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Why is it that some people don't believe in Jesus Christ and still celebrate Christmas?
I am so sad my sister used to be a believer and now she can't even say the words "God Bless you, or Amen" I think my brother in-law twisted her mind ! >:( :'(
They say God is imaginary, ohhh but they do celebrate Christmas. :present:
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should be about birth of jesus but to much about presents and making money.
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Oh, the sad truth that one day, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (not imaginary). Christmas, like every Christian holiday, has been twisted to have the "fun" but not the truth! =(
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I know an atheist or two that celebrate Christmas and wonder why? Jesus is the reason for the season.
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People get conditioned to the way of this satanic world.
Xmas isnt a bible truth.12/25 is a pagan holiday started in Babylon where much false religeon started.
I find it kinda funny.What does Santa,Rudolph have in Jesus birthday????What nonsense!!
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I meant to put this here.....
Yes, the Bible teaches that Satan the Devil is, indeed, a real person. Critics of the Bible, however, scoff at such a portrayal of the Devil. Satan, they say, merely represents the principle of evil that resides in humans.
Should we be surprised by the confusion regarding Satan’s true identity? Not at all. To illustrate: A criminal might wipe his fingerprints from a crime scene so that he may conceal his identity and thus continue his illegal activity undetected. Similarly, Satan is a criminal mastermind who is content to operate behind the scenes, promoting moral corruption. Jesus clearly identified Satan as the one responsible for the evil state of human affairs. Jesus called Satan “the ruler of this world.”—John 12:31.
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Why is it that some people don't believe in Jesus Christ and still celebrate Christmas?
I am so sad my sister used to be a believer and now she can't even say the words "God Bless you, or Amen" I think my brother in-law twisted her mind ! >:( :'(
They say God is imaginary, ohhh but they do celebrate Christmas. :present:
Not everyone celebrates Christmas as the birth of Christ but as a time for family and buying gifts to show how much you love someone. I agree with you. But it is the same as Easter and people who celebrate it with egg hunts and candy and they don't believe in Jesus. It's not about Him to them.
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People get conditioned to the way of this satanic world.
Xmas isnt a bible truth.12/25 is a pagan holiday started in Babylon where much false religeon started.
I find it kinda funny.What does Santa,Rudolph have in Jesus birthday????What nonsense!!
The Bible does not say anything about santa or rudolph. That is the man made part. Jesus is very real. Whether YOU want to believe in Him or not.
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I agree with Countrygirl12... People like to celebrate Christmas as being a time to spend with family and those that they truly love. Most people view holidays as a time for having fun, but may not keep the spirit of the holiday for which it was originally celebrated. For example, most Americans celebrate Memorial Day more as the beginning of summer having BBQs, going camping with friends and /or family, etc. But few actually celebrate it in the spirit of the holiday by visiting a grave of a fallen soldier, visiting a war memorial, etc.
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Wise men, or Magi, led by a star
Those Magi were actually astrologers from the east. (Matt. 2:1, 2, NW; NE) Although astrology is popular among many people today, the practice is strongly disapproved in the Bible. (See pages 144, 145, under the main heading “Fate.”) Would God have led to the newborn Jesus persons whose practices He condemned?
Matthew 2:1-16 shows that the star led the astrologers first to King Herod and then to Jesus and that Herod then sought to have Jesus killed. No mention is made that anyone other than the astrologers saw the “star.” After they left, Jehovah’s angel warned Joseph to flee to Egypt to safeguard the child. Was that “star” a sign from God or was it from someone who was seeking to have God’s Son destroyed?
Note that the Bible account does not say that they found the babe Jesus in a manger, as customarily depicted in Christmas art. When the astrologers arrived, Jesus and his parents were living in a house. As to Jesus’ age at that time, remember that, based on what Herod had learned from the astrologers, he decreed that all the boys in the district of Bethlehem two years of age and under were to be destroyed.—Matt. 2:1, 11, 16.
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You can put bible truth up till it comes outta your ears.......
Ignorance will still prevail with many Re Xmas
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Why is it that some people don't believe in Jesus Christ and still celebrate Christmas?
I am so sad my sister used to be a believer and now she can't even say the words "God Bless you, or Amen" I think my brother in-law twisted her mind ! >:( :'(
They say God is imaginary, ohhh but they do celebrate Christmas. :present:
It's pretty sad that some people treat Christmas as a time to get drunk and act like a jerk.Jesus is the reason for the season.
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People get conditioned to the way of this satanic world.
Xmas isnt a bible truth.12/25 is a pagan holiday started in Babylon where much false religeon started.
