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What are your thoughts about Jill Stein getting about 6 million to have recounts in 3 states? Do you think it's a waste of time and money, or do you think it might change the outcome of the election?
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What a joke and a scam, I wonder how many fools are dumb enough to donate to a losing cause in more ways than one 8)
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Stein couldn't even carry one state. She's got no business calling for a recount.
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I honestly believe she is wasting her time (and money). As much as I wanted Hilary Clinton elected President, performing recounts is not going to change the unfortunate fact that that moron Donald Trump is the President-elect of this country. :-(
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Scam. She's missing deadlines and stated that there will be no refunds. She's criticized both Hillary and Trump, but sings the praises of Fidel Castro. She needs to go away.
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I wish Clinton would have called for a recount.
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I respect the fact that she "stepped up" and asked for a recount. The Donald was always saying that the election was rigged and if he lost....
We KNOW, he would be whining and wanted the votes counted again.
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I think it's a joke. Time to accept the vote.
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I think it's a waste of time for many.
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I think she made an easy $5 million from a bunch of suckers.
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Honestly, just move on. Just accept the fact that Hillary lost.
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What's the point? If it could change the outcome of election then I would be all for it; but it will not. I say , re-group and focus on the mid term local elections for 2018, I am not a Trump supporter but unfortunately he is the next President Elect and I don't see how a recount and all that money is going to change that; she should donate some of that money to worthy causes.
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What are your thoughts about Jill Stein getting about 6 million to have recounts in 3 states? Do you think it's a waste of time and money, or do you think it might change the outcome of the election?
She is an idiot. No, it will not change the outcome of the election. They have already said if they do a recount it will not change anything. The democrats are just a bunch of sore losers.
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Doesn't hurt in trying but...it's a lost cause.
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I was a Hillary supporter but I think the Stein recount is a waste of time and money. The money would be better spent advocating for a change in the Constitution to grant the winner of the popular vote the Presidency instead of the winner of the electoral vote.
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I think it is a waste of time. I'm not happy with how the election went but it is what it is and we just have to live with it.
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I just think of all that money that was raised.... what a waste.... that money could have gone somewhere better... how many people are starving in this world and how many people here in America have difficulties? And money just gets wasted... for nothing... makes me angry
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She's just trying to cause trouble. Personally I think Clinton is putting her up to it. Don't know why people do this crap every single election. If you lose, you lose...
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Jill Stein is not doing it to "change the results of the election". Ms. Stein along with others in the Green party stated long before the election that they would call for a recount in any states where they could be problems. The intent is to reassure the American people that they can have confidence in their vote. It is to find out if there are problems with electronic voting and to correct those problems moving forward. Every American wants to have the confidence that their vote does count. Everyone should realize there can be problems with electronics and this is the way to discover if there are problems and find ways to correct them moving forward. I don't think anyone should have a problem with voter verification and election integrity. Per FEC rules any money raised for a recount has to be deposited into a dedicated recount account and can only be sued for the purpose of a recount. No one is personally profiting from this money except the American people who will be able to be assured that voting in an election is valid.
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Jill Stein is not doing it to "change the results of the election". Ms. Stein along with others in the Green party stated long before the election that they would call for a recount in any states where they could be problems. The intent is to reassure the American people that they can have confidence in their vote. It is to find out if there are problems with electronic voting and to correct those problems moving forward. Every American wants to have the confidence that their vote does count. Everyone should realize there can be problems with electronics and this is the way to discover if there are problems and find ways to correct them moving forward. I don't think anyone should have a problem with voter verification and election integrity. Per FEC rules any money raised for a recount has to be deposited into a dedicated recount account and can only be sued for the purpose of a recount. No one is personally profiting from this money except the American people who will be able to be assured that voting in an election is valid.
But they have already said there were no problems. They are doing it in the states where they "thought" they had it wrapped up. Several states that typically have been democratic states went Republican and instead of accepting that people voted that way they have to act like a spoiled brat and say well the machines malfunctioned. No, they didn't. You lost. Move on. And the polls are not really a good way to tell because people can say anything in the surveys. And you are not surveying but a small select group so you do not know until you get the final results. Which we have.
