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Title: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 12, 2012, 12:40:43 pm
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: joyroos18 on November 12, 2012, 12:49:48 pm
no you are not suppose to give out the link i would remove it, let people that want to know find it , most people are smart enough to get the info just from what you said without the link,
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: heroftimes on November 12, 2012, 01:00:33 pm
You can post links.  Please re-read the rules and use your brain.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: BlackSheepNY on November 12, 2012, 02:25:59 pm
The only links that are gonna get you in trouble are posting the links that are gonna make you money, like your Member Link to another site you belong to that may get you a new referral.  I've posted links before, so posting the link to the ACLJ is not going to be a problem.
Title: Re: {no magical intercessory rituals} For Isreal
Post by: falcon9 on November 12, 2012, 04:50:03 pm
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God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them.

Basing geopolitical decisions on conflicting superstitious religious beliefs is not rational.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 12, 2012, 05:06:32 pm
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.

The person that does righteousness before God is acceptable to him.The Jews put Jesus to death.They rejected him.They are NOT Gods chosen people anymore.That still doesnt mean its acceptable to war with them either.The UN is part of this world and the bible says this world lies in the power of the wicked one.

You speak about bible but forget Jesus said to love your enemies and how he disciplined Peter after Peter defended him.He said you dont think i could have called my father for a legion of angels?

Stop mixing politics with the bible.

Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 12, 2012, 05:10:04 pm
My kingdom is NOOOOOOOOO part of this world said Jesus.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: bigedshult on November 12, 2012, 09:36:26 pm
now that Obama got in a gen I hop that he keeps his ward that he will stand by it.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: ajami on November 13, 2012, 02:19:34 am
Who is this nation that is supposedely trying this?  Palestinian's, and if that is the case than they have the right to be recognized since israel was their land at one time.  And if it is not them than I still would like to know who.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 13, 2012, 06:52:40 am
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.

The person that does righteousness before God is acceptable to him.The Jews put Jesus to death.They rejected him.They are NOT Gods chosen people anymore.That still doesnt mean its acceptable to war with them either.The UN is part of this world and the bible says this world lies in the power of the wicked one.

You speak about bible but forget Jesus said to love your enemies and how he disciplined Peter after Peter defended him.He said you dont think i could have called my father for a legion of angels?

Stop mixing politics with the bible.



Not to sound rude, but almost everything in that comment was wrong. Gace you read about Jesus paying tribute to Ceaser or about being graffed into the tree by faith? Do you read your Bible?
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 13, 2012, 06:53:54 am
Who is this nation that is supposedely trying this?  Palestinian's, and if that is the case than they have the right to be recognized since israel was their land at one time.  And if it is not them than I still would like to know who.
You can go to their web site to learn more.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: mjoseph1 on November 13, 2012, 06:55:56 am
i hope this stops before it escalates to the point where countless numbers of innocent lives are lost
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: heroftimes on November 13, 2012, 06:58:40 am
I hope our country could just get the hell out of the middle east.  The whole place is a ticking time bomb and the last thing we need is to get involved with more "conflicts" over there.  Let the people over there figure it out and we should mind our own business and work on fixing the U.S.A.

i hope this stops before it escalates to the point where countless numbers of innocent lives are lost
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 13, 2012, 11:24:20 pm
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.

The person that does righteousness before God is acceptable to him.The Jews put Jesus to death.They rejected him.They are NOT Gods chosen people anymore.That still doesnt mean its acceptable to war with them either.The UN is part of this world and the bible says this world lies in the power of the wicked one.

You speak about bible but forget Jesus said to love your enemies and how he disciplined Peter after Peter defended him.He said you dont think i could have called my father for a legion of angels?

Stop mixing politics with the bible.



Not to sound rude, but almost everything in that comment was wrong. Gace you read about Jesus paying tribute to Ceaser or about being graffed into the tree by faith? Do you read your Bible?
Now go read yours

Acts 10:35
!st John 5:19
Math 26:51
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 13, 2012, 11:43:50 pm
Let me also make 1 thing clear in the bible...

Jesus NEVER refers to himself as God.He always gives his father that recognition.

John 17 :26
Math 6 :9


I have made your NAME known...the only TRUE GOD and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ.

Let your name be sanctified

Luke 22:42 Remove this cup from me,let not my will but yours take place

There are many more too.So please dont ask me if i read bible...Jesus was Godlike yes......But he was Gods son and i dont see many here give the father that title or mention of name.

Or maybe you feel those scriptures are Jesus talking to himself.