I find it kinda funny.What does Santa,Rudolph have in Jesus birthday????What nonsense!!
And I suppose you haven't been conditioned by the Watchtower to believe everything they say?
We've gone over this a thousand times hitch. (And frankly I know it's an exercise in futility,but hey!Gotta make my 30 posts some way! :D) The early church set up the Christmas Holiday as a Rival to pagan celebrations.Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Christ.Our Lord and Savior.Without His coming into the world, we'd have no reason for joy and could have no hope for eternal life.There is nothing Satanic about it.I don't honestly know how you can attribute satanism to a day reserved for celebrating the baby Jesus.You're really reaching into superstition there.
And I know you won't except it,but rather than go by the Watchtower's literature,here's God's Word to support what I said.
Romans 14:5-6
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Romans 14:13-14
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
So you see,if you don't want to celebrate Christmas,it's fine.And if you want to celebrate Christmas,that's fine too.It's not mandated one way or the other in Scripture.What is mandated,however,is that you NOT pass judgement of those who seek to honor the Lord by observing a special day (Like the occasion of His birth!).
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JJ every explanation The Watchtower puts up is backed up with Bible scripture.
I told you i was brought up a catholic.I didnt know any better.As a child i loved Xmas.When i discerned truth about it from bible it made lots of sense.
Jesus commanded to "Keep doing this in memory of me"Re his death on Nisan 14.He didnt ask us to celebrate his birthday.I am not saying it wasnt good and he was also humble to take on being a man,but the suffering and torment he went through being treated as a criminal takes on a HUGE command of his.
There is nothing wrong praising God for sending Jesus into this world but again if he didnt die it wouldnt mean a thing!!
You should really look into the paganism of 12/25.Also you see throughout bible how God feels about false worship etc.Satan transforms himself into an angel of light.Revelation says,"woe to the earth"after satan was thrown ot of heaven.Xmas is just 1 of many distractions satan uses to hide the glory and the truth about Gods kingdom thru Jesus.
I dont have a problem helping you get your 30 posts.
I actually ignored you a few weeks ago when you said "Happy all saints day"....Jehovah is a God of the living NOT the dead.ASD follows up the satanic ritual of halloween.
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JJ i only am doing the research for you because you wanna use Bible to defend Xmas....you are very well mis-informed....
But in considering this matter, the main point is that the Christians did not look to these things for salvation. The apostle explained that certain things, such as the eating of meat or vegetables, the observing of certain days as above others, even the eating of meat that had been offered to idols before being put up for regular sale in the marketplaces, were matters of conscience. He wrote: “One man judges one day as above another; another man judges one day as all others; let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to Jehovah. Also, he who eats, eats to Jehovah, for he gives thanks to God; and he who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah, and yet gives thanks to God.” Then he summed up his argument by stating the principle: “For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit,” and he concluded: “Happy is the man that does not put himself on judgment by what he approves. But if he has doubts, he is already condemned if he eats, because he does not eat out of faith. Indeed, everything that is not out of faith is sin.”—Ro 14:5, 6, 17, 22, 23; 1Co 10:25-30.
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Christmas is all about the celebration of Jesus Christ who came to same the world from their sins. If he had not been born, he would not have died in our place there his birth is crucial. So the question why do atheists still celebrate Christmas is a really good question. Perhaps the unbelievers are celebrating a giving and receiving presents day??
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The obvious reason why many celebrate xmas is because of revelry!!
Many could care less about why Jesus was born into this world and died.Yes there are many honest hearted ones out there that cared for what HE did....but COME ON!!!
REVELRY!!!
That in itself...how do you think that must look to God and his son???
And satan makes sure Jesus is portrayed as a baby.NOT Gods son or his chief angel and first of all creation!!
It isnt hard to discern!!
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I view the bible as fiction. It's a made up work because people can't bare to not believe in a capital S Something after death. Heaven is a necessary lie just as Santa and the Tooth Fairy are necessary lies for children. It's because the way our society is, we can't help others without something being in it for us.We can't believe that tooth we lost with all that pain isn't going to reward us somehow. We can't bare to believe that after we're gone, we're actually gone.
Regardless, I celebrate Christmas because Christmas is more of a commercial holiday than anything. The music is okay. The food is good. The decorations are pretty. And again, we're a society that needs something to believe in. We like to celebrate. We like to live instead of just surviving.That's why I celebrate. Life is short, and it's the only one we have. Why not celebrate with every reason to do so?
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Well silent the bible does comment on people like yourself.
It says let us eat drink and be merry...for tomorrow we die.
Society has many saying...you only live once.....live your life like its your last day....etc......you have lots of company.
