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There are five reasons why Christ has to return:
(1) - Jesus must come back because of the promises of the Old Testament that have yet to be fulfilled. Scores of prophecies were fulfilled concerning His First Coming. But some prophecies still remain to be fulfilled. For example, the Scripture says, "The government shall be upon his shoulder. ... Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever."(Isaiah 9:6-7)
That Scripture has not been fulfilled. The government is not yet upon His shoulder. Jesus did not bring world peace in His First Coming, nor did He bring world justice. But He will bring it the second time, because the Scripture teaches that all prophecies will be fulfilled. (Ezekiel 12:23-28).
In Micah the prophet says, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."(Micah 4:3) Consider the wars that are being fought now. Some day, however, people will make spears into pruninghooks, and nations will not lift up swords against nations. Why? Because the Prince of Peace is coming back--He's going to be the world ruler.
*(2) - Jesus Christ has to return because of His own statements. He is absolute truth. The Bible says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."(Matthew 24:27) This prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, but I believe it will be, because He said it.
Jesus didn't lie to us. He said, "I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."(John 14:2-3) The Lord Jesus Himself is coming back! That's how much He loves us. He gives us a new life here, but He also has a great plan for the future. For eternity!
The Bible says that we are joint heirs with the Lord Jesus Christ and that we will spend eternity with Him. What is He doing now? He is preparing a home for us who love Him. It has been 2,000 years. What a home it must be!
*(3) - Jesus Christ must come back because of the present position of Satan. The devil is the most powerful being in all the world, except for God Himself. The Bible says that the devil is called "the god of this world."(2Corinthians 4:4) That means that he's the director of the false religions and philosophies of the world. Humanity is helpless before him. Mankind is unable to chain him. The churches cannot dethrone him. Legislation is impotent in dealing with the enormous power of evil in the world.
But let's not forget one fact. There is One who is more powerful than Satan is.This One defeated Satan 2,000 years ago on the cross. Satan suffered his greatest defeat at the cross and in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But the devil is still loose, still in charge of the evil that is in the world: All the injustices, all the wars, all the crime, all the wickedness, all the terrible things, in the world.
There's only one Person in heaven or on earth who can deal with the devil, and He's coming back to throw Satan into the bottomless pit and ultimately into the lake of fire. Then we will be freed from this terrible pull of evil and the satanic power that has controlled the hearts of people for all these centuries. That's why Christ has to come. He's the only One who can deliver us. And the world is looking for a deliverer.
*(4) - Jesus Christ must return because of the present chaos in the world--our world is racked with pain, suffering, hunger, war, murder, lust, greed, hate, fraud, corruption. Human government seems to be unsuccessful in dealing with these problems. The world is becoming more and more helpless and hopeless in this technological age. Many sociologists and scientists believe we have the capability to destroy ourselves. And we can.
But the Scripture says, "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompense; he will come and save you."(Isaiah 35:4) Jesus Christ will save us and set up His Kingdom of righteousness and glory and peace and justice. And what a world that's going to be! Will you be ready?
*(5) - Jesus Christ must come back because of the dead in Christ--those people who died believing in God and trusting Him. When Jesus comes back, there will be a great resurrection and the believers will be raised from the dead, and the believers who are alive will be caught up in the air to be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
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There are five reasons why Christ has to return:
On the contrary, religious speculations based upon superstitious blind faith have nothing whatsoever to do with "reason". Reason involves logical/rational thought processes and valid evidence. Religious speculations avoid logical/rational thought processes and eschew evidence, ("belief" being a contention which lacks substantive evidence). 'Biblical' hearsay does not constitute substantive evidence, especially when the source referenced claims the same source is its own basis, (an illogical and circular premise).
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This is why i do not like to get involved with bible talk, even though i am a christian and believe in God and his word, but i do not have time to debate the word with people who don't believe in God or his word, because the battle over God word is not mines, it is the lord and he will reveal the truth to all human on earth, with his coming. I am just to spread his word as his humble servant, he said if i try to tell someone about him and his son and his word and they do not listen, not to be offended and brush it off and leave that house or that person and not go there anymore, and woe to that person who do not listen to that servant that brings the word on, it will be something for that person on Judgement Day and that day is surely coming. We will be held accountable for every little word we utter or did on earth. I am not going no further than this, everyone should read the word for themselves so they will not be deceived by anyone, there's a lot of false prophets in the world right now teaching false docturines. The word says even some of his elects will be deceived as well.
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Amen We can't debate over God's word. God we just have to pray that people believe and trust his word and always look towards him for his help always. :thumbsup:
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This is why i do not like to get involved with bible talk, even though i am a christian and believe in God and his word, but i do not have time to debate the word with people who don't believe in God or his word, because the battle over God word is not mines, it is the lord and he will reveal the truth to all human on earth, with his coming.
So, you're saying that you'll only make unsupported religious declarations which you have no intention of substantiating, (proselytizing/propagandizing), by debating them?
I am just to spread his word as his humble servant ...
That's proselytizing and propagandizing; which some non-xtians find to be extremely offensive and pretentious ... and you're okay with being offensive?
The word says even some of his elects will be deceived as well.
Moreso than such "elect", (religious zealots), would care to admit.
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I am not asking you are anyone else to agree with my logic or my knowledge of the word, to each his own opinion, your entitled to it and i have no problem with you seeing it any other way, we all see things in our own level of understanding or belief. So thanks for your response and may you be bless. Patricia.
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I am not asking you are anyone else to agree with my logic ...
Though you've presented no logic to agree with, what was disagreed with was your illogical declarations, (since they have no evidentiary basis and are instead, based upon blind faith/empty belief).
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falcon9 just loves all this negative attention! ;) :binkybaby:
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This isn't one of the two calling-out threads started by xtian trolls and locked by Admin so, you're in the wrong thread for that.
falcon9 just loves all this negative attention! ;) :binkybaby:
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This is why i do not like to get involved with bible talk, even though i am a christian and believe in God and his word, but i do not have time to debate the word with people who don't believe in God or his word, because the battle over God word is not mines, it is the lord and he will reveal the truth to all human on earth, with his coming.
So, you're saying that you'll only make unsupported religious declarations which you have no intention of substantiating, (proselytizing/propagandizing), by debating them?
I am just to spread his word as his humble servant ...
That's proselytizing and propagandizing; which some non-xtians find to be extremely offensive and pretentious ... and you're okay with being offensive?
The word says even some of his elects will be deceived as well.
Moreso than such "elect", (religious zealots), would care to admit.
Just say no and move on. It's not that hard.
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Just say no and move on. It's not that hard.
What, and let such religious fundamentalism be promoted without opposition? Doubtless you fundie xtians would prefer suppression and restriction to dissenting viewpoints.
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Just say no and move on. It's not that hard.
What, and let such religious fundamentalism be promoted without opposition? Doubtless you fundie xtians would prefer suppression and restriction to dissenting viewpoints.
Poor thing...
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Just say no and move on. It's not that hard.
What, and let such religious fundamentalism be promoted without opposition? Doubtless you fundie xtians would prefer suppression and restriction to dissenting viewpoints.
Poor thing...
Condescension doesn't work for fundie flying at a lower altitude than the non-xtians they're trying to be insulting to.
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Just say no and move on. It's not that hard.
What, and let such religious fundamentalism be promoted without opposition? Doubtless you fundie xtians would prefer suppression and restriction to dissenting viewpoints.
Poor thing...
Condescension doesn't work for fundie flying at a lower altitude than the non-xtians they're trying to be insulting to.
False. Once again, thanks for your intolerance and lack of courtesy.
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Poor thing...
Condescension doesn't work for fundie flying at a lower altitude than the non-xtians they're trying to be insulting to.
False. Once again, thanks for your intolerance and lack of courtesy.
No one is required to be 'tolerant' or courteous to some fundie ineffectively and ironically attempting to be condescending.
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Poor thing...
Condescension doesn't work for fundie flying at a lower altitude than the non-xtians they're trying to be insulting to.
False. Once again, thanks for your intolerance and lack of courtesy.
No one is required to be 'tolerant' or courteous to some fundie ineffectively and ironically attempting to be condescending.
Common courtesy to others is what is setting the example for everyone's right to be heard, not blasted.
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Poor thing...
