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We had a very good lesson that came from the bible about how sacred life is to Jehovah.
It stressed the fact with the Israelites how God treated an unintentional murder/killing and showed his justice.
I expect the majority to not be interested in this cos many just arent interested in the bible even tho many say they support it.
If the court system today took this advice justice would certainly be better.But we will have to wait for Gods kingdom to clean up the manmade/Satanic rule and we can expect the ONLY righteous rule to come from Jesus and the 144000 that will be kings with him.
Enjoy the article.Thank you.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1995843
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I know there will be some that will ask,what if i or my family is being attacked and i must defend them?
The bible answers...........
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/
In this system war is glorified and not necessary.Remember Jesus scolded Peter when Peter defended him on the night Jesus was arrested.He told him those that draw the sword will die by it.
Satan has blinded many with nationalism in this world.Gods kingdom will do away with that way of thinking soon.
All life is precious to Jehovah.No one has the right to intentionally take anothers.Only God can justify when and how it happened taking ignorance into account as he did with Paul.
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I think it will be a good way to update this topic when a bible lesson/talk is valid to put up.
It has been over a yr the door to door preaching work and meetings have been shut down cos of the virus.Gods people use the phone and internet to educate others RE the truth.
This forum has always been helpful cos of the traffic that goes thru it.
I welcome anyone with interest to stop by and participate.Hopefully there will be none to come in and deliberately cause trouble.
I see from when Hitch supported the bible and Watchtower Org.how some tried to put an end to it and they are gone and God blessed his truths 10 fold with us still doing what Hitch did.
Jehovah showed by us carrying on Hitches work who the TRUE God and religeon is by blessing our work and how many thought of it favorably.
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Let us put up another teaching point if you belong to a religeon that teaches if you believe in Jesus you will be saved.
Judas certainly believed in him.He was even honored to be chosen as 1 of Jesus apostles as well.But sadly being a thief overcame him to betray Jesus.He sinned against Gods holy spirit where there is NO forgiveness.
Jesus concluded when he said RE Judas,"it would have been better off if Judas wasnt born."There will be no resurrection for Judas and to those that have a religeon that says they will be saved if they believe in Jesus it might be wise for them to examine it.
Jesus furthur said."he that endures to the end will be saved"Math:24:13
Pretty obvious Judas didnt.
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Time to put some more helpful scriptures up why this world is so wicked and while man himself is capable of being wicked and cruel himself,since 1914 he has had much help........REV 12 explains
7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el*i and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail,* nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragonj was hurled, the original serpent,k the one called Devill and Satan,m who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;n he was hurled down to the earth,o and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come to pass the salvationp and the power and the Kingdom of our Godq and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!r 11 And they conquered hims because of the blood of the Lambt and because of the word of their witnessing,u and they did not love their souls*v even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea,w because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”x
Please note Satan and his angels are NOT in a firery hell like so many religeons teach.He actually had access to heaven in other parts of the bible.One example is in book of Job where he spoke with Jehovah RE how he could break Jobs integrity and failed.
In 1914 he was confined to the earth and immediately WW I began.
Time to examine what many of you have been taught.
The state of the earth since 1914 speaks volumes.
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I just wanted to bring this to the top again after the earthquake in Haiti.
Just another sign of the Last Days Jesus spoke about in Mathew and earthquakes are one of many thngs to happen since 1914.
I know if there JWs in Haiti you can be assurred the worldwide organization will do their best to help them and i hope many affected by this quake can turn to them to get some help.
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Not sure I understand what you are trying to said, but I do know we are living in our last days.
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Not sure I understand what you are trying to said, but I do know we are living in our last days.
I hope not
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Not sure I understand what you are trying to said, but I do know we are living in our last days.
GH,when the apostles asked Jesus for signs of the last days of this Satanic system MANY earthquakes would be a tell tale sign as many other thing.
Here is a link that will explain it more thorough.
Thanx
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-prophecy-sign/
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Not sure I understand what you are trying to said, but I do know we are living in our last days.
I hope not
Nancy the Last days means the end of this manmade,Satanic governed controlled world.
The earth lasts forever and will be populated with righteous people under Gods government <kingdom>.God has appointed his son Jesus as king of it and Satan and his rebellious angels and wicked mankind will be sent to oblivion.
You see all the cruelty and wickedness in this world.Do you think a loving God caused this?Of course not.But he has allowed it to go on to see where many stand if they want their own independence & freedom apart from his rules or not.
Our very lifes matter.
Jesus said those that are not with me scatter.
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Definitely living in the last days, but the Lord isn't coming back until the last child of promise is born. I pray that is soon. I am more than ready to join my son.
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Definitely living in the last days, but the Lord isn't coming back until the last child of promise is born. I pray that is soon. I am more than ready to join my son.
Sorry,i dont have a clue what "last child of promise"means.
Glad you see the "last days are upon us"
Remember what Jesus told his disciples right before he ascended to heaven.
11 Following his death and resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and gave them this weighty commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matt. 28:19, 20) The words “I am with you” indicated that the disciples would have his backing in the preaching and disciple-making work. They would need such support, for Jesus had foretold that they would be “objects of hatred by all the nations.” (Matt. 24:9) The disciples could count on something else for support. Just before ascending to heaven, Jesus told them that they would be empowered by holy spirit to be his witnesses “to the most distant part of the earth.”—Acts 1:8.
Its not hard to figure in todays world who his followers are and following his commands.
Math 24:14 backs it up even more......
This good news of the kingdom will be preached worldwide.When God is satisified, a new government will be ushered in for 1000 yrs and Jesus will be king of it ruling earth from heaven.
Again NOT hard to figure what sect is fulfilling that scripture.
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Why be truthful?
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20070201/Why-Be-Truthful/
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Math 26:6-13
6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9 “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”
10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you,[a] but you will not always have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.
Notice how many complained the oil poured on Jesus was TOO expensive even tho the woman was doing a fine thing in preparation for his burial......YET today millions are spent on weapons of mass destruction.
How can anymore argue against,"The whole world lies in power of the wicked one"
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Having a Bible lesson can be so freeing and makes for a lot of clear thinking.
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Having a Bible lesson can be so freeing and makes for a lot of clear thinking.
I agree as long as truth is coming from it
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All the natural disasters are sad.Hurricanes,earthquakes etc.
So let us ask ourselves that think a loving Creator exists,why does he permit this?
Scripture in James tells us God doesnt try us with evil or wickedness.Never.
A&E rebelled under the influence of a rebellious angel that NOT only doomed mankind but has allowed this world to be what it is.
God told Adam the ground was cursed on his account.
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The truth RE what fate means........
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1996641
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Ponder this.JW.org speaks of Gods enemy Satan quite a bit to educate us why this world is so wicked.
ALL the other religeons hardly a whimper of him even tho the bible itself doesnt hold back info RE the devil.
Well if the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one and he is in control of all its political/religeous BS,it only makes sense for him to NOT include himself why the world is what it is.Satan realizes its much easier to blind many that his existence is a farce.The bible actually says he transforms himself into an angel of light for more deception.
Then he also makes it sound like he is in some type of hell and others will join him after their life is over on earth.Satan actually makes Jehovah look wicked or mean if he would punish his creation forever and burn in a hell.Just how Satan has blinded Christendom to believe such garbage.Jesus said once you knew the truth it will set you free from such nonsense.
Satan and devil mean slanderer or adversary.Exactly what he is to Jehovah God,the ONLY True God.
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True Christians DONT go to war.
You cant support bible and go to war explained.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/why-dont-jw-go-to-war/
I was very fortunate in 1970.I passed my army physical.President Nixon and congress passed a birthday lottery who would get drafted.My # came out 160.They drafted up to 125 that yr.Vietnam was going strong.Those drafted had a good chance going there.
If i knew in 1970 what i knew what bible said i would have gone to jail instead of being drafted.
Thank you Nixon and congress.
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In todays 30 minute public talk the speaker put emphasis on Math 5.Jesus Sermon on the Mountain.
