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At church today, the issue of Adam, Eve and the serpent arose. The agreement was that the serpent tricked Eve into eating the fruit of the Forbidden Tree of Good and Evil. Also in agreement was the fact that Adam ate the fruit as well. The argument was that sin was nonexistent until this act was done. Naturally, my husband asked the question, "Why don't women obey their men?" I have a possible answer for this question. If we obeyed men, they would think it is okay to tell us to jump in the lake, and women, obeying the men, would take this to heart and actually jump in, expecting their men to jump in and rescue us. It is an indication that they would consider us as stupid. The men who are abusers feel that they have the right to beat us because we don't obey; we are not supposed to have a thought mechanism, because they are supposed to do the thinking for us. My ex actually told me that God would bless me for helping his friends, but he didn't care about God himself. Anytime a man tell you that he wants to be buried in his underwear because, where he is going, it is going to be hot, as he (my ex) did when he told me, you can take it to heart that he is going to hell with gasoline drawers on. My husband told me that he would beat his first wife and take her money, because he valued other things rather than her or his children. He gives credit to God for giving him a second chance by showing him the mistakes he made in his first marriage. My grandson is a big part of my life as well as his. Your take on this? :icon_rr: :female: :male: :wave:
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BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOGS NOR DO THEY OWN US
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eve ate first by despond but adom chose to do it .the woman only is to obey only when he obey God not when he Obey saton
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The best answer I ever got was from a Baptist preacher who was drinking vodka with me. :) And the simple straight forward non sexist answer is that women don't obey their man when he is a poor leader. Than because the man is not doing his job. It falls upon the woman to lead. Just like in the miitary if the LT is not giving good orders or making since it does not take long until the Sgt is doing the LT's job since the LT has suffered a career ending injury.
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I personally love questions like this because my answer blowed away my preacher one day and left him speechless because he lived by a (woman owns man) perspective..
Woman were never created to Serve a man But merly to Help a man.. God was Not satisfied with making only a man so he created a deep sleep to fall upon adam and alas he created a helpmate for him named eve. Bones of his bones he created the woman. The womans Job is to Help the man.. The roles of the woman are. Multiply and be fruitful and submition to the husband.. Submitting to your husband does not mean (sex) or (ownage) of a woman. It simply means to give the relationship your all your heart, your soul, etc..and of course repopulate the earth. Serving a man is not (obeying a man).In my personal opinion Not one is to be Served exept for God himself. This is where humans come into play.. To serve the Lord and spread his word..
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I believe the old meaning of "obey your spouse" has different meaning today. I do what is best for me, and for my family. If someone asks me to do something I don't want, or don't agree with, I shouldn't be punished for NOT OBEYING.
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minioncookies - GREAT ANSWER.
I looked this up and the first thing I found under the biblical meaning of obey is this..
1. Meaning of Terms:
In its simpler Old Testament meaning the word signifies "to hear," "to listen." It carries with it, however, the ethical significance of hearing with reverence and obedient assent. In the New Testament a different origin is suggestive of "hearing under" or of subordinating one's self to the person or thing heard, hence, "to obey." There is another New Testament usage, however, indicating persuasion from, peithomai.
Opposed to the websters definition
1 do as told: to follow instructions or behave in accordance with a law, rule, or order
2 be controlled: to be controlled by somebody or something
Clearly the word obey took on a different meaning when our God was creating man and woman. Similar to words like fat, cool or sweet - the word "obey" has taken on different meaning through the years. Not everything said and written in the bible translates to the way we have warped our cultures and the meaning of simple concepts.
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My vows did not include "obey". I told my husband right from the start it was an equal relationship. I would listen to him to a degree but I was not a dog and did not want to be treated as such.
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Women would probably be more apt to obey if men were smarter than women, but NOT!
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First off, I am not religious, so that whole bible thing holds no water with me. Second, lets just say that the adam and eve thing was real for a second. Now, if that were true, both, adam and eve were stupid and should not have eaten the fruit. They would have supposedly lived forever. Now, here is my question, what does that adam and eve thing have to do with women obeying men? She would have not been obeying adam, she would have been obeying god. They both supposedly got tricked into eating the fruit. Now, lets get back to reality. Women are human beings just like men. And as far as I am concerned, women and men should always be treated equal. I have lots of respect for women and admire their strength. Mo man, nor woman, should be obeying either one. Equality is where it's at. That's my two cents.
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Women and men, husbands and wives are equal, no one should have to 'obey' anymore. My vows did not have obey, we both promised to love, honor, and respect as long as we both shall love.
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Just give and take, not obey always sometimes men should obey their women also.
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I don't believe either sex needs to be the leader and demand submission. We all have strengths and weaknesses that playout in everyday life. We can help each other out, but not rule over the other. :female:
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:) The Bible also says for Husbands to Love their wives as Christ Loved the Church. Obeying is not the same as being a slave or whipping post.
The more I treat my wife like a Queen, the more I get treated like a King.
Happily married over 41 years. :wave:
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THE BIBLE ALSO TEACHES THAT A MAN SHOULD LOVE AND RESPECT HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN. JESUS TAUGHT HIS DECIPLES ABOUT MARRIAGE ISSUES FREQUENTLY AND I DONT BELEIVE THAT HE EVER MENTIONED THAT IT WAS ALRIGHT FOR ANYONE TO BEAT HIS/HER SPOUSE. :BangHead:
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Women were born just as free as men were. We're not here to "obey" or be slaves to anyone. We were put on this Earth to COMPLIMENT each other because both men and women have something valuable to give - to each other - and to the world.