Condescension doesn't work for fundie flying at a lower altitude than the non-xtians they're trying to be insulting to.
False. Once again, thanks for your intolerance and lack of courtesy.
No one is required to be 'tolerant' or courteous to some fundie ineffectively and ironically attempting to be condescending.
Common courtesy to others is what is setting the example for everyone's right to be heard, not blasted.
Anyone who choses to post within FC guidelines is able to do so; there's no policy regarding unopposed posting, (especially since this thread was just moved to the Debate & Discuss subforum).
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How many boxes of kleenex to you think Falcon9 goes thru everyday from being on forum?
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What does such overt trolling have to do with the hanking-stomping religious speculations you fundies are hucking-up?
How many boxes of kleenex to you think Falcon9 goes thru everyday from being on forum?
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This is why i do not like to get involved with bible talk, even though i am a christian and believe in God and his word, but i do not have time to debate the word with people who don't believe in God or his word, because the battle over God word is not mines, it is the lord and he will reveal the truth to all human on earth,
Amen to this statement. Live is to short and we need to be about God's work.
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(1) - Jesus must come back because of the promises of the Old Testament that have yet to be fulfilled. Scores of prophecies were fulfilled concerning His First Coming.
No prophecies in the bible have come true. All of them are inconclusive or just flat-out wrong. Infact many have been proven false in the past on this forum alone through basic research. If you think one has, I assure you it can be shot down with simple logic. If you care to debate about it, please share. Just don't copy/paste 500 pages from some creationist website.
Jesus Christ has to return because of His own statements. He is absolute truth.
Actually the Jesus archaetype probably didn't say much of anything you read in the bible. It was either heavily romanticized and/or made up by 3rd-hand accounts. You can see how your Jesus character is like many other myth heroes through time here- http://department.monm.edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm
Jesus Christ must come back because of the present position of Satan. The devil is the most powerful being in all the world, except for God Himself. That means that he's the director of the false religions and philosophies of the world.
How ironic. You do know that your religion and a lot of it's practices were formed through stealing from other beliefs, correct? It would seem in your eyes that you are a firm supporter of this evil demon without realizing it.
Jesus Christ must return because of the present chaos in the world--our world is racked with pain, suffering, hunger, war, murder, lust, greed, hate, fraud, corruption. Human government seems to be unsuccessful in dealing with these problems.
Name ONE point in history when it wasn't this way for governments. Considering the past, things are MUCH better now, so this is a naive point you're trying to make.
Jesus Christ must come back because of the dead in Christ--those people who died believing in God and trusting Him.
This is just me, but I think living, advertising, and dying for something that cannot be seen, heard, or interacted with in any way aside from delusional thinking is very wrong.
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I am ready. Come anytime. :angel12:
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No one is required to be tolerant or polite to nonbelivers either, but we are. thats the difference.
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No one is required to be tolerant or polite nonbelivers either, but we are. thats the difference.
You're missing the point, as usual. The difference is that there's no requirement to 'respect' specious superstitious beliefs. Non-believers don't have such specious superstitious beliefs. The FC guideline is to respect other members of FC, not their beliefs, (a person is not their beliefs). Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for some religious zealots; hence their confusion.
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(1) - Jesus must come back because of the promises of the Old Testament that have yet to be fulfilled. Scores of prophecies were fulfilled concerning His First Coming.
No prophecies in the bible have come true. All of them are inconclusive or just flat-out wrong. Infact many have been proven false in the past on this forum alone through basic research. If you think one has, I assure you it can be shot down with simple logic. If you care to debate about it, please share. Just don't copy/paste 500 pages from some creationist website.
Jesus Christ has to return because of His own statements. He is absolute truth.
Actually the Jesus archaetype probably didn't say much of anything you read in the bible. It was either heavily romanticized and/or made up by 3rd-hand accounts. You can see how your Jesus character is like many other myth heroes through time here- http://department.monm.edu/classics/courses/clas230/mythdocuments/heropattern/default.htm
Not to mention that whole 'it is true because I say so' routine is a circular logical fallacy.
Jesus Christ must come back because of the present position of Satan. The devil is the most powerful being in all the world, except for God Himself. That means that he's the director of the false religions and philosophies of the world.
How ironic. You do know that your religion and a lot of it's practices were formed through stealing from other beliefs, correct? It would seem in your eyes that you are a firm supporter of this evil demon without realizing it.
The practice of culture theft by xtian assimulation is a documented fact. Some other non-xtian cultures practiced this to a lesser degree however, xtianity to it to a whole new level of pervasive theft in order to insidiously absorb "pagan" cultural/religious beliefs. The most recent example of this heinous practice was with 'missionary xtians' and native american indians.
Jesus Christ must return because of the present chaos in the world--our world is racked with pain, suffering, hunger, war, murder, lust, greed, hate, fraud, corruption. Human government seems to be unsuccessful in dealing with these problems.
Name ONE point in history when it wasn't this way for governments. Considering the past, things are MUCH better now, so this is a naive point you're trying to make.
Jesus Christ must come back because of the dead in Christ--those people who died believing in God and trusting Him.
This is just me, but I think living, advertising, and dying for something that cannot be seen, heard, or interacted with in any way aside from delusional thinking is very wrong.
It's not just you. Nominally, a few moments of rational thought and applied reasoning are all it takes to discern the irrationality of such delusional 'religious thinking', (unless, of course, the one deluded by blind faith is unable to apply logical reasoning to such religious beliefs).
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No one is required to be tolerant or polite nonbelivers either, but we are. thats the difference.
You're missing the point, as usual. The difference is that there's no requirement to 'respect' specious superstitious beliefs. Non-believers don't have such specious superstitious beliefs. The FC guideline is to respect other members of FC, not their beliefs, (a person is not their beliefs). Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for some religious zealots; hence their confusion.
You are wrong and intolerant, especially when you call posters names - that is personal and daring the boundary line of the golden rule. You don't have to like a Christian's belief and other than your right to your opinion of thinking a Christian's belief is "specious superstitious..." it is not right after that to be so disrespectful, intolerant, and mean, when it is not your business how they live their beliefs in their personal life. It's not wrong for them to share things with each other. If you hate it that much, don't let the door hit you on the way out of such a "hateful to you" thread and have fun sharing in a thread that you prefer.
What you are really doing is trying to shut Christian's opinions up and make them look bad. Another thing is that it is very obvious you are enjoying what you are doing, which constitutes "trolling" and back-lashing posters you don't think should believe they way they are allowed. You haven't hushed anyone, and your whining and bashing haven't blocked people from sharing within their rights in here, yet you continue to be irritated and an irritant. Go on with you if you are that upset about people being able to live and speak as the Constitution allows and this forum allows.
The Bible says in James 4:7 (NIV), "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." I am NOT calling YOU the devil, but you are definitely promoting the devil's work.
Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes."
1 Peter 5:8 "Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."
1 Peter 5:9 "Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings."
Ephesians 4:27 "And do not give the devil a foothold." ("Neither give place to the devil - Your adversary will strive to influence your mind, and irritate your spirit; watch and pray that he may not get any place in you, or ascendancy over you.")
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No one is required to be tolerant or polite nonbelivers either, but we are. thats the difference.
You're missing the point, as usual. The difference is that there's no requirement to 'respect' specious superstitious beliefs. Non-believers don't have such specious superstitious beliefs. The FC guideline is to respect other members of FC, not their beliefs, (a person is not their beliefs). Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for some religious zealots; hence their confusion.
You are wrong and intolerant, especially when you call posters names - that is personal and daring the boundary line of the golden rule.
What "names"? The terms employed are factually-accurate and just because you don't like them, they don't constitute 'name-calling' under the correct definition of that phrase. Falsely characterizing factual descriptive terms in that manner is lying.
What you are really doing is trying to shut Christian's opinions up and make them look bad.
False. What I've been doing for some time now is opposing the same religious belief system directly responsible for some of the most reprehensible atrocities in history. Such opposition isn't intended to "shut xtians up" since they continue to be able to post about their superstitions and make themselves "look bad."
Another thing is that it is very obvious you are enjoying what you are doing, which constitutes "trolling" ...
False. Responding to/opposing INITIALLY-posted religious trolling doesn't constitute "trolling", it constitutes a response to trolling. Whether or not FC moderators, (not you or I), would consider reasoned opposition to be 'counter-trolling' isn't up to you.