2. What did a Hindu leader say about the practical value of the Sermon on the Mount?
2 The Bible can be of tremendous practical value to us. Many thinking persons have acknowledged this fact. As an example, there is the following report in Treasury of the Christian Faith by S. J. Corey concerning a conversation between the Hindu leader Mahatma Gandhi and the former British Viceroy of India, Lord Irwin:
“Lord Irwin paid a visit to the Mahatma in his ashram. During the conversation Lord Irwin put this question to his host: ‘Mahatma, as man to man, tell me what you consider to be the solution to the problems of your country and mine.’ Taking up a little book from the nearby lampstand, Gandhi opened it to the fifth chapter of Matthew and replied, ‘When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.’ That from a Hindu!”
Most have a bible.Instead of picking up a newspaper read Jesus Sermon on the Mt in Math 5
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“HAPPY are those who mourn”? “What a contradiction!” someone may well exclaim upon reading those words in Jesus’ sermon on the mount. Mourning and happy at the same time? How can that be?
A little reflection, however, will make it plain. True, among the many definitions of the word “happy” is “having the feeling arising from the consciousness of well-being”; and among its synonyms are gay, cheerful, pleasant, glad and joyous. However, “happy” also has a deeper meaning, such as fortunate, or, from the Bible viewpoint, “favored by God.” It is this weightier meaning that attaches to Jesus’ words: “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.”—Matt. 5:4.
I just put this piece up in a 9/11 topic.It belongs here too.
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Do Not Look at “the Things Behind”
“No man that has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well fitted for the kingdom of God.”—LUKE 9:62.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012206
This parable Jesus gives is important to all of us.
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It might be a good time now to thank the many that have supported and thanked myself,Hitch and Drutts over the past 10 plus years for our support of Jehovahs kingdom and HIS bible truths.
Unless FC folds we arent going anywheres.FC is a great venue to witness bible truths now with the pandemic going on almost 2 yrs.We will know when its safe to go out in the world by the governing body of Gods rule.
If you just need a break from this Satanic/manmade world please feel free to always stop by and view or chat here.
The few from the past that disrupted us are not or hardly here.Jehovah has supported what the 3 of us have done in ways that have proved that.
I know there are stilll many here that are not interested or dont support Jehovahs organization,but the members here now at least have stayed away and thats fine.Jesus didnt run for office or threaten those that didnt heed his message.Oh yeah he scolded and spoke the truth and using the bible i will gladly do so if any come in and disrupt our message.
Just remember what the bible says......the beginning of wisdom is the fear of Jehovah and it is Gods hope that all of us are taught the truth but remember we arent forced and have freedom of choice.Thats not a fear in a dreaded way.Its a fear just like when you have disobeyed your parents and they became disappointed in you.
Thank you.
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Many have questions why those that serve and obey Jehovah dont celebrate certain days.
Its very simple.If you had an enemy would you support or celebrate days etc from them?Of course not.I dont think you would wish them Happy Birthday.
Satan is clearly Gods enemy through-out the bible and days such as Xmas,Easter,Halloween originated with Satan,NOT Jehovah.JW.org explains why those days are pagan.
God is clear especially to his chosen people in book of Exodus how he felt about false gods and worshipping them.Many lost their lives cos of that especially after he saved them from the Egyptians and proved there are NO other gods before him.
The time will come for all of us to choose to obey the first command that Jesus gave.LOve Jehovah and 2nd to love our neighbor.
We can clearly see the whole world lies in power of wicked one.Love and wars dont mix.
But we can be be sure God will end it soon and bring in a righteous system.
The devil knows his time is short and he is doing everything he can to bring down the human race.He will succeed to a degree but far from what he claimed.
Math 7:13 New International Version
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
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Romans (6:23): “The wages of sin is death.”
1st Corinth 15:22:For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
If man had an immortal soul Jesus would NOT have had to suffer and die.
Since death constitutes “wages” for sin, the Bible principle is, “He who has died has been acquitted [justified] from his sin.” (Rom. 6:7,
This scripture backs up we are dust and dont exist at death or asleep as Jesus referred to Lazarus right before he resurrected him.
Proving the hell theory is a crock from manmade/satanic doctrine.
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Ill betcha NOT too many in Christendom know the biblical story of Ananias and his wife Sapphira in the book of Acts.
If they did maybe their conscience would kick in.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101971117
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I often wonder how the Lord feels about all the evil people who will take a life without a thought. I look around, On TV to see all the different types of hatred, prejudices that is going on in the World that he/she created. To see a World I am sure was never to happen.
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I often wonder how the Lord feels about all the evil people who will take a life without a thought. I look around, On TV to see all the different types of hatred, prejudices that is going on in the World that he/she created. To see a World I am sure was never to happen.
Thanx for the post Mrisha.
Thou shall not murder was 1 of the 10 commandments.So God is not too happy when somebody takes anothers life.
You are sooo right.God didnt create a world we have now.A rebellious angel <Satan>sinned and wanted worship from A&E by lying to them about their life and that God was holding something better back from them.Then in book of Job he said mankind doesnt love him and would only obey him cos he gives them everything.Let me <Satan>turn Job or anyone into poverty and they will curse you to your face.
We all know how that turned out.Many have proven the devil a liar with the best example coming from when Jesus was a man.Jesus showed under more trying conditions Adam could have loved and obeyed God.They didnt and doomed the human race into death.
God has allowed the wicked world to exist to see what is really in peoples hearts and to prove a manmade government with Satan behind the scenes will fail.
6000 yrs have proven that it fails and soon God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth and his original purpose with mankind turning the earth into a paradise and loving peaceful conditions will come to pass with Jesus ruling the earth from heaven as the Lords prayer says.And the wicked will be NOOOOOOOOOO more and the laws will be Jehovahs.
Jesus said he that is not on my side scatters.I dont think i need to explain that.
“The world is passing away and so is its desire,” says 1 John 2:17. ... Because the world in question has 'desires' that merit God's disapproval, ...
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The bible says 1000 of our years is like 1 day to Jehovah who always existed and never will have an ending.
I bring that up cos man has existed for 6000 yrs and the nonsense that has been going on in this world is 6 days to God.
NOT very long.BUTTTTTTT from bible scripture we have been living in the last days of this Satanic/manmade system since 1914 and Jesus said as a sign that some living in 1914 would see the end.They are quite old now.
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I have put some info RE how God feels about blood in some other topics.
Its backed up from the bible to whoever might be interested.
You have some here that warn against getting the Covid vaccine but yet they go give blood that the bible clearly says God says to abstain from.HUHHHHHHHH!!!
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/section-3/lesson-39/
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John 3:16—“For God So Loved the World”
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”—John 3:16, New World Translation.
Might be the most POPULAR scripture in the bible and explained why it is.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/bible-verses/john-3-16/
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Im always here to give FREE wisdom from the good book!
Prov 29:20
Have you beheld someone hasty with their words?There is more help for someone that is stupid then them.
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I was going thru some past posts and i noticed a question asked by a mocker of the JWs that should have been answered and wasnt.Here it is.
Let me stop you right there. How could Jesus have paid the price to ransom us? If He is merely a created spirit being- the angel Michael, in the JW bizarre reasoning- what makes Him worthy enough to pay for our sins? Couldn't another Spirit being do it? If Jesus isn't equal to the Father as the Son, why couldn't any old angel be the sacrifice?
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/draw-close/justice/god-gave-jesus-ransom-sacrifice/
I know many arent that interested but even if 1 is it was worth puttting up.
Thank you.
We must also remember Jesus was directly created by Jehovah.Thats why he is referred to Gods begotten son.Everything else created was done by the 2 of them.He was also referred to in heaven as "The word"He spoke for Jehovah and as mentioned in the article and in the bible Jehovah was especially fond of him.A perfect life at the extreme expense of Jehovah and Jesus.It surely shows the love they both had for mankind as stated in John 3:16.And that the name Jehovah means "He causes to become"and the rebellion in Eden and Satans other false claims proved he was the father of the lie.And Gods purpose will become reality with the earth standing forever and being ruled by Jehovah and Jesus under a righteous government in Gods kingdom for a people with Gods name.
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We have need of endurance.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Survival-Into-a-New-Earth/You-Have-Need-of-Endurance/
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Definitely living in the last days, but the Lord isn't coming back until the last child of promise is born. I pray that is soon. I am more than ready to join my son.
