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Unveiling a new policy after months of controversy and debate over players taking a knee or otherwise making statements during the national anthem, the NFL says all of its athletes and staff "shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem" if they're on the field.
"Personnel who choose not to stand for the Anthem may stay in the locker room or in a similar location off the field until after the Anthem has been performed," the league said in its new policy.
Many Americans Side With President Trump On NFL Anthem Protests
HERE & NOW COMPASS
Many Americans Side With President Trump On NFL Anthem Protests
The possibility that the NFL might issue a blanket restriction on protests during the anthem has been discussed for months, and the buzz gained new momentum this week. But the NFL Players Association says, "The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new 'policy.' "
The league's decision goes against what the NFL had told players "about the principles, values and patriotism of our league," the union said, adding that it will review the policy with an eye toward mounting challenges if elements of it contradict the current contract.
As news of the strict policy spread, Vice President Mike Pence tweeted, "#Winning" along with an American flag and a screenshot of a story about the NFL's anthem policy.
Athletes' behavior during the anthem and flag presentation became a national conversation and a political talking point after NFL players used the traditional opening of their games as a moment to protest police brutality and racism in America. That effort was led by former San Francisco 49er Colin Kaepernick, who took a knee during the anthem — and who went from being a starting quarterback to being an unsigned free agent in the spring of 2017.
Despite Kaepernick's absence from the game last season, NFL teams struggled to craft coherent responses to players' desires to highlight social issues — and they also faced intense public scrutiny, including from President Trump, who condemned players who refused to stand and urged fans to boycott the NFL until teams quashed the protests.
Saying that the new policy was meant to put the focus back on the game, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said on Thursday, "It was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic. This is not and was never the case."
NFL team owners voted to adopt the policy — and while the league says the changes "were unanimously approved by team owners who voted," it also notes that 49ers team owner Jed York abstained, at least in part because York wanted the players to be involved.
Dallas Cowboys Owner Jerry Jones: Players Cannot Disrespect Flag
THE TWO-WAY
Dallas Cowboys Owner Jerry Jones: Players Cannot Disrespect Flag
The on-field protests have taken many forms, from players taking a knee to sitting on the bench as others stood on the sideline. In many cases, teams' players were split on the issue; in others, entire teams took a knee — as in September of 2017, when Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones linked arms with his players and took a knee. But one month later, Jones threatened players, saying if they "disrespect the flag," they would be benched.
The NFL's 32 teams can develop their own rules about the process, as long as they follow the new policy.
"A club will be fined by the League if its personnel are on the field and do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem," the NFL said.
In addition, the commissioner "will impose appropriate discipline on league personnel who do not stand and show respect," the league said.
Responses to the protests during the 2017 season ranged from dueling boycotts (from fans who don't like players protesting, and from others who don't like how teams treated Kaepernick); threats to strip the New Orleans Saints team of its tax breaks; and the decision by the founder of the Papa John's pizza chain, a longtime NFL advertiser, to step down as CEO after saying the NFL had hurt his business by not resolving what he called a "debacle."
In recent months, Kaepernick has been pursuing a collusion case against the NFL, accusing teams of banding together to keep him from being employed in the league. This week, a report emerged that his attorneys' investigation found documents that backed up his claim that, as he neared 30 years old last year, he was good enough not only to play in the NFL, but to start.
Eric Reid, who was the first player to kneel alongside Kaepernick as his teammate in San Francisco, says he's also being punished for that practice, which he continued last season. At 26, he has gone unsigned despite starting at safety for five years; earlier this month, Reid filed a grievance against the NFL and its teams.
"We chose to kneel because it's a respectful gesture," Reid wrote in an editorial for The New York Times last fall. "I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy. It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel."
The NFL Players Association says that its members "have shown their patriotism through their social activism, their community service, in support of our military and law enforcement and yes, through their protests to raise awareness about the issues they care about."