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Radishes
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Your spamming across multiple forums and threads is trollish.
Radishes
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Checkmate!!
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Just to verify, provide additional evidence of textual Tourettes.
Checkmate!!
Thanks for your cooperation.
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No one is required to be tolerant or polite nonbelivers either, but we are. thats the difference.
You're missing the point, as usual. The difference is that there's no requirement to 'respect' specious superstitious beliefs. Non-believers don't have such specious superstitious beliefs. The FC guideline is to respect other members of FC, not their beliefs, (a person is not their beliefs). Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for some religious zealots; hence their confusion.
You are wrong and intolerant, especially when you call posters names - that is personal and daring the boundary line of the golden rule.
What "names"? The terms employed are factually-accurate and just because you don't like them, they don't constitute 'name-calling' under the correct definition of that phrase. Falsely characterizing factual descriptive terms in that manner is lying.
What you are really doing is trying to shut Christian's opinions up and make them look bad.
False. What I've been doing for some time now is opposing the same religious belief system directly responsible for some of the most reprehensible atrocities in history. Such opposition isn't intended to "shut xtians up" since they continue to be able to post about their superstitions and make themselves "look bad."
Another thing is that it is very obvious you are enjoying what you are doing, which constitutes "trolling" ...
False. Responding to/opposing INITIALLY-posted religious trolling doesn't constitute "trolling", it constitutes a response to trolling. Whether or not FC moderators, (not you or I), would consider reasoned opposition to be 'counter-trolling' isn't up to you.
Lame excuse - they are allowed in the forum and are not deliberately "initially posted" and they are NOT religious "trolling." They ARE ALLOWED in this forum. You really need to get a grip.
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Checkmate!!
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they are allowed in the forum and are not deliberately "initially posted"
Whether allowed or not doesn't change the fact that they constitute 'religious trolling' in that they promote contentious religious beliefs.
and they are NOT religious "trolling." They ARE ALLOWED in this forum.
See above.
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they are allowed in the forum and are not deliberately "initially posted"
Whether allowed or not doesn't change the fact that they constitute 'religious trolling' in that they promote contentious religious beliefs.
and they are NOT religious "trolling." They ARE ALLOWED in this forum.
See above.
It's obvious you have difficulty with the concept that when something is allowed to be posted in a forum, it is not "religious trolling" just because you say so. If it is "religious trolling," for real, then the moderator would ban them, block them, or reprimand the original posters for "trolling." But, that's okay - we understand that you are struggling with this concept and will take that into consideration.
Of course, if you keep insisting something that isn't true, then it's only fair to call your intolerance of Christians' opinions, WHICH ARE ALLOWED, as "Trolling/Atheist Bashing Christians." However, since you are apparently not reprimanded for your "trolling" as we see it and experience it, then you must accept the fact that we aren't "trolling" you like you enjoy pretending we are. Easy solution - stay out of the threads that irritate you. But, I know, I know, you enjoy what you are doing way too much to back off, and that's a real shame and shows what your moral character is towards Christians, period.
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It's obvious you have difficulty with the concept that when something is allowed to be posted in a forum, it is not "religious trolling" just because you say so. If it is "religious trolling," for real, then the moderator would ban them, block them, or reprimand the original posters for "trolling."
I've already stated that such religious trolling is permitted because it doesn't overtly violate FC posting policies. It's unfortunate that you're unable to comprehend the difference such trolling be allowed and "calling-out" threads, (which are not permitted by FC). Just because religious trolling is permitted doesn't mean it isn't religious trolling.
But, that's okay - we understand that you are struggling with this concept and will take that into consideration.
As previously iterated, your attempts at being condescending fail due to your irrational position not being superior in any way to the actual situation, (despite your ego-defensive huffiness).
Of course, if you keep insisting something that isn't true ...
No, that would be you; as numerous posts of yours are in archived evidence substantiate.
Easy solution - stay out of the threads that irritate you.
There you go again; trying to restrict/censor/oppress/suppress dissenting points of view. It hasn't worked for the last several dozen times you've tried it, why do you persist with tilting forlornly at that windmill?
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It's obvious you have difficulty with the concept that when something is allowed to be posted in a forum, it is not "religious trolling" just because you say so. If it is "religious trolling," for real, then the moderator would ban them, block them, or reprimand the original posters for "trolling."
I've already stated that such religious trolling is permitted because it doesn't overtly violate FC posting policies. It's unfortunate that you're unable to comprehend the difference such trolling be allowed and "calling-out" threads, (which are not permitted by FC). Just because religious trolling is permitted doesn't mean it isn't religious trolling.
But, that's okay - we understand that you are struggling with this concept and will take that into consideration.
As previously iterated, your attempts at being condescending fail due to your irrational position not being superior in any way to the actual situation, (despite your ego-defensive huffiness).
Of course, if you keep insisting something that isn't true ...
No, that would be you; as numerous posts of yours are in archived evidence substantiate.
Easy solution - stay out of the threads that irritate you.
There you go again; trying to restrict/censor/oppress/suppress dissenting points of view. It hasn't worked for the last several dozen times you've tried it, why do you persist with tilting forlornly at that windmill?
Tsk, tsk, falcon9. I have already agreed with you about the "calling-out" posts being wrong and not permitted. I don't do that, personally, and won't. Those posts are not the same as what you are doing within religious posts that ARE ALLOWED in the forum. Especially when one is Off Topic and you come in trolling hate towards Christians because they are daring to share verses, quotes, and inspiration with each other and with those who may be interested. Instead of sharing your opposing opinion, you continue to respond/bash after everyone, over and over, because you hate it. You are trolling, pure and simple.
I'm not restricting you -- I'm telling it like it is - don't go in them if they are that bad for you. You suggest the Ignore Button - that's the same type of thing. Your whining is getting tediously weary...
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Those posts are not the same as what you are doing within religious posts that ARE ALLOWED in the forum. Especially when one is Off Topic and you come in trolling ... Instead of sharing your opposing opinion, you continue to respond/bash after everyone ...
Posting opposing rational viewpoints in response to religious propandizing/trolling posts is not trolling or bashing, except in the inherently irrational opinion of someone holding teh religious superstition being opposed. Your vested interest invalidates your biased opinion in that regard.
I'm not restricting you -- I'm telling it like it is - don't go in them if they are that bad for you.
Correct; you're not restricting opposing viewpoints - you've attempted to do so on dozens of occasions and failed. You're continuing to attempt to do so and still failing.
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According to the bible, noone knows when Jesus Christ is coming back. Only God knows.
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According to the bible ...
That 'source' consists of faith-based hearsay and as such, does not consist of a valid evidentiary basis.
... noone knows when Jesus Christ is coming back. Only God knows.
Such a 'religious conclusion' stems from an invalid superstitious basis and is moot due to the lack of evidence to support either the contention that a 'zombie' will return or, that such a hypothesized supernatural entity as 'g-d' exists. Since the premise is unsubstantiated, so too are any specious conclusions derived from it.
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Those posts are not the same as what you are doing within religious posts that ARE ALLOWED in the forum. Especially when one is Off Topic and you come in trolling ... Instead of sharing your opposing opinion, you continue to respond/bash after everyone ...
Posting opposing rational viewpoints in response to religious propandizing/trolling posts is not trolling or bashing, except in the inherently irrational opinion of someone holding teh religious superstition being opposed. Your vested interest invalidates your biased opinion in that regard.
I'm not restricting you -- I'm telling it like it is - don't go in them if they are that bad for you.
Correct; you're not restricting opposing viewpoints - you've attempted to do so on dozens of occasions and failed. You're continuing to attempt to do so and still failing.
They are initially trolling, since they are allowed. Kohler would ban them if they were considered trolling. FAIL again with trying to restrict people from sharing their beliefs, inspiration, and prayers with others who share the same views. We keep sharing and you keep whining and bellyaching...
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Those posts are not the same as what you are doing within religious posts that ARE ALLOWED in the forum. Especially when one is Off Topic and you come in trolling ... Instead of sharing your opposing opinion, you continue to respond/bash after everyone ...
Posting opposing rational viewpoints in response to religious propandizing/trolling posts is not trolling or bashing, except in the inherently irrational opinion of someone holding teh religious superstition being opposed. Your vested interest invalidates your biased opinion in that regard.
