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A guy I have known for 15 plus years shot himself a couple of days ago. It got me to thinking...drugs are bad and there are a lot of people dying from drug over doses. But there are also a lot of people who are dying from suicide.
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Yeah that is a hard thing to over come. My ex-wife her son committed suicide and I helped raise him and I took it really hard. My girlfriends daughter she just went to a funeral of a friend of her boyfriend and this girls was only 23 but died from a drug over dose, and she has been to a few funerals of her boyfriends friends and he stated he was glad he stopped doing all that crap.
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It depends upon the person. If it is something that drives you to do such a thing, there are other ways to resolve that matter. What I don't get is that they take the quick way out and end their lives over something that can be resolved if they talk to someone. I don't think of suicide as a resolution to solving a problem. In the case of Ariel Castro, the man who kidnapped those three women in Cleveland, he could not stand to suffer as he made them suffer. That is the reason why jails and prisons don't allow prisoners to have belts, and he hung himself with a sheet. He figured that he was going to suffer as long as he was in prison for his crime and could not stand it. No wonder. :bad: :bad: :bad: ??? ??? ??? :rainbow:
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There are many reasons people commit suicide - and drug use is one of the reasons along with depression and medical and financial issues.
People just don't kill themselves just to kill themselves...there's a reason behind it. Unfortunately, sometimes the surviving family members and friends never know or understand the reasons why their loved one took their lives.
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I believe that drugs are bad, BUT they aren't as bad as people make them seem. It also depends on the person and if they abuse them and why they are buying them and using them in the first place. They know what they're getting themselves into. As for suicide, people cope with things in different ways. I've heard people say that others are wimps for killing themselves instead of facing their problems, but having the guts to kill yourself is nothing close to being a wimp. It's sad and I don't know which other way to put it, but at least they're gone from their misery.
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My nephew chose to end his life at the young age of 19 and it has gravely affected the lives of every one in our family. We do not know why he chose suicide, the answer may only come when we leave this life. He is dearly missed.
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sorry to hear that i had 2 friends do that in high school i still think about til this day
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I just wish people would realize that when things get really bad; as long as there is life, there is hope! ;)
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I blame the schools and the societies in which we all live. There should be better mental health programs for all. Personal problems-we all have them. But there is always a way out. Suicide is not one of them.
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With some people the mental anguish, the despair that they're in just becomes too much and they don't know how to deal with it. Unfortunately they think things will be better without them. I think all anyone can do that has a friend or family member that's suicidal is just to let them know you're there for them, you love them, try to get them some help, and just be compassionate and understanding.
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It seems that depression is on a rise in this country. And depression can make people do crazy things also. I think we have all been plagued by all the chemicals that have been used for many years in products and our food. And this is contributing to all this disfunction going on.
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That is very sad. You know, my dad died of cancer 7 years ago and I miss him dearly. He would have loved to see his grandchildren grow up but didn't get the chance. I also worked with someone who died of breast cancer at 28 - that was the biggest shock in the world to me and I took it really hard. What is strange to me though, is that whilst some people are fighting through illness to just get a bit more time in this world, others are ending their own lives without a thought that some would give anything for a bit more time. It makes me sad.
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All good points. The guy who killed himself had cancer. He had been sick for a while. I guess he was tired of fighting. I do not fault anyone for killing themselves. I can understand how sometimes people get to that low. I do not think he was being a wimp. Things had to be really bad for him to have made that decision.
Someone said there is always a way out. But not really. I know a guy who a few years ago had been looking for a job for over a year. He could not find anything anywhere. He went out one morning and sat in his truck and pulled the trigger. I am not saying it was the right thing to do. I am saying sometimes there is not a way out. People are losing their homes and everything they have because they cannot find work.
Better mental health is not going to solve that. Unless the hospitals are going to pay their bills.
I also had a cousin commit suicide and unfortunately it was over his wife leaving him. In this situation things would have gotten better. And she didn't care one way or the other that he died. She had another man.
Idk. I think about things a lot and people need to be more considerate and watch how they treat others. In real life and even in forums and threads online. You do not know what people are going thru. I post from time to time in a couple of places online and I have been told more than once to "go kill myself" because someone didn't agree with what I said. :(
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Without Jesus, there is no hope or purpose!
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Without Jesus, there is no hope or purpose!
