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Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ktheodos on August 28, 2016, 06:07:16 am
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Thoughts on that?
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Very disrespectful. :bad: :bad: :bad:
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Maybe there is a reason that others do not understand as to why some Americans don't. I don't think it is to disrespect anyone. Clearly if they had a BIG problem with the national anthem being said they would walk out of whatever function this was going on at.
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Maybe there is a reason that others do not understand as to why some Americans don't. I don't think it is to disrespect anyone. Clearly if they had a BIG problem with the national anthem being said they would walk out of whatever function this was going on at.
A true follower of Jesus will pay Caesars things to Caesar and pay things back to God.When Gods laws were compromised the apostles said we must serve God before man.But also remember they didnt burn the flag.They remained neutral and still respected God has allowed man to have laws so total chaos wouldnt happen until Gods kingdom rules.
There is a difference between walking to a restroom during the national anthem during a ballgame and blowing up a federal building!
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Like Kaep and a 49er fan,but didn't like that he didn't stand. Now everyone will be waiting to see if he does it again.
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I think it's a little disrespectful. Unless you physically can't stand up for it. However there will always be people who either don't feel like it and they have a problem with it.
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He did not stand because he does not agree with the way the country treats people of color. There is a lot of craziness that is going on in this country right now that does not make sense and does not represent a strong united nation.
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i think not standing up for the national anthem is disrespectful
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I'm with him.
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If he doesn't want to stand for that, fine, protest fine, embarrass his team fine, but if it makes you that angry to be in this country when you have been lucky enough to be successful in it, THEN GET THE **** OUT! What an ungrateful loser who doesn't appreciate what he has. By the way where was this protest last year, and the year before, this stuff has been going on forever and now HE wants to protest. I wouldn't use his jersey for toilet paper. Grow up millionaire, second string has been QB. In a few years when his money runs out we will see how his attitude is then won't we. 8)
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I feel the same. He's disrespecting people past & present who put their lives on the line to protect this country. You don't have to love our country's leaders to respect what our nation stands for.
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fjaz1, I agree 100% with you. This country has made you a millionaire. Now you disrespect the same country by not respecting its flag. Go move to another country and do the same....see what happens to you then. Disgusting.
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Maybe there is a reason that others do not understand as to why some Americans don't. I don't think it is to disrespect anyone. Clearly if they had a BIG problem with the national anthem being said they would walk out of whatever function this was going on at.
A true follower of Jesus will pay Caesars things to Caesar and pay things back to God.When Gods laws were compromised the apostles said we must serve God before man.But also remember they didnt burn the flag.They remained neutral and still respected God has allowed man to have laws so total chaos wouldnt happen until Gods kingdom rules.
There is a difference between walking to a restroom during the national anthem during a ballgame and blowing up a federal building!
Your response is invalid. The flag was created to inspire national unity & create a separate identity from Britain & this my friend is why it was created. The modern meaning of the flag forged in 1860 symbolizes American nationalism. And today has become a huge symbol of Americanism. Fun fact since most people don't even realize what the flag is about or different meanings of each American flag that was made- The US flag (since made during the war) has been modified officially 26 times since 1777.
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He should be fined or fired
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He should be fined or fired
Have you read his interview? He said he is fully aware that they may fire him & he is okay with this. The interview he did was actually really sad & explains why he took a stand (it had everything to do with what is going on with injustice in the world today). The best thing to me about America is our freedom. And regardless of what anyone "stands for" America will always be great to me as we have rights & our own voice to speak on if we feel a certain way & for everyone to stand for something.
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He has the right to do it, but I have the right to not watch him or his team any more.
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He has the right to do it, but I have the right to not watch him or his team any more.
EXACTLY!
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The niners should have traded him, but now that he got paid millions, he starts this protest to get out of a losing team.
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The idea of someone protesting the "oppressed" while making $11.9 million is hilarious, just like Hollyweird people stand up for the "oppressed" while they makes millions. Why don't they give their millions to the "oppressed" if they're that concerned? Most of them really have no idea what is really going on in this country. It's also funny how he feels the blacks are the "oppressed," yet is biracial. Does his white side fight with this black side all the time? How do his adoptive parents feel about that statement? It's rumored that the real reason he decided to protest now is because his career is threatened and he might be cut because he's doing poorly so by doing this, they can't let him go or it will cause a larger black eye to the sport.
