that you HAVE your OWN real opinions about things......
:confused1: maybe you've just seen too many movies or watch too much TV.
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I would be tickled to see a "daily Necronomicon incantation" post. :angel12:
The Necronomicon, as written by H.P. Lovecraft is an occult fiction, written by that famous writer of horror stories. It became such a phenomenon that countless other books were written in an apparent attempt to cash in on it's popularity. The Necronomicon Spellbook is not the same book as the one written by H.P. Lovecraft. While it's origins are also suspect, the magick contained therein is proved to be a workable magick system that is based on ancient Sumerian magick. With that concept in mind, here you go:
"Barrier that none can pass,
Barrier of the gods, that none may break,
Barrier of heaven and earth that none can change,
Which no god may annul,
Nor god nor man can loose,
A snare without escape, set for evil,
A net whence none can issue forth, spread for evil.
Whether it be evil Spirit, or evil Demon, or evil Ghost,
Or evil Devil, or evil God, or evil fiend,
Or Hag-demon, or Ghoul, or Robber-sprite,
Or Phantom, or Night-wraith, or Handmaid of the Phantom,
Or evil Plague, or Fever sickness, or Unclean Disease,
Which hath attacked the shining waters of Ea,
May the snare of Ea catch it;
Or which hath assailed the meal of Nisaba,
May the net of Nisaba entrap it;
Or which hath broken the barrier,
Let not the barrier of the gods,
The barrier of heaven and earth, let it go free;
Or which reverence not the great gods,
May the great gods entrap it,
May the great gods curse it;
Or which attacketh the house,
Into a closed dwelling may they cause it to enter;
Or which circleth round about,
Into a place without escape may they bring it;
Or which is shut in by the house door,
Into a house without exit may they cause it to enter;
Or that which passeth the door and bolt,
With door and bolt, a bar immovable, may they withhold it;
Or which bloweth in at the threshold and hinge,
Or which forceth a way through bar and latch,
Like water may they pour it out,
Like a goblet may they dash it in pieces,
Like a tile may they break it;
Or which passeth over the wall,
Its wing may they cut off;
Or which (lieth) in a chamber,
Its throat may they cut;
Or which looketh in at a side chamber,
Its face may they smite;
Or which muttereth in a chamber,
Its mouth may they shut;
Or which roameth loose in an upper chamber,
With a basin without opening may they cover it;
Or which at dawn is darkened,
At dawn to a place of sunrise may they take it."
-- (from an Assyrian Tablet)
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??? what is this ? you cant be serious posting this on here are these spells? :'( magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary :binkybaby: just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
Oh for crying out loud....
did you REALLY post this....I mean, as a SERIOUS post....?? :BangHead:
I'm not sure that you HAVE your OWN real opinions about things......
:confused1: maybe you've just seen too many movies or watch too much TV.
Not only that possibility exists but, almost from the beginning of xtianity, its followers have believed in and used certain magical ritual practices to obtain supernatural intercessions in their times of need. There are many instances, (even mentioned in the bible), when a specific procedure (i.e., "magic"), was recommended to be used to achieve one's objective.
Some need only to recall a few, (albeit dubious), biblical accounts of Moses allegedly using a certain act to produce a serpent from his staff or water from stone, Joshua allegedly had his men engage in precise activities days before the felling of Jericho's walls and jesus allegedly gave specific instructions to the blind man to return his sight. Xtianity has also held that there exists a communion, or community, of saints who, though deceased, can intercede for those still in the flesh. It would appear that only 'xtian magic' is acceptable while all other types are not, in some cherry-picking superstitious bias of theological proportions.
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The Necronomicon, as written by H.P. Lovecraft is an occult fiction, written by that famous writer of horror stories. It became such a phenomenon that countless other books were written in an apparent attempt to cash in on it's popularity. The Necronomicon Spellbook is not the same book as the one written by H.P. Lovecraft. While it's origins are also suspect, the magick contained therein is proved to be a workable magick system that is based on ancient Sumerian magick. With that concept in mind, here you go:
"Barrier that none can pass,
Barrier of the gods, that none may break,
Barrier of heaven and earth that none can change,
Which no god may annul,
Nor god nor man can loose,
A snare without escape, set for evil,
A net whence none can issue forth, spread for evil.
Whether it be evil Spirit, or evil Demon, or evil Ghost,
Or evil Devil, or evil God, or evil fiend,
Or Hag-demon, or Ghoul, or Robber-sprite,
Or Phantom, or Night-wraith, or Handmaid of the Phantom,
Or evil Plague, or Fever sickness, or Unclean Disease,
Which hath attacked the shining waters of Ea,
May the snare of Ea catch it;
Or which hath assailed the meal of Nisaba,
May the net of Nisaba entrap it;
Or which hath broken the barrier,
Let not the barrier of the gods,
The barrier of heaven and earth, let it go free;
Or which reverence not the great gods,
May the great gods entrap it,
May the great gods curse it;
Or which attacketh the house,
Into a closed dwelling may they cause it to enter;
Or which circleth round about,
Into a place without escape may they bring it;
Or which is shut in by the house door,
Into a house without exit may they cause it to enter;
Or that which passeth the door and bolt,
With door and bolt, a bar immovable, may they withhold it;
Or which bloweth in at the threshold and hinge,
Or which forceth a way through bar and latch,
Like water may they pour it out,
Like a goblet may they dash it in pieces,
Like a tile may they break it;
Or which passeth over the wall,
Its wing may they cut off;
Or which (lieth) in a chamber,
Its throat may they cut;
Or which looketh in at a side chamber,
Its face may they smite;
Or which muttereth in a chamber,
Its mouth may they shut;
Or which roameth loose in an upper chamber,
With a basin without opening may they cover it;
Or which at dawn is darkened,
At dawn to a place of sunrise may they take it."
