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i was raised to tell the truth no matter what and i can seeing little white lies that some people tell but i know for a fact that if you lie it will come back to bite you in the rear
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I was also raised to tell the truth even when the truth is bad. Honesty is always the best policy.
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
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People lie because they are afraid to face the truth and the consequences that follow. Im speaking from experience. Some people say they want to hear the truth of a story but when you tell them they cant handle. As far as infidelity people lie in fear of hurting their spouse. Lies hurt just as bad as the truth can.
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People lie because they are afraid to face the truth and the consequences that follow. Im speaking from experience. Some people say they want to hear the truth of a story but when you tell them they cant handle.
That's exactly the case with the xtian belief systems; such "faith" is a lie they tell themselves, (because there is no factual basis/evidence for such beliefs). They seem to object to and shy away from this being mentioned because they apparently cannot process reasoning which invalidates their non-reasoning, (hence, the self-deluding lie of blind faith).
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They lie to cover other lies!
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They lie to cover other lies!
That would account for bible thumping believers then.
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People lie because they are afraid to face the truth and the consequences that follow. Im speaking from experience. Some people say they want to hear the truth of a story but when you tell them they cant handle. As far as infidelity people lie in fear of hurting their spouse. Lies hurt just as bad as the truth can.
I'm with you on this one. It's better to hear the truth from that person than to hear it from someone else. It still is going to hurt but not as much.
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Everyone lies. Some people lie to make sure people's feelings don't get hurt like telling a kid their cat when to live with an old man who needed the company instead of telling them he was splattered all over the road by some idiot teenager. =-P
The majority of people tell exaggerated lies such as beefing themselves up for a job interview.
Then there's the career liars, who tell lies so they not only take advantage of people, but sometimes lie just to sharpen their skills. Out of all the liars, those are really the only ones that I'd be wary of when it comes to people. I'd say those people have no moral code except to curb stomp other people who could potentially get in their way in life. :-X
Either way, everyone lies. This isn't something new. I'd just get use to dealing with it.
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Yes I agree, everyone tells lies at one time in their life. Its a shame a person has to at times but its life. I was brought up to not tell lies as well. But..... sometimes you have to protect someone else. Honesty is the best policy however. Good luck all at being HONEST. :)
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This is sorta a mixed bag for me. I was taught to tell the truth, but there is a difference between being brutally honest and sorta sugar coating it. From my experience, people tend to either be brutally honest ("those pants make your butt look like two pigs trying to escape") or lie a bit to sorta lessen the blow ("they're kinda tight, might just be marked the wrong size"). Personally, I would prefer people talk the second way, because it seems people are brutally honest just so they can be rude and get away with it.
Other people tend to lie to benefit themselves. Either to cover up something they did, to make themselves look better, cause they can, etc. Why people do things is always up for debate and we will never know their true intentions.
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People lie for a lot of reasons. Sometimes people lie for worrying about offending someone, because they're embarassed to say the truth or maybe they want something to sound more exciting than what really happened.
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I do my best to be honest; however, I've caught myself lying if someone asks me a question....
when the truth is none of their business.
Sometimes it's easier to lie to someone than to be honest enough to tell them that they've over stepped the boundries.
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People lie to avoid the negative consequences associated with the truth. :wave: :wave: :wave:
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People lie because the truth will either make them appear a way they don't want to, put them in risk of losing something they value, or they're just habitual liars and it comes naturally so they lie when they don't even have to.
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I think that most people tell lies to cover up thier faults, or to avoid facing the truths. When you start to tell white lies, it leads to stealing. I always try to tell the truth,because you never know when it comes :crybaby2: around to bite you.
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I could only guess...? because they are raised that way? Maybe Habit? Cant face the truth, hiding or always doing wrong..?
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I always try to tell the truth but some people just cant. They are afraid to hurt somones feelings or get in trouble. "A little lie never hurt anyone, right?" I am pretty sure that is what they are thinking until they create a HUGE lie.
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Because I don't lie, there are those who lie by rote to your face every time. I hate liars and with the most basic and simple question they lie and look you in the eye so innocently.