It also says the human being is wonderfully made.And the universe is in such order and magnificent its hard to think it wasnt created.
But mankind has freedom of choice.We arent robots.Another indication of being wonderfully made.
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Christmas is a time for giving presents and being with family if you're fortunate. Others feel extreme loneliness during the Christmas season.
A lot of pressure is put upon all of us to do good things and show brotherly love at Christmastime. But it's not too fashionable or politically correct to say Merry Christmas. Stores and schools encourage us to use the terminology Seasons Greetings or Happy Holidays to detract from God and Christ and to dare not to offend others. :-X
Christmas carols are being pushed by the wayside in place of secular Christmas songs. Santa and Saint Nick can mingle in on both sides. After all, Saint Nicholas was a real person who did good. Children are enamored of the man who brings gifts and parents play along. It's fun to do all that, but we really should consider making sure we keep the real reason front and center.
God knows which of us are his and are the ones who celebrate Jesus coming to Earth to save us from our sins. Lots of people just sort of mishmash everything together and stay too busy and miss the celebration of Christ's birth. Unbelievable amounts of money is spent on toys and other expensive gifts. :moneymouth:
It would be nice if we all could pick someone less fortunate than we are and make sure their Christmas is merry and bright. Then we would have that wonderful feeling that comes when we help others and become less selfish. What a lovely world that would be. :peace:
I hereby wish all of Fusion Cash forum posters a wonderful Christmas. :angel11: Stay safe and be happy.
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For some it is simply a holiday ...a little end-of -the-year cheer
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I view the bible as fiction. It's a made up work because people can't bare to not believe in a capital S Something after death. Heaven is a necessary lie just as Santa and the Tooth Fairy are necessary lies for children. It's because the way our society is, we can't help others without something being in it for us.We can't believe that tooth we lost with all that pain isn't going to reward us somehow. We can't bare to believe that after we're gone, we're actually gone.
Regardless, I celebrate Christmas because Christmas is more of a commercial holiday than anything. The music is okay. The food is good. The decorations are pretty. And again, we're a society that needs something to believe in. We like to celebrate. We like to live instead of just surviving.That's why I celebrate. Life is short, and it's the only one we have. Why not celebrate with every reason to do so?
It must be a burden to have such a cynical outlook on life.
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I actually ignored you a few weeks ago when you said "Happy all saints day"....Jehovah is a God of the living NOT the dead.ASD follows up the satanic ritual of halloween.
All Saints Day is an occasion to honor the Saints. Martyrs who shed they're blood to bring us the Good News.Again,you're holding fast to superstition. I agree,God is a God of the living,which is why I believe the souls of the saints exist in the Kingdom.
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YA see JJ....we can agree on something......that post you just commented on really for the birds!!!
If that isnt lack of appreciation....what is????LOL!!!!
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BTW JJ....ASD if i remember was a catholic bunch of BS....i thought you werent too high on catholics?
I can skip the explanation about ASD from Watchtower...you can look it up if you want!!
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JJ i only am doing the research for you because you wanna use Bible to defend Xmas....you are very well mis-informed....
But in considering this matter, the main point is that the Christians did not look to these things for salvation. The apostle explained that certain things, such as the eating of meat or vegetables, the observing of certain days as above others, even the eating of meat that had been offered to idols before being put up for regular sale in the marketplaces, were matters of conscience. He wrote: “One man judges one day as above another; another man judges one day as all others; let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to Jehovah. Also, he who eats, eats to Jehovah, for he gives thanks to God; and he who does not eat does not eat to Jehovah, and yet gives thanks to God.” Then he summed up his argument by stating the principle: “For the kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit,” and he concluded: “Happy is the man that does not put himself on judgment by what he approves. But if he has doubts, he is already condemned if he eats, because he does not eat out of faith. Indeed, everything that is not out of faith is sin.”—Ro 14:5, 6, 17, 22, 23; 1Co 10:25-30.
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say with this.It doesn't really contradict my statement.
If your conscience is bothered by celebrating Christmas,then you need not celebrate Christmas.Others that celebrate Christmas do so to honor the Lord,and thus should not be judged by the JW's as taking part in Satanism. It's really that simple.
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Certainly for what its supposed to stand for and what it is....Xmas is really quite a silly day and if i might add quite boring.If it wasnt for the revelry many would have NO use for it.
Try to convince yourself in perspective what Jesus says right before he dismisses Judas instead of deciding for yourself what you should value in the bible.
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I think the problem the JW's have is a fear that our traditions are too much a by-product of paganism/Catholicism.
Paganism was only influential as far as the dates chosen for Holy days were chosen to set up rival celebrations to pagan feasts.