-- (from an Assyrian Tablet)
I was referring to the Lovecraft work. I appreciate anything other than a Bible verse for once. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn! :)
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I was referring to the Lovecraft work. I appreciate anything other than a Bible verse for once. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn! :)
Da nada.
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magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
The bible is full of magic and strange rituals though.
You are a hypocrite, yourself. You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians. Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
I'm under the impression that he's promoting different beliefs other than the crazy christian zealots that keep popping up left and right. It does get tiresome hearing the same popular nonsense. Might as well exercise that free speech and talk about different (and arguably more interesting and unique) nonsense.
So, in other words, it's quite okay to be sarcastic about the Christian posts, mock, bash, belittle, disrespect, etc., but whoa - hold the train, if a Christian comes in to exercise their free speech in a wiccan post. Free speech goes both ways. I'm not interested in bashing wicca in the least. It's just very odd he would bash the Christians, then begin his own wicca thread, when he doesn't believe in that, then make remarks because Christians dare to come in and question him about either his motive, or whether or not he is practicing wicca.
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You are a hypocrite, yourself.
Look up the word; you are inaccurately applying it to me which means you're bearing false witness, xtian.
You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians.
Once again, you attempt to impute false intent you fabricated to me. I'm not "promoting" wica per se; I'd initiated a thread about a non-xtian subject matter. It didn't take long for a fellow xtian fundie to "bash" a federally-recognised religion, (wica). The thread was not posted to "pick at the xtians" any more than the xtian proselytiing threads were posted to "pick at" non-xtians. Unless you're now tacitly admitting that's the intent of the xtian biblical threads and numerous posts containing xtian religious superstitions, then you're a hypocrit, (unless the actual meaning of the word).
Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
The thread is open to those who want to discuss alternate belief systems; wica is one. Satanism, (another federally-recognised religion), is another. I'm neither and yet, still 'free' to discuss off topic subjects in the off-topic forum as you xtian fundies are.
Except, you do not choose to "discuss" Christianity - you bash. I'm not bashing wicca. That's their choice to do that. I'm just joining in a discussion, like you do, except that you bash, questioning either your motive behind what you are obviously doing, or whether or not you are actually practicing what you are promoting - like you know everything about something that you have not tried. Or have you? I'm just simply questioning you as part of my free speech and curiosity in these forums, too.
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It's obvious that F---9 (that's how I'm going to refer to him,since he can't bring himself to actually spell such words as "Christian" and "God") only started this thread in hopes that Christians would bash Wiccans the same way he bashes Christians.How's that working out for you?
You have to wonder about a guy that starts and promotes a thread devoted to a subject he doesn't actually believe in himself.
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Except, you do not choose to "discuss" Christianity - you bash.
You can characterize any dissenting viewpoint as 'bashing' because there really aren't many 'politically-correct' ways to white-wash the negative aspects of the xtian belief system, ('well, they did murder millions of non-believers but, it was for their own good'?). Dispensing with such beating-around-the-bush will result in a blind-faither getting defensive about dissent.
I'm not bashing wicca.
No, instead you're "bashing" me for posting a wiccan thread. The difference is subtle, huh?
I'm just joining in a discussion, like you do, except that you bash, questioning either your motive behind what you are obviously doing, or whether or not you are actually practicing what you are promoting - like you know everything about something that you have not tried.
So, you're admitting that your motive is to "bash" me for posting about wica when I'm not wiccan, (which/witch isn't a prerequsite for posting in general about a subject).
Or have you? I'm just simply questioning you as part of my free speech and curiosity in these forums, too.
Question away. I'll choose to answer or not, much like you choosing not to substantiate your religious claims, (without the blind-faith cop-out).
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It's obvious that F---9 (that's how I'm going to refer to him,since he can't bring himself to actually spell such words as "Christian" and "God") only started this thread in hopes that Christians would bash Wiccans the same way he bashes Christians.How's that working out for you?
You fundies are fixated on that word - dissent becomes "bashing" according to either non-bias or the bias of a religious believer. Right now, you're interjecting your "bashing" of someone, (me), into a wiccan thread while previously claiming to have ignored the poster, (me), who initiated this thread. Besides imparting general information on wicca to contrast the constant xtian proselytizing posts, (and if I'm not proselytizing wica, how can I be "trolling" xtians to bash it?), by "bashing" only one author of such posts and not the others, two fundie xtians have revealed their intent to "bash" the "basher", (sure, it's childish and immature but then, so is xtianty).
You have to wonder about a guy that starts and promotes a thread devoted to a subject he doesn't actually believe in himself.
If you 'enjoyed' that, you're going to love a forthcoming thread about satanism.
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It's obvious that F---9 (that's how I'm going to refer to him,since he can't bring himself to actually spell such words as "Christian" and "God") only started this thread in hopes that Christians would bash Wiccans the same way he bashes Christians.How's that working out for you?
You have to wonder about a guy that starts and promotes a thread devoted to a subject he doesn't actually believe in himself.
Absolutely. He does not "approve" of what he calls "spells" in Christianity, yet will begin a wicca thread, promoting spells or whatever he bashes Christians about. We all know that this thread was started as a thorn against the Christian threads. Like you mentioned, we're not going to bash another person's way of believing - it's their personal choice, as ours is. But I will question why he is essentially "preaching" something he doesn't practice, including studying it so it looks like he knows something grand when posting. That's when I ask him IF he is indeed practicing wicca. Fair questions.
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He does not "approve" of what he calls "spells" in Christianity, yet will begin a wicca thread, promoting spells or whatever ...
Which wiccan "spells" exactly have I "promoted"? An incantation derived from H.P. Lovecraft's fictional Necronomicron is equivalent to the fictional 'bible'?
We all know that this thread was started as a thorn against the Christian threads.
No, you're guessing that's the intent due to your barely-restrained religious bias. You're no 'mind-reader', (because that would be 'witchcraft').
That's when I ask him IF he is indeed practicing wicca.
That's when I chose not to answer, just like when you "choose" not to substantiate your specious religious claims, (btw, copying sophist nonsense from the "bible.org" site is using a tainted/biased source and does not constitute untainted evidence).