I'm not restricting you -- I'm telling it like it is - don't go in them if they are that bad for you.
Correct; you're not restricting opposing viewpoints - you've attempted to do so on dozens of occasions and failed. You're continuing to attempt to do so and still failing.
They are initially trolling, since they are allowed.
I'm aware of what I've previously stated but, thanks for concurring.
Kohler would ban them if they were considered trolling.
No, FC moderators can lock or remove "calling-out" threads, or those which contain inaccurate information, (as FC policies state). No FC policy states they "ban" trolling.
FAIL again with trying to restrict people from sharing their beliefs ...
Since the previous reiterations to the contrary have apparently 'failed' to penetrate the 'black body' of religious blind faith; I'm not the one repeatedly trying, (and failing), to restrict/censor/oppress/repress/suppress dissenting viewpoints - you are and there's abundant posted evidence to support that contention. Whereas I've stated numerous times that you religious zealots have the same option to post/not post about your religious superstitious beliefs as others have to post/not post in opposition to them. My position supports both ends of teh spectrum and points between while yours would have unopposed religious propagandizing as a result of suppressing dissenting viewpoints. That's the significant difference between your, (suppressive of non-xtian viewpoints), position and mine, (same options for any FC member).
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According to the bible, noone knows when Jesus Christ is coming back. Only God knows.
Jcal....Jesus noted in Mathew sure signs that would happen within a generation when the Kingdom of God would be set up and Satan and his hordes would be put out of heaven and confined to the earth.Total war,increase of lawlessness,earthquakes,pestilences,love of greater number cooling off.false religeons & a worldwide preaching work being done.
1914 it started...WWI began then
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Jesus noted in Mathew sure signs that would happen within a generation when the Kingdom of God would be set up and Satan and his hordes would be put out of heaven and confined to the earth.Total war,increase of lawlessness,earthquakes,pestilences,love of greater number cooling off.false religeons & a worldwide preaching work being done.
1914 it started...WWI began then
It's now 2012 and 98 years is enough for two or more generations worth of time to have elapsed. Such non-"prophesies" are shown to be false and merely religious superstitions intended to engender fear and gaining adherents. Doubtless this refutation will be met by some specious apologetics, silence or irrational smoke screen. Regardless, if the premise is that "it" started in 1914, it would've happened by now, (more than one generation later). The "bible" therefore contains numerous lies deemed loosely as "prophesies".
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All those have happened and Jesus said some of that generation would see the end.
According to you no one alive is in their 100s today?
Its really no use to discuss this with you.You make up your own rules no matter so give your retort and move on elsewheres.
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According to you no one alive is in their 100s today?
That's not what I stated, no. What was emphasized was your "within a generation" bit of nonsense since more than a generation has passed. Whether or not some people are in their 100s now doesn't mean that more than more generation has been born and died since. If your dodge is that some people now alive and in their 100s are going to get to see some religious superstition come to pass, it better hurry. Those folks aren't in the best of shape.
Its really no use to discuss this with you.You make up your own rules no matter so give your retort and move on elsewheres.
First, just as you didn't invent the randomness of irrationality, neither did I invent the logical parameters of reasoning. Therefore, applying logic is not making up my own rules and your assertion is rendered false. Secondly, you don't get to dictate whether I post or "move on elsewheres" as if this were a dundie dictatorship and not an FC forum.
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According to you no one alive is in their 100s today?
That's not what I stated, no. What was emphasized was your "within a generation" bit of nonsense since more than a generation has passed. Whether or not some people are in their 100s now doesn't mean that more than more generation has been born and died since. If your dodge is that some people now alive and in their 100s are going to get to see some religious superstition come to pass, it better hurry. Those folks aren't in the best of shape.
Its really no use to discuss this with you.You make up your own rules no matter so give your retort and move on elsewheres.
First, just as you didn't invent the randomness of irrationality, neither did I invent the logical parameters of reasoning. Therefore, applying logic is not making up my own rules and your assertion is rendered false. Secondly, you don't get to dictate whether I post or "move on elsewheres" as if this were a dundie dictatorship and not an FC forum.
neither will you be once it happens
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neither will you be once it happens
Since it's merely a baseless religious superstition and I'm not in my 100s, (nor in poor health), your contention is doubly false. The probability that I'll live longer than someone currently in their 100s is much greater than any chance that some superstitious myth will come to pass before I'm dead.
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Maybe we could give them a swig of carbon and create some longevity for them too
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How's that senility of yours working out for you?
Maybe we could give them a swig of carbon and create some longevity for them too
Still causing you to huck-up irrationalities is it ... that's a shame.
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Speaking of old age....enjoy your few remaining years with NO HOPE!!
Have fun dictating your nonsense to the worms!
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Speaking of old age....enjoy your few remaining years with NO HOPE!!
"I'm not in my 100s, (nor in poor health)", neither do I subscribe to the false hope of religious superstitions.
Have fun dictating your nonsense to the worms!
Back at ya, jw cultist.
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LOL...Im sure even the worms would rather be fishbait then share the ground with you Falcon9...LOL!!
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LOL...Im sure even the worms would rather be fishbait then share the ground with you Falcon9...LOL!!
That assumes I'll choose to be buried and there's valid no basis for such an assumption, (which means it's another specious speculation on your part ... and part of your established pattern).
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Youve already been buried and you know by WHO Falcon9!! :crybaby2:
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Jcal....Jesus noted in Mathew sure signs that would happen within a generation when the Kingdom of God would be set up and Satan and his hordes would be put out of heaven and confined to the earth.Total war,increase of lawlessness,earthquakes,pestilences,love of greater number cooling off.false religeons & a worldwide preaching work being done.
All of these things you listed? They've always been around. Open a history book some time.
1914 it started...WWI began then
Actually that's when they said the world would end. They changed it afterwards and then made different dates up. Nothing happened then either. You align yourself and advertise a cult made up of false prophets-- something of which that ancient book of yours says should be put to death (hypocrisy). I've already proven this to you, but you'd rather play the blind, deaf, and dumb card because it's easier to use a child's thought process rather than a mature adults. I mean look at you now-- personally attacking another FC member once you get cornered.
Have fun dictating your nonsense to the worms!
He's not the one going door-to-door promoting false prophets and bad behavior.
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Falconer2...do you really think i find any of your answers credible from someone who claims to have been a former JW that snoozed thru meetings?
Come come my child!!!
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Youve already been buried and you know by WHO Falcon9!! :crybaby2:
On the contrary, both logic and I remain above ground while your superstitious nonsense was buried in illogical blind faith from the start.
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Youve already been buried and you know by WHO Falcon9!! :crybaby2:
On the contrary, both logic and I remain above ground while your superstitious nonsense was buried in illogical blind faith from the start.
Yeah maybe ill give you that...your intelligence and logic is a little above dirt!!!
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do you really think i find any of your answers credible from someone who claims to have been a former JW that snoozed thru meetings?
When did I say I fell asleep during them? They were quite dull, but judging from what I've learned since then, it's easy to conclude that your cult was started and is run by false prophets parading as the one true religion. I've already spelled this out for you, given you actual articles and speeches made by JW's, and you did not challenge it. I'm extremely credible because I QUOTED PEOPLE FROM YOUR CULT-- I dunno how more credible one could get. You never challenged it because you went right into the bible humping followed by the insults-- the sign of someone who cannot defend their beliefs.
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Youve already been buried and you know by WHO Falcon9!! :crybaby2:
On the contrary, both logic and I remain above ground while your superstitious nonsense was buried in illogical blind faith from the start.
Yeah maybe ill give you that...your intelligence and logic is a little above dirt!!!
The opinion of a faith-blinded religious zealot carries less weight than a neutrino whereas such superstitious nonsense is buried under far more odorous layers of irrationality and blood than simple "dirt".
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do you really think i find any of your answers credible from someone who claims to have been a former JW that snoozed thru meetings?
When did I say I fell asleep during them? They were quite dull, but judging from what I've learned since then, it's easy to conclude that your cult was started and is run by false prophets parading as the one true religion. I've already spelled this out for you, given you actual articles and speeches made by JW's, and you did not challenge it. I'm extremely credible because I QUOTED PEOPLE FROM YOUR CULT-- I dunno how more credible one could get. You never challenged it because you went right into the bible humping followed by the insults-- the sign of someone who cannot defend their beliefs.