While it's true mostly about Catholicism,(for example: Christmas actually translates to "Christ's Mass") the truth is you can celebrate these Holy days without being Catholic and without being a part of the Catholic Church.The Protestant Reformation wisely chose not to toss the baby out with the bathwater and saw the importance of having such holidays remain to be celebrated.
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It is all about me, Mom and Dad. It is a big celebration...no matter where and when you were born.
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After Jesus death there was NEVER a celebration of 12/25 as his birthday....please read what Paul says 20 years after his death...
3 The step that Jesus Christ took on the night of Nisan 14, 33 C.E., was much more than a passing incident in his life. The apostle Paul discussed it when writing to anointed Christians in Corinth, where the pattern was still being followed over 20 years later. Although Paul was not with Jesus and the 11 apostles in 33 C.E., he surely learned from some of the apostles what happened on that occasion. Furthermore, Paul evidently got confirmation of aspects of that event by inspired revelation. Said Paul: “I received from the Lord that which I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was going to be handed over took a loaf and, after giving thanks, he broke it and said: ‘This means my body which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.’ He did likewise respecting the cup also, after he had the evening meal, saying: ‘This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’”—1 Corinthians 11:23-25.
The point here the significance of Jesus death always being memorialized....NOT his birth.
Again to thank God in prayer for sending Jesus to earth....it is good
His death NOT a pagan 12/25 celebration of the sun that began in Babylon
Wake up!!
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe and that is why I celebrate.
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I've found that a lot of people does thing haphazardly, at random without thought. Like not believing or just following everyone else and participating. To each his own but I believe not in the day but in the birth.
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That has always been one of my biggest pet peeves ~ those who do not believe in Jesus Christ but make a big to-do over Christmas and Easter. I celebrate Christmas as Jesus' birthday with the emphasis on Him. Easter has more meaning to me than Christmas does. If the Lord Jesus Christ hadn't offered Himself on the cross of Calvary as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, Christmas would have no meaning nor would it have ever been celebrated as a holiday.
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After Jesus death there was NEVER a celebration of 12/25 as his birthday....please read what Paul says 20 years after his death...
3 The step that Jesus Christ took on the night of Nisan 14, 33 C.E., was much more than a passing incident in his life. The apostle Paul discussed it when writing to anointed Christians in Corinth, where the pattern was still being followed over 20 years later. Although Paul was not with Jesus and the 11 apostles in 33 C.E., he surely learned from some of the apostles what happened on that occasion. Furthermore, Paul evidently got confirmation of aspects of that event by inspired revelation. Said Paul: “I received from the Lord that which I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was going to be handed over took a loaf and, after giving thanks, he broke it and said: ‘This means my body which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.’ He did likewise respecting the cup also, after he had the evening meal, saying: ‘This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’”—1 Corinthians 11:23-25.
The point here the significance of Jesus death always being memorialized....NOT his birth.
Again to thank God in prayer for sending Jesus to earth....it is good
His death NOT a pagan 12/25 celebration of the sun that began in Babylon
Wake up!!
And again,I'm saying it makes no difference how the Holiday got started.We KNOW Jesus was born.We KNOW He must have had a birthday.Knowing the actual day or if it was commanded in the Bible is irreverent.There is nothing wrong with setting aside a day to rejoice in God sending His Son into the world.
And Christmas has nothing to do with Babylon.Honestly,is this how you picture Christmas got started?
Mary Christian: "George,Betty Pagan is celebrating a feast to Saturnalia and having the whole family over this week.Her husband is putting up decorations in the front yard right now.Why can't we celebrate too?"
George Christian: "Oh,for the luvva Mike.I gotta hear this every year.We're Christians,Mary.We don't do anything fun."
Mary Christian: "But George,the kids will have fun with all the decorations.I wanna celebration!"
George Christian: "Oh awright already! You can have the feast and the decorations,but we gotta call it "Christmas",ya unnerstand?"Christmas"!So's people don't think we're Pagans."
Mary Christian: "Sure,whatever."
Trust me,you don't need to worry.Christmas' origins were more noble than that.
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“The establishment of December 25 evolved not from biblical precedent,” says The Christmas Encyclopedia, “but from pagan Roman festivals held at year’s end,” about the time of the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. Those festivals included the Saturnalia, in honor of Saturn, god of agriculture, “and the combined festivals of two sun gods, the Roman Sol and the Persian Mithra,” says the same encyclopedia. Both birthdays were celebrated on December 25, the winter solstice according to the Julian calendar.