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He does not "approve" of what he calls "spells" in Christianity, yet will begin a wicca thread, promoting spells or whatever ...
Which wiccan "spells" exactly have I "promoted"? An incantation derived from H.P. Lovecraft's fictional Necronomicron is equivalent to the fictional 'bible'?
We all know that this thread was started as a thorn against the Christian threads.
No, you're guessing that's the intent due to your barely-restrained religious bias. You're no 'mind-reader', (because that would be 'witchcraft').
That's when I ask him IF he is indeed practicing wicca.
That's when I chose not to answer, just like when you "choose" not to substantiate your specious religious claims, (btw, copying sophist nonsense from the "bible.org" site is using a tainted/biased source and does not constitute untainted evidence).
That last comment of yours is simply your opinion, and an assessment, without verifiable facts. You must know about something clear through, inside and out, to be able to make your comment an assertion. You have not done so.
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So, in other words, it's quite okay to be sarcastic about the Christian posts, mock, bash, belittle, disrespect, etc., but whoa - hold the train, if a Christian comes in to exercise their free speech in a wiccan post. Free speech goes both ways. I'm not interested in bashing wicca in the least. It's just very odd he would bash the Christians, then begin his own wicca thread, when he doesn't believe in that, then make remarks because Christians dare to come in and question him about either his motive, or whether or not he is practicing wicca.
Where did I say it's not okay to do either? And I'd suggest taking a step back and rereading any mocking or disrespecting as it just might be showing a major flaw in whatever the issue being discussed is. A lot of the religious threads have been doing this for a while-
"The bible is true. The bible says so."
"That's circular logic."
"No it's not."
"You're ignorant to the problem."
"HOW DARE YOU BASH ME!"
And seeing how 99% of religious threads are xtian because they just can't seem to be quiet about it, I find it completely fine to introduce different religions into the forum (whether the reasons for introducing it be legitimate or trolling) as long as there's some form of legit education involved. Ia Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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I love this thread. I didn't want to start an Wicca thread my self because I didn't want people to bash my religion and me, but there is positive with the negative and I like that. I hope this thread goes far. I'll be reading and posting periodically.
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(btw, copying sophist nonsense from the "bible.org" site is using a tainted/biased source and does not constitute untainted evidence).
That last comment of yours is simply your opinion, and an assessment, without verifiable facts.
Are you seriously implying that "bible.org" is not a xtian source? What, they're really satanic or, wiccan? The source is xtian and therefore, contains an inherent xtian bias. This is not simply 'my' "opinion since it consists of simple logic even a xtian ought to grok, (..."bible/xtian" ...), unless they're being particularly obtuse.
You must know about something clear through, inside and out, to be able to make your comment an assertion. You have not done so.
No, you must have sufficient evidence, (and there is), to make such an assessment. There is never complete data available, (this does not negate reasoning based upon sufficient data to make assessments as opposed to jumping to concllusions). Reasoning is not your forte.
"The fundamentalists, by 'knowing' the answers before they start, and then forcing nature into the straitjacket of
their discredited preconceptions, lie outside the domain of science --or any honest intellectual inquiry."
-- Stephen J. Gould
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magic is for people in la la land or devil worshipers im sorry no no and you open doors you should not open its kinda scary just light color candles for goodluck and read horoscope and tarot cards nothing else please lolits asking for trouble sweetie trust me karma will bite you 3 times back
The bible is full of magic and strange rituals though.
You are a hypocrite, yourself. You bash Christians for their beliefs, and enjoy promoting Wicca just to pick at the Christians. Are you becoming a Wiccan? People generally promote what they believe and support. Please do explain.
I'm under the impression that he's promoting different beliefs other than the crazy christian zealots that keep popping up left and right. It does get tiresome hearing the same popular nonsense. Might as well exercise that free speech and talk about different (and arguably more interesting and unique) nonsense.
So, in other words, it's quite okay to be sarcastic about the Christian posts, mock, bash, belittle, disrespect, etc., but whoa - hold the train, if a Christian comes in to exercise their free speech in a wiccan post. Free speech goes both ways. I'm not interested in bashing wicca in the least. It's just very odd he would bash the Christians, then begin his own wicca thread, when he doesn't believe in that, then make remarks because Christians dare to come in and question him about either his motive, or whether or not he is practicing wicca.
Wicca makes a whole lot more since worshiping nature rather then an invisible man in the sky...
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It's obvious that F---9 (that's how I'm going to refer to him,since he can't bring himself to actually spell such words as "Christian" and "God") only started this thread in hopes that Christians would bash Wiccans the same way he bashes Christians.How's that working out for you?
You fundies are fixated on that word - dissent becomes "bashing" according to either non-bias or the bias of a religious believer. Right now, you're interjecting your "bashing" of someone, (me), into a wiccan thread while previously claiming to have ignored the poster, (me), who initiated this thread. Besides imparting general information on wicca to contrast the constant xtian proselytizing posts, (and if I'm not proselytizing wica, how can I be "trolling" xtians to bash it?), by "bashing" only one author of such posts and not the others, two fundie xtians have revealed their intent to "bash" the "basher", (sure, it's childish and immature but then, so is xtianty).
You have to wonder about a guy that starts and promotes a thread devoted to a subject he doesn't actually believe in himself.
If you 'enjoyed' that, you're going to love a forthcoming thread about satanism.
Don't do that do an Antitheism !
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I love this thread. I didn't want to start an Wicca thread my self because I didn't want people to bash my religion and me, but there is positive with the negative and I like that. I hope this thread goes far. I'll be reading and posting periodically.
No one should be bashed for what they believe. Especially the person themselves. :)
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I love this thread. I didn't want to start an Wicca thread my self because I didn't want people to bash my religion and me, but there is positive with the negative and I like that. I hope this thread goes far. I'll be reading and posting periodically.
