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What do you think REALLY happened? I thought that once she was put in jail it was out of the cops hands on what happened to her. Do you think it's the cops fault for her death or the jails fault?
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She should have gotten married and changed her name so that she could have had a none bland name to fit her personality.
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What do you think REALLY happened? I thought that once she was put in jail it was out of the cops hands on what happened to her. Do you think it's the cops fault for her death or the jails fault?
OF course IT WAS THE JAILERS FAULT there is no way A FREAKING GARBAGE BAG , even A GLAD TOUGH BAG would hold up a HUMANS WEIGHT THINK ABOUT IT. it would break or your neck would just SLIDE OUT OF IT> it is OUT OF REALITY to think THAT ONE COULD ACTUALLY HANG THEMSELVES WITH A GARBAGE BAG she was murdered
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What do you think REALLY happened? I thought that once she was put in jail it was out of the cops hands on what happened to her. Do you think it's the cops fault for her death or the jails
it was the jailers faut, a human neck would just SLIDE OUT OF IT> it is OUT OF REALITY to think that one could actually hang themselves WITH a garbage bag DOwn right dumb
OF course
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I don't think she killed herself.
I don't know what happened, but the garbage bag was part of a cover-up.
And no matter where or how she died, it's on the cop that arrested her.
She shouldn't have been in jail in the first place.
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What do you think REALLY happened? I thought that once she was put in jail it was out of the cops hands on what happened to her. Do you think it's the cops fault for her death or the jails fault?
I certainly don't think it was the Officer's fault. If she decided to take her own life, it's her own fault. However, if the jail was AWARE that she may have had suicidal thoughts, it is their responsibility to put the inmate on suicide watch.
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It was a suicide. Autopsy was consistent with suicide, no signs of it being homicide.
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Although i do not understand what fully happened.. I have alot of questions about his case..
First off i do not think in any way shape of forum she should have went to jail in the first place...
Secondly the officer had way to many inconsistancies in his story and what was on the video. proved that he was lieing...
Why did he mock her? He was basically trying to get a reaction out of her.. and when he didn't get it he got mad...
What did she incially do wrong? She got pulled over for a lane change... She did nothing illegal.. She was answering his questions and asking questiosn.. NOTHING ILLEGAL... She acted just like anyone else would... She at one point was recording him with her phone.. Where is that evidence???? Why would there be a trash can in her cell in the first place? How would she go about hanging herself? There was mention that her arm was hurting so bad that she requested medical care.. because of her arm.. How would she hang herself with a sore arm? Why is the video of her traffic stop tampered with? You can clearly see vehicals appearing and dissapearing in the video... that was so called no tampered with...
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It was the officer fault for aressting her in the first place, and I agree with Paints and minioncookies, it's a cover up in this whole thing. But the truth will come out. I ask this question have anyone ever seen a trashcan in a jail cell? Come on now....
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What did she incially do wrong? She got pulled over for a lane change... She did nothing illegal.. She was answering his questions and asking questiosn.. NOTHING ILLEGAL... She acted just like anyone else would...
She was pulled over for failing to signal when changing lanes. Tickets can run up to $150 for a 1st offense. Did she act like anyone would? No, not really. Most would have just put out the cigarette when asked. Most would have been polite, and just hoped to get off with a warning instead having to pay $150 fine.
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I ask this question have anyone ever seen a trashcan in a jail cell? Come on now....
Yes. Trash cans are often in jail cells.
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What did she incially do wrong? She got pulled over for a lane change... She did nothing illegal.. She was answering his questions and asking questiosn.. NOTHING ILLEGAL... She acted just like anyone else would...
She was pulled over for failing to signal when changing lanes. Tickets can run up to $150 for a 1st offense. Did she act like anyone would? No, not really. Most would have just put out the cigarette when asked. Most would have been polite, and just hoped to get off with a warning instead having to pay $150 fine.
She was profiled, either because of her out of state tags, or because she was black.
