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There is controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks. Do you think suspending Robertson from the show was a good idea? Please share your thoughts.
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Badly handled by A&E. The man is who he is and what he is and the producers of this show know exactly who he is. He has every right to say anything he wants, and in this case in particular as it was not part of the show. A&E just stepped in it big time with the fan base which is overwhelmingly supporting him. A&E may have just killed the 'duck that lays golden eggs' for them. 'DUCK DYNASTY' is the exclusive licensed product trademark of A&E and its sales have gone to practically zero. That is just the beginning of their woes as the show is so popular that ANY sane network would pick them up in a heartbeat. Yes there are contractual considerations but that would not be overwhelming in light of the shows top ranking nationwide.
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I think Phil has every right to say what he believes, and at the same time A&E also has the right to do what they did too. I don't know what A&E's contract actually says, but often there is something like a code of ethics that the people must follow, even while not at work, esp. when it is in the public eye and can affect the network. I think part of the problem is that the average viewer of A&E in general is a little more liberal in terms of sexual orientation, so the network felt that it needed to do something in order to keep those viewers, even if that meant perhaps sacrificing the show's ratings.
I'm more amazed by how shocked everyone seems to be over this... Anyone that has watched the show knows that the Robertson family is very religious (I think they end every show with the family gathered around a dinner table and praying together), and as most Christian denominations condemn the act of homosexuality there was a great possibility that their beliefs would run along those lines. And since this is a reality show, the network also ran the risk that the beliefs held by the family may conflict with the views of the network.
I haven't actually read the entire article, but I did read some snippets that were included in a Huffington Post article on this issue, and one of the things that I noted was that Phil was asked what he considers a sin, and he went on to talk about sexual immorality in general, mentioning homosexuality, but also mentioning bestiality as well as what I perceive to be promiscuity (the quote doesn't mention this exact word, but he said "...sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men." which to me describes promiscuous behavior). People were quick to point out that he compared homosexuality to bestiality, but then failed to point out that he also compared it to promiscuity as well. He was just giving a litany of what he considers to be sins, not that he believes that homosexuals also participate in bestiality (which I think is what some people were trying to insinuate). Moreover, Phil also mentions how we're all sinners, and that it is not our responsibility for deciding who goes to heaven but rather that is God's judgement. He goes on to say that he wouldn't judge or treat a homosexual person any different just because of their lifestyle. This I think dovetails with a Christian axiom: Love the sinner, hate the sin.
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Maybe another network will pick the Robertsons up. I will really miss them, but I don't think it will work out with A&E. Maybe they are tired of the show themselves.
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I think he had the right to say what he said , we all live in the usa and we have the right to say whats on are mind... :angel11:
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Every person has a right to their views on any issue. He did not make a personal attack on anyone. He simply spoke what he firmly believes. The real problem is this country has taken a very deep degenerate turn toward those things that displeases God and pleases man. Our president has led the USA toward making homosexuality a "National" sin. Uganda, on the other hand, has increased the penalty for practicing homosexuality in that country.
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They'll say and do anything just to promote their show and brand and make more $$$$$ for them.
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There is controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks. Do you think suspending Robertson from the show was a good idea? Please share your thoughts.
I think A&E's gonna regret their decision. The First Amendment applies to EVERYONE, whether you LIKE what they have to say or NOT. What A&E did was cut Phil Robertson out of the show because he had an opinion that THEY didn't agree with. In essence, A&E stomped all over Phil Robertson's First Amendment Rights. A&E will be losing a lot of money in the very near future, and they deserve it.
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I totally believe the same as Phil Roberterson. We as Christians have just as much a right to believe the way do as any orther religion and or race. As for the duck dynasty, a lot of the merchandise is owned and sold by A&E. Only the items that have Duck commander are ownd by the Robertsons. So A&E may just be cutting off their nose on this one. As of right now i am not supporting A&E. If they drop the family, i will not be watching them agin. But if another network picks up the show that is the channel i will watch.
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They knew who he was and what his beliefs were when they started this show, so for them to act surprised now is outrageous.
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I hate the way people try and sensor what others are allowed to say....it's his mouth and he has the right to say whatever he wants...I don't have to agree or disagree with his remarks...I hate the way the media makes a mountain out of a valley.....