Sorry,i dont have a clue what "last child of promise"means.
Glad you see the "last days are upon us"
Remember what Jesus told his disciples right before he ascended to heaven.
11 Following his death and resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and gave them this weighty commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matt. 28:19, 20) The words “I am with you” indicated that the disciples would have his backing in the preaching and disciple-making work. They would need such support, for Jesus had foretold that they would be “objects of hatred by all the nations.” (Matt. 24:9) The disciples could count on something else for support. Just before ascending to heaven, Jesus told them that they would be empowered by holy spirit to be his witnesses “to the most distant part of the earth.”—Acts 1:8.
Its not hard to figure in todays world who his followers are and following his commands.
Math 24:14 backs it up even more......
This good news of the kingdom will be preached worldwide.When God is satisified, a new government will be ushered in for 1000 yrs and Jesus will be king of it ruling earth from heaven.
Again NOT hard to figure what sect is fulfilling that scripture.
No problem, it means the last child of God is born again. In other words, from the beginning, only so many children of God were in God's plan. He won't come back until that final child is born. I am Primitive Baptist, so our beliefs are not always understood or shared by other denominations. They important thing is that praise God Christ will return to bring all his children up to heaven. I am looking forward to that day.
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Jehovah is a God of order,not disorder.
He formed the earth to be inhabited by righteous and peaceful people under his rule to live forever on it,his original purpose.
144000 ONLY go to heaven to rule with Jesus.
Bible backs this up.
The GREAT crowd is referred to those on earth.
This was Gods plan until rebellion in Eden.Freedom of choice brought sin into the world.We arent robots.God made provisions another way thru Jesus to fulfill what his original purpose was.God told A&E in the book of Genesis to be fruitful and become many.I think that puts to rest the number of people God wanted on the earth.If it ever got to the point of it being overcrowded,Jehovah gave man and woman their creative powers and im sure he could also put a stop to it.
Thank you.
1 last thing,it took you 3 months to reply to me what the heck the last child of god is....LOL!!!
I made a mistake asking for that in the first place.
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yes the poor will always be with us,how true.give thanks for what you have. someone took a pic of a homeless woman sleeping on the street with her 5 dogs . she had nothing but those dogs
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yes the poor will always be with us,how true.give thanks for what you have. someone took a pic of a homeless woman sleeping on the street with her 5 dogs . she had nothing but those dogs
In this Satanic/manmade system,yes the poor will be with us.
When Gods kingdom cleans up this mess shortly that will NEVER be the case.Even death will be no more.The former things will pass away and God will wipe all tears away from us as promised in book of Revelation.
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The true God Jehovah has told us in John 3:16 how he sent his son Jesus to die a ransom death for us and that was the greatest act of love one could do.
Yet some believe that this same God would send his creation to be tormented FOREVER in a burning hell.And in another breath they say God loves us....LOL!
That absolutely makes NO sense.
If you punished your children would you spank them forever?
The bible is clear what happenes to the dead.They go back to dust and DONT exist or are conscious of anything.After Jesus resurrected Lazarus did Lazarus speak of a heavenly bliss or hell fire?NO!!!It backs up Eccl 9:5 that the dead are sleeping or unconscious and know nothing.Non-existence which dust is as God told Adam what death was.Christendom under the influence of Satan has blinded the world in many ways.
Again the blindness of many that Satan has deceived to make Jehovah look evil.
Sin caused death.When we die we are acquitted of sin then cos it has accomplished what the bible said it would do.
You would have to be out of your mind to want to worship a God that would do such that.<Punish you forever>
The bible says Satan also is a god.
It also says there are MANY gods,but only 1 God the father.
Father means "Life-giver.
Rev 4:11 reads Jehovah is the only God that deserves to be worshipped cos HE created all things and ALL things exist cos of him.
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Amen. This was good, thank you for sharing!
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Amen. This was good, thank you for sharing!
You are welcome LaTasha.My pleasure but thank God for giving us HIS word and as Jesus said speaking of him,"Your word is truth"
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The world is getting scarier, tornados in December? It is getting crazy.
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The world is getting scarier, tornados in December? It is getting crazy.
Teresa to elaborate more on that.After Adam sinned God told him,"cursed is the ground on your account".
The answer to many of the natural disasters that happen.Plus under the rule of Satan man has ruined the earth.
Buckle your seatbelt.Its gonna get a lot worse then better.
There was a great public talk today entitled How confident are we in Jehovah?
Point being HE is our only chance for survival and the bible gives examples when we love and serve him and what happens when we DONT!!
Even Christendom turns to politics and manmade rulers to fix the problems we have on this planet instead of Gods kingdom <government>......and that only makes Eccl 8:9 look even better.....
Man has dominated himself to his own injury.
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There are some relgeons that teach Jesus is God.
Sadly you can use the bible and discernment to teach them the truth and it wouldnt help them to wanna know the truth.
Just realize when Noah preached to a wicked world that Jehovah would destroy it by flood,they must have scoffed at him or just didnt care what he said.ONLY 8 survived the deluge.
It will be the same today.Jehovah has preached to the world of the on coming destruction of Babylon The Great <false religeon>of this Satanic system,a Great tribulation and climaxing in Armaghhedon.
Briefly showing if Jesus is God,who resurrected him when he was executed?Himself?LOL!!
Plus Jehovah always was and will always be.Jesus was born as a spirit son of God and died as a man showing his mortality.He is Jehovahs begotten son,first born of all creation and he represented God by given the title in heaven "The Word"
He even said the father is greater then I and i am ascending to my God and your God.Never did he challenge Jehovah as the rightful sovereign of the universe.
Just like Pharoah of Egypt had to learn the hardway that Jehovah is God so will this planet when the time comes to remove Satan and his followers forever.
Life and death are before us all.Remember what Jesus said,he that is not with me scatters as he did and taught the will of his father.
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With alll the evil and wickedness in the world many of us have asked this question,Why doesnt God get rid of the devil?
You wont find the answer to this question in any other religeon except JW.org.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201012/god-get-rid-of-devil/
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Sharper then any 2 edged sword,the apostle Paul used those words to describe bible truths at Heb:4:12
It shows how EVERYone of us feels about bible truth.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1960440
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There was a terrible fire in NYC earlier in a high rise that left many dead and injured.Many being children.
Before i knew anything about the bible over 50 yrs ago, when terrible things happened i always asked if a God of love exists why does he permit this?
I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.When i started getting involved with Jehovahs people and publications they broke it down using the bible that i knew was the truth.
If you are also 1 that has asked that question i asked over 50 yrs ago,it is with pleasure i leave you the truth here.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-study/why-does-god-allow-suffering/
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I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.
You just didn't stick around long enough! ;)
https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426
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I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.
You just didn't stick around long enough! ;)
https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20030801/received-free-give-free/
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I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.
You just didn't stick around long enough! ;)
https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426
I cost myself enjoying a lot of ham sandwiches on Friday when i was a Catholic.
When you know the truth it sets you free said Jesus.
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I was brought up a Catholic and found NO answers from that.
You just didn't stick around long enough! ;)
https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426
So what is exactly YOUR gods plan?It seemed to me when i was a catholic 60 yrs ago when we died we went to heaven/hell/purgatory/Limbo.
The doctrines must have changed im assuming.LOL!!!I know what YOUR gods plan is but id like to give you the floor and have you tell us.
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If you are allowed to, I would encourage you to read the book. I don't have the ability or eloquence to explain it in a limited amount of space in an Internet forum. But it gives a better perspective of the Catholic understanding on the issue than what you apparently were [not] taught however many years ago.
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If you are allowed to, I would encourage you to read the book. I don't have the ability or eloquence to explain it in a limited amount of space in an Internet forum. But it gives a better perspective of the Catholic understanding on the issue than what you apparently were [not] taught however many years ago.
I would rather suck an egg.
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This is a 100% honest and sincere question. Not an attack, not an accusation, not a hostility. The question I have is why are you unwilling or not permitted to read other church's writings and teachings on these sorts of questions? You say that the Catholic church has no teaching or grasp of certain topics in your experience. I tell you that you are mistaken and give you references (similar to the way that you give jw.org references). But then you make remarks that show you aren't willing to read what I link to. Why should I or anyone else be willing to read your church's material if you aren't willing to do the same? Tit for tat...