The fact that your objections are extremely credible is what seems to be the cause of his avoiding responding to the points you raise. The only conclusion which can be reasonably drawn from such avoidance is that he's unable to refute them and has chosen to disregard or 'attack' the person dissenting, rather than the dissenting points themselves.
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Falconer2.....dont you know by now that i know you get your jollies off by debating etc?
It REALLY is a complete waste of my time to get involved with something like that with you.Now if you wanna turn this into an entertainment session like i do with the other Falcon thats your choice.
But after awhile it gets old hearing you cry,"you never did answer any of my questions blah blah blah"......so why dont you make like lettuce and quit while you are a head!!
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Falconer2.....dont you know by now that i know you get your jollies off by debating etc?
It REALLY is a complete waste of my time to get involved with something like that with you.Now if you wanna turn this into an entertainment session like i do with the other Falcon thats your choice.
Your lame dodge was accurately predicted; which is more than one can say about your lame religious non-"prophesies".
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Youve already been buried and you know by WHO Falcon9!! :crybaby2:
On the contrary, both logic and I remain above ground while your superstitious nonsense was buried in illogical blind faith from the start.
Yeah maybe ill give you that...your intelligence and logic is a little above dirt!!!
Your intelligence and logic is noted that its a little above dirt Falcon9.
The opinion of a faith-blinded religious zealot carries less weight than a neutrino whereas such superstitious nonsense is buried under far more odorous layers of irrationality and blood than simple "dirt".
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Yeah maybe ill give you that...your intelligence and logic is a little above dirt!!!
Your intelligence and logic is noted that its a little above dirt Falcon9.
The opinion of a faith-blinded religious zealot carries less weight than a neutrino whereas such superstitious nonsense is buried under far more odorous layers of irrationality and blood than simple "dirt". Additionally, that senility of yours is causing you to repeat yourself within the same post, (and they weren't that far apart).
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The only conclusion which can be reasonably drawn from such avoidance is that he's unable to refute them and has chosen to disregard or 'attack' the person dissenting, rather than the dissenting points themselves.
Precisely. You could say the same about an elementary school bully. Surprisingly most JW's I knew used these idiotic tactics. Thus my reason for calling him child-like and his beliefs dispicable.
It REALLY is a complete waste of my time to get involved with something like that with you
Because you can't. Laughable dodge there.
so why dont you make like lettuce and quit while you are a head!!
If you want to be entertained, I'll drop to your level for a moment.
Make me, poophead! TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! ROFLCOPTER LOLLERSKATEz!!!!1!!!1!!!!
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The only conclusion which can be reasonably drawn from such avoidance is that he's unable to refute them and has chosen to disregard or 'attack' the person dissenting, rather than the dissenting points themselves.
Precisely. You could say the same about an elementary school bully. Surprisingly most JW's I knew used these idiotic tactics. Thus my reason for calling him child-like and his beliefs dispicable.
Maybe they teach that in 'cult tactics 101', (or 'trolling 101'), however I'm surprised such works on most people. Does it? This is one reason why I support their option to keep spouting irrational, superstitious religious nonsense on the forums; it provides evidence of the damage such irrationality can do to healthy mental functioning and accumulates evidence of that in the zealots' own words. The opportunity to point out superstitious non-reasoning allows others who can still reason to make up their own minds.
It REALLY is a complete waste of my time to get involved with something like that with you
Because you can't. Laughable dodge there.
so why dont you make like lettuce and quit while you are a head!!
If you want to be entertained, I'll drop to your level for a moment.
Make me, poophead! TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! ROFLCOPTER LOLLERSKATEz!!!!1!!!1!!!!
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Maybe they teach that in 'cult tactics 101', (or 'trolling 101'), however I'm surprised such works on most people. Does it?
Well yeah it works for all those crazy religions. Scientology exists. Need I say more? JW's aren't on that level of insanity (scientology), but fairly close. I noticed a trend with the parents I grew up with-- they either had dark pasts, weren't the brightest bulbs, or simply sought power where they couldn't find it in their normal lives (promotions, family matters, etc.). A lot of them were ultimately just subpar people. I hate using that term because I think people reading this might think I'm putting myself on a pedestal, but I'm not. They were just bad people! Disowning family and friends, not putting priorities on education, and just trying to take everyone they could out of normal human culture in favor of some made-up disneyland culture that (as I grew up I found) was far worse than the vices of normal culture. Any group that insists you avoid normal "worldy" (as they call them) people should be avoided like the bubonic plague.
For the record, they weren't all like this. There were still some nice humble people there. Coincidentally most of which eventually left.
This is one reason why I support their option to keep spouting irrational, superstitious religious nonsense on the forums; it provides evidence of the damage such irrationality can do to healthy mental functioning and accumulates evidence of that in the zealots' own words.
Only problem is it falls upon deaf ears when the people reading are incapable of thinking that they're wrong (much like kids). To admit there are problems in what you believe is not necessarily a bad thing though. Religious folks rarely seem aware of this.
The opportunity to point out superstitious non-reasoning allows others who can still reason to make up their own minds.
I agree. The best bet is to just be pleasant about it while the religious shoot themselves in the foot (either with faulty reasoning or, as Hitch has constantly shown, rudeness).
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hey, stop picking on the believers in here. Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky, cannot substantiate any proof he exists, and still try to argue how great he is, means they are not subject to any sort of criticism! ::)
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hey, stop picking on the believers in here. Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky, cannot substantiate any proof he exists, and still try to argue how great he is, means they are not subject to any sort of criticism! ::)
Hero.....you looking for info on a wheelchair or radishes?
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.... I'm not too sure what you're trying to imply here, perhaps you could explain it to me in a way that's logical, unlike you're religion.
hey, stop picking on the believers in here. Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky, cannot substantiate any proof he exists, and still try to argue how great he is, means they are not subject to any sort of criticism! ::)
Hero.....you looking for info on a wheelchair or radishes?
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Just what we need.Another class act coming out of the woodwork.(http://i.imgur.com/3bieA.gif)
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Just what we need.Another class act coming out of the woodwork.
What's not needed is another fundie xtian trying to disparage viewpoints which challenge religious blind faith, (because there are already multitudes of those).
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.... I'm not too sure what you're trying to imply here, perhaps you could explain it to me in a way that's logical, unlike you're religion.
hey, stop picking on the believers in here. Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky, cannot substantiate any proof he exists, and still try to argue how great he is, means they are not subject to any sort of criticism! ::)
Hero.....you looking for info on a wheelchair or radishes?
Hero its obvious you dont pay attn to bible and i see that carrys on to the FC forum.Either that or go ask your magical fairy and see if you get some help there.You brought that up so i guess you believe in that nonsense.
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its obvious you dont pay attn to bible and i see that carrys on to the FC forum.
It's more obvious that such a blind faith in that assemblage of myths, unfounded religious beliefs and tangled lies means religious zealots are paying far too much attention to it and those self-delusions carry across to the forums.
Either that or go ask your magical fairy and see if you get some help there.You brought that up so i guess you believe in that nonsense.
The OP mentioned that "Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky ...", ("they" being religious adherents who believe in a supernatural egregore which has no substantive evidence of existing), in reference to religious zealots - not the OP's 'beliefs'.
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I still cannot understand what you are trying to get across here, perhaps your book of superstitions has severely impeded your cognitive ability to make a point.
.... I'm not too sure what you're trying to imply here, perhaps you could explain it to me in a way that's logical, unlike you're religion.
hey, stop picking on the believers in here. Just because they believe in a magical fairy in the sky, cannot substantiate any proof he exists, and still try to argue how great he is, means they are not subject to any sort of criticism! ::)
Hero.....you looking for info on a wheelchair or radishes?
Hero its obvious you dont pay attn to bible and i see that carrys on to the FC forum.Either that or go ask your magical fairy and see if you get some help there.You brought that up so i guess you believe in that nonsense.
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Hero...lemme agree with you from here on out so you dont have to bore me anymore!!
IOW...take a hike and go bother somebody else.
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This is a public forum, I'm free to respond to any posts in here. I'm just trying to help take the blinders off that religion has put on you.
Hero...lemme agree with you from here on out so you dont have to bore me anymore!!