No one should be bashed for what they believe. Especially the person themselves. :)
And yet, that's exactly what you've done in this thread; message ID #584596, 585053, 585055, 585087. Although you make no disctinction between the specious superstitious religious belief and the believer holding such, I do, (albeit a subtle one).
“They (preachers) dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.”
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Don't do that do an Antitheism !
That's a good suggestion for another thread topic thanks, Cuppy.
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Don't do that do an Antitheism !
That's a good suggestion for another thread topic thanks, Cuppy.
I would make one myself but I know you would do a much better job of it ! :)
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I would make one myself but I know you would do a much better job of it ! :)
Maybe not ... it just occurred to me that this thread could have pics of "wiccan" shadow puppets and the more subtle distinctions could still be lost for some, (mostly those of 'other' religious beliefs)
:o
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'The information that goes in to the any particular "book of shawdows" is chosen by the person who owns it. Not all Books of Shadows contain the same information. The following are some popular items that some Pagans write in their Books of Shadows.
•Table of contents
•Spells and other magical workings
•List of stones and their uses
•List of colors and their meanings
•List of herbs and their uses
•Dedications
•Recipes
•Traditions
•Sabbat information
•Invocations and rituals
•The history of the craft
•Meditations
•Pagan symbols and their meanings
There is a lot more information that can go in to a Book of Shadows and the foregoing is not intended as either all-inclusive or, exclusive of such information. A Book of Shadows is often used during magical workings, ceremonies, and rituals but, isn't necessary to such practices.'
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Although alchemy isn't strictly a "wiccan" practice, (in fact, it's considered to be 'hermetic magic'), some wiccans employ alchemical methods.
"In the eyes of a variety of esoteric and Hermetic practitioners, the heart of alchemy is spiritual. Transmutation of lead into gold is presented as an analogy for personal transmutation, purification, and perfection. This approach is often termed 'spiritual', 'esoteric', or 'internal' alchemy."
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
That's your intolerant opinion. My observation, (substantiated by numerous archived posts of xtian proselytizing), is that we don't need any xtian proselytizing propaganda posted either and yet, the forums are spammed with it. This is the solitary "wica" subject matter thread. Only the faith-blinded would be unable to see the difference.
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Tangential segue:
"Q: What is a California Cauldron?
A: Four Pagans in a Hot tub.
Q: How can you tell a blonde pagan closed the circle?
A: There's white-out on the floor.
Q: Why do witches use Brooms?
A: Because nature abhors a vacuum.
Q: What do ya' call 13 Witches in a hot tub?
A: A Self-Cleaning Coven.
Q: What happens when a Ceremonial Magician gets angry?
A: He goes 'Qua-ballistic'.
Q: What do you get when you cross a Zen Buddhist and a Druid?
A: Someone who worships the tree that is not there.
Q: How do you tell a New Age witch from a NeoPagan Witch?
A: You throw them both in the water. The NeoPagan Witch will float, whereas the New Age Witch will sink under the weight of all their overpriced crystals....
Q: Why did the blond pagan have a lasso?
A: She wanted to draw down the moon.
Q: Why did the blond pagan have a remote control?
A: She wanted to try channelling."
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This is interesting, I have always wanted to know about the book of shadows.....
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This is interesting, I have always wanted to know about the book of shadows.....
There can be as many "books of shadows" as there wiccans however, not every wiccan has created their own book of shadows, (there's no 'standard book'). Grimoires, ("spellbooks"), also vary as some "witches" consider themselves as "family traditions" rather than newer age "wica".
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Some witches maintain that 'satanism' is merely inverted xtianity in that the two religions share some common denominators. Others, such as the original Church of Satan and the Temple of Set, (both separately federally-recognised religions), hold that their religious tenets differ significantly enough from xtianity as to not even have inversion in common. Peripherally, wiccans sometimes find themselves having to assure xtians that they aren't satanists, (something many xtians conflate, viewing wicca/witchcraft as equivalent to satanism when they are not).
Conversely, there are some so-called "white-wiccans" who try to straddle the line between xtianity and wicca by claiming to be both, (allegedly "xtian-witches"). This odd concept seems to be the result of wanting to have it both ways. Though I'd find the concepts of a 'satanic buddhist', 'xtian-voudoun' or 'mormon-witch' to be peculiar, apparently such self-declared "xtian-witches" do not.
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
Such xtian bigotry is a damned shame. What if someone suggested that xtian nonsense didn't need to be posted at all?
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'Author Gary Cantrell speaks from personal experience with Wiccans of all ages and degrees of physical ability, bringing you an earnest examination of modern Wiccan beliefs and a practical guide to the Craft of the Wise.'
"Excerpt from Wiccan Beliefs & Practices: With Rituals for Solitaries & Covens:
Before starting down this rather detailed road of definitions, let me be perfectly clear and state that virtually any definition one can attach to the words witch, witchcraft, or Wicca is in many ways dependent on the person making that definition. My own experience has taught me that if you were to ask one dozen people who claim to be Wiccans exactly what that word means, you would probably get at least a half-dozen different answers, and each answer could probably be tied to some acceptable reference source.
This seeming discrepancy is not due to any attempt to mask the truth or to a lack of information among Wiccan practitioners, but is due in large part to the fact that our Craft is growing and diverging today at a phenomenal rate. Many of the newer Wiccan Paths, sometimes referred to as Neo-Wiccan, have evolved with their own definitions or interpretations of these basic words. Their definition of Wicca may not always coincide with that held by the older Anglo-centered, British Traditional forms of Wicca that originated in the United Kingdom.
There are many Traditions of the Old Religion and many Paths within each Tradition. They each differ sufficiently to make even some basic definitions somewhat open to the interpretation of the practitioner.
Read as many sources as you can, do as much research as you can, and do not regard any one source as presenting the pure and unimpeachable truth over all others."
