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Title: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 11, 2011, 04:48:32 am
Abortion is murder- Life begins at conception. We should celebrate life, not destroy it!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: srikesena on July 11, 2011, 06:11:27 am
Yep!! that is soooo true...I like your topic..thanx for posting it..
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: amyrouse on July 11, 2011, 08:37:17 am
Someone needs a lesson in terminology.  Abortion is actually a miscarriage.  Some terms for you:

Spontaneous abortion, Complete abortion, Incomplete abortion, Inevitable abortion, Infected (septic) abortion, Missed abortion.  These are all medical terms. People should really be careful with the words they throw around.  I had a missed abortion.  I am not a murderer.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: asalvato on July 11, 2011, 08:50:42 am
I may be personally opposed to abortion, but as a man, it is not my place to force a woman into a pregnancy or out of one.

I believe if the baby can exist outside of the womb, then the woman should not get an abortion.

Before the fetus could survive outside of it's mother, it is not murder.

Brainwave activity is the key, really. 
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 11, 2011, 02:51:25 pm
Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: vaa74mataia on July 11, 2011, 05:13:52 pm
killing an unborn is murder 100% truth. but it is what it is. it dont matter what word we "people" define abortion. :BangHead: :BangHead:

EX: handicap people aren't fully all their but they live and enjoy life... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: amyrouse on July 12, 2011, 10:45:25 pm
Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!

Try medical terminology.  Do a google search.  That was the terminology on my hospital release forms.  I know what a miscarriage is myself...I had one.  I am not sugarcoating anything: that's the truth.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 12, 2011, 10:52:37 pm
Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091


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Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: ict56 on July 12, 2011, 11:49:55 pm
Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091


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Abortion, politically incorrect, is legalized conspiracies committing premeditated murder on our unborn children! (LCCPMOOUC)

If you do a DNA test on the fetus which is Latin for baby, you will find out it is human. And humans in America have inalienable rights. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." (The declaration of independence)
Also, Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads, "Everyone has the right to LIFE, liberty, and security of person."

The definition of marriage used to be "the union between 1 man and 1 woman." (Old Dictionaries) They are changing the definitions of the the words of the English language. What will we be able to stand on later when the definitions are changing.

And what right will we have to tell our children and other countries what's right and wrong if we continue to kill our unborn children? :sad1:

Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thedementedpianist on July 13, 2011, 01:01:07 am
Lol at this topic. My view points are the same as asalvato's. Besides the people who are pro-life and show the pictures of dead 'babies' are always showing late term abortions and I've yet to find a pro-choice person who approves of late term. Then they try to use religion which of course makes the argument automatically invalid...
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: DanielKorycki on July 13, 2011, 06:45:04 am
I've yet to find a pro-choice person who approves of late term.

Just out of curiosity, if nobody approves of late term, why do they still do them? I suppose the initial question would have to be: do they still do late-term abortions? And if so, then why, if no one approves of them?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: jordandog on July 13, 2011, 08:28:58 am
@thomassina: Get off your soapbox and step down from that high horse you are sitting on so smugly. A miscarriage is indeed an abortion, because the fetus is not viable outside the womb, and subcategorized as spontaneous, as others have already written. If you want to condemn people, get your facts straight. I've had my medical license for almost 30 years now. How long have you had your's? ::)
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: hagancouple on July 13, 2011, 09:41:13 am
yes it is if they dont want to have a baby at least they should take some birth control and not just kill the innocent angel on there belly :(
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: asalvato on July 13, 2011, 11:32:54 am
Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091


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Abortion, politically incorrect, is legalized conspiracies committing premeditated murder on our unborn children! (LCCPMOOUC)

If you do a DNA test on the fetus which is Latin for baby, you will find out it is human. And humans in America have inalienable rights. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." (The declaration of independence)
Also, Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads, "Everyone has the right to LIFE, liberty, and security of person."

The definition of marriage used to be "the union between 1 man and 1 woman." (Old Dictionaries) They are changing the definitions of the the words of the English language. What will we be able to stand on later when the definitions are changing.

And what right will we have to tell our children and other countries what's right and wrong if we continue to kill our unborn children? :sad1:



Obviously if people are educated then there would be less unwanted pregnancies and therefore less abortions.  But usually the people who preach about abortion being murder also completely gut education. 

You talk about life and liberty here, then maybe allowing equal rights regarding marriage would be in the best interest of liberty.

but you'll only throw out our founding Father's words when it suits your own beliefs.  There is a word for someone like you, it is bigot.  You proved yourself to be one when you showed your hand about your belief in marriage. 