IOW...take a hike and go bother somebody else.
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This is a public forum, I'm free to respond to any posts in here. I'm just trying to help take the blinders off that religion has put on you.
That's true and any member who tries ordering you to "take a hike" can be disregarded or ignored because they're not able to restrict/censor/oppress/repress/oppress responses here.
Hero...lemme agree with you from here on out so you dont have to bore me anymore!!
IOW...take a hike and go bother somebody else.
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I'm curious why is it that Christians feel more offended than most religious people. When I was growing up I went to a Baptist Church that was all white and my brothers and I was only Black kids there. 3 of us learned about the bible from a Baptist minister. We went to Sunday school and 2 times a week bible study. I learned much from this preacher who became a great family member up until he passed away and his family is still apart of our lives. One thing about our Baptist minister he never implied that all should be or should have to fight among religion.
Christians seem to push they believe upon others and also think that their religion is most holy. This is the reason why we have such a problem within our Gov.... State and Church should never go together. I think that Christians have gotten besides them self and really need to go back to putting their religion in a place where it does not affect judgement of Gov or affect PRO CHOICE. I'm tired of hearing about what Christians think all people should do. Its not your life or choice so please think about yourself and already move on and do whats best for your religion among those who believe in it. Stop trying to push your beliefs on others.
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I'm curious why is it that Christians feel more offended than most religious people. When I was growing up I went to a Baptist Church that was all white and my brothers and I was only Black kids there. 3 of us learned about the bible from a Baptist minister. We went to Sunday school and 2 times a week bible study. I learned much from this preacher who became a great family member up until he passed away and his family is still apart of our lives. One thing about our Baptist minister he never implied that all should be or should have to fight among religion.
Christians seem to push they believe upon others and also think that their religion is most holy. This is the reason why we have such a problem within our Gov.... State and Church should never go together. I think that Christians have gotten besides them self and really need to go back to putting their religion in a place where it does not affect judgement of Gov or affect PRO CHOICE. I'm tired of hearing about what Christians think all people should do. Its not your life or choice so please think about yourself and already move on and do whats best for your religion among those who believe in it. Stop trying to push your beliefs on others.
I, speaking for myself, am not trying to push my belief on others. Everyone has their own choice to make in life.
In this forum, I am for fairness when it comes to people starting threads of interest for others who may take an interest or share in the subjects. That includes an Off Topic Bible Verse thread, Inspiration thread (whether quotes or verses or little things that mean a lot (whether Biblical or not), and Prayer threads, etc. They aren't necessarily debate threads, although many turn into them. And while people can come in and oppose, it's not following the "golden rule" of this forum, for people to come after every single poster/post in those Off Topic threads, over and over, to constantly bash and cut down those who enjoy those threads. That is my main issue.
Those threads are allowed and in essence, those "trollers" who are always bashing, are the ones trying to "push their opposition" onto those others. A debate/discuss thread, however, would be "enter at your own risk," this is true. But the Off Topic ones being overly bashed is not fair to those who only want to share with any who are interested in listening and also sharing.
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We all will know when he returns.
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And while people can come in and oppose, it's not following the "golden rule" of this forum ...
There's no "golden rule" which permits unopposed viewpoints. Anything can be challenged without having the challenges being suppressed because the one challenged believes the challenges are "rude", "disrespectful" or any other disingenuous way to repress opposition.
Those threads are allowed and in essence, those "trollers" ...
It isn't 'trolling' to post dissenting responses to threads already trolling a contentious subject. Such religious-trolling threads are permitted as long as they aren't "calling-out" threads, (several of which, started by xtians, have been recently locked or removed). Just as such religious trolling threads are permitted, so too are dissenting responses.
"A debate/discuss thread, however, would be "enter at your own risk," this is true. But the Off Topic ones being overly bashed is not fair to those who only want to ..." [... propagandize religious superstitions unopposed]
The Off Topic forum is not some sort of 'safe haven' for unopposed opinionating; contentious material may be opposed there, (as in the Off Topic subforum, D&D). These continuous attempts to suppress/restrict/oppress/constrict/censor dissenting viewpoints continue to fail and have been tedious for month now. While there's no specific prohibition against promoting such one-sided censorship, there's also no prohibition against opposing such disgusting attempts to suppress dissent.
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We all will know when he returns.
What, a week from never, (since the whole thing is a superstitious myth without substantive basis)?
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And while people can come in and oppose, it's not following the "golden rule" of this forum ...
There's no "golden rule" which permits unopposed viewpoints. Anything can be challenged without having the challenges being suppressed because the one challenged believes the challenges are "rude", "disrespectful" or any other disingenuous way to repress opposition.
Those threads are allowed and in essence, those "trollers" ...
It isn't 'trolling' to post dissenting responses to threads already trolling a contentious subject. Such religious-trolling threads are permitted as long as they aren't "calling-out" threads, (several of which, started by xtians, have been recently locked or removed). Just as such religious trolling threads are permitted, so too are dissenting responses.
"A debate/discuss thread, however, would be "enter at your own risk," this is true. But the Off Topic ones being overly bashed is not fair to those who only want to ..." [... propagandize religious superstitions unopposed]
The Off Topic forum is not some sort of 'safe haven' for unopposed opinionating; contentious material may be opposed there, (as in the Off Topic subforum, D&D). These continuous attempts to suppress/restrict/oppress/constrict/censor dissenting viewpoints continue to fail and have been tedious for month now. While there's no specific prohibition against promoting such one-sided censorship, there's also no prohibition against opposing such disgusting attempts to suppress dissent.
Whining again? Not in the mood, tonight, falcon9, to deal with your drama.
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And while people can come in and oppose, it's not following the "golden rule" of this forum ...
There's no "golden rule" which permits unopposed viewpoints. Anything can be challenged without having the challenges being suppressed because the one challenged believes the challenges are "rude", "disrespectful" or any other disingenuous way to repress opposition.
Those threads are allowed and in essence, those "trollers" ...
It isn't 'trolling' to post dissenting responses to threads already trolling a contentious subject. Such religious-trolling threads are permitted as long as they aren't "calling-out" threads, (several of which, started by xtians, have been recently locked or removed). Just as such religious trolling threads are permitted, so too are dissenting responses.
"A debate/discuss thread, however, would be "enter at your own risk," this is true. But the Off Topic ones being overly bashed is not fair to those who only want to ..." [... propagandize religious superstitions unopposed]
The Off Topic forum is not some sort of 'safe haven' for unopposed opinionating; contentious material may be opposed there, (as in the Off Topic subforum, D&D). These continuous attempts to suppress/restrict/oppress/constrict/censor dissenting viewpoints continue to fail and have been tedious for month now. While there's no specific prohibition against promoting such one-sided censorship, there's also no prohibition against opposing such disgusting attempts to suppress dissent.
Whining again? Not in the mood, tonight, falcon9, to deal with your drama.
On the contrary, the post opposes your "whining" attempts to suppress opposition. Deal with your own hypocritical melodrama.
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And while people can come in and oppose, it's not following the "golden rule" of this forum ...
There's no "golden rule" which permits unopposed viewpoints. Anything can be challenged without having the challenges being suppressed because the one challenged believes the challenges are "rude", "disrespectful" or any other disingenuous way to repress opposition.
Those threads are allowed and in essence, those "trollers" ...
It isn't 'trolling' to post dissenting responses to threads already trolling a contentious subject. Such religious-trolling threads are permitted as long as they aren't "calling-out" threads, (several of which, started by xtians, have been recently locked or removed). Just as such religious trolling threads are permitted, so too are dissenting responses.
"A debate/discuss thread, however, would be "enter at your own risk," this is true. But the Off Topic ones being overly bashed is not fair to those who only want to ..." [... propagandize religious superstitions unopposed]
The Off Topic forum is not some sort of 'safe haven' for unopposed opinionating; contentious material may be opposed there, (as in the Off Topic subforum, D&D). These continuous attempts to suppress/restrict/oppress/constrict/censor dissenting viewpoints continue to fail and have been tedious for month now. While there's no specific prohibition against promoting such one-sided censorship, there's also no prohibition against opposing such disgusting attempts to suppress dissent.
Whining again? Not in the mood, tonight, falcon9, to deal with your drama.