I don't always understand the logic, but I do try to read all/most/some of what you link to as your authority. Admittedly, I don't always have the time to read everything in its entirety. Please don't hold that against me - but I do at least try when I can. Why am I unable to get the same courtesy from you?
Please understand that it is not intended as an attack, but I will admit that it is perhaps a criticism - but ultimately is really just a question. I don't profess to have all the answers or the ability to explain to the nth degree everything that is true and real about the Catholic faith. But you (and all JWs for that matter) have such a strong aversion to hearing or reading anything that is not published by the JW.org. Why is that? That is an honest question. Why are you unable or unwilling to read opposing viewpoints? Are you afraid that you might find some truth there that actually challenges your beliefs? ??? I enjoy reading opposing viewpoints and they quite honestly increase and strengthen my faith and belief in the Catholic teachings. Wouldn't you think that the same practice would have the same effect on your own beliefs - assuming that they are true?
I hope to avoid any spite or argument or snarkiness. It is just an observation and you may feel free to correct me if I am wrong or mischaracterizing. But seriously, what have you got to lose by reading https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426 ?
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This is a 100% honest and sincere question. Not an attack, not an accusation, not a hostility. The question I have is why are you unwilling or not permitted to read other church's writings and teachings on these sorts of questions? You say that the Catholic church has no teaching or grasp of certain topics in your experience. I tell you that you are mistaken and give you references (similar to the way that you give jw.org references). But then you make remarks that show you aren't willing to read what I link to. Why should I or anyone else be willing to read your church's material if you aren't willing to do the same? Tit for tat...
I don't always understand the logic, but I do try to read all/most/some of what you link to as your authority. Admittedly, I don't always have the time to read everything in its entirety. Please don't hold that against me - but I do at least try when I can. Why am I unable to get the same courtesy from you?
Please understand that it is not intended as an attack, but I will admit that it is perhaps a criticism - but ultimately is really just a question. I don't profess to have all the answers or the ability to explain to the nth degree everything that is true and real about the Catholic faith. But you (and all JWs for that matter) have such a strong aversion to hearing or reading anything that is not published by the JW.org. Why is that? That is an honest question. Why are you unable or unwilling to read opposing viewpoints? Are you afraid that you might find some truth there that actually challenges your beliefs? ??? I enjoy reading opposing viewpoints and they quite honestly increase and strengthen my faith and belief in the Catholic teachings. Wouldn't you think that the same practice would have the same effect on your own beliefs - assuming that they are true?
I hope to avoid any spite or argument or snarkiness. It is just an observation and you may feel free to correct me if I am wrong or mischaracterizing. But seriously, what have you got to lose by reading https://www.amazon.com/Promise-Gods-Purpose-Plan-Hurts/dp/0061353426 ?
I will gladly answer you with this link.You seem to have a problem when i resort when JW.org answers using the bible.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no4-2016-july/compare-christian-beliefs-with-bible/
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Your religeon supports doctrines NOT in the bible.You know what they are but i will remind you of some.
Trinity,hell,Xmas and other holidays,man having immortal soul,blood issues.
The Catholics arent the only religeon that have killed each other.Jesus said his true followers would have love among themselves.Too bad you never experienced being at a JW meeting,convention etc.
I see how blind many are just on Facebook wishing their loved ones happy birthday in heaven.The bible is clear what happens at death at Eccl 9:5 and backed up further when God tells Adam at death he will go back to dust or that Lazarus never spoke of heaven or hell after Jesus resurrected him.
Sorry you support Satans world obviously with your politics.Plain as day what Jesus said about this world.So many blinded by nationalism being their god.
Think about this too.I dont know what population of earth was in Noahs day.As you know God told him to preach what he was gonnaa do cos the world was so wicked.ONLY 8 survived.
Its the same today.Jesus said the road would be broad and spacious to destruction and few finding life.He likened our time to Noahs day.
JWs are in 240 lands teaching the truth about Gods kingdom for over 100 yrs FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
If you cant figure out God is behind that im sorry you dont for whatever reasons you dont believe it.
I just heard tonight advice RE their Bethel headquarters they are just about 100% with everyone there being vaccinated and the support of masks,social distancing,cleanliness etc.Im glad to hear that.
Jesus said the world would hate you on account of me.You see it NOW in Russia.I toldyou in Revelation what will happen in the soon.
Why do you think there are many accounts where Jehovah saves his people in the bible?Your religeons and others dont emphasis that.You think he he wont do the same NOW?????
GET OUT of Babylon the Great warns the bible.....if you dont wanna share in her sins.Oh the world will turn on Gods people after they get rid of Christendom figuring God isnt interested in protecting them.
It will be like touching his eyeball says the bible.
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I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of your points. I am not conceding your points, I just have to go to work. But let me just say that you are incorrect in your first two lines.
Your church has misinterpreted and/or cherry picked parts of the bible out of context to fit your agenda and refuses to acknowledge that there are other authorities as to Christian teaching than just the bible. I am not going to go point by point on them, because past history and your JW instructions will not allow you to engage in that kind of debate. And I also admit that I am not qualified to engage in that kind of theological discussion at that level. I am not a biblical scholar and I am not a Catholic apologist, but I have pointed out to you in the past several instances of the trinity in the bible. You refuse to accept my interpretation of them so it is pointless for me to keep pounding my head against your same brick wall.
Christmas IS a thing. It is very possible that it was not on December 25 - I will readily admit that, but there are also reasonable arguments that it might have been. There are also considerable objective arguments that it did NOT originate as a pagan holiday, but I know that you would refuse to watch the videos or listen to the podcasts that discuss those issues in a rational, point by point, objective fashion. So I am not going to bother trying to make that argument to you. I'd be more than happy to give you those links - but it would do no good. Your unwillingness to even consider my arguments defeats the purpose of even arguing them. I feel like a police office who pulls over a sovereign citizen and asks to see their license and registration. (If you've not seen those videos on YouTube, they can be both entertaining and frustrating to watch).
Get ready for this one because I know I am going to upset you and give you fuel to attack me with this one, but I am going to say it anyway. Not everything that is true about the world and about our faith is documented in full and complete and precise form in the bible with footnotes and references and a note from your doctor. COVID and cancer are not documented in the bible, but they do exist. Automobiles, computers, and baseball are not written about in the bible, but they do exist. Dinosaurs are not in the bible and were not on the Ark, but they did exist. I know you are going to take those statements and turn them into another example of how I don't believe in the bible or accuse me of some other abomination against the bible. I can't stop you from doing that - so go ahead and have at it. You already believe me to be an infidel when it comes to the bible, so I don't have anything to lose by saying these things as well.
I may not be doing the best job of explaining my point either and that is on me. There is truth that exists outside of the pages of the bible. There is also truth to be found in Catholic tradition. The bible didn't even exist in its present form until years/centuries after Jesus walked the earth. What was the documentation of truth during those times? Much of the bible exists due to word of mouth and tradition. Your standard response of "This or that isn't in the bible" (where in many cases it IS there, but you have twisted it to fit your agenda) doesn't even consider that there are other sources of truth. I know that I have just given you a nugget to attack me with from now until the day they shut the lights off at Fusion Cash - so you're welcome!
But until you are willing to read, watch, or listen to the sources I provide that back up some of my points, then we are never going to get past your tendency to fall back into the same mantra of what you're programmed to type out: "Trinity,hell,Xmas and other holidays,man having immortal soul,blood issues." when none of that addresses the question at hand.
Why won't JW allow you to consider my source materials? If they are truly so blasphemous, then you reading them should only serve to bolster your own beliefs and faith system.
The bottom line is that I am willing to read your sources, even if I don't understand them or don't buy the twisted logic they use to say what they are saying. I still am willing to read them to see if I can find something to grasp onto. You are unwilling (or to be more precise you are not allowed) to read my sources. That alone prevents us from debating any topics on an even playing field.
I read you most recently posted link in response to my last question. It in no way responsively answers my question.
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You are so farrrrrrrrrrrrr off base i would be writing forever to correct you.I am just gonna give you 1 BIGGGGGGGGGG example how blind you are.
Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible 1000s of yrs before Jesus walked the earth.Jesus even quoted MANY Xs from the Old Testament.
I sent you a link that explained who God was,wno Jesus is,what Gods kingdom is,what the holy spirit is etc.
The JWs use the bible as Their authority in their teachings.
If you cant discern that Jesus ISNT God by NOT accepting Jehovah resurrected him you are blind!!!And there are other scriptures that promote that as well.I dont feel like typing all day.The KJV is one of the most distinguished bibles and there in Psalms 83:18 it says Jehovah is God!!!
Thanx...i will do my best to avoid bringing up the bible with you.......unless you convince me you humbly wanna learn the truth.
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Thanx...i will do my best to avoid bringing up the bible with you.......unless you convince me you humbly wanna learn the truth.
Look in the mirror. "Likewise to you."
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Thanx...i will do my best to avoid bringing up the bible with you.......unless you convince me you humbly wanna learn the truth.
Look in the mirror. "Likewise to you."
As you know i saw God portrayed as an evil God in the catholic religeon at a very young age.
I gave the example if we hadda discipline our children would we spank them forever.They made God make u suffer forever.
Plus the bible says at death man is acquitted from his sin and it also said the penalty of sin was death.So IOW it has accomplished just that.NOOOOOOOOOOOO furthur punishment or glory.NON-existence!!
The bible also says God IS love not God has love.Love is his most dominant quality after wisdom,justice and power.
You wanna serve your god <Satan>thats your decision.You certainly arent serving Jehovah.Think about that next time you say a prayer who is listening.
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You wanna serve your god <Satan>thats your decision.You certainly arent serving Jehovah.Think about that next time you say a prayer who is listening.
:moneymouth: :peace:
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Just a great read if you desire truth.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1956281
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What is the idea behind you constantly posting about your own subject? One should do it.
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What is the idea behind you constantly posting about your own subject? One should do it.
Different people everyday check out Fusion Cash.I bring the topic back to the top every so often so its seen more easily to them.
The bible covers many subjects that are beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting matters straight.
JW.org is GOD-SENT teaching and explaining bible truths.
Thanx for asking.
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Bible truths RE angels.
After you read the truths about this,many will see how Satan has blinded many RE angels.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-are-angels/
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St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
:angel11:
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St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
:angel11:
Always willing to bring truth out.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/
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One of my friends who is a JW recently last month lost his wife last month to Covid.They did a beautiful memorial to her on Zoom yesterday.The speaker gave a 30 minute talk and tribute and there was 1 scripture that really stood out that i would like to share.The memorial concluded with a beautiful song and prayer to Jehovah.
King Solomon brought it out in the book of Eccl.https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1977448
Gods people are so far ahead of their time in providing truth and comfort in this Satanic world.
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I like to say to forgive, to bless, to pray for others. :heart:
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Prov 27:11 Be wise my son and make my heart rejoice so i can make a reply to him that taunts me.
I have put this scripture up before.The Watchtower Society uses it quite a bit.Once you know what it means you can understand why it is used so much.
Satan caused much havoc in Eden and in the book of Job.He told Eve she wouldnt die if she ate from the Tree of Knowledge.Jehovah told her she would.Adam and her were not deprived of anything but by obeying Gods commandments they would show they loved and obeyed him as their rightful ruler.Of course we all know the result and they disobeyed and doomed the human race.
Then in book of Job Satan said to Jehovah man doesnt really love you.If i put him into poverty or hurt him physically he will curse you to your face.God allowed Satan to prove his point and failed miserably.Jobs integrity was True.Of course Jesus gave even a better witness proving faithful to everything Satan threw at him.
Now Prov 27:11 makes sense that Jehovah could make a reply to the devil and say,"You cant turn everyone away from me and i have many out there that love and obey me" when Satan taunts him.
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Are you writing on your subject title? It's ridiculously long and I do not read on subjects that is not necessary.
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Are you writing on your subject title? It's ridiculously long and I do not read on subjects that is not necessary.
Prov 14:3 The rod of haughtiness is in the mouth of the fool,
But the lips of the wise will protect them.
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Thanks a lot for sharing.
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Thanks a lot for sharing.
If this was meant for me,Thank you.
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Re Lent
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
I have to say that I say that about my son, but I don't believe there are any type of birthday parties or age in heaven. It (to me) simply means that he is spending another one of (what would be) his birthday in heaven. There is no age or time like we know here on earth up there.
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
I have to say that I say that about my son, but I don't believe there are any type of birthday parties or age in heaven. It (to me) simply means that he is spending another one of (what would be) his birthday in heaven. There is no age or time like we know here on earth up there.
Sarb,1st off im sorry you lost your son.
I dont know if you support the bible or not and it gives specifics RE death.
God told Adam at death he would go back to dust.
Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus he told others he was sleeping and he was going to awake him.When Lazarus came alive again he spoke of NO heaven/hell etc.That backs up Eccl 9:5 that the dead are conscience of nothing.
Jesus did speak of a resurrection that will take place from many who died in ignorance whenGods kingdom will start ruling the earth with Jesus as king from heaven.
There will be 144000 that WILL go to heaven and rule as kings with Jesus.The majority will live on earth as what was Gods intention when he created man.The bible says he created the earth to be inhabited forever and the righteous will live on it in peace without ever dying.
That should be your hope to see your son again.He is asleep and not aware of anything.Man is not immortal and have a living soul.When we die we dont exist anymore.Satan and Christendom have blinded the world with their false doctrines
If man had an immortal soul there would have been no reason for Jesus to die and ransom his life for what A&E did when they doomed the human race by disobeying.
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
I have to say that I say that about my son, but I don't believe there are any type of birthday parties or age in heaven. It (to me) simply means that he is spending another one of (what would be) his birthday in heaven. There is no age or time like we know here on earth up there.
Sarb,1st off im sorry you lost your son.
I dont know if you support the bible or not and it gives specifics RE death.
God told Adam at death he would go back to dust.
Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus he told others he was sleeping and he was going to awake him.When Lazarus came alive again he spoke of NO heaven/hell etc.That backs up Eccl 9:5 that that the dead are conscience of nothing.
Jesus did speak of a resurrection that will take place from many who died in ignorance whenGods kingdom will start ruling the earth with Jesus as king from heaven.
There will be 144000 that WILL go to heaven and rule as kings with Jesus.The majority will live on earth as what was Gods intention when he created man.The bible says he created the earth to be inhabited forever and the righteous will live on it in peace withour ever dying.
That should be your hope to see your son again.He is asleep and not aware of anything.Man is not immortal and have a living soul.When we die we dont exist anymore.Satan and Christendom have blinded the world with their false doctrines
If man had an immortal soul there would have been no reason for Jesus to die and ransom his life for what A&E did when they doomed the human race by disobeying.
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The bible also says that Jesus said no man has ever gone to heaven.He was the first to be resurrected and go there.
So where are all the zillions that died before Jesus came to earth?LOL!
Quite simple.....in the ground back to dust and not existing.They await the resurrection Jesus spoke of when Gods kingdom begins to rule the earth from heaven.It will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.Many that died in ignorance without knowing Gods purpose given a chance to know the truth and act on it or against it.
Mankind will be brought back to perfection as A&E once where and then there will be 1 final test when Satan and his angels from being abyssed for the 1000 yr rein of Jesus will be let loose and bring down many again to final destruction as the sands of the sea.All of this can be found in book of Revelation in bible.
The bible gives us a hope to be able to see our loved ones again in the resurrection.
You can see how blind Satan has caused many to think there are birthday parties in heaven.LOL!!First off fleshly bodies cannot inherit heaven.You need to be a spirit.
God told Moses no fleshly man can see me and live.If he created the universe can U imagine what he must look like?Even the Israelites told Moses please dont let him speak when the mountain rumbled.
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Prayer is NOT a ritual.
Jesus warned us NOT to repeat the same things over and over as they do when saying the rosary.He also said they do that with many words same ol same ol cos the nations think they will get a hearing then.
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Many like to be seen like the Pharisees when they prayed.Jesus said they are geting their reward in full when they do that.