And you made me spit out my water laughing.  You mean..a HUMAN fetus...has HUMAN DNA??  I thought we had dinosaur DNA until we came out of the womb!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: swkstudent on July 13, 2011, 02:01:02 pm
I don't agree with abortions...I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: vmcutshall on July 13, 2011, 05:01:58 pm
This is another one of those topics that ends up in mud slinging instead of everyone just saying yes or no. My daughter-in-law had an abortion and it was the hardest decision she had to make. The doctor told her that the baby because of the medicine she was on at the time of conception and that she took during her first few weeks of her pregnancy had caused severe damage to the fetus. They ran a battery of test on her and the baby. I supported her in her decision because my son was not present at the time to do so. But I really do not believe in abortion. It would have to be an extreme case like hers before I would.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 14, 2011, 06:22:59 pm
@ jordandog- I don't have a medical license, I have a conscience. And is your license the subject? No!  And I don't have any malpractice suits either. The octamom's doctor had a license too; so what's your point? I'm sure you can start a new blog and talk about your so called "license" with other doctors, but I guess they're too busy working on their patients and not blogging!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 14, 2011, 06:37:07 pm
Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2091


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Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: constance312003 on July 14, 2011, 06:38:31 pm
Abortion is murder-life begins at conception
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: mx3madman on July 14, 2011, 06:47:25 pm
I do not believe in the subject.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: geniseboswell on July 15, 2011, 03:57:16 am
yes it is any time you kill someone that is murder no matters what the age is
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: nicole2011 on July 17, 2011, 12:02:20 pm
Well if you cant handle having the childvthen do it but yes i dont belive in it at all....
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: chii2 on July 17, 2011, 05:41:52 pm
To me I think since im still not that old, if you get pregnant at a young age abortion would be a good option or you could keep the child and have htem adopted IF your in a situation where you are unable to take care of the child as you are not financially stable cuz to me even though I would want to keep the child but in reality I would not have the financial support to do that because my parents told me that if i get pregnant im out of the house and I only have a few relatives here in canada since im an immigrant. Well that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: blackish0t on July 17, 2011, 07:29:01 pm
I've yet to find a pro-choice person who approves of late term.

Just out of curiosity, if nobody approves of late term, why do they still do them? I suppose the initial question would have to be: do they still do late-term abortions? And if so, then why, if no one approves of them?

I believe that they do still do them, or atleast did a few years ago because I had an acquaintance that had one. My views on this are kind of confusing. First off, I have had an abortion. Still, I am against them. It is really easy for someone to say "I don't think that abortion is right unless the mother is raped, the mother would die, etc" which are my views, but when you're put in the position where you have to decide how you're going to be able to take care of a baby inside your womb and outside your womb, it gets scary and complicated. If you can't take care of yourself, there's no way that you can take care of a baby in your womb. I feel sad about doing that every single day, but at the time, it was the "best", but hardest decision for me. As I said, I think that abortion is wrong, except in special circumstances, but I don't believe that it should be illegal because its not my place to tell someone else that they have to have a baby, just like its not anyone's place to say that a man and a man shouldn't get married. We're supposed to be about freedom, so illegalizing something that is supposed to be a choice is the exact opposite of freedom. What bothers me is that people bring religion into the debate. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

I don't really believe that education has anything to do with it. From 4th grade and on I was educated about safe sex. Sometimes things happen that you can't control- in this case I was on BC and he had a condom and both failed.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: constance312003 on July 17, 2011, 08:42:49 pm
It is good to hear so many are against abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: srikesena on July 19, 2011, 03:02:32 am
@AMYROUSE..I am deeply sorry, I wasn't thinking deeper when I posted my comment..I am so sorry..I didn't mean to hurt your feelings..so so sorry...

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Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tzs on July 20, 2011, 02:57:04 am
Abortion is murder- Life begins at conception. We should celebrate life, not destroy it!
Abortion is a choice left up to the individual female and male involved, you should respect others privacy and let them decide on their own instead of making the choice for them.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 21, 2011, 06:29:56 am
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: jordandog on July 21, 2011, 11:08:07 am
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: trucktina on July 21, 2011, 11:22:58 am
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What bothers me is that people bring religion into the debate. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.



The separation of church and state has to do with protecting our religious freedom FROM the government. It has nothing to do with people's opinions about abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: amrapali on July 21, 2011, 02:33:30 pm
abortion with no critical reason is a murder..
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 21, 2011, 04:47:29 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 21, 2011, 05:04:01 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

Your thinking is hilarious. To think terrorism, disease, and stock market crashes would have been prevented had no one had abortions is just "Nutty".  Whose to say had those babies not been aborted they could have ended up as terroists, murderer's, or evil people. You are getting way off track on your beliefs on whether you agree with abortion or not. You can't predict the future or people's paths on whether they have an abortion or not. With your way of thinking it makes me wonder if the next time I *bleep* I might be flushing away the future curer of cancer, president, or world humanitarian. I'm not that special maybe just a mailman or department store clerk.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 21, 2011, 05:14:03 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