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it is about time they are doing something. I thought it was ridiculous in the first place. and then little kids starting doing it. If I was the coach, I would have benched him :peace:
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I totally agree. But now the thing is will the ones who still are disrespectful be punished? I think if they refuse to stand they need to be banned from that game. If too many are banned then they forfeit the game and the other team gets the win.
If the same player is stupid for a second game then kick him off the team!
METSROCK
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METSROCK - I never knew of little kids doing it. Guess they didn't get attention. I don't think they did it where I live any way.
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Considering that the military had to PAY the NFL for these "patriotic" displays in the first place, I don't think this is so much about patriotism as it is about money.
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
All my life this country has been injured from Nam-the 70's recession,disco,breakdancing,middleEast wars,9/11....
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METSROCK - I never knew of little kids doing it. Guess they didn't get attention. I don't think they did it where I live any way.
Sorry I was not on earlier. yes a kid on a peewee football league did it too. That drew some attention .
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
Kapernick started the whole thing. He was disrespecting the flag, the police (wearing pigs socks), and this country. The sports agenda is no place for politics. People went to these games to enjoy themselves not have disrespect stare them in the face.
i think they will be fined if they do it on the field now and I think it's about time. Would your employer allow you to do something like that on their time? This is what some people don't understand. The NFL is an employer. It's quite a difference.
Guess the NFL was losing too much money. The naysayers are stating their First Amendment rights are being stepped on. That's a bunch of bull. They can still protest as long as it's on their OWN time. Those who took to a knee did so on the clock. I don't know any employer who allows protests on their dime, do you?
i'll get off my soapbox for now. :)
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
That was another place, another time...cold war era (don't even know if you were alive then?)
We went to aid an ally to stop communism...yes it should of been handled differently but lesson learned the hard way, and a lot of corruption....
My brother did two tours in 'nam....66/67...don't even go there "friend"
Got nothing to do with overpaid athletes who never served disrespecting the flag to further their "agenda"
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It's a classy resolution, but the NFL just came out and said that there was "no official vote" by the owners. I'm concerned to see what the NFLPA has to say about this.
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Not a surprising decision to say the least
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
That was another place, another time...cold war era (don't even know if you were alive then?)
We went to aid an ally to stop communism...yes it should of been handled differently but lesson learned the hard way, and a lot of corruption....
My brother did two tours in 'nam....66/67...don't even go there "friend"
Got nothing to do with overpaid athletes who never served disrespecting the flag to further their "agenda"
I passed my army physical in 1970.Nixons lottery kept me out.I was fortunate.Im sorry your bro was there.Hopefully he came back ok.Lessons learned?Where??In God we trust?Where?Jesus wouldnt disrespect and show attn to himself.Stay in the locker room.
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I do not think the NFL players are dissing our flag, it's just kneeling to make their statement of equality.
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This is so stupid and I don't agree at all. What happened to freedom of speech and expression?
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It's about time. Of course, the mighty dollar speaks. But, for whatever the reason, the anthem is being respected & that's all that counts.
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I do not think the NFL players are dissing our flag, it's just kneeling to make their statement of equality.
I agree.They use that platform to draw attn to police brutality etc.And NFL worries about the buck.Then you get the chain reaction from nationalism.....some domino effect.
The Buffalo Springfield band in the 60s sang the song "For what its worth".Excellent line in the song.Nobodys right if everyone is wrong.
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
They were "taking a knee" to protest against the country aka the flag. You want to protest then fine protest all you want but show some friggin respect when the National Anthem is played.
And the country is not injured. Things are better right now than they have been in a long time. Well aside from the pansie snowflakes who are offended and cry about everything and want everything catered to them.
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
Really? How to you know what bothered him? HE was in the Army. He did not make the choice to get involved in Vietnam. Neither did any other random person in this country. You want to know WHY we got involved crack open a history book. You know them books that explain things that happened in the past. Of course we can't teach history in the classroom any more because it "offends" the snow flakes.
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I do not think the NFL players are dissing our flag, it's just kneeling to make their statement of equality.