Those pagan festivals began to be “Christianized” in the year 350, when Pope Julius I declared December 25 to be Christ’s birthday. “The Nativity gradually absorbed or supplanted all other solstice rites,” says the Encyclopedia of Religion. “Solar imagery came increasingly to be used to portray the risen Christ (who was also called Sol Invictus), and the old solar disk . . . became the halo of Christian saints.”
Significantly, the early Christians, many of whom had accompanied Jesus in his ministry, never celebrated his birth on any date. Rather, in harmony with his command, they commemorated only his death. (Luke 22:17-20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-26) Still, some may say, ‘Does the pagan connection really matter?’ The answer? It does to God. “The true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth,” said Jesus Christ.—John 4:23.
Also please remember.....i am in total harmony if u wanna bow ur head in prayer and thanking God for sending Jesus and doing what he did as a man.
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Christmas is a time for giving presents and being with family if you're fortunate. Others feel extreme loneliness during the Christmas season.
A lot of pressure is put upon all of us to do good things and show brotherly love at Christmastime. But it's not too fashionable or politically correct to say Merry Christmas. Stores and schools encourage us to use the terminology Seasons Greetings or Happy Holidays to detract from God and Christ and to dare not to offend others. :-X
Christmas carols are being pushed by the wayside in place of secular Christmas songs. Santa and Saint Nick can mingle in on both sides. After all, Saint Nicholas was a real person who did good. Children are enamored of the man who brings gifts and parents play along. It's fun to do all that, but we really should consider making sure we keep the real reason front and center.
God knows which of us are his and are the ones who celebrate Jesus coming to Earth to save us from our sins. Lots of people just sort of mishmash everything together and stay too busy and miss the celebration of Christ's birth. Unbelievable amounts of money is spent on toys and other expensive gifts. :moneymouth:
It would be nice if we all could pick someone less fortunate than we are and make sure their Christmas is merry and bright. Then we would have that wonderful feeling that comes when we help others and become less selfish. What a lovely world that would be. :peace:
I hereby wish all of Fusion Cash forum posters a wonderful Christmas. :angel11: Stay safe and be happy.
If I say anything and especially if someone says "happy holidays" I always say "MERRY CHRISTMAS". I do not care about being politically correct. I do realize that Jesus was not actually born on Dec 25th but it is when Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.
As for everyone doing something to make things better for a family that is less fortunate...
You do not know someone else's situation. I know someone who is in a horrible situation but everyone "thinks" they have plenty of money. When they say they don't have any money people think they are lying. Idk. I guess I am just saying people should not judge someone else by what they "think" they know. Because in reality you do not truly know what someone else is going thru.
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That has always been one of my biggest pet peeves ~ those who do not believe in Jesus Christ but make a big to-do over Christmas and Easter. I celebrate Christmas as Jesus' birthday with the emphasis on Him. Easter has more meaning to me than Christmas does. If the Lord Jesus Christ hadn't offered Himself on the cross of Calvary as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, Christmas would have no meaning nor would it have ever been celebrated as a holiday.
BUT...if He had not been born then he could not have died on the cross. :)
And Christmas was started as a pagan holiday. It had nothing to do with Jesus or His birth. They just kind of meshed the two together. It's the truth. Look it up.
Sadly, in today's world Christ has very little to do with Christmas. Just watch the news the weekend of Thanksgiving and see the people fighting, at times to the death, for some electronic or some outrageously cheap piece of crap they want to have for Christmas morning.
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After Jesus death there was NEVER a celebration of 12/25 as his birthday....please read what Paul says 20 years after his death...
3 The step that Jesus Christ took on the night of Nisan 14, 33 C.E., was much more than a passing incident in his life. The apostle Paul discussed it when writing to anointed Christians in Corinth, where the pattern was still being followed over 20 years later. Although Paul was not with Jesus and the 11 apostles in 33 C.E., he surely learned from some of the apostles what happened on that occasion. Furthermore, Paul evidently got confirmation of aspects of that event by inspired revelation. Said Paul: “I received from the Lord that which I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was going to be handed over took a loaf and, after giving thanks, he broke it and said: ‘This means my body which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.’ He did likewise respecting the cup also, after he had the evening meal, saying: ‘This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’”—1 Corinthians 11:23-25.
The point here the significance of Jesus death always being memorialized....NOT his birth.
Again to thank God in prayer for sending Jesus to earth....it is good
His death NOT a pagan 12/25 celebration of the sun that began in Babylon
Wake up!!
And again,I'm saying it makes no difference how the Holiday got started.We KNOW Jesus was born.We KNOW He must have had a birthday.Knowing the actual day or if it was commanded in the Bible is irreverent.There is nothing wrong with setting aside a day to rejoice in God sending His Son into the world.