Your thinking is hilarious. To think terrorism, disease, and stock market crashes would have been prevented had no one had abortions is just "Nutty".  Whose to say had those babies not been aborted they could have ended up as terroists, murderer's, or evil people. You are getting way off track on your beliefs on whether you agree with abortion or not. You can't predict the future or people's paths on whether they have an abortion or not. With your way of thinking it makes me wonder if the next time I *bleep* I might be flushing away the future curer of cancer, president, or world humanitarian. I'm not that special maybe just a mailman or department store clerk.
Well I wont even respond to your nasty thoughts about maturbation, I hope I'm not speaking to a sex offender. If you don't have anything educational to say get your filthy mind and nasty thoughts off this site. Go register yourself as a sex offender you perverted lunatic and keep your hands off our children!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: walksalone11 on July 21, 2011, 05:52:23 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.
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Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 21, 2011, 08:04:52 pm
I haven't heard you say anything educational so it looks like my response is right at par with your posts. Thanks for playing grumpy.   :wave:
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 05:09:29 am
No, you played yourself, nasty!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: jordandog on July 22, 2011, 09:02:25 am
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: dreamyxo on July 22, 2011, 10:27:08 am
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 10:30:16 am
It's not murder if it was done before the embryo has developed a brain that can think and a heart that beats. Millions of cells multiplying at a rate of once per 20 minutes or so doesn't necessarily mean that it's alive. Just as the cells that multiply and divide that form the placental tube aren't alive; and there are BILLIONS of those at the time of pregnancy.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: walksalone11 on July 22, 2011, 01:49:03 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
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Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: xavvier77 on July 22, 2011, 02:22:00 pm
i disagree
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 02:36:56 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
The subject is abortion, and you did type that you aborted a 5month old. You can't even remember what you wrote, and you say you know how to read, you sure fooled me. You are illiterate since you can't keep up with the subject and you cant remember what you typed. Abortion is murder and a miscarriage happens without warning,Which one was it? so don't call names.Because what you called me is totally describing you. Don't get mad get educated.I am brutally honest.  
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 02:41:09 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
The subject is abortion, and you did type that you aborted a 5month old. You can't even remember what you wrote, and you say you know how to read, you sure fooled me. You are illiterate since you can't keep up with the subject and you cant remember what you typed. Abortion is murder and a miscarriage happens without warning,Which one was it? so don't call names.Because what you called me is totally describing you. Don't get mad get educated.I am brutally honest.  

Medically, a spontaneous abortion (which is a type of abortion - hence the latter word in the phrase 'abortion) is, in fact, a miscarriage. It's SPONTANEOUS. You should go back and re-read her post thirty more times, or at least until you get to the point of understanding the message.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 02:45:43 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 02:48:49 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 02:55:43 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
The subject is abortion, and you did type that you aborted a 5month old. You can't even remember what you wrote, and you say you know how to read, you sure fooled me. You are illiterate since you can't keep up with the subject and you cant remember what you typed. Abortion is murder and a miscarriage happens without warning,Which one was it? so don't call names.Because what you called me is totally describing you. Don't get mad get educated.I am brutally honest.  

Medically, a spontaneous abortion (which is a type of abortion - hence the latter word in the phrase 'abortion) is, in fact, a miscarriage. It's SPONTANEOUS. You should go back and re-read her post thirty more times, or at least until you get to the point of understanding the message.
My mom had a miscarriage, the baby just died while it was in the womb and she was very saddened by it. She didn't go to a doctor and have a living baby taken out of her. My mom would not let a doctor convince her that she had an abortion. Because that would be a lie! We tell it like it is!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 02:59:45 pm
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God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country.

That is one of the most idiotic, unfounded, and delusional things I have ever seen or heard. You are beyond naive and really need to educate yourself.

To think the baby I 'aborted' via a miscarriage at 5+ months could have saved the country....wow. You actually believe your God had a plan to protect this country? I guess the rest of the countries in the world are just sh*t outta luck, abortions or no abortions, eh? Once again I am soooo thankful not all 'believers' are as screwed up in their thinking as you are. :confused1:
I'm not screwed up you are a murderer if you aborted a baby. Who's the screw up now? Go suck your big toe! You are part of the holocaust that is exterminating babies and you call me screwed up. Get yourself educated! And God does has a plan read Jeremiah 29:11, that is if you can read.

You have the nerve to ask if I can read? Hmm, I did NOT abort a baby you idiot, read what I actually wrote ie I had a miscarriage at 5+ months. As was pointed out to you earlier on this thread, a miscarriage is defined as a type of abortion ie a spontaneous abortion. You are screwed up and now, after reading more of your replies in this thread, I am certain it is NOT just your ignorance about this topic. Maybe you should "get yourself educated" - I have plenty of education thank you and, unlike you, I am always open to learning more whenever the opportunity presents itself.
The subject is abortion, and you did type that you aborted a 5month old. You can't even remember what you wrote, and you say you know how to read, you sure fooled me. You are illiterate since you can't keep up with the subject and you cant remember what you typed. Abortion is murder and a miscarriage happens without warning,Which one was it? so don't call names.Because what you called me is totally describing you. Don't get mad get educated.I am brutally honest.  

Medically, a spontaneous abortion (which is a type of abortion - hence the latter word in the phrase 'abortion) is, in fact, a miscarriage. It's SPONTANEOUS. You should go back and re-read her post thirty more times, or at least until you get to the point of understanding the message.
My mom had a miscarriage, the baby just died while it was in the womb and she was very saddened by it. She didn't go to a doctor and have a living baby taken out of her. My mom would not let a doctor convince her that she had an abortion. Because that would be a lie! We tell it like it is!