The idea that he thinks police get "paid leave for murder" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Evidently, he doesn't understand what happens after a police shooting....and how does he explain a black cop shooting a white person? He can't. That point is totally ignored.
Lastly, to disrespect this country while "making it" is, in itself, hypocrisy. He is disrespecting those who fought to make this country free and allow freedom of speech, which he has freely demonstrated through his stupidity.
I suggest the NFL fine him $11.9 million and then let him see what it's really like to live like the rest of us.
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I will stand and just have to answer for my actions
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It is my understanding that there is no rule in the NFL bout standing for it.
However, no country on earth is perfect. We have a lot of things to fix in the USA, but it is still the best of all countries on earth.
Also, men and women have bled, been wounded, died for our freedoms, even his to not stand. If he cannot respect that, he should not be playing or living here. He has those rights because of other Americans.
Yeah, very disrespectful. He should use his energy to make things better, not pout.
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It doesn't change anything, it doesn't even draw attention to it. It's just disrespectful.
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that is one thing when someone does not stand for the national anthem . plus it is disrespectful and you should stand for your country . its the right thing to do .
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Maybe there is a reason that others do not understand as to why some Americans don't. I don't think it is to disrespect anyone. Clearly if they had a BIG problem with the national anthem being said they would walk out of whatever function this was going on at.
A true follower of Jesus will pay Caesars things to Caesar and pay things back to God.When Gods laws were compromised the apostles said we must serve God before man.But also remember they didnt burn the flag.They remained neutral and still respected God has allowed man to have laws so total chaos wouldnt happen until Gods kingdom rules.
There is a difference between walking to a restroom during the national anthem during a ballgame and blowing up a federal building!
Your response is invalid. The flag was created to inspire national unity & create a separate identity from Britain & this my friend is why it was created. The modern meaning of the flag forged in 1860 symbolizes American nationalism. And today has become a huge symbol of Americanism. Fun fact since most people don't even realize what the flag is about or different meanings of each American flag that was made- The US flag (since made during the war) has been modified officially 26 times since 1777.
You would have no unity if you werent alive!!
Rev 4:11 You are worthy, Jehovah* our God, to receive the glory+ and the honor+ and the power,+ because you created all things,+ and because of your will they came into existence and were created.”
Let me remind all of you again what Jesus said,My kingdom is no part of this world...and let me remind you what Jesus told Satan after the devil offered him all the kingdoms of this world......He told him to go take a hike,Jehovah is only to be worshipped.......and lemme remind you all again the apostle John says the whole world lies in power of wicked one.......
If you all wanna praise the USA for Kaep being a millionaire,then dont forget to remember there are also many starving and poor because of politicians and religeous leaders too in this country!!
And violence and predjudice!!!LOL!!!I dont need to go furthur.
Some here say they support bible.You cant be at table of demons and say you still serve God.This system is in for a rude awakening.
3 Hebrews refused to bow down to King Nebuchadezzars idols and God remembered their loyalty and love!!Jehovah commands NO idols!!!The flag is an idoll and represents Satan as ruler!
You can still be kind and love your neighbor and God.....pay your taxes and be a law-abiding person.Dead objects are NOT worthy of veneration!!And this dead object represents Gods enemy Satan!!
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I just heard about this. I know it is somewhat disrespectful but you cant police everyone.
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He's lost his mind. His conversion to Islam has more to do with it than anything.
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I think he is being disrespectful.
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I don't like to but I do it anyway out of respect. My dad's in the military.
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It is disrespectful but what about those who go to a game that can't stand? Can't really hold them the same regard or someone who can bearly stand. Some things are just to petty to just go on about and if he stands or not its really his decision. You can't make someone do what they don't want to because if you do then there the victim because your forcing your will on them which isnt right
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To be honest there is no law that states you have to stand up for it. Doubt there ever will be. Is it disrespectful? maybe to some but not everyone. If one person doesn't do it I'm not going to whine about it . It's not worth it. Can't force a person to do it and if you did try that make everyone a hypocrite because you don't force your will onto others that's the greatest disrespect of all
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His reasons for not standing up are totally not right due to the fact that you stand to give thanks to those Americans that sacrificed their lives for your freedoms! The reason why he can dare to not stand is the fact that someone went out there & risk their life to protect us & that freedom! If this ungrateful *bleep* did that in another part of the world he'd be executed on the spot, no questions asked! In other countries you can be jailed for just looking at someone important funny! It just makes my blood boil this moron doesn't even know the reason for what standing up for the American anthem means! The fact that he's African American just makes his race look uneducated & stupid! If you don't want to stand up & honor the American anthem then you don't have right to use those freedoms here! Please leave this country now!