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I think it is to gain her notice and popularity. May also be a front for Hillary to try again, since she is on board now after admitting defeat.
The electoral college delegates are also being badgered, bribed, and threatened to change their vote to Hillary.
There is a reason Trump won by a landslide. I think it was a vote against this kind of shananigins.
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I think it is to gain her notice and popularity. May also be a front for Hillary to try again, since she is on board now after admitting defeat.
The electoral college delegates are also being badgered, bribed, and threatened to change their vote to Hillary.
There is a reason Trump won by a landslide. I think it was a vote against this kind of shananigins.
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Exactly. And if they go in and change their votes I am not sure what would happen. Although I really do not think that will happen. If you are a delegate you promise to vote the way your state voted. So I don't think they could get away with changing it any way.
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A lot of people are still in shock and truthfully a lot of people are just in shock of who the last 2 standing candidates were. If Hillary won the outcome would be the same. Many people would want a recount as well. Time to just stop fighting a losing battle and give in to democracy. What's done is done and we have to face the music and move on and pray that DT represents this country in a way that the American people can be proud of! :)
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Jill Stein is not doing it to "change the results of the election". Ms. Stein along with others in the Green party stated long before the election that they would call for a recount in any states where they could be problems. The intent is to reassure the American people that they can have confidence in their vote. It is to find out if there are problems with electronic voting and to correct those problems moving forward. Every American wants to have the confidence that their vote does count. Everyone should realize there can be problems with electronics and this is the way to discover if there are problems and find ways to correct them moving forward. I don't think anyone should have a problem with voter verification and election integrity. Per FEC rules any money raised for a recount has to be deposited into a dedicated recount account and can only be sued for the purpose of a recount. No one is personally profiting from this money except the American people who will be able to be assured that voting in an election is valid.
But they have already said there were no problems. They are doing it in the states where they "thought" they had it wrapped up. Several states that typically have been democratic states went Republican and instead of accepting that people voted that way they have to act like a spoiled brat and say well the machines malfunctioned. No, they didn't. You lost. Move on. And the polls are not really a good way to tell because people can say anything in the surveys. And you are not surveying but a small select group so you do not know until you get the final results. Which we have.
Who is this "they" that you refer to as saying there were no problems? Just curious. I think you may have misunderstood my point. If people want to contribute to someone who is verifying then what is the issue? If one doesn't want to contribute then don't. It's not hurting anyone.
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I think it's a waste of time and money and not going to change anything.
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I am not sure what the good is to the recount. Historically have they ever found a recount that was way off? If so, shouldn't they be counting it right the first time?
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I think she is wasting her time. Maybe she thinks someday she could be the first woman president. Maybe she likes getting all the attention she is getting.
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I think it is a ploy to gain attention for the Green Party platform (even though the Green party does not supportst Jill Stain's recount). Although I do respect her party for not accepting special interest donors, nothing will change in the recount. Kudos for her to try and fight the injustice of the political system, but the recount cost taxpayers money. And we all know most Americans. They do not like wasting taxpayers money on something that is already set. Donald Trump is our president for 4 years (or less if he is impeached).
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She can count all she wants but, unfortunately, I don't think it will make a difference.
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She just suckered a bunch of idiots out of $5 million. Trump has already won 2 recounts. Maybe Hillary paid Jill Stein to do it so it didn't look like she tried it... Now it's the Russians. The Russians definitely influenced the election.... by exposing the fraud Hillary Clinton. She had the news on her side, but she also had dirty criminal laundry and a fake charity. If she lost because the Russians exposed the truth about her, then good.
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Funny how they raised something like $7 million for the recount... way more than the total amount she raised for both of her Presidential campaigns & both her Governor Campaigns combined.... AND, how fast. There is always more than meets the eye.
If people are put to work recounting, well then the money was well spent. Putting the money back into the economy...