And Christmas has nothing to do with Babylon.Honestly,is this how you picture Christmas got started?
Mary Christian: "George,Betty Pagan is celebrating a feast to Saturnalia and having the whole family over this week.Her husband is putting up decorations in the front yard right now.Why can't we celebrate too?"
George Christian: "Oh,for the luvva Mike.I gotta hear this every year.We're Christians,Mary.We don't do anything fun."
Mary Christian: "But George,the kids will have fun with all the decorations.I wanna celebration!"
George Christian: "Oh awright already! You can have the feast and the decorations,but we gotta call it "Christmas",ya unnerstand?"Christmas"!So's people don't think we're Pagans."
Mary Christian: "Sure,whatever."
Trust me,you don't need to worry.Christmas' origins were more noble than that.
There is nothing wrong with celebrating the 25th as the birth of Christ. You are correct. But accepting that Dec 25th is NOT the actual birth of Jesus and that celebrating this date as His birth as a way to join that with the pagan holiday that Christmas started out as answers the original question as to "why do you celebrate Christmas if you do not believe in Jesus". Because originally Christmas had nothing to do with Jesus.
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That's simply not true.Yet again referring to my humorous "Make room for daddy" episode,Christians did not celebrate a pagan feast under a different name.I don't know why that's so tough to take.It was set up by the church to supplant pagan festivities,not become a part of them,and they certainly didn't start as one of them.
It was a smart move by the church for evangelizing.They stuck Jesus birthday celebration smack in the middle of pagan feasts and said "Hey,you guys are celebrating the wrong occasion.Jesus is where it's at.Come over here and check us out."
It seems to me,I remember making this case to Falcon9 years ago.I hope he didn't rub off on you guys.:D
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Im born on Sept 2nd........i want you all to wish me a happy birthday today!!
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Im born on Sept 2nd........i want you all to wish me a happy birthday today!!
If you were born in a stable out in the middle east,with no way to tell what your birth date was,would you tell your family to pick a date for you?Or would you just go without celebrating your birthday with your loved ones for the rest of your life?
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Eccl 7:8 The end of a matter is better than its beginning, and patience is better than pride.
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Again i think if God would have wanted us to know the exact date of Jesus birth he would have.
Have you noticed each year we know when Nisan 14 falls on?The date of Jesus death cos Jesus wanted us to KNOW that!!
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Well,this is my 30th post this month!(Yea!I made it! :highfive:) I don't know what to tell ya hitch.I hope you come out from under the yoke of the Watchtower's teachings. It's admirable to have a zeal for the Lord,but make sure the God you serve is the God of the Bible and not a product of the Watchtower's creation.
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It's a holiday! Have Fun! Be Happy! Enjoy it with family and friends! :)
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Congrats on your 30 posts JJ.
JJ i would think that over 20 million attending the Lords memorial last year...the kingdom being preached in 236 lands FREEEEE.....The name Jehovah as God in KJC Psalms 83:18 might make some of u discern what Gods kingdom and who God is.
Math 24:14...what sect fulfills that scripture?
What can i say?I am far from perfect but can certainly discern what truth is?Try to take a few minutes and see what i mean sometimes.You question that JWS only say 144000 go to heaven.You arent right there.That is only the chosen that come from earth to rule with Jesus in Heaven.MILLIONS will look forward to everlasting life right here on earth as it was originally meant to be before rebellion in Eden.
Anyway...i mean well when i expose my zeal for God and HIS organization.
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Jesus is the real and only reason for the season!
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people celebrate Christmas for many reasons sometimes it is just because they like giving and receiving gifts.
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It is a holiday tradition and people like to be a part of something big.
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I don't like to celebrate Christmas. Thank You!
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Im born on Sept 2nd........i want you all to wish me a happy birthday today!!
It's not Sept 2. Post this next September. lol
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Again i think if God would have wanted us to know the exact date of Jesus birth he would have.
Have you noticed each year we know when Nisan 14 falls on?The date of Jesus death cos Jesus wanted us to KNOW that!!
Actually we do not have an exact date of death. The resurrection was 3 days later. Easter (the date we celebrate the resurrection) is on a different Sunday every year. It is somewhere between the first of March and the last of April. The DATE of the actual murder of Jesus does not change. The date we remember it does change.
It also does not really matter if "Christmas" was started as a pagan holiday. Actually when the pagan holiday was celebrated it was not called Christmas. I don't really care how it got started.