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It is disrespectful but what about those who go to a game that can't stand? Can't really hold them the same regard or someone who can bearly stand. Some things are just to petty to just go on about and if he stands or not its really his decision. You can't make someone do what they don't want to because if you do then there the victim because your forcing your will on them which isnt right
Using people who can't stand as an example is flawed logic. Someone who is confined to a wheelchair may, and most likely would, WANT to stand for the anthem but are physically incapable. This piece of work didn't/doesn't stand out of (at best) misguided disrespect.
As for someone being a "victim"... please... ::)
Personally, I feel he's getting exactly what he wanted by doing this... (far too much) publicity, press, airtime, hatred... attention. I'm sure he's sitting at home smiling at his accomplishment.
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I think he should have, but with so many different peoples in the US, with different beliefs, we honestly can't expect someone to change.
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Jackie Robinson, military veteran and sportsman:
“I cannot stand and sing the anthem, I cannot salute the flag. I know I am a black man in a white world in 1972 and 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made.”
Colin Kaepernick:
“I have great respect for the men and women that have fought for this country. I have family, I have friends that have gone and fought for this country."
This country isn’t holding up their end of the bargain… men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly, and have been murdered by the country they fought for, on our land. That’s not right.”
“There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
He's right. You only have to look around to see it.
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I agree with amyDAST, a lot of people do not said the pledge of allegiance to the Flag for some reason or another, religion or otherwise, so not standing for the national anthem is why this country is the land of the free and he did not get rich standing for the national anthem, he goes out there on the football field and can get seriously hurt to earn his money.
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It is a lazy, worthless protest for someone like Kaepernick not to stand for the anthem. It takes no effort to not stand. He isn't sacrificing anything except possibly his career, although some have speculated that this may actually help solidify his spot on the 49er's since were the team to let him go, there'd probably be considerable push-back, basing his release from the team as stemming from this display (whether or not this is true). No, the US is not perfect, but it is by far the best country for anyone (even minorities) to get ahead in life; in fact a majority of the countries in the world make certain minorities illegal (and, for example, may outright kill you for being a minority like a member of the LGBT community). And given his name recognition and wealth, there are other things that he could have done to truly help the plight of minorities in this country.
When Jackie Robinson chose not to stand, he was already a civil right's icon. His mere presence in the major league of baseball was a stand against the oppression that he felt. He lived during a time when racial strife was so much worse than today. Part of the racism that the black community were fighting during that time was the systemic racism of the Jim Crow laws. Not only were these terrible for their racism, but what made them worse was that it was actual legislation that minorities were fighting. Businesses were forced by law to segregate, whether or not the owner of that business felt that that segregation was wrong. People needed to resort to civil disobedience in order to get their voices heard. And if / when they were jailed because they dared to go against an unjust law, they gladly accepted it as being like a martyr dying for their cause.
I don't deny his right to refuse to stand for the national anthem. I don't think that he should have to leave the country or have to pay a fine (even one imposed by the NFL / 49er's). I just think that he could have done so much more if he truly wanted to do something for the minority community. For example, heed the call from police chiefs throughout the country that say that the best way to reduce individual racism among the police is to actively recruit more minorities into the force; although he may not have given up playing football to become a policeman (unlike another football player that did give up his NFL career in order to do what he claimed was his moral duty -- and in the end, Pat Tillman died for that decision to enroll in the Army after 9/11 attacks), he could have certainly started a trust to provide scholarships to minorities wanting to work in law enforcement.
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Until we hold police accountable for the people they kill for no reason, other than the color of their skin, all the flag-waving patriotism means nothing.
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Deaths per 100,000 Arrests
Whites- 4.76
Blacks- 4.92
This is what the argument is about? A 0.00016% difference? It isn't about race.
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If he wants to see actual change, he should put his millions into programs that foster change. Just sitting around is about effective as wearing a cancer wristband to raise awareness; we are aware, now what. Next month it will be on to the next thing, and nothing will have changed.