It's embarrassing for America, I think, that we look so divided & pathetic to the rest of the world... like we elected ISIS or the *bleep* Party. It's just the other major political party of the United States... Republicans. Donald Trump's entire family was Democrat up until this Presidential Election.
I just saw the results of the recount.... Trump got MORE votes than were counted. The other two states in for recounts have been withdrawn.
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Maybe she cant sleep at night!!
Instead of counting sheep........
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I was very surprised to hear about the recount. But this was a very unusual election. So anything is possible at this point.
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It brings up some good conversation, that's for sure.
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She only wanted to make sure votes are valid and accurate so that voting systems are not hacked.
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just a ploy to raise money
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I think it was a waste of time and money
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It is a waste of time and money. This would not have been happening if Hillary hadwon. thank God she didn't. A lot of people woke up to the fact our government was not holding up their end and it was all for them. We are not sheep and we don't need the government thinking for us. As for raising money for a recount i am sure the lady will be putting a lot of that in her pocket. again peope fell for another scam put on by a democrat
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I thought I was finally over listening about this election when the recount was issued. Can this all be done already and let our country move on?
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What are your thoughts about Jill Stein getting about 6 million to have recounts in 3 states? Do you think it's a waste of time and money, or do you think it might change the outcome of the election?
She is an idiot. No, it will not change the outcome of the election. They have already said if they do a recount it will not change anything. The democrats are just a bunch of sore losers.
Jill Stein is not a democrat, so why are they sore losers? I am so tired of all the name calling that has surrounded this election. With over 17 US government agencies finding interference by the Russian government I feel like we do need to look into this election to see what happened and how to prevent another government from doing anything like that again.
The Electoral College issue should be looked at, it is not right that if you live in a state with a high population your vote only counts as 1/3 to a 1/2 vote. This is the 2nd time in the last few years where the popular vote did not matter. It is a shame and will cause people not to bother to vote, because it doesn't matter anyway. Every vote SHOULD COUNT EQUALLY!!
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If she wants a recount, let her have it. It's not going to change anything most likely but if people want to support it then whatever. :angel11:
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What are your thoughts about Jill Stein getting about 6 million to have recounts in 3 states? Do you think it's a waste of time and money, or do you think it might change the outcome of the election?
She is an idiot. No, it will not change the outcome of the election. They have already said if they do a recount it will not change anything. The democrats are just a bunch of sore losers.
Jill Stein is not a democrat, so why are they sore losers? I am so tired of all the name calling that has surrounded this election. With over 17 US government agencies finding interference by the Russian government I feel like we do need to look into this election to see what happened and how to prevent another government from doing anything like that again.
The Electoral College issue should be looked at, it is not right that if you live in a state with a high population your vote only counts as 1/3 to a 1/2 vote. This is the 2nd time in the last few years where the popular vote did not matter. It is a shame and will cause people not to bother to vote, because it doesn't matter anyway. Every vote SHOULD COUNT EQUALLY!!
Every vote does count... in your state. The United States is a collection of individual states, each individual state matters in representation. You get the same representation to vote for President as your state has representatives in Congress.
The Presidential election isn't about getting a popular vote in the entire nation, ALL presidential campaigns were geared for getting the electoral college votes. If the candidates were only after the popular vote they would have campaigned primarily in California & New York, and ignore all the states in the "fly over" states. I know people in California who don't bother to vote because California voters always vote Democrat... if any other party had a chance, the other party would get more voters coming to the polls. In California we had two Democrat candidates running for Senate, not one Republican. Same goes for New York, you run as a Democrat or you don't win. The Electoral System gives the smaller states representation, our founding fathers were geniuses... that is why America is so awesome. :)
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The Electoral College issue should be looked at, it is not right that if you live in a state with a high population your vote only counts as 1/3 to a 1/2 vote. This is the 2nd time in the last few years where the popular vote did not matter. It is a shame and will cause people not to bother to vote, because it doesn't matter anyway. Every vote SHOULD COUNT EQUALLY!!