I also do not see a problem with people celebrating the birth of Jesus and I really don't think God has an issue with it either. People need to just do their own thing. Celebrate how YOU want to and leave everyone else alone. If you are offended by someone's manger scene then close your eyes, don't look at it. Easy fix. But no, people have to cry and complain and shove their beliefs on everyone else.
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CountryGirl...NOT sure u appreciated my tongue and cheek humor about Sept 2nd.
Nisan was the Jewish month.......the 14th day was the time Jesus was killed......
Pagan holidays dont sit well with God.You wanna decide for yourself what is good and bad thats fine by me.I dont put bible truths up here to debate with others that dont have a clue.
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Those who believe in Jesus and God know it is to celebrate his birthday, unfortunately business has ruined the spirit of the true reason for the holiday. :peace:
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I view the bible as fiction. It's a made up work because people can't bare to not believe in a capital S Something after death. Heaven is a necessary lie just as Santa and the Tooth Fairy are necessary lies for children. It's because the way our society is, we can't help others without something being in it for us.We can't believe that tooth we lost with all that pain isn't going to reward us somehow. We can't bare to believe that after we're gone, we're actually gone.
Regardless, I celebrate Christmas because Christmas is more of a commercial holiday than anything. The music is okay. The food is good. The decorations are pretty. And again, we're a society that needs something to believe in. We like to celebrate. We like to live instead of just surviving.That's why I celebrate. Life is short, and it's the only one we have. Why not celebrate with every reason to do so?
It must be a burden to have such a cynical outlook on life.
Think about all the free time I have on Sundays instead of going to church. That alone is a wonderful thing. Also, the anxiety over whether or not I'm good enough to not go to hell isn't a problem. I don't have the "rules" of the religions to follow, and it's a burden that I'm happy not to have. It doesn't matter what happens after life. Seeing things the way I do has only given me more of a reason to do what I want with my life instead of following the will of a religion as so many other people do. It's not cynical. It's freedom.
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Some of my atheist/agnostic friends do not celebrate Christmas because they think it is a made up pagan holiday. Some of my fundamentalist Christian friends do not celebrate Christmas because they think ii is a made up holiday appropriated from pagans. Go figure! ;)
If you have already made up your mind about "the reason for the season" then you will already disagree with what I am about to write. The reason for the season is celestial mechanics. People have likely been celebrating around the winter solstice long before recorded history. Most researchers now believe that Stonehenge is a giant celestial calendar which produces a "ho hum" from most of us who are used to calendars and clocks. But, imagine this, there are no clocks or calendars. Every year you notice that at certain times of the year the days start getting shorter. At some point you notice the days start to get longer. Now imagine the power you would seem to have if you could *predict" when that change would happen. Enter Stonehenge (and I believe a number of other prehistoric sites that now seem to have been aimed at predicting the start of seasons). You can now predict when the days will get longer and celebrate the end of the darkest nights.
So...I think anyone who wants to should celebrate "Christmas" in any fashion that they believe is culturally appropriate (no human sacrifices, please ;-)) like hanging out lights, or putting up trees and decorating them, or singing Christmas carols (hmmm...even some carols, like "Deck the Halls" seem to have been appropriated from other reasons to celebrate), or sitting on Santa's lap, or watching "Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer", or buying gifts for their family and friends...or...
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...to keep the economy going? :monkey:
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I don't celebrate Christmas. Since my kids are grown and gone, there doesn't seem to be a reason to make a big deal about it.
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It's just a retailer's dream. I'm always just glad it's gone.
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Silent you sure are Satans delight.Thats where the rebellion started in Eden.Satans claim that humans didnt need God and can have their own independence without all his rules.
Then he also said in Job that man only serves God for selfish reasons.You give him things etc...plus his own life.
Jesus,Job and many others proved Satan a liar.The world conditions show man cannot govern himself apart from God.But you have freedom of choice and maybe you are happy to live 80 years...not give a dam about others or world conditions....Thats freedom???!!!!
You would have been better off being born NOT in Gods image.Kind of a waste to have intelligence,justice,love etc wasted on you!!!
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Silent you sure are Satans delight.Thats where the rebellion started in Eden.Satans claim that humans didnt need God and can have their own independence without all his rules.
Then he also said in Job that man only serves God for selfish reasons.You give him things etc...plus his own life.
Jesus,Job and many others proved Satan a liar.The world conditions show man cannot govern himself apart from God.But you have freedom of choice and maybe you are happy to live 80 years...not give a dam about others or world conditions....Thats freedom???!!!!
You would have been better off being born NOT in Gods image.Kind of a waste to have intelligence,justice,love etc wasted on you!!!