I have known more than one person who was a Christian and they still ended their own life. Even though a person is a Christian they can have issues with depression, money problems, sickness, and just feel that they can no longer deal with stuff.
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I believe that drugs are bad, BUT they aren't as bad as people make them seem. It also depends on the person and if they abuse them and why they are buying them and using them in the first place. They know what they're getting themselves into. As for suicide, people cope with things in different ways. I've heard people say that others are wimps for killing themselves instead of facing their problems, but having the guts to kill yourself is nothing close to being a wimp. It's sad and I don't know which other way to put it, but at least they're gone from their misery.
I'm sorry, but I must say I believe your reasonings are skewed. I have seen the effects of drug addiction in my own family, and they are, indeed, as bad or worse than people make them seem. As far as suicide is concerned, and on the subject of Ariel Castro, I believe we pay for our actions, in this life or the next. I believe Ariel Castro is paying for his crimes at this very minute.
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It must feel frightening to have someone close take their own life. I'm sorry for your loss.
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I think it is just so hard to live in this crazy world anymore for a lot of people. It is sad.
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Without Jesus, there is no hope or purpose!
I have known more than one person who was a Christian and they still ended their own life. Even though a person is a Christian they can have issues with depression, money problems, sickness, and just feel that they can no longer deal with stuff.
Very true. My family is Christian, but my dad is the one who attends church regularly. He likes to get involved with his church, bible study, things like that. 2007-2008 he over did it on his medication and was just not the same person. Slept all the time, was incoherent. Then my mom caught him holding a gun to his head. Not the first time he has had suicidal thoughts. Thankfully he copes much better now. He believed in God then and still does now. Point is, Christian or not depression and suicide affects everyone.
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I am sorry to hear that... Its never easy losing someone no matter how it happened. If people cared more about peolple less drug use and suicide would happen.
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I am sorry to hear. I had a classmate in my early high school years who I sat next to who had committed suicide within a year's time of knowing him. I don't remember seeing signs of depression or other troubles, but this definitely shocked me. I probably didn't process the same way as I do now, but this still haunts me.
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I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend! Unfortunately people also have mental issues that they decide to take their own life. Very sad! Only God can take over and heal his family & loved ones but his soul will forever be with them!
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Suicide is always so hard because we always wonder if there was some way we could have stopped it. It is definitely a mental illness and unless we see the warning signs we can stop it. People who are mentally ill take great care not to let others see that they have problems.
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Sorry to hear about your friend. Sometimes people get overwhelmed with personal issues and don't take advantage of services in their area and they take "the easy way out". It's sad because sometimes we are too busy with our day to day lives and don't see that these people are seriously hurting. I will never understand how people can do something like this.
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I can just add that no one will understand the WHY, because you are NOT that person.
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@loulizlee - I feel if anything the drug problem is not made as bad as it really is. There are so many abusing drugs. And the thing is there are a lot that nobody even knows it is happening.
@luvh8tragedy87 - That is really sad. I am glad your mom caught him and was able to stop him.
And that he is doing better now. Thing is a lot of people "think" if you are a Christian you do not have any problems. Just because you smile in front of others doesn't mean you aren't dying on the inside.
camellia0 - Most places there are no services available. In the case of the person I am talking about no services could help him. He had cancer and he was dying. I do not know why he decided to end his life the way he did but there really wasn't anything anybody could do. As for the ones who are frustrated and over whelmed with money issues and not being able to find a job - talking to a head doctor is not going to help them. A doctor giving them a pill will not help them. Getting a job will but there aren't any to get. And the few that are out there you are up against 30 or so people for ONE position. And it usually goes to the person who knows somebody. I don't really think he took the "easy way out" nor do I think anybody else is doing that. Like I done said, you don't know what battles people are going thru.
@ - I have had more than one person tell me "I wish I had your life". All I can think is "yeah I wish you did too". I have problems that nobody knows about. And the ones that do know don't seem to realize how serious they are. The point is - there are people every where hurting and everybody has things they are dealing with. Everybody also has a breaking point. I don't know.
We are living in a sad world. :(
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I believe that drugs are bad, BUT they aren't as bad as people make them seem. It also depends on the person and if they abuse them and why they are buying them and using them in the first place. They know what they're getting themselves into. As for suicide, people cope with things in different ways. I've heard people say that others are wimps for killing themselves instead of facing their problems, but having the guts to kill yourself is nothing close to being a wimp. It's sad and I don't know which other way to put it, but at least they're gone from their misery.