There are certain ways you are suppose to act when the flag is presented and the anthem is being sung. Playing on your cell phone and kneeling is not one of them. You want to protest something stupid then find another way to do it. And blacks have equality. I am so sick of this. There have been 3 that is THREE white men shot in my area and not a word was said. Other than the initial report. NOBODY cared. WHY? Because it was a WHITE man that died.
You don't want to get shot by the police then don't break the law. Don't point a gun at them. Don't swing a knife at them. Don't try to hit them with your car. Oh idk don't be an idiot!
That is supposedly what they were protesting.
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I believe a lot of ppl have boycotted watching the NFL, including my husband and I due to this controversy. That's probably why they have now decided to take this stand instead of keep losing viewers. Kapernick should have been fired and that would perhaps ended it! I feel if you don't respect our flag and therefore our Country, you should leave this Country and lose your citizenship. Doubt most of the ones taking the knee even had a position they supported; just an attention getter. Disgusting! Not sure even now we'll go back to watching the games.
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I believe a lot of ppl have boycotted watching the NFL, including my husband and I due to this controversy. That's probably why they have now decided to take this stand instead of keep losing viewers. Kapernick should have been fired and that would perhaps ended it! I feel if you don't respect our flag and therefore our Country, you should leave this Country and lose your citizenship. Doubt most of the ones taking the knee even had a position they supported; just an attention getter. Disgusting! Not sure even now we'll go back to watching the games.
And you def should loose all government benefits! My uncle quit watching it. I have other family that verbalized they would boycott but then post online they watched the game. Rolled my eyes plum back in my head. lol
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
Really? How to you know what bothered him? HE was in the Army. He did not make the choice to get involved in Vietnam. Neither did any other random person in this country. You want to know WHY we got involved crack open a history book. You know them books that explain things that happened in the past. Of course we can't teach history in the classroom any more because it "offends" the snow flakes.
Maybe you should crack open an english book and learn how to read.I never said i knew...i asked Joe a question.Punctuation mark.....?????...learn what it means.And while you are at it crack open the bible and read what Jesus said about using the sword and friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4
After Peter used his sword to attack the high priest’s slave, Jesus commanded Peter: “Return your sword to its place.” Then Jesus stated a principle that guides Christians even today: “All those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.”—Matthew 26:51, 52.
Dont think you can preach the bible and then suck up to the flag......
New International Version
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both.Math 6:24
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I stopped watching the NFL. The heck with them.
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This is so stupid and I don't agree at all. What happened to freedom of speech and expression?
They still have the freedom to kneel if the want. The NFL just has consequences for it now.
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Sorry i omitted Joes answer when i asked him about all Vietnam War.......he said....
That was another place, another time...cold war era (don't even know if you were alive then?)
We went to aid an ally to stop communism...yes it should of been handled differently but lesson learned the hard way, and a lot of corruption....
Again CG......go take a reading class....you see things that arent there....you only care what you have to say and most of the time be controversial.
Obviously his answer to my question the deaths bothered him...but he tried to cover it up the best way without making government look like the bad guys......
A million uncalled for deaths is kinda hard to sweep under the rug!!
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
They were "taking a knee" to protest against the country aka the flag. You want to protest then fine protest all you want but show some friggin respect when the National Anthem is played.
And the country is not injured. Things are better right now than they have been in a long time. Well aside from the pansie snowflakes who are offended and cry about everything and want everything catered to them.
The pansie snowflakes are afraid to send their children to school for fear its a war zone.The pansie snowflakes are dropping like flys ODing on dope.Countless abortions are killing babies.Animals are abused.People are starving and homeless.The love of the greater number has cooled off.
I dont have time to write a book.This has already been written about these times.
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I would agree but I've a great feeling that trump is not sincere in his ranting's! He doesn't care about respecting the flag! It's all about ratings to him! I just feel that every time someone agrees with trump, they're just blowing up a 5 year old spoiled brat's ego bigger and bigger! Image a 5yr with a short temper, no moral skills holding American's launch codes!