You see, without doing things of charity for religious reasons, I am doing it with no reason other than to help people. I volunteer a lot of my time to the community I live in. I don't do it because it will get me into heaven (because I don't believe in that). I do it because I believe that people should help other people if they can without the idea that it will benefit them. I do it without any expectation of personal gain.
Is there anything wrong with spending the years I'm going to live helping people simply because I can? Personally, I think it's even better to do things purely out of kindness rather than "my religion tells me to help people so I'm going to only so I don't go to hell because that would suck". While I'm volunteering my time next week at Thanksgiving dinners held in my community, I'll keep in mind how selfish I am to be doing that without my goal being to make your god happy. I'll keep in mind that I'm not really helping anyone because I'm not doing it for your god.
Don't assume that just because I am not religious I do not help people, that just because I am free I do not care about the condition of the world. Helping is not exclusive to people of religious faith.
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Silent...it is obvious you are turned off about religeon.....and RIGHTFULLY so...
MY point here is just because many religeons claim to serve God and follow the bible.THEY DONT!!!
Christendom makes the TRUE God look bad and HE has nothing to do with that.
You are wise in a way to NOT follow many of the false rules they teach.....but let me tell you and many here something....
If God had decided to destroy the human race from the start after man sinned,where would the human race be?It is NO injustice God allowed A&E to have offspring cos HE knew some of their offspring would love and obey HIM and how he was going to fulfill his populating this earth under his rule forever.
Christendom doesnt teach that.They teach NONSENSE!!Its easy to see why many are turned off about God.Again dont blame him.It is the manmade satanic system that has been allowed to rule for a short time.
But again if you are happy to live your 80 years and do your thing without acknowledging you have a gift in being alive....your decision
Thanx for listening!
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that a good question. I say for the same reason that they do any Holiday to see what they can get.
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Why is it that some people don't believe in Jesus Christ and still celebrate Christmas?
I am so sad my sister used to be a believer and now she can't even say the words "God Bless you, or Amen" I think my brother in-law twisted her mind ! >:( :'(
They say God is imaginary, ohhh but they do celebrate Christmas. :present:
TO cele8rate the 8irth of jesus
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I don't celebrate Christmas because most people think that is when Christ was born but it wasn't. Does anyone know why the Christmas tree and the exchange of gifts come from? What where the reason of the three wise men to find Jesus? Why would God ask people to go register in there home towns if it is freezing out side he wouldn't Jesus was born in a barn or what ever so it had to be warm enough so he wasn't even born in December. It all came about through different types of religion who couldn't agree on anything and combined there two religions and came up with Christmas. Look it up you will find it.
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I don't celebrate Christmas because most people think that is when Christ was born but it wasn't. Does anyone know why the Christmas tree and the exchange of gifts come from? What where the reason of the three wise men to find Jesus? Why would God ask people to go register in there home towns if it is freezing out side he wouldn't Jesus was born in a barn or what ever so it had to be warm enough so he wasn't even born in December. It all came about through different types of religion who couldn't agree on anything and combined there two religions and came up with Christmas. Look it up you will find it.
God did not ask them to go register. That was man's doing. And I am not sure why you think it had to be warm for Jesus to have been born in a stable. You are like a lot of others (especially some that I work with) and just looking for a fight. I for one will not give it to you. I personally do not care what anybody else believes. I know what the truth is. I know what I believe. And I do not have to justify what I believe to any one else.
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Bethlehem 2014 years ago on 12/25 had El Ninno!!
Because it is a cold rainy season they had to have El Ninno otherwise shephards wouldnt be out with their flocks as bible claims they were.
And because God has made Jesus king of HIS kingdom it is much easier to look at Jesus as a babe in a manger to get that visual!
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I like Christmas try to celebrate it but can't really has no religious reasoning behind why fyi. Just personal reasons
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Silentscape, I commend you for the time and care and effort you take to help other people. And you are totally right, I think, and your motives appear totally pure to me. I think it's great, what you do.
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Well certainly if this UNGODLY world obeyed the first 2 commandments...that are to Love God and neighbor.....i think that would answer and teach us whats right.
Maybe even Hitlers mom appreciated what he did too even tho he had no regard for God.
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Because for many people Christmas has become a secular holiday.
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For me celebrating has nothing to do with religion but a celebration of family. No matter how crazy life gets we can depend on being there for each on christmas
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It wouldnt hurt the other 364 days of the year either Premar.
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Christmas is a Christian Holiday. Christians around the world celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ who is our savior and our God. That is all there is to it.
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I don't know. To me Christmas is a time for family and faith!
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i am an atheist and i still celebrate Christmas. its not just about Jesus Christ its about family and spending time with your loved ones which i personally think is more important then some stupid religion