My great-grandma had a miscarriage. My forensic teacher had 8 miscarriages because she has an oddly shaped womb. I'm not sure if you know what a synonym is, but the synonym for a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, which means it just dies naturally in the womb because maybe something damaged the mother or the living environment within her. You don't have to go to the doctor to get a miscarriage, just as you don't go to the doctor to get a spontaneous abortion. Why? Because they're the same thing, just with different names. You know, like yams and potatoes are the same things? Or flesh-colored and peachy are the same color? The general population who is talking about abortion being murder is the unnatural abortion, which excludes spontaneous abortion because it's just medical term (fancier term) for miscarriage.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 03:02:39 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
That's from the movie the lion king, I like that movie too, but we're in the real world now. God never makes a mistake, if a baby is in your womb, that child is meant to be. There is a purpose for everything under the sun.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 03:04:20 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
That's from the movie the lion king, I like that movie too, but we're in the real world now. God never makes a mistake, if a baby is in your womb, that child is meant to be. There is a purpose for everything under the sun.

I didn't even know that it was from a movie, and I've never seen The Lion King. He never makes a mistake, but he does make balance, doesn't he? If he doesn't, then why do people die? Why did He create Satan? Why are land and water necessary to separate?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 03:10:01 pm
The subject is abortion. I'm not talking about anything spontaneous, I don't know why people are adding words. Read the subject-abortion! It's only one word. People please count and read!! You're making me teach up on this site. But that's all good maybe you'll learn a little bit more info.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 03:11:15 pm
The subject is abortion. I'm not talking about anything spontaneous, I don't know why people are adding words. Read the subject-abortion! It's only one word. People please count and read!! You're making me teach up on this site. But that's all good maybe you'll learn a little bit more info.
There are several types of abortions. There are several types of potatoes. You are debating on one standpoint, as others are debating on another.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 03:12:56 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
That's from the movie the lion king, I like that movie too, but we're in the real world now. God never makes a mistake, if a baby is in your womb, that child is meant to be. There is a purpose for everything under the sun.

I didn't even know that it was from a movie, and I've never seen The Lion King. He never makes a mistake, but he does make balance, doesn't he? If he doesn't, then why do people die? Why did He create Satan? Why are land and water necessary to separate?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 03:23:56 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems. 

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world. 
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
That's from the movie the lion king, I like that movie too, but we're in the real world now. God never makes a mistake, if a baby is in your womb, that child is meant to be. There is a purpose for everything under the sun.

I didn't even know that it was from a movie, and I've never seen The Lion King. He never makes a mistake, but he does make balance, doesn't he? If he doesn't, then why do people die? Why did He create Satan? Why are land and water necessary to separate?
No way is killing an innocent child part of His balance. I worship Jehovah. Satan was an angel who tried to be God, but God kicked Him out of Heaven and He's going on a killing rampage here on earth because he has only a short time to deceive who he can.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 04:27:22 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we never did an abortion in this country, all those children would have been alive to invent a cure for some of the major diseases in this world, or prevent terrorists from attacking,or prevented the stock market crash, or stopped some or maybe all of the tragedies this country has suffered. God has a plan for everyone's life and by abortion we have aborted God's plan to protect this country. We even now have taken God out of the schools and now schools are like a war zone. When will this country ever learn?

The Holocoust would have never have happened had Hitler been aborted, 911 had Hussain been aborted.  The opposite can also be true.  Abortion would have been a good thing in this case.  It would have prevented two evil people who killed millions of people and caused great havoc from being born.  Sure there are others who could take their place and just as whoever is alive now or will be born could have the answer for all of the worlds problems.  

If "God" has a plan you don't think "God" planned abortion too?  You'd think "God" would not have allowed man to have the technology or the know how to make abortion possible.  People have been aborted since humans have been on the planet.  You can say it's wrong or murder all you want there's nothing you can do to stop it.  Why don't you convince all those women not to get abortions so you can adopt all those unwanted children.  That would really be doing some good for the world.  
God created life, so why would He try to destroy it. The devil comes to kill steal and destroy! Don't blame God,don't let the devil get you twisted. After he plays around with you, he'll destroy you. I pray and God answered my prayer when the abortion clinic in my town closed down. And no child is unwanted because God lovingly knitted that child while it was in the womb. Only wicked people would call a child unwanted.

God created a balance in life. It's why there's life and death, angels and Satan, Heaven and Hell, land and water. If the child isn't meant to be, then it's not meant to be. Yes, some of them are human errors, but some are also already planned by God. The point is: balance.
That's from the movie the lion king, I like that movie too, but we're in the real world now. God never makes a mistake, if a baby is in your womb, that child is meant to be. There is a purpose for everything under the sun.

I didn't even know that it was from a movie, and I've never seen The Lion King. He never makes a mistake, but he does make balance, doesn't he? If he doesn't, then why do people die? Why did He create Satan? Why are land and water necessary to separate?
No way is killing an innocent child part of His balance. I worship Jehovah. Satan was an angel who tried to be God, but God kicked Him out of Heaven and He's going on a killing rampage here on earth because he has only a short time to deceive who he can.

