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Seems to be a lot more prevalent lately.
My take on it.I passed my army physical back in 70/71 with flying colors.Pres Nixon at the time implemented a birthday lottery and if you day got picked early your chances getting drafted were good.My BD fell right in the middle around 160ish and i never got bothered.I was fortunate.Vietnam was going strong.
Dickie Smothers summed it up on their TV show right before he introduced a song written by the Association called "Requiem for the Masses".He said it was a moving tribute for those that have died.....without knowing why.It can be viewed on Youtube for those interested.The year was around 1967.
Jesus said to Pay Gods things to God and pay Caesar back his things.You can love God and your neighbor,pay your taxes and be a law abiding citizen.He also said those that use the sword will die by it.You can remain neutral with all the garbage that this satanic manmade system creates and stand honorable before Jehovah and his son.
I dont know all the individuals reasons for not worshipping the flag,but i do know what Rev 4:11 reads
Revelation 4:11 reads: “You are worthy, Jehovah our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will ...they existed
Thanx
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This is just a phase that they are going through....It will pass...
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Doesn't bother me one bit.
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I find it disgusting. By not respecting the flag, they are not only disrespecting the flag and our country but are also disrespecting the men who fought for our country and are still fighting for our country.
Those athletes should be glad for the freedom to make the millions of $$ they make in sports. It's also a shame that they do this because these athletes are considered role models for young kids. What does that tell these kids? That our country isn't worthy of respect and they should only respect those jerks?
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In other countries, you'd be executed on the spot as an example for treason!
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In other countries, you'd be executed on the spot as an example for treason!
Go take a look whats going on in Russia right now RE the preaching work of Jehovahs organization.Houses burned,arrests,meetings banned etc.All for doing Gods will.But remember they killed Jesus and the followers were also persecuted.Also remember what God will do for a people for HIS name.Read the book of Exodus and see how God buried the Egyptians for mistreating His people.When HIS people get hurt its like touching Gods eyeball.
Zech 2:8 He that is touching you is touching my eyeball
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Who cares, freedom is just that freedom! If you have issues with this then you are against our freedom
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Go tell 58200 soldiers that died in Vietnam how FREE they were for losing their lives in a war of NONSENSE!
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Go tell 58200 soldiers that died in Vietnam how FREE they were for losing their lives in a war of NONSENSE!
It's nonsense yes, but of course your reply to my comment is nonsense as well. If it bothers you that bad do not watch sports or sports news!
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Go tell the loved ones that lost their sons how free they were....or they went to heaven.
Pay attn to posts.I said i really dont know why some athletes dont worship flag.I know why i wouldnt and i have no problem watching sports or if they stand or not.
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Go tell the loved ones that lost their sons how free they were....or they went to heaven.
Pay attn to posts.I said i really dont know why some athletes dont worship flag.I know why i wouldnt and i have no problem watching sports or if they stand or not.
So basically your whole debate is on the soldiers who have died? I am confused by your wording on all of this. No, soldiers who fought in the wars our government found greedy enough to pursue (oil & drugs but that is my personal opinion) Hell no they were not free and the draft was sickening & sad to say the least, people had no choice to die or kill for the government! The government makes us believe we are the free nation, but sadly that is not the case.
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Go tell the loved ones that lost their sons how free they were....or they went to heaven.
Pay attn to posts.I said i really dont know why some athletes dont worship flag.I know why i wouldnt and i have no problem watching sports or if they stand or not.
So basically your whole debate is on the soldiers who have died? I am confused by your wording on all of this. No, soldiers who fought in the wars our government found greedy enough to pursue (oil & drugs but that is my personal opinion) Hell no they were not free and the draft was sickening & sad to say the least, people had no choice to die or kill for the government! The government makes us believe we are the free nation, but sadly that is not the case.