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About what I expected for a thread on here. Someone incorrectly assuming that the first amendment was violated and lvstephanie contributing a nice post that will go over everyone's head because it contains more than buzz words and talking points.
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I think it was all planned, some sort of publicity stunt. EVERYONE is talking about it now. Bad publicity is still publicity. While I don't agree with A&E's decision, I believe they have every right to make that decision, it's their station. Their show. They can do whatever they want, really.
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I think in the long run the family will be just fine as I have already seen posts where network folks are scrambling to pick up the show before A&E can come to their senses. Which I also saw a news report where they were getting so many calls in support of the Duck Dynasty family that it was crashing their phone network. As for the 1 st Amendament clause. No where outside of a few radicals has anybody indicated that Mr. Roberson refused anybody or group of bodies the right of speech guaranteed by the constitution. He just shared his belief and for what it is worth will now deal with the consequences of his words which I am sure will be sounded out loud and clear in every pulpit in the bible belt this weekend. Now I must close this because I need to get to Walmart before all the good Duck Dynasty gifts are gone.
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I think that while it was freedom of speech it really bothers me how much people are supporting him yet when paula dean said something similar everyone wants to rip her head off and stick it on a pike for all to see. what is the difference between her saying what she said and him saying what he said nothing. i think that we still have a lot of double standards in this world that need to be fixed.
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god will decide who is right he is the ultimate judge even though todays society seems to think it doesn't need him.
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Every person has a right to their views on any issue. He did not make a personal attack on anyone. He simply spoke what he firmly believes. The real problem is this country has taken a very deep degenerate turn toward those things that displeases God and pleases man. Our president has led the USA toward making homosexuality a "National" sin. Uganda, on the other hand, has increased the penalty for practicing homosexuality in that country.
Let me rephrase my answer. the President have done nothing but give a group of people some rights and he is not alone in this. Also our country does not follow other countries and their practicing if we did we would follow Mexico laws and make being illegal in this country a felony. In the news lately their is Catholic churches letting go priest for having sexual relations with young boys. I do not think that has anything to do with Obama.
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Anyways I like DD and I do not think Phil said anything wrong just expressing his self. :) :highfive:
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Everyone has a right to their own opinion in expressing themselves.
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I think that while it was freedom of speech it really bothers me how much people are supporting him yet when paula dean said something similar everyone wants to rip her head off and stick it on a pike for all to see. what is the difference between her saying what she said and him saying what he said nothing. i think that we still have a lot of double standards in this world that need to be fixed.
Exactly.
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There is controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks. Do you think suspending Robertson from the show was a good idea? Please share your thoughts.
I think the duck family needs to apologize for there "HATE" comments towards a type of lifestyle. PREJUDICE never got anything done
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I've never watched this show .... ugh, just the fact that so many are making money off "reality" tv ... it's not reality! it's scripted for pete's sake. anyway, I do agree with lvstephanie in that everyone has a right to say what they want and in the context that was mention in lvstephanie's post, well ... it was generalized. I haven't read it but ... again why do I care about duck dynasty ::)
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There is controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks. Do you think suspending Robertson from the show was a good idea? Please share your thoughts.
I completely disagree with the way that situation was handled. I believe that as free Americans we should be able to speak our minds. That is one of the laws that our great country was founded on; besides the remark was taken totally out of text. It really makes me angry that so many people can get their pants in a wad over something so small. That is the problem with our country right now; people are so busy wearing their feelings out on their shirt- sleeves that they are missing the really important issues. I pray that WE as a people can eventually unite and deal with the important issues that will and is effecting all of us regardless of our personal preferences or beliefs. :peace:
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I watched a few minutes of the show and didn't care for it, but I think the whole thing has been overblown. I suppose that A&E's reality means you do what they say and don't say anything the head honchos wouldn't say.
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I don't watch Duck Dynasty, but my daughter's family does. I understand that he is the founder of the Duck Dynasty business and that he is a very religious man. He should be able to voice his opinion just like anyone else does.
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While I do not watch the show and do not agree with his beliefs, they are his. I'm unsure of how the contract between a&E and the family is written, but he should be able to voice his opinions, especially when asked.