The cop made a u-turn and chased her down BEFORE she changed lanes without using her turn signal.
She changed lanes because she had a cop coming up fast, and like any rational driver who hadn't done anything wrong, she changed lanes to get out of his way.
There was no reason to put her cigarette out, in her own car. She wasn't under arrest.
And just because a cop asks you to do something, that doesn't mean you have to do it.
He had nothing to charge her with, and no reason to charge her with anything.
The proof of that is that the only thing she was charged with was assault on a public servant.
A minor traffic violation shouldn't be a death sentence.
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She was profiled, either because of her out of state tags, or because she was black.
The cop made a u-turn and chased her down BEFORE she changed lanes without using her turn signal.
She changed lanes because she had a cop coming up fast, and like any rational driver who hadn't done anything wrong, she changed lanes to get out of his way.
The video shows the officer doing a U-Turn after Bland rolled through a stop sign! She could/should have been pulled over for that. She was not profiled.
Even if you haven't seen the video, let's also not overlook that this happened by Prairie View A&M, a HBCU. Black drivers are the norm, and out of state of plates are not uncommon around a college campus. There's no reason to believe she was profiled.
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In this situation we will never know exactly what really happened to Sandra Bland. It doesn't matter how many people blamed for this, her love ones will never see her smile or talk again.
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I'm late on the news. I have no idea who she is. xD
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if someone want s to kill themselves they seem to always find a way to do it so it really isn't the jails or cops fault.
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:( :( I do have a lot of thoughts on this but no definitive conclusions as of yet. All the facts released have done is raise more questions for me. What I can say pretty confidently is this. The police did NOT handle this correctly either way.
From my understanding that woman is d**n near 6 feet tall? Can they do some type of testing to see if its plausible for a woman of average stature let alone someone her size to hang herself with garbage bags? Jailhouse garbage bags at that. I know there's no way they're shelling out tax dollars for heavy duty garbage bags for inmates c'mon. I can barely put 50 pounds in a garbage bag and carry to my curb without it ripping. Sounds fishy!
Second thing. Reports say one page of her initial paperwork say she was suicidal. Another page says she was not. Inconsistency in these cases raises huge red flags to me. With that said, let's say she was suicidal and the first page was accurate, why on earth wouldn't they have her on suicide watch?At the very least the parents should be given a settlement for neglect.
She is also believed to have epilepsy and when she informed the officer of this, he responded with "good, good" Disgusting in itself but if that's the case and she wasn't given the proper attention in jail, could this combined with how roughly she was being handled (unjustly based on what I saw) been too much for her condition to withstand. Was the suicide just a coverup to hide the brutality and neglect? Again no conclusions just lots of questions over here.
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I think it was a suicide and that is the end of the story.
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I believe it was suicide, although I do also agree that at most the police should have been more vigilant because of this and perhaps should be charged with neglect. Not only her own statement when she was being charged, but also the statement of others close to her (family and friends) have mentioned that she suffered from depression and had been suicidal in the past.
For the amateur scientists here that question how she could be hanged by a garbage bag ("Jailhouse garbage bags at that." -honeyflower93), if you feel that she would have ripped through the bag if she attempted to hang herself, you should see no trouble for a person to rip a phonebook in half. After all, even a child can rip a piece of paper in half, right? Except that what this logic fails to realize is that the formation of the bag provides different properties, just like a single piece of paper has different properties than a book of paper. As these amateur scientists have pointed out, it is pretty easy to rip a single layer of a plastic garbage bag. However if the bag was bunched together like twisting it into a rope (which one would think you'd need to do in order to attempt hanging by it), the bag becomes much more difficult to tear. An easy experiment to test this would be to take a garbage bag, twist it into a rope, and then see how easy it is to rip the bag in half; I'm guessing that it is just as difficult as trying to rip a phonebook in half too. So I don't question whether this could happen in a physical sense, but I do question why items that potentially lead to a suicide would be within her jail cell esp. when considering that she was known to be suicidal.