--exerpted from http://herbalmusings.com/wiccan-beliefs-practices.htm
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Regarding "halloween" or, more accurately Samhain; actually it refers to the daylight portion of the holiday in the original pagan usage, on November 1st. Around the eighth century or so, the Catholic Church decided to use November 1st as All Saints Day in order to subsume the pagan celebration and thus co-opt it. All Saints’ became the festival to honor any saint who didn’t already have a day of his or her own. The mass which was said on All Saints’ was called "Allhallowmas" – the mass of all those who are hallowed. The night before naturally became known as All Hallows Eve, and eventually morphed into what we call Halloween.
This attempt at assimulation was not entirely successful as many ignorant xtians continue to hold the notion that samhain is a "devil's holiday".
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
Such xtian bigotry is a damned shame. What if someone suggested that xtian nonsense didn't need to be posted at all?
Well xtian :bs: shouldn't be posted in my honest opinion so it would bother me a bit. ;p
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
Such xtian bigotry is a damned shame. What if someone suggested that xtian nonsense didn't need to be posted at all?
Well xtian :bs: shouldn't be posted in my honest opinion so it would[n't] bother me a bit. ;p
However, by openly posting unsupported religious beliefs, the xtians removed all doubt that these were held in the blindness of their minds.
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
However, isn't it nice that everyone, including that poster, and including you, are free to express their opinions?
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dont think we need wiccan anything posted at all
I don't think we need your opinion at all. Ever.
Such xtian bigotry is a damned shame. What if someone suggested that xtian nonsense didn't need to be posted at all?
Well xtian :bs: shouldn't be posted in my honest opinion so it would bother me a bit. ;p
Isn't it nice that everyone has the opportunity and freedom to express their views on subjects such as Christianity and Wiccan, both? People may not like one or the other, but they shouldn't be blocked or not allowed to post just because someone doesn't agree with or like their choice. Opinions are allowed to be expressed, as well - thank goodness opinions are not acted upon by leaders or our lives would be total chaos and destruction.
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However, isn't it nice that everyone, including that poster, and including you, are free to express their opinions?
There's a qualitive difference between an empty religious opinion, (one which lacks substantive evidentiary basis), and a reasoned conclusion which is based upon substantive evidence, (informed "opinion").
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However, isn't it nice that everyone, including that poster, and including you, are free to express their opinions?
There's a qualitive difference between an empty religious opinion, (one which lacks substantive evidentiary basis), and a reasoned conclusion which is based upon substantive evidence, (informed "opinion").
That has nothing to do with what I was saying in response to what she said. Period. Please leave the hated bias of "religious" out of that because that was not what I was speaking of to her.
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However, isn't it nice that everyone, including that poster, and including you, are free to express their opinions?
There's a qualitive difference between an empty religious opinion, (one which lacks substantive evidentiary basis), and a reasoned conclusion which is based upon substantive evidence, (informed "opinion").
That has nothing to do with what I was saying in response to what she said. Period
On the contrary, she expressed a specious religious opinion which lacks substantive basis so, the remark was contextual, no matter what your inherent religious bias spouts.
Please leave the hated bias of "religious" out of that because that was not what I was speaking of to her.
Apparently, you are unfamiliar with context. In this instance, that context was and is wicca, xtianity and the "freedom" to express opinions, (whether empty or substantiated), regarding either.
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De-Baptism Ceremony:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2008/08/04/scenes-from-an-atheist-de-baptism-ceremony/
Although touted as an "atheist de-baptismal ceremony", this ritual can be performed by anyone, (and is being done increasingly in Europe and America). Back in the day, many pagans would be overtly "converted" to xtianity at the point of a sword but, covertly retain pagan practices which preceded xtianity, (even as the concept of "baptism" was a xtian rip-off of a pagan Mithras practice which occurred nearly a century before there was such a thing as the xtian cult, many pagans conducted "de-baptising" rituals to remove the imposed xtian taint).
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This is meant for "falcon9" ...
As you can see I'm a newbie here and I just can't help but wonder if you an "oldbuddy" are good buds (friends from outside here) or possible co-owners, due to the fact that YOU are allowed to post links to other sites... I thought for-sure this was NOT allowed. Could be he is also atheist and just don't give a ____ (you can fill in the blank) because you are one of the top (if not #1) posters here.
Also I must ask..... Does it burn YOUR tongue (or brain) to say or spell-out Christian and/or Christianity? Every-time I've read your post/reply's/threads it's always "x"ed out ? Why is that ? You have (also) done it within the "Daily Bible Verse" thread and I find it very offensive that you write it that way !!!
Yes, We are all afforded our opinion... This is MINE... I guess I'll see if this gets me booted off FC. I'm sure hopin' not...
Till Then; 4 What Its Worth;
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa239/HappySmith52/OneNationUnderGod.jpg)
~~~Jerry~~~
P.S. Hope I didn't step on any toes "oldbuddy".
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This is meant for "falcon9" ...
In that case, you are specifically trolling this thread by 'calling an FC member out'. If the ramifications of that currently escape you, they may become clearer in time.
As you can see I'm a newbie here and I just can't help but wonder if you an "oldbuddy" are good buds (friends from outside here) or possible co-owners, due to the fact that YOU are allowed to post links to other sites... I thought for-sure this was NOT allowed.
Firstly, I have never met "oldbuddy" and we've had divergent viewpoints subsequent to my arrival years after he'd been a member of FC. Secondly, posting external links which are not beneficial financially for the one posting the link are not specifically prohibited, (as opposed to links which would personally benefit the poster). Additionally, such links have nothing to do with "oldbuddy" and connecting such as justification for your trolling post is specious, (without evidential merit).
Could be he is also atheist and just don't give a ____ (you can fill in the blank) ...
While I have no idea of what his religious beliefs, (if any), may be from what he's posted, once again it bears repeating that such irrelevancies do not support your trolling in this thread, (related to "wiccan" matters), nor any other thread trolled by a xtian, (that would be you).
... because you are one of the top (if not #1) posters here.