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My husband lives by the ways of the Bible, as I do. He supports his family in every way, and I obey him. Now that being said, he doesn't miss treat me in any way, I actually make most decisions in our family, but if something comes up that he really feels strong about, I would never go against his wishes. I do this because I love my husband, and completely trust him, and I think any wife would do the same, they just don't all consider it as obeying..
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They think that we should bow to them. I will not do that. We are supposed to be equal.
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I dont understand why people think just because you have a *bleep* you are entitled to rule world or a womans life. If I as woman have the ability to create and give life than I have more power not you why should I have to listen to your inane ramblings
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Guys I love this conversation.. about this word Obey.. The question asked, why don't women
obey their men?. Well, my way of understanding. Women should not obey their men or men
should not obey their women but they should give respectful and caring to each other. But
to Obey God Laws... We all shall equally respectfully, we all shall equally caring and so so
on with God Beautiful Words. Beautiful, Beautiful words of God.... Ladies and Gentlement
I Love You All..... Peace 2 You All.... :angel11: :angel11:
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can't imagine that anyone would consider a marriage as a need to obey, its all about cooperation.
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I don't think women need to obey the men, when the women was created God told Adam the she was a compliment to him not a slave, so it should of been a discussion. As for Adam God said he was the head of his household so when a husband and wife work together than we wouldn't be in the predicament because Adam new better so he wasn't deceived like eve was so he followed her rather than saying no.
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I am not surprised by some of these responses. My husband believes that I am supposed to obey him. For instance, the subject of burial insurance came up. His sister told him that $5,000 will not bury a person. He decided to look into more insurance besides the $5,000 we have on each other's bodies. The funeral home here in West Point, MS, is reputable and does good work. Another one of his sisters told him she has her entire family insured at $30,000 each and she is only paying $26. He jumped the gun and thought I was going along with him on this. The other funeral home is in Starkville, MS and I know nothing about it. On this subject I balked because of two reasons: I like the work done at our funeral home and knew that we could add to the policy we already have and he was trying to go cheap. Finally, I actually won this argument. Not only are we insured, but my grandson is also insured and we still have the first policy. We are out of nearly $80+ dollars, but I am happy with the outcome. We argue because he wants to tell me what to do, and I told him that I married him and he has to listen to me also. He tried yesterday and told me we don't get mad with the pastor at our church when he calls us "fat" and I pointed out to him that I didn't marry the pastor, nor did I marry his family; I married his big head. He no longer thought it was funny. :male: :female: :female: :thumbsup: :wave:
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I think people are so confused because some people think that a female should obey the male. OR we know that a female and a male should be equal and work together. :heart:
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my father was like that.being that he said the way it was gonna be..he chose my mama's clothes,everything..she did as he said..well my mama finally grew up one day and decided she could make decisions too.well my father didn't like this.they divorced,and with each of his 2 wives and girlfriends he tried the same thing..my sister is just like him,her husband does as she says and nothing more..me,i don't think so.i have a brain and no one is gonna treat me like that..i work and help contribute to the house.my voice is just as good as my husbands..we decide things together..if we dont agree it doesn't get done until we come to an agreement..he loses and i lose...it's equality and the best way to be...i married a husband not my father and no one will tell me what to do
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My ex was that way. Not only was i to Obey him, but i was to do for him all the time. He also had another saying do as i say not as i do. Dang i never had time to play around on him like he did me. not with working in the hay fields helping plant crops fixing meals for the hired hands, laundry taking of 2 active boys, my garden, canning. Darn i am tired again. But now you know why he is the ex. Oh did i say he would be gone for weeks at time and parting at night while he was gone. the creep
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I see I am not the only female who has a problem with the word "obey". My husband throws the word around at will. If I actually obeyed him, I would lose the right to make my own decisions. I cannot help it because his sisters actually tell him what to do, but I have the right to make my own decisions. I know there are men who try to strip women down to being submissive creatures, but I am not one. As I told my husband, "Just because you wear the pants, I do not have to obey you. My father has been dead since I was 2, and he has been dead 53 years. And I don't see you as being part of the Army. You are not a general, so you can get over yourself". I asked my brother in-law why they nicknamed him "Baby", and he explained it to me that "he played the baby role to get what he wanted, and the name stuck." He found out yesterday that I had $20 stashed away, and he had no idea. He found out because we were out yesterday and, because of a screw up with my cellphone company, I needed to get a card to put in the reserve. He went in to get it and I gave him $40. It shocked him because he thought I didn't have enough to cover it. Not only did I cover it, I had $7 left over. Men think they have the right to hold things over their heads and I hate to ask him for anything because he feels justified to tell me "I have my hand out but cannot do what he tells me to do". :female: :male: :female: :wave:
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I have several thoughts. In the wedding vows the man also promises to love honor cherish and obey his wife. The two become one. By God's plan the man should be the leader of the household. But that is not the case. You have a ton of men who are lazy and if the family has a place to live the woman is working. Or the man is not even around.
Anyway, the Bible does say for wives to submit to their husbands but it also says for the husband to love his wife as himself. It also says after you marry your body is not your own but belongs to the other. It goes both ways but the man is suppose to be the leader of the household.
I also have thought about before what about women who never marry and live alone and buy a house. Are they doing wrong for they are the head of the household.
Things are so screwed up. Seems there are very few who are doing things as God planned :(