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Title: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: joker365247 on May 05, 2013, 11:12:41 am
If owning a gun is really an inalienable right, why do I have to pay to have one? All of the other rights are free, so why do I have to pay several hundred dollars ($1200+ for a good one). Anything you have pay to do is a privilege, not a right.
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: davidf938 on May 05, 2013, 11:28:29 am
What you say doesn't make since. The government is not going to give you a gun, just as they are not going to give you a car, a house, or anything else. The right is to keep and bear arms it says nothing about the arms being given to you.
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: BlackSheepNY on May 06, 2013, 03:45:30 pm
If owning a gun is really an inalienable right, why do I have to pay to have one? All of the other rights are free, so why do I have to pay several hundred dollars ($1200+ for a good one). Anything you have pay to do is a privilege, not a right.

I guess you never heard that quote, "Freedom isn't Free."
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: lvstephanie on May 07, 2013, 09:28:55 am
Everything you do costs money. Your right to life? You still have to pay for food, water, sanitation, medical costs, etc. Your taxes pay for your right to vote.

BTW, the right to bear arms is not an unalienable right, but rather is an inalienable right... The difference being that an unalienable right is a right that cannot be taken away from an individual while an inalienable right is one that may be given to someone (or something) else. An easy way to distinguish the difference is whether a right is unalienable or inalienable is whether the right is something innate that cannot be transferred vs something that is more of a man-made construct: a "natural right" is unalienable whereas a "legal right" is inalienable. When you are born, you are given the gift of life, and that right cannot be given to someone else; no one (even your own mother) can breathe for you, pump your blood, etc. On the other hand, the right to self-protection may be given to another individual with that person's consent (ie hiring a body guard, paying taxes for a police department and military, etc) and so it is considered to be an inalieanable right. And with inalienable rights, although you may transfer those rights to some other entity, you may choose not do so completely. So while I cede some of my rights to self-protection to the government, I still may retain my own rights to keep and bear arms in the event that the government is unable to protect my life (eg I can still protect my life if someone breaks into my house and want to murder me).

Finally, a privilege is something that is granted to you by some other entity. Usually this is granted based upon some person's responsibility being established about that action. Your ability to drive is a privilege in that the government bestows a license to an individual for using public roads predicated on the fact that you've demonstrated your responsibility to follow traffic laws by passing a driver's test. Basically a privilege (in the legal sense) is a benefit that is given to the individual by the government based on terms and conditions set forth by the government.
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: christina605 on May 08, 2013, 12:23:21 pm
i agree with the person who said it doesn't make sense for the govt to GIVE us guns.... i mean shouldn't they give out houses and cars first??
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: vickysue on May 08, 2013, 12:38:17 pm
I agree the govn. should not give out guns free. It is something you have to buy for yourself just like food. But as far as the gov. giving out houses they already provide housing for a lot of peope pluse free food. ad medical help. The rest of us pay for ours. 
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: Sciolaro on May 10, 2013, 04:47:39 am
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Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: rghvac69 on May 10, 2013, 05:17:52 am
Whatever the government gives you, they can take it away.
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: hawkeye3210 on May 10, 2013, 11:59:43 am
If owning a gun is really an inalienable right, why do I have to pay to have one? All of the other rights are free, so why do I have to pay several hundred dollars ($1200+ for a good one). Anything you have pay to do is a privilege, not a right.

You have the right to own a gun, not the right to a gun. The right to own a gun exists regardless if one actually owns a gun or not. When one buys a gun, they are buying the rights to that particular gun.
Title: Re: Owning a gun is not really a right
Post by: queenofnines on May 11, 2013, 12:18:55 pm
There are plenty of things that we consider "rights" that aren't free. Most of them aren't, in fact.