Posting levels are directly related to how much a member posts. Few posts mean a member doesn't write much; many posts would mean they do. That's it, there are no other implications to a "newbie" level nor a "platinum" membership level, (which further invalidates your trolling here).
Also I must ask..... Does it burn YOUR tongue (or brain) to say or spell-out Christian and/or Christianity?
Of course not. Is that intended to be some sort of xtian sarcasm or, are you fundamentally serious?
Every-time I've read your post/reply's/threads it's always "x"ed out ? Why is that ?
Both "xtian" and "xtianity" are a xtian convention of abbreviation and carry no inherently positive or negative connotations. Look up the origins of the abbreviations yourself, if this is doubted.
You have (also) done it within the "Daily Bible Verse" thread and I find it very offensive that you write it that way !!!
That's alright since I find the threads containing such incessant bible-thumping proselytizations to be even more offensive, (in that they promote belief systems which have formed the basis for the torture, coercion and murder of others who don't believe in varying brands of religious superstitions). Should this be doubted, look up the inquistitions, crusades, Jones Town, or the Arab-Isreali wars for examples substantiating these contentions. Compared to such attrocities, being offended by a xtian abbreviation is emphatically petty.
Yes, We are all afforded our opinion... This is MINE... I guess I'll see if this gets me booted off FC. I'm sure hopin' not...
Till Then; 4 What Its Worth; [/b]
Although your specious opinion is without evidentiary basis, (and therefore, empty), it won't get you "booted off FC" on that basis alone. Trolling/'calling out' another FC member may earn yourself a temporary ban if Admin decides your remarks merit one. Being a "newbie" only gets a troll so far, after all.
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Is wiccan something you have actually considered, or taken part in? Or do you know someone who wants information in here and you are providing it for their benefit? Do you feel any kind of negativity or curiosity, one way or the other towards it? I'm just asking out of curiosity - thanks.
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Wica, ("wicca"), is a legally-recognised religion in the United States, (as is Setianism and Satanism). As such, there are doubtless wiccans out there or, those interested/curious enough about the subject to warrant informational posts regarding it. Though I've known those who self-declared as wiccans and researched the subject in some depth, I've never been one. This does not preclude commentary or referencing source material in the subject matter.
Is wiccan something you have actually considered, or taken part in? Or do you know someone who wants information in here and you are providing it for their benefit? Do you feel any kind of negativity or curiosity, one way or the other towards it? I'm just asking out of curiosity - thanks.
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Wica, ("wicca"), is a legally-recognised religion in the United States, (as is Setianism and Satanism). As such, there are doubtless wiccans out there or, those interested/curious enough about the subject to warrant informational posts regarding it. Though I've known those who self-declared as wiccans and researched the subject in some depth, I've never been one. This does not preclude commentary or referencing source material in the subject matter.
Is wiccan something you have actually considered, or taken part in? Or do you know someone who wants information in here and you are providing it for their benefit? Do you feel any kind of negativity or curiosity, one way or the other towards it? I'm just asking out of curiosity - thanks.
I'm just curious out of so many, why and how this one is the one you chose to start with.
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I'm just curious out of so many, why and how this one is the one you chose to start with.
There was no specific reason to start with wica; alternative topics could have been initiated regarding any non-xtian religion. As you mention, there are many to choose from so, one was simply chosen.
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I'm just curious out of so many, why and how this one is the one you chose to start with.
There was no specific reason to start with wica; alternative topics could have been initiated regarding any non-xtian religion. As you mention, there are many to choose from so, one was simply chosen.
Okay, thank you!
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I'm just curious out of so many, why and how this one is the one you chose to start with.
There was no specific reason to start with wica; alternative topics could have been initiated regarding any non-xtian religion. As you mention, there are many to choose from so, one was simply chosen.
Okay, thank you!
Yep. There may be a thread on "Zoroastrianism" a a precursor to islam next ... or another parallel.
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Equal time for all religions I say! I am not a wiccan but love to study different religions. Your presentation was well thought out rather than some of the gibberish spewed by 700 Club followers(LOL!). I only have one friend that follows wiccan beliefs and she is dating a strict catholic who is trying to change her ways. To each his own. I think that the boyfriend is offensive for wanting to change her beliefs. Almost as offensive as the door to door religious folk who feel that converting me is their mission in life. I like to study different religions at my own pace and your approach is well done. Please continue in the future!
I too feel that we should each be able to follow out own religions without others damning us to hell for it!! I am a Gnostic Christian but I have been studying other religions as well. I have a certain respect for Wiccan. I love that they respect nature and that they believe in reincarnation. I too believe in reincarnation and feel that I have had many lives.
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I'm just curious out of so many, why and how this one is the one you chose to start with.
There was no specific reason to start with wica; alternative topics could have been initiated regarding any non-xtian religion. As you mention, there are many to choose from so, one was simply chosen.
Okay, thank you!
Yep. There may be a thread on "Zoroastrianism" a a precursor to islam next ... or another parallel.
I had to look that one up. This is one that's not highly heard of, for sure.
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Cool. Bring on the power of nature!!
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I had to look that one up. This is one that's not highly heard of, for sure.
At one time, Zorastrianism was a major world religion, based in the Persian Empire. Barring any revivalism, it isn't widely practised in its original form nowadays.
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I am a Gnostic Christian but I have been studying other religions as well. I have a certain respect for Wiccan. I love that they respect nature and that they believe in reincarnation. I too believe in reincarnation and feel that I have had many lives.
Some xtians and non-xtians alike have maintained that wica is "merely xtianity with t-i-t-s". Though crudely-put, there is some basis for such a contention. This is largely due to many wiccans being former xtians and being unwillingly to choose one side of the 'fence' and so, keep one foot on either side.
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I am a wiccan and hide it because people think we deal in black majic and some do. I stay away from the black majic. Nature needs everyone no matter what your religion you are :)
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I am a wiccan and hide it because people think we deal in black majic and some do. I stay away from the black majic. Nature needs everyone no matter what your religion you are :)
I'm dubious, (mainly because of how your spelled "magic". Twice). Are you coven-initiated or, self-initiated?