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There are the obvious reasons for lying in contemporary/the "outside world" society but for those "white liars" they basically lie for people who can't speak for themselves which in turn gives other people more reason to hide the truth through lies. Even though some of you hate liars, a lot your favorite stories, movies, and even inventions came as a result of "lies". If you hate liars then do you hate people who cannot speak up or people who do not talk at all? I do not favor lies but I can at least understand why some people need to express themselves in that manor.
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For people who constantly tell big lies it is to create a mask of who they want you to think they are to cover the person they really are. I say lies are like icebergs- for every one you find out, there are 9 under the surface. If you start to see someone is a liar BEWARE!!! RUN!!!!
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My best guess is to avoid the truth. But it reminds me of the song "I would lie to you for your love." The chorus always sticks in my mind, "I am an astronaut, I am a movie star, a doctor, a lawyer and I own this bar. And I would lie to you for your love!"
If guys only knew how much women hate being lied too. Oh well.
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If guys only knew how much women hate being lied too. Oh well.
Undoubtedly you're aware that women lie to men as well, (and 'appreciate' it as much as women do).
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From what I've seen women tend to lie more than men, and they're usually more malicious about it. I've had plenty of trouble from female co-workers in the past who tried to lie about stuff. I had two chicks try to get my boss fired by saying he made sexual advances towards them. Everyone knew it was a bunch of bs, but LOW AND BEHOLD if they got him fired one of those two were next in line for his job. Go figure. =-P
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From what I've seen women tend to lie more than men, and they're usually more malicious about it. I've had plenty of trouble from female co-workers in the past who tried to lie about stuff. I had two chicks try to get my boss fired by saying he made sexual advances towards them. Everyone knew it was a bunch of bs, but LOW AND BEHOLD if they got him fired one of those two were next in line for his job. Go figure. =-P
Yes, I've observed that exact situation occurring in three different work environments. In each instance, false accusations, (no substantiating evidence to support them), were made. In two of the instances, the women were found to be lying and their jobs were terminated. In the otehr occurrance, the man's job was terminated and he proceded to file a civil suit against the company. I'm aware of this because I testified against the lying woman via deposition in support of the co-worker's suit. The company lost the litigation and my co-worker was obtained a $100,000 judgement award.
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
Pity... There you go picking on people who were not even discussing religion. You poor thing - you really do need to chill and let conversations carry on in the topic of things. You just cannot keep "religion" out of your head. You are showing how biased and prejudiced you are to only certain kinds of people - that's a no-no...
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"I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him."
~Abraham Lincoln~
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
There you go picking on people who were not even discussing religion.
The context of this thread is "lying". As such, the observation that xtians lie to themselves by holding blind faith is a contextual example of lying.
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
There you go picking on people who were not even discussing religion.
The context of this thread is "lying". As such, the observation that xtians lie to themselves by holding blind faith is a contextual example of lying.
That's only because you have an issue with believers and their faith, and cannot let it go. The Lincoln quote is now quoted in your honor.
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
There you go picking on people who were not even discussing religion.
The context of this thread is "lying". As such, the observation that xtians lie to themselves by holding blind faith is a contextual example of lying.
That's only because you have an issue with believers and their faith, and cannot let it go. The Lincoln quote is now quoted in your honor.
That Lincoln quote applies more to those who make religious assertions and do not support them with factual evidence than to those who challenge such empty assertions of circular blind faith.
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Many of them lie because they're xtians and used to lying to themselves.
There you go picking on people who were not even discussing religion.
The context of this thread is "lying". As such, the observation that xtians lie to themselves by holding blind faith is a contextual example of lying.
That's only because you have an issue with believers and their faith, and cannot let it go. The Lincoln quote is now quoted in your honor.
That Lincoln quote applies more to those who make religious assertions and do not support them with factual evidence than to those who challenge such empty assertions of circular blind faith.
Well if that makes you feel better, then you just go right ahead and think that. We want you to be happy. ::)
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Does your passive-aggressive faux patronizing make you feel better about holding blind religious faith?