So, according to your view, death shouldn't happen, right? If you insist, then okay. I, by any means, can't tell you what exists and what doesn't.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 22, 2011, 05:00:26 pm
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 22, 2011, 05:02:22 pm
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: footemama on July 23, 2011, 12:56:51 pm
Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!

Stedman's Medical Dictationary: (copied verbatim)

Abortion: Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation or fetal weight less that 500 grams). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those that are born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).

Miscarriage: Layperson's term for spontaneous expulsion of the products of pregnancy before the middle of the second trimester; no longer acceptable clinical usage. SYN spontaneous abortion.

Also when a doctor dictates a woman's pregnancy history s/he uses something called the G/TPAL system.

G= number of times pregnant
T= number of term births
P= number of premature births
A= number of abortions (spontaneous or induced)
L= number of living children

And as someone else said there are a number of separate definitions applying to abortion including special terms for ectopic pregnancies (aka implantation of the fetus outside of the uterus).
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 23, 2011, 03:32:13 pm
Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!

Stedman's Medical Dictationary: (copied verbatim)

Abortion: Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation or fetal weight less that 500 grams). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those that are born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).

Miscarriage: Layperson's term for spontaneous expulsion of the products of pregnancy before the middle of the second trimester; no longer acceptable clinical usage. SYN spontaneous abortion.

Also when a doctor dictates a woman's pregnancy history s/he uses something called the G/TPAL system.

G= number of times pregnant
T= number of term births
P= number of premature births
A= number of abortions (spontaneous or induced)
L= number of living children

And as someone else said there are a number of separate definitions applying to abortion including special terms for ectopic pregnancies (aka implantation of the fetus outside of the uterus).

Darling, he doesn't know what a synonym is. I told him that miscarriage = spontaneous abortion, but he thinks just because the latter word of the phrase is "abortion," it's ungodly...
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: lynnc35 on July 23, 2011, 09:49:40 pm
The Bible pretty much tells us this when we really understand it. Again, all who do not repent and ask for forgiveness will be judged, not by us, not by others, but by God. Stand up for what is right, try to make a different, dont' hate the sinner, hate the sin and pray for those that do it, to know God, and turn their life around.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: footemama on July 24, 2011, 12:39:07 pm
Abortion is not a miscarriage, don't try to sugar coat the truth. I think it's you who needs a lesson in terminology- Abortion means an induced termination of pregnancy, any fatally premature expulsion of an embryo from the womb- defined from the American Heritage Dictionary of the english language. I know what a miscarriage is and it is not abortion!!

Stedman's Medical Dictationary: (copied verbatim)

Abortion: Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation or fetal weight less that 500 grams). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those that are born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).

Miscarriage: Layperson's term for spontaneous expulsion of the products of pregnancy before the middle of the second trimester; no longer acceptable clinical usage. SYN spontaneous abortion.

Also when a doctor dictates a woman's pregnancy history s/he uses something called the G/TPAL system.

G= number of times pregnant
T= number of term births
P= number of premature births
A= number of abortions (spontaneous or induced)
L= number of living children

And as someone else said there are a number of separate definitions applying to abortion including special terms for ectopic pregnancies (aka implantation of the fetus outside of the uterus).

Darling, he doesn't know what a synonym is. I told him that miscarriage = spontaneous abortion, but he thinks just because the latter word of the phrase is "abortion," it's ungodly...

LOL I thought of altering the synonym part so that it was a little more clear. Like See spontaneous abortion. But I did say copied verbatim so I left it as it was in the dictionary. But it does say further up that spontaneous abortion is due to natural causes. The G/TPALs can be kind of sad in the case of still births and a little confusing in the case of twins but it gets the point across since "miscarriages" are not listed. If you didn't have a term birth or a premature birth you had an abortion. End of story. Medically anyway.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tljones82 on July 24, 2011, 12:55:28 pm
There are several reasons why people have abortions, it doesn't make it right or wrong. It's between you and God for the decisions you have to make in life and anyone can have an opinion about it. If you were in the person situation and knowing what they are going through and the decision they have to make then you would think differently, such as rape for instance.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: dreamyxo on July 24, 2011, 02:29:53 pm
There are several reasons why people have abortions, it doesn't make it right or wrong. It's between you and God for the decisions you have to make in life and anyone can have an opinion about it. If you were in the person situation and knowing what they are going through and the decision they have to make then you would think differently, such as rape for instance.