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Re Lent
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/ (https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/)
NOT Lent = Donnamarg323's mistaken perceptions of it...
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Re Lent
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/ (https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/bible-fasting-christian/)
NOT Lent = Donnamarg323's mistaken perceptions of it...
Perceptions in agreement with what JW.org teaches.Mistaken?LOL!!!
I remind you Noah was a preacher and Jesus was a teacher.No one listened to Noah and they killed Jesus.
I also remind you when Babylon the Great falls Gods people will be attacked.I also remind you it will be like touchings Jehovahs eyeball.
I dont think thats not too hard to believe when you see how the JWs are being treated in Russia the last few yrs.Only the time the bible speaks of will be worldwide.
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
I have to say that I say that about my son, but I don't believe there are any type of birthday parties or age in heaven. It (to me) simply means that he is spending another one of (what would be) his birthday in heaven. There is no age or time like we know here on earth up there.
Sarb,1st off im sorry you lost your son.
I dont know if you support the bible or not and it gives specifics RE death.
God told Adam at death he would go back to dust.
Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus he told others he was sleeping and he was going to awake him.When Lazarus came alive again he spoke of NO heaven/hell etc.That backs up Eccl 9:5 that the dead are conscience of nothing.
Jesus did speak of a resurrection that will take place from many who died in ignorance whenGods kingdom will start ruling the earth with Jesus as king from heaven.
There will be 144000 that WILL go to heaven and rule as kings with Jesus.The majority will live on earth as what was Gods intention when he created man.The bible says he created the earth to be inhabited forever and the righteous will live on it in peace without ever dying.
That should be your hope to see your son again.He is asleep and not aware of anything.Man is not immortal and have a living soul.When we die we dont exist anymore.Satan and Christendom have blinded the world with their false doctrines
If man had an immortal soul there would have been no reason for Jesus to die and ransom his life for what A&E did when they doomed the human race by disobeying.
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Well I disagree with pretty much everything you said, but we each have the freedom to believe or not believe. I have read the bible through 20 times (the KJV) and most of what you are saying is taken out of context or simply not true in the bible. However, you are free to your own thoughts. God bless.
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This has been going on for quite awhile on Facebook.Family members or friends wishing their deceased loved ones "Happy heavenly birthday".
So i ask this question.Why would a loving God allow birthday parties in heaven and allow for 1000s of yrs the crap that goes on on this planet?
The bible DOES answer that question and its too bad Christendom doesnt answer it!!!
Jehovahs organization does!!!
I have to say that I say that about my son, but I don't believe there are any type of birthday parties or age in heaven. It (to me) simply means that he is spending another one of (what would be) his birthday in heaven. There is no age or time like we know here on earth up there.
Sarb,1st off im sorry you lost your son.
I dont know if you support the bible or not and it gives specifics RE death.
God told Adam at death he would go back to dust.
Before Jesus resurrected Lazarus he told others he was sleeping and he was going to awake him.When Lazarus came alive again he spoke of NO heaven/hell etc.That backs up Eccl 9:5 that the dead are conscience of nothing.
Jesus did speak of a resurrection that will take place from many who died in ignorance whenGods kingdom will start ruling the earth with Jesus as king from heaven.
There will be 144000 that WILL go to heaven and rule as kings with Jesus.The majority will live on earth as what was Gods intention when he created man.The bible says he created the earth to be inhabited forever and the righteous will live on it in peace without ever dying.
That should be your hope to see your son again.He is asleep and not aware of anything.Man is not immortal and have a living soul.When we die we dont exist anymore.Satan and Christendom have blinded the world with their false doctrines
If man had an immortal soul there would have been no reason for Jesus to die and ransom his life for what A&E did when they doomed the human race by disobeying.
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Well I disagree with pretty much everything you said, but we each have the freedom to believe or not believe. I have read the bible through 20 times (the KJV) and most of what you are saying is taken out of context or simply not true in the bible. However, you are free to your own thoughts. God bless.
Well if you have read the KJV,you obviously missed 20X Psalms 83:18.
That scripture tells us ALL Gods name is Jehovah!!!
If you go for a 21st time trying meditating what you read.
Eccl 9:5 the dead are conscience of nothing.
Adam went to dust.
Lazarus was asleep even tho he was dead.He spoke of no hell/heaven when Jesus resurrected him.
Out of context?LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
If i was Lazarus and was in heavenly bliss i woulda been mad at Jesus for resurrecting me.On the other hand if i was burning in hell i would bought Jesus a drink for saving me.
Any way you made your point you arent interested.
I meant well.
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Here is what the bible says in RE to how Jehovah feels about us all.
A sparrow falls to the ground and Gods knows about it.We are worth more then a sparrow.
The hairs of our head are numbered.
I also need to remind myself of those scriptures.
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However, you are free to your own thoughts. God bless.
The two most important parts of your reply, IMO.
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However, you are free to your own thoughts. God bless.
The two most important parts of your reply, IMO.
I hope you noticed she said she used KJV bible and i told her in Psalms 83:18 it gives Gods name Jehovah.
But we live in a world today where many even if shown the truth they wanna stand fast what they think is good/bad.
How do you read a bible 20X and NOT see Gods name in it?LOL!!!
Or read a few scriptures how Jehovah feels about blood and then put the onus on someone else?LOL!!
Or its like the Rottenhouse case.You show them how Jesus scolded Peter for drawing his sword and what he said that you will die if you use it,and then have praise for what Rottenhouse or General Macarthur did and the cherry on top is they are going to heaven....LOL!!
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I hope you noticed she said she used KJV bible and i told her in Psalms 83:18 it gives Gods name Jehovah.
I noticed the sentiment that you are entitled to your opinion and the hope that you received God's Blessings.
Have a great day today!
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I hope you noticed she said she used KJV bible and i told her in Psalms 83:18 it gives Gods name Jehovah.
I noticed the sentiment that you are entitled to your opinion and the hope that you received God's Blessings.
Have a great day today!
You won first prize in the dancing contest the way you danced around that.
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Awesome! BOTH of my daughters are/were excellent dancers and on their dance studio's competition teams. They got NONE of their talent from me, so anytime I can win anything related to dancing is a HUGE win for me!
:party: :highfive: :party: :highfive: :party:
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Awesome! BOTH of my daughters are/were excellent dancers and on their dance studio's competition teams. They got NONE of their talent from me, so anytime I can win anything related to dancing is a HUGE win for me!
:party: :highfive: :party: :highfive: :party:
This post will even get you 2nd prize.LOL!
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UGP,when you get a chance read Rev.21:3-4 and tell me what U think?
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https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/Why-We-Attend-the-Memorial/
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UGP,when you get a chance read Rev.21:3-4 and tell me what U think?
I don't know. What does it mean? I'm not up on the various interpretations of Revelation. 100% honesty here. I am not able to give well thought ideas on a single verse or two without context or other input.
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UGP,when you get a chance read Rev.21:3-4 and tell me what U think?
I don't know. What does it mean? I'm not up on the various interpretations of Revelation. 100% honesty here. I am not able to give well thought ideas on a single verse or two without context or other input.
I appreciate your honesty.
The JWs use the scripture as a message of hope how God cares and will soon put an end to the Satanic/manmade governments of this world and usher in the 1000 yr rein of Jesus and the kingdom for everyone <including the resurrection of the billions that have died without knowing>to decide if they are for or against it.Satan and his angels will be abyssed for the 1000 yrs and earth turned into a paradise under the rule of Jesus as mankind is turned into a perfect state without sin as A&E once were.After 1000 yrs are up there will be one final test when Satan and his angels are loosed again and the bible brings out they are successful as the sands of the sea in turning many away from Gods kingdom.Then Satan and all who follow him will be put out of existence.
Jehovahs right to rule the universe will be answered once and for all and his original purpose for the human race will come to pass.
Im sure if anyone challenges it again like Satan did they will be put out of existence immediately.Jesus died once for all time and God answered Satans challenge that rule apart from his doesnt work.
Its a lot more involved then what Christendom teaches today that you die and go to heaven or hell.LOL!!Doctrines of the devil that dont support bible truths.