Its a combination of a lot of things.The US isnt the only country that has rich athletes.I say that because many get on their case and think the US is the only place to earn that kind of living.That isnt true.Go look at the owner of the NJ Nets.Dont get me wrong many of these athletes arent worth it either.I am tired hearing we have freedom or god bless america.This country is a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.Not that the rest of this world is angelic either..
If i am right,Kaepernick decided not to stand before the flag because of the way blacks are treated and the police brutality goin on here.Many have made a big deal of that because they are full of nationalism.I dont wanna repeat myself but you can check past posts of mine and see that i feel the US isnt the reason why i exist.But i also said you can follow the example Jesus gave paying taxes,being kind etc.
The word freedom is exaggerated in this country thats why i used the wars to show how dumb it is.The whole truth to why this world is in shape its in cos man wanted his independence from Creator and the Creator has let it go on to show without HIS governing man will fail.History backs that up.But many are USA rah rahs and even go far to say god bless america which is a joke in itself when the bible tells us God isnt partial.
Again i dont know the stand behind other athletes that have followed Kaepernicks actions.I just seem to know his.Just because one doesnt worship the flag doesnt make it wrong.You can still follow Jesus words.And to the many that claim to support bible but dont have a clue there are examples when mans law compromises Gods the apostle Peter said we must obey God as ruler rather then man.
Thanx.....hope i was clear on this and i am glad you saw what a waste of lives those wars were and will continue to be as long as man governs with Satan.
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Very shameful
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It actually does not bother me in the slightest if they refuse to stand for the flag. It is, after all their right: freedom of expression (to a certain extent). Now, burning the flag is an entirely different issue for me. But I will stick with the intent of this thread.
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Everyone should stand for the Star Spangled Banner. It is a matter of respect for our country.
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I don't like the idea of not standing for the anthem.
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I completely understand the message they are trying to get across and I agree with it. I just feel that they could use another method of getting it across other than disrespecting our National Flag :(
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If you don't want to respect our flag and what it stands for, get out of our country. It's simple as that.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+3&version=NKJV
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You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them,*+ because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion,*+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon
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How does one think their prayers would be answered or claim they love and care for God when one cant say HIS HOLY name?
We enjoy being called by our personal name,would the TRUE God be any different when man is made in HIS image?
It says plenty of them when they know what it is...but still dont use it.Even Paharoah said to Moses,who is Jehovah i should let his people go?
He found out the hard way as many in this satanic world wil too.
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I watch football for the game and entertainment not politics. These athletes were hired to play football and entertain viewers. I have never seen anything in any of the sports rules that indicates that professional sports are to be a venue for politics. What they do off the field or after the game, sans domestic violence/crime, is up to them. Why don't they emulate someone like JJ Watts that has been a pillar of society in helping charities (even contributing his own money). Watt doesn't take a knee for his charities or draw attention to himself. Would it be that difficult for the over privileged million dollar babies to proactively get their point across? The first athlete to do this started after two years of lackluster sport statistics for which many believe is the foundation for his sudden concern for the downtrodden.
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I watch football for the game and entertainment not politics. These athletes were hired to play football and entertain viewers. I have never seen anything in any of the sports rules that indicates that professional sports are to be a venue for politics. What they do off the field or after the game, sans domestic violence/crime, is up to them. Why don't they emulate someone like JJ Watts that has been a pillar of society in helping charities (even contributing his own money). Watt doesn't take a knee for his charities or draw attention to himself. Would it be that difficult for the over privileged million dollar babies to proactively get their point across? The first athlete to do this started after two years of lackluster sport statistics for which many believe is the foundation for his sudden concern for the downtrodden.
I agree with your answer. I don't like the disrespect, but we do have to respect people's right to protest. :peace:
However, I don't think it's appropriate on a sports venue where people are tuning in to be entertained by the sport and the players.
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Do any of you honestly think if Jesus was a man on earth today he would stand for the flag.LOL!
Silly question to those that knew what he said to Pilate.MY kingdom is NO part of this world!!But he also wouldnt disrespect it,pay his taxes,be kind to others,be law abiding and obey HIS father who is only one who deserves to be worshipped because we exist because of Jehovah!