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:bad: No I think its bad - at least a bad move for the shows continued success - hey everyone is entitled to their opinion - the bible is clear on homosexuality but its also clear on love and us judging others. In other words just cause we are all entitled to an opinion doesn't mean its wise or necessary to give it.
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what he stated was in the bible but usually aren't quotes ok to repeat I saw that steve martin had tweeted something that was saw as racists but yet it wasn't I think we are all getting to picky we are putting ourselves in a position of not talking at all cause everything we say is wrong to someone what happened to having a thick skin when I was young we talked about people at our jobs then that was gossiping so we talked about our families then that was to much information and drama then we could only talk about people that were strangers but saw something funny and now what can we say that doesn't upset someone?
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It's just one more case of infringement of our right to free speech. Christians seem to be the only ones who are not allowed this privilege.
GQ knew going in what Phil would say and, in my opinion, they just sensationalized his comments for their own personal gain. I would love it if the media could be objective once again and just report facts. And I can't even find the actual article in order to know all of the things he said.
However, to disagree with another person's point of view does not mean they hate you or do not love you. It is just simply disagreement. Right? I disagree with lots of people I love. And from what I heard regarding the interview, Phil said he did not agree with the gay lifestyle (albeit a little strongly), but he also stated that he loved everyone, including gays. Did someone hear something different? ???
I'm glad the entire Duck Dynasty family is behind him just as they said they would be. :thumbsup:
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A&E is making a big mistake if they take the show off the air for good....
He is entitled to his opinion, just as we all are.
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I don't watch the show,so I don't really have any stake in what happens,but it's clear that society has been pushing homosexuality as the "new normal",which doesn't leave Christians any free speech privileges to speak against it's being un-biblical.
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I have watched a few episodes of this show and thought it was pretty good. I don't know all the details about what happened but from what I have heard it sounds like he was just stating his opinion, which everyone has a right to do. This show was a pretty popular show so I think A&E made a mistake.
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About what I expected for a thread on here. Someone incorrectly assuming that the first amendment was violated and lvstephanie contributing a nice post that will go over everyone's head because it contains more than buzz words and talking points.
Unfortunately, here, Facebook, and other blogs that I've read on this issue always seems to revert to saying it's his "right" to say what he did as though Phil is now locked up in prison for voicing his opinion. But until the Government actually makes Phil leave the show, imprison him, or somehow punishes him for his statements, this is not a 1st Amendment issue! If the 1st Amendment pertained to private interactions, then my non-disclosure agreement that I had to sign to be employed would be null and void. Otherwise it'd sound like, "What?! I can tell the company's secrets to the competitor... I'm free to say whatever I want to! It's my right!"
It's the same issue that I have with people when they get upset when some company decides to be politically correct by making their employees wish the customers a "Happy Holiday" instead of "Merry Christmas". The company itself (esp. for those big retail places) could care less what you celebrate (if you even celebrate any holiday during this time of year), but are basing their policies so as not to offend any of their customers, even if it might offend some of their employees in the process. A Christian's rights aren't being violated by being forced to say "Happy Holidays" since the employer is in no position to truly take those rights away.
BTW, I meant to do this, but posted it before I included this link.... Here is the GQ article that interviewed Phil Robertson that led to this controversy: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson?printable=true (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson?printable=true)
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There is controversy surrounding Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks. Do you think suspending Robertson from the show was a good idea? Please share your thoughts.
it was kinda good show i thought it was more educational then enything else
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He's part of the show and he's getting paid by the show, so in a sense he is like an employee and a representative of the network. I'm sure he signed some kind of legal docs stating what kind of behavior he is to have and he probably broke the terms of his contract by the remarks he stated.
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it is a free country and you have a right to an opinion and the right to express it. Not that I agree with his opinion but we as viewers also have a right not to watch that show. I myself have never watched duck dynasty and have no desire to
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From what I hear on the television it looks like Duck Dynasty will be back on T.V. soon.
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I think he needs to shut up before he screws up everything for them. His latest comments telling guys to marry a girl when she is 15 and to make sure she can cook are absurd!
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while I of course fully admitt that Phil Robertson's recent anti gay remarks were terrible and very wrong!!! I am glad that they will contiue to make shows, and those who have a prob with it just dont watch
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People are entitled to their opinion even if you don't agree with it....just don't bother yourself with people you can't get along with...we all have to right to think any way we please.....