The problem is that people always have the need to tell other people how they should live their lives when they should be worried about their own business.  People have their own opinions which is all well and good but just because you (in the general sense not you personally) wouldn't do something doesn't mean no one else should either.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 24, 2011, 04:40:23 pm
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?
THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 25, 2011, 10:23:35 am
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?
THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

You don't want to discuss the fact that there are different types of abortion? Why did you open up a thread about abortion?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: shanegray on July 25, 2011, 10:20:35 pm
no one has the right to play god you cant take someones life for no reason thats murder even if u have a reason
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 26, 2011, 05:26:26 pm
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?
THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

You don't want to discuss the fact that there are different types of abortion? Why did you open up a thread about abortion?
I started a thread about abortion because there is only one type of abortion. If I was making a white wedding dress I wouldn't put green thread on my dress just because it was thread. I stick to the one true thread. A miscarriage is a miscarriage, a birth is a birth an abortion is an abortion. Got it? Or do I need to explain further. A car is a car. You wouldn't call a car a spontaneous car or people would look at you like you were crazy. The same thing if a medical form asked you to list how many abortions or miscarriages you had, where would you list the spontaneous abortions? You couldn't do it because it's not listed; as rings true for me. I never had a medical form that asked how many spontaneous abortions I had because it would be confusing to most people. I guess only double talking states list this option. You could put a patient's life in danger by confusing them like this.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 26, 2011, 06:50:07 pm
If you were making a wedding dress would it be an A-Line Princess, Empire, Column, Ball Gown, or Mermaid style of wedding dress?  There are more then one type. How about a car. Are you talking about a 4-door sedan, 2-door coupe, station wagon, convertible, sports car, mini van, SUV, pickup, van, hydrid, crossover, etc, etc,. Again there are many types of "cars" .

As many people have ALREADY pointed out to you there are different types of abortions recognized by the medical community and people in general. (excluding you apparently).

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not medical abortions or surgical abortions.

Other terms for the early loss of pregnancy include:

Complete abortion: All of the products of conception exit the body
Incomplete abortion: Only some of the products of conception exit the body
Inevitable abortion: The symptoms cannot be stopped, and a miscarriage will happen
Infected (septic) abortion: The lining of the womb, or uterus, and any remaining products of conception become infected 
Missed abortion: The pregnancy is lost and the products of conception do not exit the body

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/

If you wanted to debate if abortion is murder then YOU SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED which one you are speaking of. It is obvious you are refering to the two INDUCED abortions:

Medical abortion: A medical abortion is a type of non-surgical abortion in which abortifacient pharmaceutical drugs are used to induce abortion.

and/or

Surgical Abortion: A surgical abortion is an abortion where surgery is done to end the pregnancy.

If I was going to debate if eating meat was good or bad, I would expect those participating to bring the different types of meat to the conversation and debate it. Are we talking about beef, chicken, pork, lamb, fish, etc.??

You made a general statement that says "Abortion is Murder" and that is FALSE when looking at the types that are out of one's control or choice.

If you are too dense to grasp that there are diffrent types I challenge you to call your doctor and ask him or her. We all are not making this up. It is a FACT that there are different types whether you can understand this or not.

Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 26, 2011, 10:05:28 pm
If you were making a wedding dress would it be an A-Line Princess, Empire, Column, Ball Gown, or Mermaid style of wedding dress?  There are more then one type. How about a car. Are you talking about a 4-door sedan, 2-door coupe, station wagon, convertible, sports car, mini van, SUV, pickup, van, hydrid, crossover, etc, etc,. Again there are many types of "cars" .

As many people have ALREADY pointed out to you there are different types of abortions recognized by the medical community and people in general. (excluding you apparently).

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not medical abortions or surgical abortions.

Other terms for the early loss of pregnancy include:

Complete abortion: All of the products of conception exit the body
Incomplete abortion: Only some of the products of conception exit the body
Inevitable abortion: The symptoms cannot be stopped, and a miscarriage will happen
Infected (septic) abortion: The lining of the womb, or uterus, and any remaining products of conception become infected 
Missed abortion: The pregnancy is lost and the products of conception do not exit the body

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/

If you wanted to debate if abortion is murder then YOU SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED which one you are speaking of. It is obvious you are refering to the two INDUCED abortions:

Medical abortion: A medical abortion is a type of non-surgical abortion in which abortifacient pharmaceutical drugs are used to induce abortion.

and/or

Surgical Abortion: A surgical abortion is an abortion where surgery is done to end the pregnancy.

If I was going to debate if eating meat was good or bad, I would expect those participating to bring the different types of meat to the conversation and debate it. Are we talking about beef, chicken, pork, lamb, fish, etc.??

You made a general statement that says "Abortion is Murder" and that is FALSE when looking at the types that are out of one's control or choice.

If you are too dense to grasp that there are diffrent types I challenge you to call your doctor and ask him or her. We all are not making this up. It is a FACT that there are different types whether you can understand this or not.


If you weren't so caught up in your masturbation you would have known I was just talking about the regular "abortion" and I don't know why I'm talking to you. Continue on with your masturbation you freak and learn how to spell hybrid do-do!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 26, 2011, 11:29:09 pm
LOL. You are a grumpy woman. Perhaps you need to satisfy yourself to cheer you up and dislodge that stick up your *bleep*.  According to you there is only ONE type of abortion and have argued with many people on this thread about it. You changing your story now and acknowledging you were WRONG? You just said I should have known WHICH one. I thought there was only ONE kind??