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The Fall equinox, or Mabon, is one of the sabbats of the Wiccan religion, as well as a key focal point in the traditions of other Pagans. Originally "the second harvest", Mabon denotes the autumnal seasonal change around September 21st in the northern hemisphere, (and around March 21st in the southern hemisphere).
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The Fall equinox, or Mabon, is one of the sabbats of the Wiccan religion, as well as a key focal point in the traditions of other Pagans. Originally "the second harvest", Mabon denotes the autumnal seasonal change around September 21st in the northern hemisphere, (and around March 21st in the southern hemisphere).
Happy Autumn! :)
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The Fall equinox, or Mabon, is one of the sabbats of the Wiccan religion, as well as a key focal point in the traditions of other Pagans. Originally "the second harvest", Mabon denoted the autumnal seasonal change around September 21st in the northern hemisphere, (and around March 21st in the southern hemisphere).
Happy Autumn! :)
Here's to gas prices falling like leaves.
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"The medieval church of the 15th through 18th centuries created these myths to convert the followers of the old nature based religions to the church's way of thinking. By making the Witch into a diabolical character and turning the old religious deities into devils and demons, the missionaries were able to attach fear to these beliefs which aided in the conversion process."
This practice actually had begun much earlier with the hebrews demonizing an Aegyptian neteru, ('g-dform'), "Set-hen" which represented desert storms and foreign borders, (among other aspects), into 'Sa-tan'. 'Set-hen', (or "St-hn", as the Aegyptians didn't use vowels), is translated as "majesty of Set" and had nothing whatsoever to do with the judiac 'satan' concept until well after judio-xtianity began its assimulation and revisionism pogram.
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"Wicca is the largest of the Neopagan religions. Wiccans have great reverence for the Earth and for their g-ddess and her consort, the horned
g-d. Their main rule of behavior is the Wiccan Rede which forbids them from harming people, including themselves, except in some cases of self-defense.
Many, perhaps most, are solitary practitioners. Others form small groups of believers, called covens, groves, etc. Because of centuries of religious propaganda and misinformation, many conservative xtians, and others, associate Wiccans with satanists even though the two belief systems are as different as xtianity and [the non-belief] of atheism.
Wicca is a very decentralized religion; many Wiccans develop their own beliefs, rituals, and other practices. The latter are often not known outside the solitary practitioner or Wiccan coven. Wiccans do not recognise nor worship the xtian satan or, any form similar to such an entity."
-- excerpted from http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_intr.htm
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Christians don't worship Satan; and Satan is not Christian. I just wanted to clarify that from the one comment posted about "xtain Satan."
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Christians don't worship Satan; and Satan is not Christian. I just wanted to clarify that from the one comment posted about "xtain Satan."
Then you are being intentionally deceptive since the xtian "satan" is allegedly "lucifer", (the first "archangel"). These are xtian religious concepts; no one stated xtians worshipped satan so, that's a specious strawman counter to something never claimed, (also a dishonest debate technique which was abruptly abandoned previous to your reanimation of that logical fallacy).
Thanks for coming into a thread just to troll it moments after getting refuted in the 'biblical' threads.
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Christians don't worship Satan; and Satan is not Christian. I just wanted to clarify that from the one comment posted about "xtain Satan."
Then you are being intentionally deceptive since the xtian "satan" is allegedly "lucifer", (the first "archangel"). These are xtian religious concepts; no one stated xtians worshipped satan so, that's a specious strawman counter to something never claimed, (also a dishonest debate technique which was abruptly abandoned previous to your reanimation of that logical fallacy).
Thanks for coming into a thread just to troll it moments after getting refuted in the 'biblical' threads.
I'm saying that Satan is not a Christian, and I'm also clarifying from a c/p post you did (which you don't like Christians to do...) that speaks of Satan as of a Christian. I was clarifying that Christians do not worship Satan and that he is not a Christian since he chose to rebel against God.
C/P from Falcon:
"Wicca is a very decentralized religion; many Wiccans develop their own beliefs, rituals, and other practices. The latter are often not known outside the solitary practitioner or Wiccan coven. Wiccans do not recognise nor worship the xtian satan or, any form similar to such an entity."
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Thanks for coming into a thread just to troll it moments after getting refuted in the 'biblical' threads.
I'm saying that Satan is not a Christian, and I'm also clarifying from a c/p post you did (which you don't like Christians to do...) that speaks of Satan as of a Christian. I was clarifying that Christians do not worship Satan and that he is not a Christian since he chose to rebel against God.
C/P from Falcon:
"Wicca is a very decentralized religion; many Wiccans develop their own beliefs, rituals, and other practices. The latter are often not known outside the solitary practitioner or Wiccan coven. Wiccans do not recognise nor worship the xtian satan or, any form similar to such an entity."
To clarify your misrepresentation; "satan" is a xtian CONCEPT; that is not equivalent to stating that "satan is a xtian". Further, "satan" is not a wiccan concept, not is "satan" wiccan. The first "worship" of the "satan concept" arose from catholic priests, (who had been self-declared xtians prior to inverting xtian practices to "worship" a former xtian "archangel").
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All of it is so ridiculous. Worshiping a mystical being or worshiping a plant.
Live well and be good to each other and yourself. We would all be better off for it.
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"This is the text of the Gardnerian Book of Shadows. In one sense, this is the central sacred text of the Wicca religion. However, it is important to point out that there is no 'official' Book of Shadows. Typically each coven has a hand-written copy of a Book of Shadows, sometimes in cypher or code, which reflects its own practices and knowledge. This particular text is derived from a file posted on the Internet in the early 90s, and quotes previously published material which was known to be in use by Gardner and his group.
The Book of Shadows was attributed by Gardner to an ancient, clandestine witch cult, which he claimed to have been initiated into.