Jesus was Gods master worker and begotten son.1ST of all creation Col 1 :15 firstborn of all creation

Master worker...in Genesis Let US make man....notice its not Let me...its Let us



Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: falcon9 on November 13, 2012, 11:58:36 pm
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Let me also make 1 thing clear in the bible...

Since the reference is to superstitious hearsay, unsupported by factual evidence, ('metaphysical' evidence factually supporting supernatural claims, not physical archeological finds), the source is not reliable and therefore, dismissed as extraneous.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: JediJohnnie on November 14, 2012, 12:53:08 pm
Jesus is in fact God. (I'm sure this discussion is bound to get messy since it involves---The Trinity! :o)

There are several verses that support this:

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30  I and the Father are one

John 20:28-29  Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
  Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed
(note:Jesus doesn't rebuke Thomas for worshipping him.)

There are many other places to note the trinity,(Matt 28:19,2 Corn:13-14,Mark 1:10-11)
And to save us some time I'll admit right off the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible. :)
The concept,however,does.
Title: faith-based claims (was Re: Pray For Isreal)
Post by: falcon9 on November 14, 2012, 01:10:28 pm
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Jesus is in fact God.

Faith-based opinions related to unsubstantiated metaphysical claims are not facts.

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There are several verses that support this

Since the reference is to superstitious hearsay, unsupported by factual evidence, ('metaphysical' evidence factually supporting supernatural claims, not physical archeological finds), the source is not reliable and therefore, dismissed as extraneous.



 
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 04:20:56 pm
Jesus is in fact God. (I'm sure this discussion is bound to get messy since it involves---The Trinity! :o)

There are several verses that support this:

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30  I and the Father are one

John 20:28-29  Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
  Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed
(note:Jesus doesn't rebuke Thomas for worshipping him.)Jesus said the father is greater then i and ihave put up a host of others that i dont feel like repeating...Psalms 83:18 says Jehovah is most high over the earth...NOT Jesus...Jesus represented his father on earth...Godlike yes.....NOT Jehovah

There are many other places to note the trinity,(Matt 28:19,2 Corn:13-14,Mark 1:10-11)
And to save us some time I'll admit right off the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible. :)
The concept,however,does.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 04:25:41 pm
The name Jesus means Jehovah is salvation.

Col 1:15 shows Jesus was firstborn of all creation.

This wont get messy...its clear Jesus was Gods son......The scripture that Jesus said I have made your name known the only true God and the one u sent forth...cant get much clearer.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 04:32:51 pm
Let me add..why do you think Jesus is referred to as a begotten son?Because Jehovah created him directly...all other things were created by the 2 of them.Jesus is referred to as Gods master worker.

I gave the example in Genesis...Let US make man...NOT Let me make man.Us is plural.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 04:36:40 pm
I and the father are one.....Jesus didnt mean that literally....

He represented everything his father stands for.....you see it on earth...a son represents his father in business etc.

Why would he say that then say the father is greater then i.....makes no sense.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: kewl4reals on November 14, 2012, 04:52:09 pm
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.
Yes i really hope that Israel is okay.  They are a chosen people and deserve peace
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: jcribb16 on November 14, 2012, 04:55:20 pm
I am definitely praying for the leaders and the people of Israel.  They are in a stormy and scary time.  Even their children are being fitted for gas masks to have with them where they go, because of the threat and carrying out of missiles and rockets aimed to their country.  Thanks for posting this.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: hitch0403 on November 14, 2012, 05:00:33 pm
Rockets got fired at Israel this weekend according to a Christian site that shares news with me by email. I already signed the petition that is being sent to the United Nations. This petition says that those who fired rockets are seeking to become a terroirist lead nation and want the United Nations to grant them statehood. This goes against the law of authority that the United Nations has. This petition makes that clear and asks the U.N not to grant these people statehood. Go to aclj.org to find the link. (I am not supposed to give that link out according to forum rules. Please stand for Israel and pray. God talks about blessing those that bless Israel and cursing those that curse them. I stand with Israel.
Yes i really hope that Israel is okay.  They are a chosen people and deserve peace
Does the bible say the righteous person is acceptable to him?
Does the bible say God lets it rain on righteous and unrighteous?
Did Jesus say to love our enemies?
Did Jesus say whoever takes up the sword will die by it?

Enuff said.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: jcribb16 on November 14, 2012, 09:16:15 pm
Why is Israel responding in Gaza?

130 rockets were fired to Israel from Gaza in the last 72 hours. (and here today, it's 11/14)
Almost 1000 rockets were fired in 2012.
More than 1,000,000 Israelis live under a threat.