Thanks for pointing out my 1 letter misspelling error. You know it is a pet peeve of mine. I will leave it as is just to amuse you but I'm sure you have no sense of humor either.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: amyrouse on July 27, 2011, 09:05:49 am
There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 27, 2011, 09:30:43 am
There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!
Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on July 27, 2011, 09:06:37 pm
Is she still rambling on?....LOL


http://soundfxcenter.com/television/charlie-brown/a6274d_Charlie_Brown_Teacher_Sound_Effect.mp3
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on July 28, 2011, 08:09:20 pm
There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!
Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

But see, that's the thing, there isn't just one type of abortion. There are several types. You keep missing that, and I don't know why. I have ADHD, and I got it the first time it was mentioned in this thread and in class.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: amyrouse on July 30, 2011, 08:35:01 pm
There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!
Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

But see, that's the thing, there isn't just one type of abortion. There are several types. You keep missing that, and I don't know why. I have ADHD, and I got it the first time it was mentioned in this thread and in class.

Tartarsauce2008, thomassina doesn't keep missing it but ignoring it like the big red hen in the middle of the room.  Its because if she admits that she might be wrong about there being more than one type of abortion that she may be wrong about other things.  Lord help people like that, because if they could be wrong about something, how in the world could they sleep at night?  I guess self perception is more important than truth.  I see it quite often.  Honestly, I feel sorry for her.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: mynevaeh on July 31, 2011, 11:18:52 am
I personally do not approve of abortions as a mother of 1 whom was actually unable to conceive.  I was granted my miracle baby after many years of suffering and trying.  I just have absolutely no respect for people that are so quick to kill an unborn child just because they are so irresponsible to use protection or remain abstenance.  Stop taking (innocent) LIFE for GRANTED!  :angel11:
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: thomassina on July 31, 2011, 11:49:44 am
God bless you and your miracle baby. I too love children, and will do anything to protect them. I guess that's why I'm so opposed to abortion. I worked with autistic children and they filled my heart with joy. Some could barely speak and then I see them talking towards the end of the year, I am so proud of them. I also applaud the parents who dedicate so much time to caring for their children. You are truly blessed!!! :wave:
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: letilebron on July 31, 2011, 12:23:38 pm
I agree that abortion is murder! for those of u who have'nt seen an abortion, look in to it... its a horrible seen...i saw on TV.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: walksalone11 on July 31, 2011, 02:26:18 pm
There are some people that are only happy when they are causing a fuss.  They are sometimes called trolls on the internet.  I believe we have us one here.

Poor little thomassina, everyone picking on her because she has reading comprehension issues.  Abortion is abortion, whether it was induced or natural.  Poor little thomassina needed five pages of debate to learn this.  I wonder how much longer it will take to convince her that her hateful viewpoint only makes things worse in this world. 

I do have to say, though, it was quite amusing to see her target Jdog and to see her put in her place.  I miss ya, Jdog!
Don't put yourself down. Don't call yourself a troll. I'm sure you're not too poor! Give yourself a smile amyrouse, because roe V. wade is being overturned. Now what abortion are they talking about overturning? Like I said there's only one type of abortion otherwise why would people try to make laws against it? SLAM DUNK! How can you outlaw a miscarriage? I'm for life, but I guess those so intrigued by death will make up so many excuses for their evil thoughts. But' HEY' to those who are opposed to abortion, those who know what I'm talking about!!

But see, that's the thing, there isn't just one type of abortion. There are several types. You keep missing that, and I don't know why. I have ADHD, and I got it the first time it was mentioned in this thread and in class.

Tartarsauce2008, thomassina doesn't keep missing it but ignoring it like the big red hen in the middle of the room.  Its because if she admits that she might be wrong about there being more than one type of abortion that she may be wrong about other things.  Lord help people like that, because if they could be wrong about something, how in the world could they sleep at night?  I guess self perception is more important than truth.  I see it quite often.  Honestly, I feel sorry for her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXdQ298jbc
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tazdad777 on July 31, 2011, 06:54:29 pm
I agree with you 110% This world gets more upset at the mistreatment of animals than they do of babies and children. Don't get me wrong I love animals, but I put human life above any animal at any time, and I have 2 dogs whom I love very much.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: vmi1991 on July 31, 2011, 11:47:54 pm
can someone explain the dichotomy of law allowign one to rip a fetus from the womb but as soon as birth occurs the baby must me cocooned inthe car ? I mean rear facing infant seats until, car seats until 60 pounds, booster seats until 10 and 80 pounds? What next, bubble wrap them on the playground until age 20?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: candygyrl79 on August 01, 2011, 04:42:44 pm
I do feel that the type of abortion where the mother goes in and has a procedure done to end her pregnancy, is murder. No child asks to come into this world. There are so many types of birth control on the market, this should be a very small problem.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: sarabtrayior on August 01, 2011, 04:44:57 pm
Abortions done as a means of birth control is murder...
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tartarsauce2008 on August 04, 2011, 04:29:40 pm
Death is a natural occurance, murder is not. To kill you destroy the natural life. Death is the steady end to a life. Can I be more blunt? The way you explain; it all the murderers locked up for murder should be freed because that's natural? You think what Charles Manson did was natural? All serial killers are natural? You are out of your mind!