However, modern researchers have concluded that it was composed by Gardner. The text shows influences from English and Celtic Folk-lore, the Enochian system of John Dee, Thelema, the Golden Dawn, Stregaria, Tantric Yoga, the KJV Bible and even Kipling. This version organizes the material in chronological order and has estimated dates for each section, ranging from 1949 to 1961."
-- http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gbos/index.htm
It is not wise to dabble in the dark arts. It could come back to haunt you.
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"This is the text of the Gardnerian Book of Shadows. In one sense, this is the central sacred text of the Wicca religion. However, it is important to point out that there is no 'official' Book of Shadows. Typically each coven has a hand-written copy of a Book of Shadows, sometimes in cypher or code, which reflects its own practices and knowledge. This particular text is derived from a file posted on the Internet in the early 90s, and quotes previously published material which was known to be in use by Gardner and his group.
The Book of Shadows was attributed by Gardner to an ancient, clandestine witch cult, which he claimed to have been initiated into.
However, modern researchers have concluded that it was composed by Gardner. The text shows influences from English and Celtic Folk-lore, the Enochian system of John Dee, Thelema, the Golden Dawn, Stregaria, Tantric Yoga, the KJV Bible and even Kipling. This version organizes the material in chronological order and has estimated dates for each section, ranging from 1949 to 1961."
-- http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gbos/index.htm
It is not wise to dabble in the dark arts. It could come back to haunt you.
This thread contains, (mainly), informational posts regarding "wicca", not "the dark arts". Since you've chosen to characterize others who practice a federally-recognised religion as 'dabbling' "in the dark arts", it is suggested that 'dabbling' in the blind faith of judeo-xtianity can inflict a diminished ability to reason, (as evinced by your reply), and such things as the crusades, inquisitions and witch hunts.
I'm not wiccan however, those who are have just as much freedom to discuss it as the numerous and multiple xtian thumpers have to promote their religious superstitions.
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I really don't think much of Wiccan but to each his own, I guess.
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I really don't think much of Wiccan but to each his own, I guess.
Apparently not since it's "wica", (a "wiccan" is someone who is practices wica). That's alright, I don't think much of judeo-xtianity either.
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"The Witch's New Year:
Sunset on Samhain, (what the mundane call "halloween"), is the beginning of the Celtic New Year. Samhain is a Gaelic festival marking the end of the harvest season and the beginning of winter or the "darker half" of the year. Most commonly it is held on 31 October–1 November, or halfway between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice. Samhain (like Beltane) was seen as a time when the "door" to the Otherworld opened enough for the souls of the dead, and other beings, to come into our world. Feasts were had, at which the souls of dead kin were beckoned to attend and a place set at the table for them. It has thus been likened to a festival of the dead. People also took steps to protect themselves from harmful spirits, which is thought to have led to the custom of guising. This "guising", or disguising may have lead to the more recent halloween costuming.
"Día de los Muertos", (Day of the Dead), is a Mexican holiday celebrated throughout Mexico and around the world in other cultures. Scholars trace the origins of the modern Mexican holiday to indigenous observances dating back hundreds of years and to an Aztec festival dedicated to the goddess Mictecacihuatl."
-- wikipedia
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"General principles of Wiccan beliefs:
Wicca is an almost completely decentralized religion. George Knowles, a Wiccan author, has said: "“Wicca has no high authority, no single leader, no prophet and no Bible to dictate its laws and beliefs”. 1 Many, perhaps most, Wiccans are solitary practitioners. Others form small local groups called covens, groves, etc. Thus, there probably are almost as many sets of Wiccan beliefs as there are Wiccans.
However, in 1973, a group of about 73 representatives from many Wiccan paths and traditions met in Minneapolis to form a temporary "Council of American Witches" under the leadership of Carl Llewellyn Weschcke, of the well known Llewellyn publishing house that specializes in books dealing with alternative health and healing, astrology, earth-based religions, shamanism, Gnostic Christianity, Kabbalah, etc. The group successfully created a set of beliefs that harmonized the beliefs of the many Wiccan traditions in the U.S. at the time. The group disbanded shortly afterwards. However their 13 principles are still endorsed by many American Wiccans.
Of particular interest are:
Principle #2 which stresses the importance of care of the environment. Recall that this statement was prepared over four decades ago.
Principle #4 which affirms the equality of women and men. It briefly touches on sex magick. These are a belief and practice foreign to many of today's organized religions who continue to denigrate women and fear human sexuality.
Principle #10 refers to the intense opposition and oppression experienced by many Wiccans at the time, typically from conservative Christians. This culminated in a lynching of a Wiccan, and two fundamentalist Christian pastors calling for government programs of genocide to wipe out Wiccans. This hatred has largely faded since these principles were written."
-- http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_beli.htm
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"This is the text of the Gardnerian Book of Shadows. In one sense, this is the central sacred text of the Wicca religion. However, it is important to point out that there is no 'official' Book of Shadows. Typically each coven has a hand-written copy of a Book of Shadows, sometimes in cypher or code, which reflects its own practices and knowledge. This particular text is derived from a file posted on the Internet in the early 90s, and quotes previously published material which was known to be in use by Gardner and his group.
The Book of Shadows was attributed by Gardner to an ancient, clandestine witch cult, which he claimed to have been initiated into.
However, modern researchers have concluded that it was composed by Gardner. The text shows influences from English and Celtic Folk-lore, the Enochian system of John Dee, Thelema, the Golden Dawn, Stregaria, Tantric Yoga, the KJV Bible and even Kipling. This version organizes the material in chronological order and has estimated dates for each section, ranging from 1949 to 1961."
-- http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gbos/index.htm
It is not wise to dabble in the dark arts. It could come back to haunt you.
ROFLMAO! Are you for real ?
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Interesting...
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Interesting...
What is? Your remark was unconnected to any specific comment/post.
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Interesting...
What is? Your remark was unconnected to any specific comment/post.
The general principles you listed...