Yet most of you support Jesus.....i think?Again NO WAY would he stand or bow down to an image.But he wouldnt dis-respect it in a neutral way.I also remind you when Jesus was offered all the kingdoms of world by Satan who asked for him to worship him what he told him and why and who is GOD and should only get that glory!!
EX....i have been to Yankee games and right before they play the anthem i go quietly to the mens room NOT to draw attn to myself for being neutral.Maybe Kaepernack should have stayed in locker room...butg then again maybe he wanted to be seen......Not sure that was smart!!But i dont fault him either and i didnt root for him as a player either.
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*Sigh* We've gone over this 1,000 times hitch (but since I need to make 30 posts, I'll educate you again). Standing for the flag is NOT worshiping a "graven image". No one is praying to they flag, worshiping the flag or anything else of that nature. It is a symbol of RESPECT to the people who laid down their lives for our freedom, both in the days of our founding fathers right up to the folks in the armed forces today. They gave their all so these balloon heads can exercise their freedom to act ignorant.
And as I think I told you before, good luck refusing to stand up before the judge if you're ever called to court. I'm sure your explanation of refusing to rise as a show of respect would not go over too well with Hizzona.
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JJ...your memory is slipping.I answered you RE standing before a judge.A judge is supposed to represent God.Standing is fine.Its only if a judges ruling would compromise Gods.Then as Peter said,we must obey God as ruler.I also remind you there are books in the bible called Judges.Maybe you should have a look.
I also ask you to remember what the 3 Hebrews did in Nebuchanezzers time when they refused to worship his idols.
The flag represents Satans government...NOT Gods kingdom.I also said you are NOT dis-respecting it by NOT standing.You dont have to make a spectacle of it.
You never answered me RE if Jesus would stand b4 it!!Why dont you?
And lemme tell you something else.If you think i am going to praise the flag for the lives lost in all of these JOKE of a wars....dont insult me.I feel for the familys and loved ones that lost their lives in these ridiculous wars.What a true waste in the whole world.But the bible message the whole world lies in power of wicked one means nothing to you.You think ur gonna die and go to heaven.LOL!!
For God to have any part of what mankind and Satan have created on earth here....who would even wanna serve a God such as that.You are reminded what Jesus really said and what his father said too cos Jesus represented HIM.
Educate me????You cant serve 2 masters..remember that.You really make me laugh.You put bible scripture up here and dont have a clue.
And also BTW......i dont try to earn $$$ from FC anymore...i dont like some of their rules as in part of the earnings must be not from bonuses and u have to earn a nickle to get the 15 cents daily stuff.Plus as u know theres no rollover.But i do enjoy the forum.Point being my posts have nothing to do with myself getting 30 of them.I am sure you can tell month to month on that.You dont have to waste your time with answering me to get 30 posts.I am not trying to convince you of your foolishness!
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This might help u understand JJ.
I have no problem bowing my head in prayer and asking God to remember those acting in ignorance for the so-called Bozos of this country in the resurrection.They acted blind as the apostle Paul did too when he thought he was doing right killing others in Gods name until Jesus humbled and blinded him.
Ali refused the draft.He said he had nothing against the N Vietnamese.Jesus went 1 step furthur,he rebuked Peter for protecting him and said they dont know what they r doing when they killed him.
I have nothing against protecting my family if we get mugged on the street....but the bozos have blinded the minds of this world with nationalism etc.Many have died without knowing why.
And youuuuu.....on a command Jesus gave to keep doing this in rememberance of him after he dismissed Judas on a night he knew he would suffer and die......Passover is known every year precisely for that reason...and u worry what the bozos have drilled into your skull rather then obey HIS command!
Why dont u go take a look and see what is happening in Russia with Gods people.And bow your head and ask God to help them with what they r going thru all because they are followers of Jesus and doing Gods will.Rather then worry about appeasing the bozos of this godless world!