I'm sorry, but I must say I believe your reasonings are skewed. I have seen the effects of drug addiction in my own family, and they are, indeed, as bad or worse than people make them seem. As far as suicide is concerned, and on the subject of Ariel Castro, I believe we pay for our actions, in this life or the next. I believe Ariel Castro is paying for his crimes at this very minute.
But it's not the drugs fault.. it's the person who's using the drug. I'm sure they were never forced to try it.
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I believe that drugs are bad, BUT they aren't as bad as people make them seem. It also depends on the person and if they abuse them and why they are buying them and using them in the first place. They know what they're getting themselves into. As for suicide, people cope with things in different ways. I've heard people say that others are wimps for killing themselves instead of facing their problems, but having the guts to kill yourself is nothing close to being a wimp. It's sad and I don't know which other way to put it, but at least they're gone from their misery.
I'm sorry, but I must say I believe your reasonings are skewed. I have seen the effects of drug addiction in my own family, and they are, indeed, as bad or worse than people make them seem. As far as suicide is concerned, and on the subject of Ariel Castro, I believe we pay for our actions, in this life or the next. I believe Ariel Castro is paying for his crimes at this very minute.
But it's not the drugs fault.. it's the person who's using the drug. I'm sure they were never forced to try it.
VERY TRUE
I get so tired of people blaming things they do on drugs and acting like it is not their fault or was not their fault they were an addict. My cousin was on pills for a while. Supposedly she is not using but in my opinion she still has a problem because she has yet to admit she was a pill addict because SHE opened her mouth, put the pills in there and chewed them up, and swallowed them. Or injected them or snorted them or whatever the heck she done. Quit blaming the doctor. She went to the doctor. She asked for the pills. She kept begging for them. Even when they refused to give them to her she found a way to get them anyway. She is a pill head because she chooses to be.
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I believe that drugs are bad, BUT they aren't as bad as people make them seem. It also depends on the person and if they abuse them and why they are buying them and using them in the first place. They know what they're getting themselves into. As for suicide, people cope with things in different ways. I've heard people say that others are wimps for killing themselves instead of facing their problems, but having the guts to kill yourself is nothing close to being a wimp. It's sad and I don't know which other way to put it, but at least they're gone from their misery.
I'm sorry, but I must say I believe your reasonings are skewed. I have seen the effects of drug addiction in my own family, and they are, indeed, as bad or worse than people make them seem. As far as suicide is concerned, and on the subject of Ariel Castro, I believe we pay for our actions, in this life or the next. I believe Ariel Castro is paying for his crimes at this very minute.
I was just going to comment on this loulizlee, and I agree with you. Drugs are really bad for you when a person is addicted to them. That's why an addiction can be called a disease because one's life is not at ease, especially when they can't stop, and for some, they don't want to stop. The drug(s) has taken over their life and they're not in control anymore.
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sometimes drugs can be the last straw to break the camel's back
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The important thing is to try to get Jehovah's view. Human life is precious and sacred to Jehovah. (Genesis 9:5; Psalm 36:9) The intentional killing of oneself by suicide would be self-murder and likely displeasing in Jehovah’s eyes. (Exodus 20:13; 1 John 3:15)
However, another important factor to consider is the mental and emotional disorders that are involved in many suicides. Only God can fully understand the role that mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, have in a “suicidal crisis,” which often happens in a moment of despair. Ecclesiastes 7:7 says, "For mere oppression may make a wise one act crazy, and a gift can destroy the heart".
Will Jehovah forgive the self-murder committed by people in such a mental state? God alone searches ‘all hearts and every inclination of the thoughts.’ (1 Chronicles 28:9) We are not in a position to judge, but we can take comfort in scriptures such as Psalm 103:10-14 “Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.”
And we can be confident that Jehovah as‘the Judge of all the earth is going to do what is loving, just, and right!’(Genesis 18:25.)
I think the most important thing is to make sure to be supportive of the loved one who has just suffered the loss.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2001...
http://www.watchtower.org/library/we/art...
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Yea, a lot of people have been killing themselves lately. It's tragic.
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I'm so sorry for your loss. Will send lots of prayers for you and your friend's family.
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Suicide is not good.