On the contrary, the post opposes your "whining" attempts to suppress opposition. Deal with your own hypocritical melodrama.
Ha ha - always a 'same-for-same' comeback! Perhaps we can go for "tied" tonight, lol? This reminds me of many lawyers, politicians, presidents, etc. In public, many of course, disagree to the point of it seeming like hate between them (like in the courtroom, debates, etc.) Then outside of all of that, it's like what happened to the hate? They laugh, discuss other things, joke, etc., with each other. Anyway, hope you are enjoying your weekend and that you are not in the path of Sandy.
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Ha ha - always a 'same-for-same' comeback! Perhaps we can go for "tied" tonight, lol? This reminds me of many lawyers, politicians, presidents, etc. In public, many of course, disagree to the point of it seeming like hate between them (like in the courtroom, debates, etc.) Then outside of all of that, it's like what happened to the hate? They laugh, discuss other things, joke, etc., with each other. Anyway, hope you are enjoying your weekend and that you are not in the path of Sandy.
The last time I was in the path of "Sandy" was while taking a college course in California. Fortunately, I was able to escape a large portion of her path of destruction. Sandy was a blond-haired, blue-eyed different sort of 'storm'.
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Ha ha - always a 'same-for-same' comeback! Perhaps we can go for "tied" tonight, lol? This reminds me of many lawyers, politicians, presidents, etc. In public, many of course, disagree to the point of it seeming like hate between them (like in the courtroom, debates, etc.) Then outside of all of that, it's like what happened to the hate? They laugh, discuss other things, joke, etc., with each other. Anyway, hope you are enjoying your weekend and that you are not in the path of Sandy.
The last time I was in the path of "Sandy" was while taking a college course in California. Fortunately, I was able to escape a large portion of her path of destruction. Sandy was a blond-haired, blue-eyed different sort of 'storm'.
Lol! Fair enough!
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This is a public forum, I'm free to respond to any posts in here. I'm just trying to help take the blinders off that religion has put on you.
Hero...lemme agree with you from here on out so you dont have to bore me anymore!!
IOW...take a hike and go bother somebody else.
As Jesus said..before you try to extract the straw from my eye..remove it from yours first so you can see better.
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As Jesus said..before you try to extract the straw from my eye..remove it from yours first so you can see better.
"Motes" aren't straws, "jesus" didn't say it and a faith-blinded religious zealot admonishing someone to essential not to use reasoning in order to "see" is ironic, even for a reason-blinded cultist.
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In the Old Testament, the last paragraph of Daniel says that when the hope of the Holy is lost, that will be the day when Christ will come back. The hope of the Holy is all the people that put their faith in God!
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The hope of the Holy is all the people that put their faith in God!
Such is a forlorn "hope" then since "all the people" aren't going to blind themselves that way.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ.
It remains an unsubstantiated religious belief/myth, (sans evidence), and something which is best "forgotten" as a superstitious aberration.
But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
There's no evidence that such a superstitious religious myth is "truth" and therefore, the only thing to "warn people about" is that there's no reason to believe in such superstitions.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
Philippians 3:20
New International Version (NIV)
20 "But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,"
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
If you read the end of Mathew,Jesus NEVER said he was leaving.He would be with us ALL the days till the end of this system of things.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
If you read the end of Mathew,Jesus NEVER said he was leaving.He would be with us ALL the days till the end of this system of things.
Jesus has left the Holy Spirit with us to comfort us. He is in Heaven and will come again. In John 14:2, Jesus says (KJV,) "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14:3 continues, (NLT,) "When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am."
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
If you read the end of Mathew,Jesus NEVER said he was leaving.He would be with us ALL the days till the end of this system of things.
Jesus has left the Holy Spirit with us to comfort us. He is in Heaven and will come again. In John 14:2, Jesus says (KJV,) "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14:3 continues, (NLT,) "When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am."
And Jesus says in John 10 :16 that he has other sheep which are NOT of this fold.
The meek shall inherit the earth
The righteous will possess the earth
The earth stands till time indefinite
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Let your kingdom come ON EARTH as in heaven.....part of the prayer Jesus taught.
Gods original purpose to have the earth filled under HIS kingdom rule under his son will be fulfilled soon.
Jehovah DIDNT create man to die and then go to heaven.
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It doesn't matter since, (if such a thing occurs), various zombie flicks have demonstrated how to put those zombies down.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ.
It remains an unsubstantiated religious belief/myth, (sans evidence), and something which is best "forgotten" as a superstitious aberration.
But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
There's no evidence that such a superstitious religious myth is "truth" and therefore, the only thing to "warn people about" is that there's no reason to believe in such superstitions.
Dear Falcon, I can't help but notice that any time anybody has something to say about Christianity, you simply cannot restrain yourself. I cannot understand why you put so much energy into this. If this is such an issue with you, why don't you present your own thoughts in a way that is not always attacking? What is it that you have which is better? I'm curious.
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So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ.
It remains an unsubstantiated religious belief/myth, (sans evidence), and something which is best "forgotten" as a superstitious aberration.
But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
There's no evidence that such a superstitious religious myth is "truth" and therefore, the only thing to "warn people about" is that there's no reason to believe in such superstitions.
Dear Falcon, I can't help but notice that any time anybody has something to say about Christianity, you simply cannot restrain yourself.
In other words, when xtians 'preach' incessantly, all you've 'noticed' is my opposition, (not the religious propagandizing). That's an inherent part of the blindness of blind religious faith, (the selective 'vision').
I cannot understand why you put so much energy into this. If this is such an issue with you, why don't you present your own thoughts in a way that is not always attacking?
Pointing out that, logically, such mythology has no evidentiary basis is not inherently "attacking", (unless the myth is within a religious belief and such 'believers' mis-perceive any rational opposition to religious irrationality as an 'attack').
What is it that you have which is better? I'm curious.
My preference is for logical reasoning and the pragmatic rationality which derives from it. You might consider trying it sometime as it may provide a refreshing new insight upon those irrational superstitious beliefs. *
*- since "logic" isn't a religion per se, no religious proselytizing has occurred.
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35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
from Matthew 24 King James Version Bible online
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It doesn't matter since, (if such a thing occurs), various zombie flicks have demonstrated how to put those zombies down.
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I'm so glad to see some one on FC who really belives that Jesus Christ is coming back. So many people have forgotten about the return of Christ. But, let's lift this truth up and warn people about it.
If you read the end of Mathew,Jesus NEVER said he was leaving.He would be with us ALL the days till the end of this system of things.
Jesus has left the Holy Spirit with us to comfort us. He is in Heaven and will come again. In John 14:2, Jesus says (KJV,) "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14:3 continues, (NLT,) "When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am."
And Jesus says in John 10 :16 that he has other sheep which are NOT of this fold.
The meek shall inherit the earth
The righteous will possess the earth
The earth stands till time indefinite
Have you studied John 10? The "other sheep" which are NOT of this fold are from the Jewish church, from Israel:
"He (Jesus) is acquainted with those that are hereafter to be of this flock (John 10:16): Other sheep I have, have a right to and an interest in, which are not of this fold, of the Jewish church; them also I must bring. Observe,
[a.] The eye that Christ had to the poor Gentiles. He had sometimes intimated his special concern for the lost sheep of the house of Israel; to them indeed his personal ministry was confined; but, saith he, I have other sheep. Those who in process of time should believe in Christ, and be brought into obedience to him from among the Gentiles, are here called sheep, and he is said to have them, though as yet they were uncalled, and many of them unborn, because they were chosen of God, and given to Christ in the counsels of divine love from eternity. Christ has a right, by virtue of the Father’s donation and his own purchase, to many a soul of which he has not yet the possession; thus he had much people in Corinth, when as yet it lay in wickedness, Acts 18:10. “Those other sheep I have,” saith Christ, “I have them on my heart, have them in my eye, am as sure to have them as if I had them already.”
Now Christ speaks of those other sheep, First, To take off the contempt that was put upon him, as having few followers, as having but a little flock, and therefore, if a good shepherd, yet a poor shepherd: “But,” saith he, “I have more sheep than you see.” Secondly, To take down the pride and vain-glory of the Jews, who thought the Messiah must gather all his sheep from among them. “No,” saith Christ, “I have others whom I will set with the lambs of my flock, though you disdain to set them with the dogs of your flock.”