Its like Christendoms doctrines teach that God wanted man to die and go to heaven or hell.Suppose A&E didnt sin?They woulda lived forever on earth with Jehovah as their rightful ruler.But we know Satan sinned and convinced A&E to do so as well bringing hardships and death.
Jehovahs name means "He causes to become".His purpose was to create man to live on the earth in peace under his rule in peace and it will be fulfilled even tho there was rebellion in Eden.
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For all you so-called supporters of the bible i have a question for you.
In the book of Genesis you can read because of the depravity and wickedness that went on in Sodom and Gomorrah,God destroyed them both.
This world we live in today makes those cities look angelic.I doubt very much Jehovah has changed.What makes anyone think he wont do the same to this world?
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For all you so-called supporters of the bible i have a question for you.
In the book of Genesis you can read because of the depravity and wickedness that went on in Sodom and Gomorrah,God destroyed them both.
This world we live in today makes those cities look angelic.I doubt very much Jehovah has changed.What makes anyone think he wont do the same to this world?
A zillion people know the words to the Our Father prayer and dont have a clue to what "Let your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven"means,or "Deliver us from the evil one"means.
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2 Peter 3:9
New International Version
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Exodus 9:15-17
15 For by now I could have thrust my hand out to strike you and your people with a devastating plague, and you would have been wiped out* from the earth. 16 But for this very reason I have kept you in existence: to show you my power and to have my name declared in all the earth.a 17 Are you still behaving arrogantly against my people by not sending them away?
I love these 2 scriptures.They tell us how patient Jehovah is and how he forgives.But it also tells us even his patience runs out.
Pharoah found out the hard way.So will this Satanic world.
Pride is before a crash, And a haughty spirit before stumbling. (Proverbs 16:18)
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Matthew 20:28
New International Version
28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Great scripture that shows WHY Jesus died.
Mankind needed that ransom after Adam disobeyed and doomed the human race in sin/death.
There is a hope for us what Jesus did.
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Today is Passover.Exactly 1989 yrs ag0,Jesus the begotten son of the TRUE God Jehovah was unjustly tried as a criminal,tortured,mocked and executed.
He told his 11 apostles after he dismissed Judas to "Keep remembering this day"cos he knew he would die as a ransom sacrifice for the human race and vindicate his fathers name as the TRUE God.
https://www.jw.org/en/
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Its been a few weeks since we posted ALWAYS instruction from the good book.Today i thought i would post a link from JW.org RE Satan.
Christendom doesnt speak very much of the enemy of Jehovah and many others.The bible is quite clear of his existence and what he is all about.
While mankind is capable of causing much of the evil in this world too,he has had much help from Satan and the many other angels that followed him.
With all that being said,the link is being provided from JW.org.The best place to learn Gods word.
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Satan
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I wonder how many of you can understand this.
While dying,suffering and in complete torment on the torture stake,Jesus cried out to his father,"Why have you forsaken me?"
Well have you ever had a bad toothache or pain that you would do anything to have relieved?
Jesus knew his father loved him and had faith in helping him endure what he was going thru.At that particular moment when he cried those words to his father the pain must have been unbearable.
Soon he died and was able to say,"It has been accomplished."
Point being here after Jesus dismissed Judas at The Last supper he told the other 11 apostles,"to keep doing this in remembering what he was about to go through.Even in the garden right before his arrest his sweating was unreal.
Christendom teaches the resurrection with Easter and clearly what led up to Jesus death and suffering is what Jesus wanted us to memorialize.
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8 Noah’s day prefigured our day. How do we know this? Well, Jesus foretold a similar time of violence, lawlessness, and lovelessness as part of “the sign” that we stand at the brink of a “great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” He also said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, . . . only the Father.” Then he added: “Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”—Matthew 24:3-21, 36-39.
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Something i dont think i have ever put up that was discussed at the JW meeting last night.
200 yrs before Babylon fell at the hands of Cyrus it was prophesized detail to detail how it would in the book of Isaiah.
Can you imagine?Cyrus wasnt even born yet and Jehovah inspired the prophet Isaiah in complete detail how and when it would happen.
ONLY God can predict the future when he wants to.
The bible also says that God hung the earth upon nothing.And yet NOT until Newton many thought it was either flat or on something.Plus bible tells us its round when many thought it was flat.
Lets NOT forget Jesus warning his followers right before he died when they saw Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem and then leave for no reason to flee from there.In 66CE Roman armies encamped around Jerusalem and then left unexpectedly.The sign to get out.Many did and were saved cos in 70 CE Jerusalem fell to the Romans.
It goes to show you what a GREAT loving God Jehovah is to his faithful followers.All the proof is right in his word.
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There used to be a former FC member who was a Born again Xtian who disputed a few things in the bible.I thought it would be beneficial to many on the answers.
I told him the Star of Bethlehem that the astrologers saw was put into the sky by Satan.He said NO way!The devil couldnt do that.Well ponder this.1 angel in the bible killed 185000 Assyrians.Quite a feat eh?Satan put Job thru tough tests with natural elements......wind,fire etc.
If you read the 2nd chapter of Math you will see the star took the astrologers to Jerusalem NOT Bethlehem where JM&J were.The murderous King Herod was in Jerusalem and he wanted to kill baby Jesus.When the astrologers left Jerusalem after Herod had lied to them that he also wanted to worship the child,the star moved again,RIGHT over where JM&J were.Of course an angel intervened and told Joseph to take Mary and Jesus to Egypt cos of Herods intentions and the angel also warned the astrologers NOT to return back to Herod.When Herod realized the astrologers werent coming back he had every 2 yr old boy killed in Bethlehem.
Math 2 explains fully.
Thinking of putting up nativity scene for Xmas?Now you might wanna think twice.
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This former FC member also disputed who the Nephilim were.
They were Giants that only added to the evil on the earth in Noahs day.
During that time angels were able to materialize and put on fleshly bodies.After they did that they had sex with all the good-looking woman on the earth and created that wicked offspring.God punished those angels for leaving their posts and doing that.The flood came and destroyed everyone,including the Nephilim.Only Noah and his family survived.The angels were able to de-materialize and go back to the spirit realm but Jehovah has put them into spiritual darkness and eventually they will be destroyed with Satan and the rest of his followers.
These accounts can be found in book of Genesis in the bible.
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I thought i heard that Biden and Pelosi may have disqualified themselves from receiving communion because of their support on abortion.
I have made mention that I support Jehovahs view on abortion and dont support either of them.
The funny thing here is if they are disqualified from receiving communion they not knowingly did themselves a favor....and that is NOT based on their support for abortion.
Hold your chat to yourself.Thats why i provided a link.READ IT!!
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20080401/The-Eucharist-The-Facts-Behind-the-Ritual/
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/lords-supper/
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Well, I'm not really into religion, but I do believe in tarot. And I even started learning more about different cards like two of swords meaning (https://www.kasamba.com/tarot-reading/decks/minor-arcana/two-of-swords-card) and so on, and I can tell you that it's just another way of finding a solution and coping with things. So I don't think there's much difference in something like that.
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Well, I'm not really into religion, but I do believe in tarot. And I even started learning more about different cards like two of swords meaning (https://www.kasamba.com/tarot-reading/decks/minor-arcana/two-of-swords-card) and so on, and I can tell you that it's just another way of finding a solution and coping with things. So I don't think there's much difference in something like that.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2018-may-jun/bible-about-astrology-fortune-tellers/
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink it.
Jesus said when you know the truth it sets you free from all the otherr crap Satan has thrown at this world that he rules.
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1 John 5:19, ESV: We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Convinced yet??????????
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The funny thing here is if they are disqualified from receiving communion they not knowingly did themselves a favor....and that is NOT based on their support for abortion.
The links you provided are absolute :bs:
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The funny thing here is if they are disqualified from receiving communion they not knowingly did themselves a favor....and that is NOT based on their support for abortion.
The links you provided are absolute :bs:
[/quote So is your Babylonish BS religeon!!
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That there are 1.2 billion of us on the planet would seem to suggest otherwise.
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That there are 1.2 billion of us on the planet would seem to suggest otherwise.
Math 7:13
Go in thru the narrow gate because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction,and many are going in through it,whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life,and few are finding it.