IMHO, he could send underprivileged kids to college, like Snoop Dogg is doing.... to fight the system you have to get in to the system and change it. He could also fund lobbyist to promote political change right now, this is how corporations get the politicians rule in their favor. Money talks.
In Fullerton California, cops killed a mentally ill homeless man, Caucasian, by beating him to death, broke every bone in his face... for no just cause. He was calling for his father as he was being beaten, his father was a police officer. The cops were acquitted. I don't think it is just a racial issue, it is an out of control issue by police & the power they possess. Police seem to forget that they are public servants, meant to serve the public, not Gestapo. More and more police departments are requiring body cams, so hopefully with more transparency and more cameras, there will be more accountability.
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I have no opinion of what what's going through this persons mind.
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I can understand why some people may see it as a sign of disrespect; I am one of the few, however, who do not believe so. Burning the American flag, however, is more extreme and disrespectful.
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If this is how he feels....but it is wrong!!!!
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I am not on board with Kaepernick's decision. I look at many of the instances of perceived inequalities and find that there was justification in the action taken. If an individual is heading in the direction of a police officer and has a lethal weapon, is asked to stop/put down the weapon, does not comply, there is justification for the police officer to protect themselves. Because of the heightened media attention to issues involving people with differences in skin color this all gets blown out of proportion. I think that Kaepernick's decision is disrespectful to a country that has given him opportunities not to be found anywhere else...the same opportunities that we, as Americans, are all afforded. His stance would cost him his life in a large percentage of countries (Russia, North Korea, China to name a few). No where else in this world could a now-average football player make more in one year than any ten of us could make in a lifetime aggregate. I believe that athletes, actors and musicians should stick with their art and not use their prowess to change public opinion without full understanding their stance.
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I believe everyone has the right to feel the way they feel. There is no law requiring everyone to stand during the playing of the anthem. Not that big of a deal to me. I have read where there are many vets who are supporting his right not to stand, that is what they fought for.
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Anyone who has prospered in AMERICA should stand for the national anthem with no question cause if they don't love America they should just leave!
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I believe everyone has the right to feel the way they feel. There is no law requiring everyone to stand during the playing of the anthem. Not that big of a deal to me. I have read where there are many vets who are supporting his right not to stand, that is what they fought for.
No one is saying that he doesn't have the right to sit.
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Acting like a 2 year old!! If you are unhappy with something then get off your butt and help make a change.
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Pathetic behavior. I love and appreciate my opportunity to be a citizen of the US. If someone who enjoys the benefits of living in this beautiful country cannot be grateful for the opportunity to live here....
they should move somewhere else.
There are too many military people who have given their lives so we can enjoy our sense of freedom so I feel disgusted when I hear about things like this.
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Yeah that's disrespectful to a ton of people.
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i think it is horrible!!!!!!!!!!! :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:
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I don't think he's actually disrespecting men and women who have fallen in service to the country by not standing because in his public statements he says nothing about those people. He's just disrespecting racism in this country which is an honorable thing to disrespect. I think it takes a lot of guts on his part and kind of admire him for it.
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Disrespectful and to be honest I think anyone who disrespects the flag national anthem etc should be booted out of the country. I would love to see how much they get away with in other countries. :bad:
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I think everybody needs to shut up about it and stop giving him attention. It is exactly what he wants. No one should have ever said anything or acknowledged it in any way. He thinks it is funny and loves the attention he is getting.
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Simple - if you are an AMERICAN you should not disrespect the country that gave you so many opportunities to make it and you should be grateful for all you have received.
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That is poooooo, but he don't have to stand, his right, (USA, we) still love him. If you don't love it leave it. If you don't like the police department, than go do the policeman buddy system thing, get involved, positive not do the spoil child thing, use the effect and affect the situation. Study them they will let you, tell him to get personally involved in the neighborhood people, only then he will know the truth. In my utopia towns, you don't even need a police department.
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We are taught to stand and respect, but we can't make other do what we believe to be the right way and the respectful way.
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Honestly, people are making such a big deal out of nothing. Who really cares?
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It's not being disrespectful, it's about how you feel about the national anthem. A lot of people cross their hearts when it's played, but do something different when not being noticed.
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Stand for the flag or go find a place you can stand for...jeez....