[b.] The purposes and resolves of his grace concerning them: “Them also I must bring, bring home to God, bring into the church, and, in order to this, bring off from their vain conversation, bring them back from their wanderings, as that lost sheep,” Luke 15:5. But why must he bring them? What was the necessity? First, The necessity of their case required it: “I must bring, or they must be left to wander endlessly, for, like sheep, they will never come back of themselves, and no other can or will bring them.” Secondly, The necessity of his own engagements required it; he must bring them, or he would not be faithful to his trust, and true to his undertaking. “They are my own, bought and paid for, and therefore I must not neglect them nor leave them to perish.” He must in honour bring those with whom he was entrusted.
[c.] The happy effect and consequence of this, in two things:—First, “They shall hear my voice. Not only my voice shall be heard among them (whereas they have not heard, and therefore could not believe, now the sound of the gospel shall go to the ends of the earth), but it shall be heard by them; I will speak, and give to them to hear.” Faith comes by hearing, and our diligent observance of the voice of Christ is both a means and an evidence of our being brought to Christ, and to God by him. Secondly, There shall be one fold and one shepherd. As there is one shepherd, so there shall be one fold. Both Jews and Gentiles, upon their turning to the faith of Christ, shall be incorporated in one church, be joint and equal sharers in the privileges of it, without distinction. Being united to Christ, they shall unite in him; two sticks shall become one in the hand of the Lord. Note, One shepherd makes one fold; one Christ makes one church. As the church is one in its constitution, subject to one head, animated by one Spirit, and guided by one rule, so the members of it ought to be one in love and affection, Eph. 4:3-6."
Matthew Henry's Commentary
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A16&version=NIV
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There are five reasons why Christ has to return:
(1) - Jesus must come back because of the promises of the Old Testament that have yet to be fulfilled. Scores of prophecies were fulfilled concerning His First Coming. But some prophecies still remain to be fulfilled. For example, the Scripture says, "The government shall be upon his shoulder. ... Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever."(Isaiah 9:6-7)
That Scripture has not been fulfilled. The government is not yet upon His shoulder. Jesus did not bring world peace in His First Coming, nor did He bring world justice. But He will bring it the second time, because the Scripture teaches that all prophecies will be fulfilled. (Ezekiel 12:23-28).
In Micah the prophet says, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."(Micah 4:3) Consider the wars that are being fought now. Some day, however, people will make spears into pruninghooks, and nations will not lift up swords against nations. Why? Because the Prince of Peace is coming back--He's going to be the world ruler.
There is no fact to this at all.. merely "prochecy" .. by that logic all prochecies must come true which is not true. Furthermore, if jesus coming back means world peace and no war, are you implying that his return would mean the end of sin? that no one no matter how evil would strike against another? Everyone would just stop thinking and acting like themselfs? That is absurd.
*(2) - Jesus Christ has to return because of His own statements. He is absolute truth. The Bible says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."(Matthew 24:27) This prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, but I believe it will be, because He said it.
Jesus didn't lie to us. He said, "I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."(John 14:2-3) The Lord Jesus Himself is coming back! That's how much He loves us. He gives us a new life here, but He also has a great plan for the future. For eternity!
The Bible says that we are joint heirs with the Lord Jesus Christ and that we will spend eternity with Him. What is He doing now? He is preparing a home for us who love Him. It has been 2,000 years. What a home it must be!
His own statements? You mean alleged statements that someone else (and all men are sinners right?) quoted and wrote down (which then got translated i dont know how many times). And why would it take him 2000 years to create a home for believers while billions and billions died? (and isnt that place already supost to be created, you know heaven were the dead believers are supost to be currently) Dont yall believe god made the earth and everthing on it in a week?? (and I dont even wanna get started right now on how you explain the millions of other planets, suns, ect out there in the universe)
*(3) - Jesus Christ must come back because of the present position of Satan. The devil is the most powerful being in all the world, except for God Himself. The Bible says that the devil is called "the god of this world."(2Corinthians 4:4) That means that he's the director of the false religions and philosophies of the world. Humanity is helpless before him. Mankind is unable to chain him. The churches cannot dethrone him. Legislation is impotent in dealing with the enormous power of evil in the world.
But let's not forget one fact. There is One who is more powerful than Satan is.This One defeated Satan 2,000 years ago on the cross. Satan suffered his greatest defeat at the cross and in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But the devil is still loose, still in charge of the evil that is in the world: All the injustices, all the wars, all the crime, all the wickedness, all the terrible things, in the world.
There's only one Person in heaven or on earth who can deal with the devil, and He's coming back to throw Satan into the bottomless pit and ultimately into the lake of fire. Then we will be freed from this terrible pull of evil and the satanic power that has controlled the hearts of people for all these centuries. That's why Christ has to come. He's the only One who can deliver us. And the world is looking for a deliverer.
So everything bad that happens is satan and everything good that happens is god? (how conveniently simple) Well then by what you say in #4, satan is more powerful then god, because alot more bad is happening then good.
You also said "he's the director of the false religions and philosophies of the world." So anyone whos not christian is controlled by satan? Even the people who dont believe that are wholesome good peaceful people?
And if jesus dieing on the cross defeated satan, and satan is responsible for all the injustices, wars, evil, ect, then why did none of that EVER stop after jesus died on the cross? How do you defeat someone but nothing changes and all the bad keeps on coming without slowing? (including all the other people who also were crusified, before and after jesus was)
*(4) - Jesus Christ must return because of the present chaos in the world--our world is racked with pain, suffering, hunger, war, murder, lust, greed, hate, fraud, corruption. Human government seems to be unsuccessful in dealing with these problems. The world is becoming more and more helpless and hopeless in this technological age. Many sociologists and scientists believe we have the capability to destroy ourselves. And we can.
But the Scripture says, "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompense; he will come and save you."(Isaiah 35:4) Jesus Christ will save us and set up His Kingdom of righteousness and glory and peace and justice. And what a world that's going to be! Will you be ready?
The world has ALWAYS been racked with pain, suffering, hunger, war, murder, lust, greed, hate, fraud, corruption - it has been that way before any religion as well as during and after. If he must return because of the current chaos and evil in the world then by that logic, he must have already returned - he didnt though.
*(5) - Jesus Christ must come back because of the dead in Christ--those people who died believing in God and trusting Him. When Jesus comes back, there will be a great resurrection and the believers will be raised from the dead, and the believers who are alive will be caught up in the air to be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
Why would the dead believers, who yall think are already in heaven, be raised from the dead? To go to heaven a 2nd time with the 'alive believers'?? This one particularly makes no sense.. he must come back because of the people who died believing in him and are already in heaven before he comes back anyways.. ya even in a 'religious logic' that is illogical
Your entitled to your opinions, and so am I. These are mine. I probably could have made better points then I did but Im tired and theres so many holes and flaws that I could be up all night thinking of them.
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Read Math 24:14
Only 1 sect preaching the good news of the kingdom worldwide and making disciples of people as Jesus foretold.
And remember what Jesus said about christendom after they claimed to have supported him...he said,"i never knew you you workers of lawlessness"
I would suggest many of you examine your religeon with the bible.
So many here support this world and then claim to be xtian.Jesus said "the whole world lies in power of wicked one"Remember satan offered jesus all the kingdoms for an act of worship.
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Jesus said also "my kingdom is no part of this world"when on trial.
You cant serve 2 masters...the political system satan has built up and then claim to follow Jesus.
You ask when hes coming.....clearly he says at the end of Mathew "i am with you till the conclusion of this system"
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Mark 13:32-33
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come."
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Mark 13:32-33
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come."
True.....as a thief in the night.
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Mark 13:32-33
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come."
True.....as a thief in the night.
False as a liar in the daylight; such superstitious nonsense is unsubstantiated religious belief, sans evidence.
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Jesus Christ is soon to return. Many people are waiting and watching for his return. So many others are lost and don't know where their soul is going upon Christ return.
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You can fine a study group, and some church teach on the subject.
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Just saying : the seventh Day Advent does a great job. I just finish their seminar in June 2012.
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Jesus Christ is soon to return. Many people are waiting and watching for his return. So many others are lost and don't know where their soul is going upon Christ return.
...said every single christian through history...
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if you believe in him he can come back anyday if you only believe.