This comes currently from the IDF Spokesperson Israel Defense Forces; The Prime Minister of Israel
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: inertia4 on November 15, 2012, 04:34:48 am
Well, I have a different view on Israel. I feel that they are also partly to blame for all the terrorism going on in this world. The United States should not support any country in the middle east.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: heroftimes on November 15, 2012, 05:52:18 am
 :thumbsup:

This isn't a one sided affair, there are plenty of reports of Israel attacks that have killed children in Gaza.  Time for us to get out and let other countries deal with their own foreign affairs.  The US has neither the money or the men to spare to get involved in another senseless war.

Well, I have a different view on Israel. I feel that they are also partly to blame for all the terrorism going on in this world. The United States should not support any country in the middle east.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tfw6693 on November 15, 2012, 06:00:42 am
We pray for the peace of Israel every day.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 15, 2012, 08:54:59 am
Let me also make 1 thing clear in the bible...

Jesus NEVER refers to himself as God.He always gives his father that recognition.

John 17 :26
Math 6 :9


I have made your NAME known...the only TRUE GOD and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ.

Let your name be sanctified

Luke 22:42 Remove this cup from me,let not my will but yours take place

There are many more too.So please dont ask me if i read bible...Jesus was Godlike yes......But he was Gods son and i dont see many here give the father that title or mention of name.

Or maybe you feel those scriptures are Jesus talking to himself.

Jesus was Gods master worker and begotten son.1ST of all creation Col 1 :15 firstborn of all creation

Master worker...in Genesis Let US make man....notice its not Let me...its Let us





You have everything wrong. Jesus is part of the trinity. Father, Son, Holy Ghost are the trinity. Read Matthew ch 1.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 15, 2012, 08:56:50 am
Jesus is in fact God. (I'm sure this discussion is bound to get messy since it involves---The Trinity! :o)

There are several verses that support this:

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30  I and the Father are one

John 20:28-29  Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
  Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed
(note:Jesus doesn't rebuke Thomas for worshipping him.)

There are many other places to note the trinity,(Matt 28:19,2 Corn:13-14,Mark 1:10-11)
And to save us some time I'll admit right off the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible. :)
The concept,however,does.

Totally right.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: tuscarorarain on November 15, 2012, 08:59:04 am
Let me add..why do you think Jesus is referred to as a begotten son?Because Jehovah created him directly...all other things were created by the 2 of them.Jesus is referred to as Gods master worker.

I gave the example in Genesis...Let US make man...NOT Let me make man.Us is plural.

He wouldnt have said it if He didn't mran it. What about all the other scripture he provided?
Title: Re: {don't} Pray For Isreal {due to magical intercession being specious}
Post by: falcon9 on November 15, 2012, 12:57:12 pm
im tired repeating..it doesnt do any good... 

It's your choice to repetitiously post specious religious beliefs which have no bearing or evidentiary support beyond the circularity of believing such because it's believed.
Title: rain dances (was Re: Pray For Isreal)
Post by: falcon9 on November 15, 2012, 01:25:29 pm
Again it comes back to scriptures like God letting it rain on unrighteous and righteous.

"Precipitation forms when cloud droplets (or ice particles) in clouds grow and combine to become so large that their fall speed exceeds the updraft speed in the cloud, and they then fall out of the cloud. If these large water drops or ice particles do not re-evaporate as they fall farther below the cloud, they reach the ground as precipitation. Precipitation that does re-evaporate before reaching the ground is called "virga".

Can it be any clearer?

Yes, there is no substantive evidence that 'g-d' makes it rain.
Title: cultish spokespersons (was Re: Pray For Isreal)
Post by: falcon9 on November 15, 2012, 01:29:56 pm
Gods people are a worldwide brotherhood......

That sounds like a cult of some sort.

Blacks....Jews.....Orientals....yellows.....EVERYONE righteous in Gods eyes is acceptable to him!!!

"You can safely say that you have made g-d in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people
you do."
-- Reverend Robert Cromey
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: lynnc35 on November 16, 2012, 02:29:12 am
i seen this on a post on facebook, funny how we are not hearing about this so much...This is how the world is going to go to war.
Title: Re: Pray For Isreal
Post by: ajami on November 16, 2012, 04:17:11 am
How many lives has Israel taken in last 30 years or so or just in the past year.  How come everyone wants to defend them but not the innocent lives on other side too.  Read both sides of the story not just one.  Religion has nothing to do with it whatsoever.