You said God wouldn't take away life. Death is the absence of life, and who created death? Is miscarriage not natural?
THe subject is abortion. God is the creator of life. Sin causes death. We were meant to live long lives but because Satan tricked Adam and Eve of eating the fruit from the tree that was in the middle of the garden, we die early. I feel sorry for those women who look forward to welcoming a precious child into the world, but then have their dreams dashed by a miscarriage. I'm talking just regular talk. I don't know why there are medical terms being thrown around this subject. I have my own doctor and these terms were never discussed by my obgyn when I was pregnant. So medical terms should be discussed under another subject, different states are under different codes of ethics,so lets just keep it simple.

You don't want to discuss the fact that there are different types of abortion? Why did you open up a thread about abortion?
I started a thread about abortion because there is only one type of abortion. If I was making a white wedding dress I wouldn't put green thread on my dress just because it was thread. I stick to the one true thread. A miscarriage is a miscarriage, a birth is a birth an abortion is an abortion. Got it? Or do I need to explain further. A car is a car. You wouldn't call a car a spontaneous car or people would look at you like you were crazy. The same thing if a medical form asked you to list how many abortions or miscarriages you had, where would you list the spontaneous abortions? You couldn't do it because it's not listed; as rings true for me. I never had a medical form that asked how many spontaneous abortions I had because it would be confusing to most people. I guess only double talking states list this option. You could put a patient's life in danger by confusing them like this.

Yeah, your analogy makes no sense, but a miscarriage is technically not a medical term anymore. It's spontaneous abortion.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: alwaysinstyle on August 06, 2011, 05:49:36 am
there is someting i would never do... :'(
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: JoselinTorres on August 06, 2011, 05:59:55 am
I've always had a tough time with abortion debates. I personally don't think life begins at conception but I would personally never have an abortion because a fetus is a potential life if you carry to term. I'm sure it's a very hard choice either way if you have an unexpected pregnancy.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: eveb on August 06, 2011, 07:15:24 am
can somebody explain in commons sence wat is MISSED ABORTION,I'm not on here to pass judgement on noone, we all know right from wrong, but choose to do what society say is right. Life however begins the moment the seed has been planted,Thee is a such thing as loosing a child but not getting rid of it just becuz.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: JaiStarr on August 06, 2011, 08:03:37 am
Abortion is murder- Life begins at conception. We should celebrate life, not destroy it!

blah blah blah  ::) *trolling*
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tzs on August 06, 2011, 10:52:18 am
What happens if you are raped, and become pregnant??......So you wouldn't want the choice of deciding to abort that child?!?!  You know, since it was concieved unwillingly and all.......

I still think that it is an individuals situation, and it should be that individuals choice and decision to make. Saying that people shouldn't get abortions~Isn't like that "PLAYING GOD", as you religious types always put it?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: prtee33 on August 07, 2011, 12:21:51 pm
can somebody explain in commons sence wat is MISSED ABORTION

missed abortion
Etymology: OE, missan, to be lacking; L, ab, away from, oriri, to be born
a condition in which a dead immature embryo or fetus is not expelled from the uterus for 2 months or more. The uterus diminishes in size, and symptoms of pregnancy abate; maternal infection and blood clotting disorders may follow. The fetus and placenta may become necrotic; less commonly the fetus becomes calcified, and the rest of the products of conception are resorbed.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: rkjones100 on August 07, 2011, 08:29:32 pm
Everyone will one day open their eyes and see the way to our lord.  Abortion is the ultimate sin.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: bschumacher on August 08, 2011, 09:18:19 am
Abortion is an abomination. However, in some cases it is necessary. Sometimes a child forms inside the fallopian tubes instead of the womb, or has no brain. The mother might be a small-boned 10 or 11-year old who is also a victim of rape or incest. When medically possible, women should be encouraged to have their babies adopted instead of aborting them. However, it would be a cruel mistake to ban abortion outright.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: walksalone11 on August 08, 2011, 11:20:58 am
http://www.adopt.org/assembled/statistics.html

"Of the estimated 281,000 children who exited foster care during FY 2003, 18 percent had been in care less than 1 month, 32 percent had been in care for 1 to 11 months, 20 percent had been in care for 12 to 23 months, 11 percent had been in care for 24 to 35 months, 10 percent had been in care for 36 to 59 months, and 9 percent had been in care for 5 or more years.

For FY 2005 514,000 children were served by the foster care system nationally. 52,000 were adopted. And an additional 115,000 were waiting for adoption.

It costs taxpayers $30,000 to $100,000 per year to keep a child in foster care."
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: tzs on August 09, 2011, 02:15:39 am
Everyone will one day open their eyes and see the way to our lord.  Abortion is the ultimate sin.
no, its a choice NO GOD INVOLVED.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: jazzgal on August 09, 2011, 09:08:29 am
I disagree.
Title: Re: Abortion is Murder
Post by: drmotroni on August 09, 2011, 10:33:36 am
I think the first breathe is life.