Well if that makes you feel better, then you just go right ahead and think that. We want you to be happy. ::)
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Does your passive-aggressive faux patronizing make you feel better about holding blind religious faith?
Well if that makes you feel better, then you just go right ahead and think that. We want you to be happy. ::)
Your choice of words, "passive-aggressive faux patronizing" is a typical response from you, as well. It's just not worth the key strokes to actually argue with you - you can't handle not being in control of the conversations, so it just seems to be a good thing to keep you feeling happy and like you are in control. ;)
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Your choice of words, "passive-aggressive faux patronizing" is a typical response from you, as well. It's just not worth the key strokes to actually argue with you -
Your inability to actually "argue", (that is, formulate rational rebuttals), is beyond my control. Presumably, it's a result of poor education and/or diminished native capabilities. If it weren't, you wouldn't waste keystrokes giving an excuse in lieu of an actual 'argument'.
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Your choice of words, "passive-aggressive faux patronizing" is a typical response from you, as well. It's just not worth the key strokes to actually argue with you -
Your inability to actually "argue", (that is, formulate rational rebuttals), is beyond my control. Presumably, it's a result of poor education and/or diminished native capabilities. If it weren't, you wouldn't waste keystrokes giving an excuse in lieu of an actual 'argument'.
You can't debate and discuss faith in God with someone who refuses to have an open mind within that discussion. I don't care to "argue" religion, politics, social issues, etc., but am interested in a good debate/discussion about them. Both sides have to be willing to discuss ideas, questions, challenges (not facetious), etc., but this is one area, that honestly, you cannot do and will not do. There's no need going on and on with someone who refuses to listen and talk, and instead, is intolerant and has to use words such as "irrational, delusional, hypocritical, liar, etc." and post quotes/pictures of ridicule and mockery. Those are not rules for debate and you should know this, unless you haven't studied debates, took debate classes, participated in actual school/college/local debates, etc.
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You can't debate and discuss faith in God with someone who refuses to have an open mind within that discussion.
Conversely, you can't discuss and debate such "faith in g-d" with someone blinded by that faith and thus, has closed their mind to the rationality of reasoning. If someone is unable or unwilling to present evidence to support their religiously-based claims, they are the ones forestalling discussion/debate in that regard.
I don't care to "argue" religion, politics, social issues, etc., but am interested in a good debate/discussion about them. Both sides have to be willing to discuss ideas, questions, challenges (not facetious), etc., but this is one area, that honestly, you cannot do and will not do.
False. I have repeatedly requested substantiating evidence for various faith-based claims made by religious adherents and these have been repeated dodged by those religious adherents. Discussion does not consist of merely making empty religious declarations and having other religious adherents post knee-jerk agreement to their own blind faith. Instead, challenges and dissenting viewpoints often characterize such contentious subjects as religion and politics.
There's no need going on and on with someone who refuses to listen and talk, and instead, is intolerant and has to use words such as "irrational, delusional, hypocritical, liar, etc." and post quotes/pictures of ridicule and mockery. Those are not rules for debate and you should know this, unless you haven't studied debates, took debate classes, participated in actual school/college/local debates, etc.
At first, (and even more recently), several attempts were made to elicit rational debate/logical rebuttals however, irrational faith-based circular illogic was received in lieu of such debate/discussion. Apparently, it is you and others of your religious ilk who remains unaware of even the informal structure of debate, burden of proof obligation, logical syllogisms, deduction, inference and other elements of logical debate. I'm only informally aware of the elements of illogical "debate", (since that's largely a misnomer), to which you cling.
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I think it depends. people often say the truth is always best, but that isn't always the case. a person should be told the truth when it benefits them not just to let the guilty party feel better about themselves. For example say you go to a reunion each year and great aunt Betty bakes an apple pie and has each year.Let's say you think the pie is horrendous. Now great aunt Betty is 87 years old are you really going to tell her now that you can't stand her apple pie? No most likely you are going to take a bite, choke it down, smile and say it's just as good as always.Then secretly toss the rest out lol. That to me is an example of when the lie is better than the truth.
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You can't debate and discuss faith in God with someone who refuses to have an open mind within that discussion.