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I was in the Army 1976-1979....burns my *bleep* when I see the flag disrespected..... :bad: :(
It didnt bother you a half million US soldiers and countless Vietnamese soldiers died without knowing why?
Really? How to you know what bothered him? HE was in the Army. He did not make the choice to get involved in Vietnam. Neither did any other random person in this country. You want to know WHY we got involved crack open a history book. You know them books that explain things that happened in the past. Of course we can't teach history in the classroom any more because it "offends" the snow flakes.
Maybe you should crack open an english book and learn how to read.I never said i knew...i asked Joe a question.Punctuation mark.....?????...learn what it means.And while you are at it crack open the bible and read what Jesus said about using the sword and friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4
After Peter used his sword to attack the high priest’s slave, Jesus commanded Peter: “Return your sword to its place.” Then Jesus stated a principle that guides Christians even today: “All those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.”—Matthew 26:51, 52.
Dont think you can preach the bible and then suck up to the flag......
New International Version
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both.Math 6:24
lol. You don't have a clue what the Bible says or means. That is obvious from your posts.
And I don't "suck up to the flag". But I will put a few more in my yard so your clowns will skip my house when you go door to door pushing your agenda.
The BIBLE clearly says "ye are saved by grace not by works lest any man boast" but your cult dismisses that verse. Along with a bunch of others.
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Sorry i omitted Joes answer when i asked him about all Vietnam War.......he said....
That was another place, another time...cold war era (don't even know if you were alive then?)
We went to aid an ally to stop communism...yes it should of been handled differently but lesson learned the hard way, and a lot of corruption....
Again CG......go take a reading class....you see things that arent there....you only care what you have to say and most of the time be controversial.
Obviously his answer to my question the deaths bothered him...but he tried to cover it up the best way without making government look like the bad guys......
A million uncalled for deaths is kinda hard to sweep under the rug!!
LOL. You do exactly what you are accusing me of. You want to insult me because you disagree with me.
You only care about what you think and what you have to say. And like you accuse me of most of what you say is controversial.
So many you need to go take all the classes you say I need. Along with an attitude class. You want to jump down everyone's throat and can't handle someone having a different opinion. If you don't respect this country, it's flag or what it stands for then why don't you go live somewhere else?
Showing respect for our flag is not worshiping it. Big difference.
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It was not about disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when a player is injured and right now the country is injured. I do not agree with the decision.
They were "taking a knee" to protest against the country aka the flag. You want to protest then fine protest all you want but show some friggin respect when the National Anthem is played.
And the country is not injured. Things are better right now than they have been in a long time. Well aside from the pansie snowflakes who are offended and cry about everything and want everything catered to them.
The pansie snowflakes are afraid to send their children to school for fear its a war zone.The pansie snowflakes are dropping like flys ODing on dope.Countless abortions are killing babies.Animals are abused.People are starving and homeless.The love of the greater number has cooled off.
I dont have time to write a book.This has already been written about these times.
If you think taking up the guns is going to stop things like this you are more insane that I already thought. The bad guys are always going to have access to guns. In case you have not figured it out yet they aren't too big on obeying the law.
And I know all about the BOOK you speak of. Maybe you should read it. And the REAL ONE not your version. And realize that ALL of it applies. Not just the verses you choose to pick out. It's not a buffet. You can't pick and choose which ones you want to believe and throw the rest of it out the window. And you can't change it to make it fit your agenda. You will realize that one day.
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I am glad they finally did something. While I can applaud people for believing and taking a stand in those beliefs, I believe there is an appropriate time and place for such actions and a football field as the national anthem plays is not one of them. When you are out on a field such that, you are not representing yourself to the public but your team. What I can't believe his why Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid don't understand why their actions were seen as disrespectful. How could they have been seen as anything but disrespectful? While you don't have to place your hand on your heart, or speak the words, you have to stand. It is a sign of respect. Therefore, if you don't, of course it is going to be seen as the opposite. Any time, for any reason during a national anthem is no place to make a stand for personal, and/or political views. Yes, this country has flaws. But it is still a moment to honor the country in which you choose to live and those that died and still die to defend it and I just don't mean our military. I also mean ordinary people like law enforcement, doctors, fire fighters etc. and our Civil Rights leaders. I stand to also think about them, people like Martin Luther King Jr., who died fighting to make this country better than it was. When I see people take a knee I think about how disrespectful it is to someone like King. So I applaud the NFL for finally taking a stand and making anyone whom is out there representing their team on the field stand to respect the country they're playing the sport for. What is sad is that they had to do this.