As for whether her initial arrest was correct, I actually have mixed views. On face value of the reports, it sounds like she may have made an illegal lane-change (nothing serious, at least nothing worth worth jail-time). The officer, during the pull-over, the cop was initially just going to give her a warning but first asks her to put out a cigarette that she is smoking in her own car. When she refuses (nothing illegal there), he tells her that it is now a lawful order for her to step out of the car and things escalate from there, finally ending with the cop charging her with resisting arrest. Again on the face of this, it seems like the cop escalated it pretty quickly esp. for such a petty offense like an illegal lane-change. However when the toxicology report was released showing elevated levels of THC (the psychoactive molecule in marijuana), then I started to understand some of the questionable facts in the arrest. For example, people that smoke marijuana may smoke cigarettes in order to disguise / mask the odor of marijuana; for this reason I can understand why the cop may have requested her to extinguish her cigarette. Also a couple of times (before the escalation) the cop asks her if she is all right, perhaps because she just looked angry but could have also been another indicator (lack of eye contact, red eyes, inattention, and lethargy are also hallmarks of marijuana use). Taking these together, it could be argued that the cop suspected pot smoking and was trying to establish more evidence of it. However during the video of the arrest the cop never once mentioned anything about marijuana; it would seem that if he suspected that at the time of arrest, he'd have told the officers searching her car to specifically look for some evidence of marijuana usage. Hence why I have more questions than answers about the arrest. (for those questioning the legit of the arresting video, you should watch the full 48-miute video (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-sandra-bland-arrest-video-20150728-story.html) and not just an edited version that they released for news outlets, for I saw nothing that would even suggest that it isn't legit).
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I didn't hear of it...but if you hang yourself with a wrapped up, twisted garbage bag, sure that could hold you!
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i feel like the truth may honestly never come, but i'm hopeful it does
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I am glad that the police officer has been charged.
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I am glad that the police officer has been charged.
Not true. You're thinking of a completely different case. No officer has been charged.
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I am glad that the police officer has been charged.
Not true. You're thinking of a completely different case. No officer has been charged.
I didn't think he was charged
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I ask this question have anyone ever seen a trashcan in a jail cell? Come on now....
Yes. Trash cans are often in jail cells.
No there not someone comes around and collect the trash. They do not leave any type of items in cells like your shoe strings, belt, neck ties etc because of suicidal thoughts of some. Everything in cells are mostly metal.
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What did she incially do wrong? She got pulled over for a lane change... She did nothing illegal.. She was answering his questions and asking questiosn.. NOTHING ILLEGAL... She acted just like anyone else would...
She was pulled over for failing to signal when changing lanes. Tickets can run up to $150 for a 1st offense. Did she act like anyone would? No, not really. Most would have just put out the cigarette when asked. Most would have been polite, and just hoped to get off with a warning instead having to pay $150 fine.
He was looking to incite her anyway. The male cop should not have had any interaction with her because only women cops deal with women when it comes down to it. That cop was and is a bad deal.
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I ask this question have anyone ever seen a trashcan in a jail cell? Come on now....
Yes. Trash cans are often in jail cells.
No there not someone comes around and collect the trash. They do not leave any type of items in cells like your shoe strings, belt, neck ties etc because of suicidal thoughts of some. Everything in cells are mostly metal.
It's not the same for every jail, but trash cans in the cells are not uncommon. She's not the first to hang herself with a trash bag in jail. More common to use bed sheets.
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She was profiled, either because of her out of state tags, or because she was black.
The cop made a u-turn and chased her down BEFORE she changed lanes without using her turn signal.
She changed lanes because she had a cop coming up fast, and like any rational driver who hadn't done anything wrong, she changed lanes to get out of his way.
The video shows the officer doing a U-Turn after Bland rolled through a stop sign! She could/should have been pulled over for that. She was not profiled.