Conversely, you can't discuss and debate such "faith in g-d" with someone blinded by that faith and thus, has closed their mind to the rationality of reasoning. If someone is unable or unwilling to present evidence to support their religiously-based claims, they are the ones forestalling discussion/debate in that regard.
I don't care to "argue" religion, politics, social issues, etc., but am interested in a good debate/discussion about them. Both sides have to be willing to discuss ideas, questions, challenges (not facetious), etc., but this is one area, that honestly, you cannot do and will not do.
False. I have repeatedly requested substantiating evidence for various faith-based claims made by religious adherents and these have been repeated dodged by those religious adherents. Discussion does not consist of merely making empty religious declarations and having other religious adherents post knee-jerk agreement to their own blind faith. Instead, challenges and dissenting viewpoints often characterize such contentious subjects as religion and politics.
There's no need going on and on with someone who refuses to listen and talk, and instead, is intolerant and has to use words such as "irrational, delusional, hypocritical, liar, etc." and post quotes/pictures of ridicule and mockery. Those are not rules for debate and you should know this, unless you haven't studied debates, took debate classes, participated in actual school/college/local debates, etc.
At first, (and even more recently), several attempts were made to elicit rational debate/logical rebuttals however, irrational faith-based circular illogic was received in lieu of such debate/discussion. Apparently, it is you and others of your religious ilk who remains unaware of even the informal structure of debate, burden of proof obligation, logical syllogisms, deduction, inference and other elements of logical debate. I'm only informally aware of the elements of illogical "debate", (since that's largely a misnomer), to which you cling.
You just proved my points. You are never wrong, to you, and refuse to discuss things logically. I am very well aware, since taking classes, debating, observing, etc., what and how to do a debate. Your "attempts" to elicit "rational debate/logical rebuttals" would make perfect sense, if the eliciting was done rationally, logically, tolerant, and open-minded, without the mockery, ridicule, nonsense quotes and pictures, etc. That's the part you don't seem to either understand or choose to refuse to do.
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You just proved my points.
Your assertion is unsupported by facts. These are available in the previous posts; none of which "prove" your points however, they were mentioned in support of my contentions regarding informal, (and formal), debate.
You ... refuse to discuss things logically.
If that's your conclusion, it isn't logically-based on the numerous posts of mine which serve as evidence to the contrary. That makes it a specious opinion.
I am very well aware, since taking classes, debating, observing, etc., what and how to do a debate.
Is it to be assumed you didn't pass such classes or, have forgotten what was taught in them by now?
Your "attempts" to elicit "rational debate/logical rebuttals" would make perfect sense, if the eliciting was done rationally, logically ...
That was done; are you feigning short-term memory loss or, is it extant?
... without the mockery, ridicule, nonsense quotes and pictures, etc. That's the part you don't seem to either understand or choose to refuse to do.
As previously mentioned, the alternate response came after prior attempts to elicit rational debate/logical rebuttals failed to elicit them. That's the part you apparently continue to have trouble with; the actual sequence of events.
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jcribb16 :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: falcon9
MOMMY~DADDY STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!
Just kiss & makeup already! :peace::thumbsup: :wave: :peace:
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jcribb16 :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: falcon9
MOMMY~DADDY STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!
Just kiss & makeup already! :peace::thumbsup: :wave: :peace:
Ewww - not kiss!!! Please not!!!! My hubby and his girlfriend might would have something to say about that - and I'm not getting in trouble!! :o
I love your post, though, lol! :thumbsup:
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jcribb16 :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: falcon9
MOMMY~DADDY STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!
Just kiss & makeup already! :peace::thumbsup: :wave: :peace:
An alternative solution would be for you to go to your room, crank up the music and chuckle like I did in the sure knowledge that we aren't your parents.
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jcribb16 :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: falcon9
MOMMY~DADDY STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!
Just kiss & makeup already! :peace::thumbsup: :wave: :peace:
An alternative solution would be for you to go to your room, crank up the music and chuckle like I did in the sure knowledge that we aren't your parents.
Oh, yeah, that's right! I missed that one, lol! Good idea!