I remind you as i have said before,i dont know earths population in Noahs day.Noah warned the world of Gods judgement on a wicked world.Only 8 survived.
Babylon The Great consists NOT only of catholics.ALL of christendom is to be wiped out by Jehovah soon.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Revelation-Its-Grand-Climax-At-Hand/Babylon-the-Great-Has-Fallen/
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The bible......a book you can trust.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201105/seventh-world-power-bible-history/
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If you rent an apt i like to equate a loving God with a Good landlord.
When you first move in the LL tells you how much the rent is,when he expects it,if smoking or pets are permitted,parking and parties.
If you dont follow the rules you risk getting evicted.
Jehovah created us and the universe.He has the right to rule and set good and bad standards for us to live on earth.If we dont follow the rulz he evicts us and we dont exist anymore.
Pretty logical and simple.Christendom has blinded the world of a heaven/hell theory when you die that is a bunch of donkey dust.
Would God create us to die if he created us out of love in the first place.And with all the nonsense that has been going on on this planet since mans existence would a loving god be a part to that?
Now the bible does say that 144000 do go to heaven to be kings with Jesus.That is quite a low # when compared to the billions that will live forever on earth in peace under a righteous government.
Bottom line?Examine your religeon.
JW.org is a life saving site.
With proof God has allowed man and Satan to try and rule themselves apart from his rule.6000 yrs has proven it has failed.Soon he will interact and clean up the mess with Jesus and Gods kingdom.As the first bible prophecy says in Genesis,Gods seed <Jesus>will bruise the serpent <satan>in the head.A dealing blow that puts Satan out of his existence with all of his followers.
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Lets bring this to the top after we learned from the last meeting how Jehovah feels about idols,metal crosses,statues,rosary beads etc.
“I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, nor my praise to graven images.”—Isaiah 42:8, New World Translation.
It stands to reason if God created the universe and ALL thats in it,to be compared to any of those idols it would be quite insulting.
Remember he told Moses,"no man can see me and live".
Jesus said to worship God with spirit and truth.
You dont need idols to pray to Jehovah.Just let your prayer be in line with his commands and you can be anywheres when praying.Jesus said the Pharissees wanted to be seen when praying and Jesus said because of that they were getting their reward in full already.
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Jesus saves from what?
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015160
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ALL scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting matters straight.2nd Tim 3:16
This scripture tells us Jehovah is the author of the bible and used man to write it down.It also tells us the bible is truth and can instruct on ANY of lifes matters.
Rather than showing God to be responsible for mankind's woes, the Bible points to a major cause of them: “Man has dominated man to his injury.”—Ecclesiastes 8: 9
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Can be an Interesting article if it is believable, but not sure. So much of the Bible was written by man and can't always be believable. So many lies.
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Can be an Interesting article if it is believable, but not sure. So much of the Bible was written by man and can't always be believable. So many lies.
Go to the 14th reply of this topic and see what you wrote and then you write this?LOL!!!!
Go view history and see how MAN tried to destroy the bible but God would never allow that.
Its has been around for 1000s of yrs,translated into 1000s of languages.It has answered EVERY question RE life.It is the only truth we have RE Jesus life.It exposes how wickedness prevails in this world and how satan is behind it and controls christendom and politics.
In one breath you said the bible was refreshing,in your recent post you say man is the author and its full of lies.
I think theres a saying for this type of behavior.Wishy washy!!
Here is what you said in post 14........Having a Bible lesson can be so freeing and makes for a lot of clear thinking.
Maybe if you had that bible lesson from someone you might think before you write something.
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Donnamarg, have you left us? Haven't seen you post for awhile...
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Donnamarg, have you left us? Haven't seen you post for awhile...
Im still here UGP.As im sure you know i dont try to earn on FC and have used InBox to make some chump change and i enjoy playing spades in their game room.I play Wheel of Fortune too to a lesser extent.As a big fan of the card game Hearts i wanted to teach myself Spades and have done a pretty good job of it on InBox.
Of course im interested in what goes on in the world but have taken more heart to what the WB&TS tells us to remain neutral with political/religeous chats/debates.Its easier to discuss the bible when A sincere humble person wants to learn the truth.Over time in this forum we have put up enuff examples how we have backed JW.org up.Our imperfections still get the best of us still and when that happens to learn from them.
Big sports fan on Yankees and Judge hit # 60 tonight and great comeback win.In NFL Bears cant beat GB/Rodgers even tho glad they did beat SF 1st game.
Some health and personal issues in the family as most of us have in this world.
Again i am still surprised FC is still standing but i will continue to check in and add a post or two when i feel the need to and remind myself to try and behave.
I thank you for inquiring on myself even tho its only been a few wks.Try and stay safe in a tough world.
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Yes - I know that you don't put earning on FC as a high priority. So I was hoping that was part of the reason for your inactivity.
Your Yankees took it out on my lowly Pirates. Although to be honest, I haven't followed the Pirates in several years and barely recognize any of the names on their roster. If I still lived in the Pittsburgh media market, I would be watching their games pretty regularly. But when you don't live in their local market and they are consistently at the bottom of the league in talent - none of their games are broadcast nationally and the news coverage just isn't there to keep up with the players.
Thanks for the reply. We can disagree on politics and religion, but in the end we both want to leave a positive mark on society. Best of luck to you on that!
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In 1969 the song "IN the year 2525" came out.I liked the song but id like to comment on a couple of verses.Here they are.
In the year 7510
If God's a coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
Guess it's time for the judgment day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down, and start again
Using the bible,after A&E disobeyed in Eden from Satanic influence <serpent>im sure God wasnt pleased.BUT he didnt tear the human race down and start over again.
Satan raised the issue man would be better off governing himself apart from God.Time would be needed to test that.6000 yrs has passed and the answer is obvious it has failed.
But God also said to the serpent in Eden a seed <Jesus>would break up the works of rebellion and Gods original purpose of everlasting life on earth under a righteous government <Gods kingdom>would prevail.
Christendom hasnt taught that to mankind under the influence of the devil but it has been preached worldwide for over 100 yrs in NOW over 240 lands.
Many that died in ignorance without hearing this message will be resurrected after Jesus cleans up this system and be given a chance to hear the truth.
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Donnamarg323, I certainly admire your zeal. You have nine (9) pages of posts by mostly you. I find that remarkable.
I say this despite the fact that I've noticed my name dominating some areas of the website as well. I hope our contributions are valued, but I suppose it doesn't really matter since we have a forum to post on. At least we get our voice out there; for whatever that's worth. :notworthy:
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Can be an Interesting article if it is believable, but not sure. So much of the Bible was written by man and can't always be believable. So many lies.
Men whose words were inspired by God, my dear. I'm so sorry you don't believe in our divine creator. He's a really cool dude and he loves us all! Plus he cannot tell lies and did not allow lies to be put in His Word; the Bible. :angel11:
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Donnamarg323, I certainly admire your zeal. You have nine (9) pages of posts by mostly you. I find that remarkable.
I say this despite the fact that I've noticed my name dominating some areas of the website as well. I hope our contributions are valued, but I suppose it doesn't really matter since we have a forum to post on. At least we get our voice out there; for whatever that's worth. :notworthy:
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Thank you Linder,but the credit must really go to God and his organization.Its just a matter of me trying to concoct it.Dont forget the post was created 15 months ago as well.
I have no problems if any wanna comment and we keep it civilized.
You are very versatitle in the forum commenting on much stuff.I would think forum would be a lot busier if FC paid the members but it is what it is for now.We have been thanked by other members so im sure some of them appreciated what we wrote and vice versa.
As i mentioned in some posts i use Inboxdollars to make some chump change and play games in their game room.
Thanx for the post.
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Can be an Interesting article if it is believable, but not sure. So much of the Bible was written by man and can't always be believable. So many lies.
Men whose words were inspired by God, my dear. I'm so sorry you don't believe in our divine creator. He's a really cool dude and he loves us all! Plus he cannot tell lies and did not allow lies to be put in His Word; the Bible. :angel11:
We live in a time if you show proof of anything what truth is,many will still not care and still hold fast to what they wanna believe or just in plain english dont give a D*M!!
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Jesus birth-The Real story
Make sure you have your bible handy so you can follow along.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1998921