Even if you haven't seen the video, let's also not overlook that this happened by Prairie View A&M, a HBCU. Black drivers are the norm, and out of state of plates are not uncommon around a college campus. There's no reason to believe she was profiled.
I did see the video.
But the warning he was giving her had nothing to do with rolling through a stop sign.
Failure to signal a lane change was the warning. And the only time she changed lanes was to get out of the way of a cop coming up fast behind her.
He could have given her the warning and walked away, and that would have been the end of it.
Profiled or not, this woman is dead because a cop decided she wasn't submissive enough.
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I've had my head in the sand I guess because I've not heard of Sandra Bland either.
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I can't say for sure but if marijuana was the issue, surely it would have been tested for prior to her death. Was she? And if so was it a large amount consistent with her smoking in the car or a negligible amount? If the latter, it's safe to say he's nothing but a thug in uniform like most of them. Her refusing to put out her cigarette upset some power complex he had so he decided to arrest her to reestablish dominance. He just used that horrific Texas resisting arrest law to make it happen.
Note: I know the concentration was high after the fact but its possible for THC concentration in the blood to be higher than before she died. Not being an "amateur scientist" here lol but relaying what toxicology experts have said on that.
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I think it was just a shame. Even if the officer had nothing to do with her death, the video makes him look really bad.
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I think it wasn't suicide but an inside murder probably by the accused cop!
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I can't say for sure but if marijuana was the issue, surely it would have been tested for prior to her death. Was she? And if so was it a large amount consistent with her smoking in the car or a negligible amount? If the latter, it's safe to say he's nothing but a thug in uniform like most of them. Her refusing to put out her cigarette upset some power complex he had so he decided to arrest her to reestablish dominance. He just used that horrific Texas resisting arrest law to make it happen.
Note: I know the concentration was high after the fact but its possible for THC concentration in the blood to be higher than before she died. Not being an "amateur scientist" here lol but relaying what toxicology experts have said on that.
Good point. She was never tested prior to her death (again, if the cop was suspicious of that, why not test her as soon as she was brought in), so like you've said it's difficult to ascertain what levels she had in her blood while she was driving. Some toxicologists have said the elevated levels were still high enough to assume that she had smoked / ingested some marijuana prior to being arrested (like within minutes to hours after her arrest) but again nothing substantial could be gained from the toxicology reports aside from the fact that she did have high levels in her blood after her death.
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I wonder if they ever found anything in the search of the car ??????
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I do not know why anyone would even begin to point the fault at anyone but Sandra Bland. Bland had a history of depression and legal run-ins with several thousand dollars in legal bills hanging over her head. Marijuana is legal in Colorado-not in Texas and certainly not when you are driving. Her autopsy showed that she had three times the amount of THC in her system that would be allowable in Colorado for operating a motor vehicle. The police officer asked her to put her cigarette out (cigarettes are often used to mask marijuana) and she refused and became belligerent. Bland had expressed depression in the past. Her entire family snubbed her attempts to raise bail but seemed to care once she passed away. The media is doing nothing but race baiting when they avoid facts like her THC levels but point out that the police officer had gotten reprimanded for unbecoming behavior a year earlier. I would find it hard to believe that every cop doesn't have some skeleton in his closet. And everyone turns this into a racist issue but fails to mention that the police officer was Hispanic.
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Perhaps the circumstances would not have changed, however she should have listened to the police officer who pulled her over. If she said, she probably would not have spent time in jail (and leading to her controversial death).
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That was a sad situation she did not have to loose her life over what the officer said was wrong with light on her car
she did every thing right she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time the officer was having a bad and Sandra got caught in the line of fire because the officer was not being nice at all
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I don't think she killed herself.
I don't know what happened, but the garbage bag was part of a cover-up.
And no matter where or how she died, it's on the cop that arrested her.
She shouldn't have been in jail in the first place.
I agree I think it had something to do with the jailers, not killing herself