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Seen on a t-shirt:
"You don't watch the NFL for the anthem
So if you don't like the kneeling
Just ignore it
Like you do racism and police brutality."
And Martin Luther King was murdered by the US government.
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Seen on a t-shirt:
"You don't watch the NFL for the anthem
So if you don't like the kneeling
Just ignore it
Like you do racism and police brutality."
And Martin Luther King was murdered by the US government.
UGH! ::)
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I think that the National Football League did this in answer to falling numbers in viewership. It was all about the money. I have decreased the amount of time spent watching football not because of the perceived reason for protesting of disrespect for the flag but because I wanted to watch football and it was turning into a venue for something other than football. The NFL's latest stance is weak and subjective at best, utilizing the words "possibly" and "might happen" way too much, most likely to avoid using it when they see the wave of law suits tied to inhibiting free speech. An NBA coach, in support of free speech, stated that the kneeling was in protest police brutality and racial inequality-not disrespecting the flag or military, which is what cheeto decided to make it about in his usual manner of sensationalizing events for his own personal gain.
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Sorry i omitted Joes answer when i asked him about all Vietnam War.......he said....
That was another place, another time...cold war era (don't even know if you were alive then?)
We went to aid an ally to stop communism...yes it should of been handled differently but lesson learned the hard way, and a lot of corruption....
Again CG......go take a reading class....you see things that arent there....you only care what you have to say and most of the time be controversial.
Obviously his answer to my question the deaths bothered him...but he tried to cover it up the best way without making government look like the bad guys......
A million uncalled for deaths is kinda hard to sweep under the rug!!
LOL. You do exactly what you are accusing me of. You want to insult me because you disagree with me.
You only care about what you think and what you have to say. And like you accuse me of most of what you say is controversial.
So many you need to go take all the classes you say I need. Along with an attitude class. You want to jump down everyone's throat and can't handle someone having a different opinion. If you don't respect this country, it's flag or what it stands for then why don't you go live somewhere else?
Showing respect for our flag is not worshiping it. Big difference.
Fits you to a T!!
“Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14) Moreover, people deceive themselves in religious matters. Proverbs 14:12 states: “There exists a way that is upright before a man, but the ways of death are the end of it afterward.”
I know you dont acknowledge Gods name.There is a theme through-out the bible that says,Jehovah will NOT share his glory to any other false gods.
The bible clearly says Satan is the ruler of this system right now.He offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world for an act of worship.Jesus told him Jehovah is GOD and refused.
3 Hebrews refused to bow down to King Nebuchadnezzer idols and were saved by God when he tried to kill them.
Rev 4:11 reads Jehovah is only 1 that deserves that honor cos HE created life <us>
You seem to only know 1 verse in the bible.I suggest you make yourself famiiar with the rest of the book and be taught by Gods people...NOT Babylon the Great.
Over 20 million attend The Memorial each yr worldwide.A command Jesus gave after he dismissed Judas.Do you get at least 20 to attend a bingo game at your Babylonish church?
Dont flatter yourself.If Gods people see you arent interested in the truth,they will obey Jesus command and dust their feet and bid you good-day...so save your effort buying more flags.
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Don't like nothing about the new one in office.
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Don't like nothing about the new one in office.
Better than the last one a wayyyyyy better than the Dems witch..... :highfive:
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Don't like nothing about the new one in office.
Better than the last one a wayyyyyy better than the Dems witch..... :highfive:
I second that and 3rd 4th 5th it too !!
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I just threw up in my mouth! :-X :P
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