You and CountryGirl woulda made good baseball managers.You both like to "Hit N Run"!
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I love watching football regardless of the protest. I think it is their American right to protest whether I liked it or not!
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I actually don't see why people are so mad about this. I don't see it as a sign of disrespect. To me, disrespect would be talking with someone, playing on their phone, or just messing around while the anthem is playing. Whether they stand, sit, or kneel, I think it's showing respect as long as they pay attention as the anthem is played.
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I think it's disgraceful.
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I think its disgusting that they choose to protest in this way
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So proud of my home team Chicago Bears for standing in unity. We have the worse crime rate and problems with our police force but they showed the world that what it is to be a proud American in honoring our flag and country.
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Dosnowski i am also a Bears fan.
I repeat..i am alive and breathe because of Jehovah.I also dont support sending soldiers to the slaughter-house.
I pay my taxes,obey laws and try to be kind to others.I would not dis-respect NOT honoring the flag <burning it etc>and draw attn to myself.But God is the only one deserving to be worshipped.Jesus wouldnt bow to Satan and there are other examples in the bible.
Jesus wouldnt stand for it today either as he said his kingdom was no part of this world.Yet many claim to support Jesus or say they are xtian.They are blinded by Satan and eventually says to them to go away...you dont support me you are from your father the devil.
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As a veteran I don't like it, but if they want to protest let them. I just won't watch their games.
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No More NFL in This House.
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To be honest, it doesn't really bother me. Freedom of expression. 'Nough said.
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The most important U.S. Supreme Court legal victory won by the Witnesses was in the case West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette (1943), in which the court ruled that school children could not be forced to pledge allegiance to or salute the U.S. flag. The Barnette decision overturned an earlier case, Minersville School District vs. Gobitis (1940), in which the court had held that Witnesses could be forced against their will to pay homage to the flag.
Even the US government respected Gods people NOT to salute flag if it compromised their beliefs.
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The most important U.S. Supreme Court legal victory won by the Witnesses was in the case West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette (1943), in which the court ruled that school children could not be forced to pledge allegiance to or salute the U.S. flag. The Barnette decision overturned an earlier case, Minersville School District vs. Gobitis (1940), in which the court had held that Witnesses could be forced against their will to pay homage to the flag.
Even the US government respected Gods people NOT to salute flag if it compromised their beliefs.
But no one was paying those school kids millions of dollars.
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Try reading the book of Job Buddy and see he kept his integrity while he himself was a very wealthy Oriental turned into poverty and suffering a painful situation.
Or maybe youd like another example of how the 3 Hebrews refused to bow down to King Nebuchanezers idols in Book Of Daniel and risk their lives NOT bowing down to idols and risking theirs lives because they knew who only deserved that honor.
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I agree with sfreeman 8. this is disrespect for our country and those like my grandpa and my father who fought for our freedom. as far as Kapernicjk hes a trouble maker needs deported back to cuba
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It looks like there are many different interpetations of saluting the flag.I said earlier i wasnt sure how all the individuals feel.It looks like Kaepernack did so with the mistreatment of blacks and police issues.
I know how God feels about it and also a reminder over a half million soldiers died in Vietnam over what?Without the governement accountable?The devil has blinded many with this nationalism BS!!!
Those poor soldiers should be tributed dying....without knowing why......and saluting the flag isnt the way to do it!
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I think you should have the right to respect eh flag ay you like.
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The future will be dim for the NFL, if they continue this way, lets start watching soccer instead...
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I understand Kap's reasoning for taking a knee and can respect that as well as other people doing so. I remember in elementary school, before class started having to stand, put out right hand over our hearts and say the pledge of allegiance to the flag everyday. The last few words of the allegiance is " ...and justice for all". I believe he feels that not ALL get justice. :peace:
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I'm a veteran, it offends me. We should send the kneeling football players to north Korea.