Electoral college voters are determined by population the same way representatives for congress are determined. Higher population states have more electoral votes and more representatives. States determine if it is "winner take all" because we are a collection of states that form the United States.
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I won't respond to the Electoral College issue as the two posters before me have covered that well. My only comment on that issue is that the Electoral College works EXACTLY as it was intended and it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to make all votes outside of New York and California count.
Regarding the original question; the re-counts are an absolute waste of money. Although it is the Green Party candidate soliciting the donations and the face behind the re-count, you can bet that a huge portion of the solicited funds came from Hillary supporters. Their money would be better served conducting a study as to why so many Hillary supporters stayed home and did not bother to vote.
The most likely reason is that they felt they didn't need to because of all the [liberal slanted media] polls saying Trump had no chance and Hillary had it in the bag. Yet the day after the election, so many of the peaceful demonstrators [rioters and looters] were out crying because the person they wanted to win (but didn't bother to make the effort to vote for) didn't win.
It wasn't Russian hackers or Wiki-leaks that cost Hillary the election, it was the over-confident media in her own back pocket predicting landslide victory they kept so many liberal voters at home on Election Day. If her supporters want to avoid an 8 year Trump Presidency, they should focus their money on voter turnout rather than 2016 recounts.
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She just suckered a bunch of commies out of $5 million and I find that hilarious.
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Waste of time and tax payer money.
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I agree waste of time and money
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I think both Clinton and Obama should accept defeat and call Stein to end this action immediately. The vote has been counted and America has voted. Time to accept defeat and support Donald Trump.
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Losers never give up, do they? :(
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I think both Clinton and Obama should accept defeat and call Stein to end this action immediately. The vote has been counted and America has voted. Time to accept defeat and support Donald Trump.
Exactly.
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[quote Jill Stein is not a democrat, so why are they sore losers? I am so tired of all the name calling that has surrounded this election. With over 17 US government agencies finding interference by the Russian government I feel like we do need to look into this election to see what happened and how to prevent another government from doing anything like that again.
The Electoral College issue should be looked at, it is not right that if you live in a state with a high population your vote only counts as 1/3 to a 1/2 vote. This is the 2nd time in the last few years where the popular vote did not matter. It is a shame and will cause people not to bother to vote, because it doesn't matter anyway. Every vote SHOULD COUNT EQUALLY!!
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I beg to differ. The Electors are VOTED on by the parties themselves. They are chosen during the conventions of each party. Electors are supposed to cast their vote for the candidate that won the state. IOW, Cali's electors went for Hillary because the people of that state voted for her, and the voters of MI went for Trump so those electors cast their vote for him. This is part of the Constitution in Article II, Section 1.
Hamilton felt the system of an electoral college ensured that “the sense of the people” will play a key role in selecting the president, while, at the same time, affording “as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder” and to give ALL territories a voice in choosing their president. Government weakness is based on the will of the people and the reason for the electoral college is to stop mob rule. He felt that electing the president directly would lead to instability and mob rule.
Electors are to vote AS the people of their state voted. To become a "faithless".elector is to go against the voters of that particular district or state that he or she represents. There are 29 states that have a LAW that the electors MUST vote for the will of the people or they can be removed and replaced plus pay a fine. I believe ALL states should have this law. Those faithless electors that wound up going against the will of the people on the 19th didn't vote for Clinton or Trump, even in Washington state that went for Clinton.
The electoral system is fair. Otherwise, we might as well just allow the west coast and part of the east coast elect our president....or maybe just allow the RNC and DNC vote for the president because there would NEVER be another fair election if the electoral college is repealed.
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Actually I think it was Maine, the elector voted for TRUMP instead of clinton. So he was faithless to her and voted for Trump. The others voted for a nobody and thus just threw their vote away. I got so sick of hearing how the electors are put in there to vote their conscience. NO, they were put in there to vote the way the state voted. Actually there should not be a second vote. It should be if your state wins for this person then that person gets the x number of votes and skip all this secondary drama.