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Title: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 05, 2014, 02:11:12 pm: I think so, for two of the reasons I mention here (http://www.fusioncash.net/forum.php?topic=61482.msg836466#msg836466): 1) that God know your needs before you can even mention them & 2) that 'the children of God' (the ones you REALLY want to hear what you need) get your message clearer if it's shorter.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: Lindaroof on January 05, 2014, 02:19:14 pm: Really??? I think it goes back to whatever the person praying believes or feels. Who is to say that a short prayer is any less important that a longer prayer, they are both just as "effective" as long as you are sincere and believe. ???
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: pkrahmer on January 05, 2014, 03:29:07 pm: for me short prayers are best. I am a very direct person and to the point. length is an individual preference. not effective measure of a prayer. :peace: :wave:
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 06, 2014, 06:25:59 am: Quote from: Lindaroof on January 05, 2014, 02:19:14 pm
Really??? I think it goes back to whatever the person praying believes or feels. Who is to say that a short prayer is any less important that a longer prayer, they are both just as "effective" as long as you are sincere and believe. ???

I disagree, because--as in the example I gave from Think & Grow Rich at the link above--we're usually not praying 'so God can hear us,' but 'so His children can hear their mission-from-God' ::)
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: skinnygwenny on January 06, 2014, 06:55:37 pm: If your prayers have been answered it does not matter if it is a short prayer or a long one.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on January 06, 2014, 07:50:38 pm: Prayer is basically a conversation with God.Conversations can be long or short.In the end what counts is whats being said. :)
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 07, 2014, 06:27:37 am: Quote from: skinnygwenny on January 06, 2014, 06:55:37 pm
If your prayers have been answered it does not matter if it is a short prayer or a long one.
Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 06, 2014, 07:50:38 pm
Prayer is basically a conversation with God.Conversations can be long or short.In the end what counts is whats being said. :)

But if your prayer's too long, it leaves the FSM a lot of room for 'interpretation' (sort of like the Djinn in the WISHMASTER movies).
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: reepicheep on January 07, 2014, 03:19:40 pm: Short or long is between you and God. Unless you are praying out loud in front of a group.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on January 08, 2014, 02:11:35 am: Quote from: mythociate on January 07, 2014, 06:27:37 am
Quote from: skinnygwenny on January 06, 2014, 06:55:37 pm
If your prayers have been answered it does not matter if it is a short prayer or a long one.
Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 06, 2014, 07:50:38 pm
Prayer is basically a conversation with God.Conversations can be long or short.In the end what counts is whats being said. :)

But if your prayer's too long, it leaves the FSM a lot of room for 'interpretation' (sort of like the Djinn in the WISHMASTER movies).
Who is the FSM? ???
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 08, 2014, 10:54:08 am: Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 08, 2014, 02:11:35 am
Who is the FSM? ???

Flying Spaghetti Monster
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on January 08, 2014, 05:54:47 pm: Well,I'm sure you realize there is no such thing.

As for God,He's no mythological trickster,hoping to catch us on a technicality. His nature is to reward those who fear and love Him
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 09, 2014, 07:48:32 am: Quote from: reepicheep on January 07, 2014, 03:19:40 pm
Short or long is between you and God. Unless you are praying out loud in front of a group.

Is that to say He DOES NOT hear you if you pray out loud in front of a group?

And--whether he does then or not--which one do you think is better to pray for the group?

Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 08, 2014, 05:54:47 pm
Well,I'm sure you realize there is no such thing.

As for God,He's no mythological trickster,hoping to catch us on a technicality. His nature is to reward those who fear and love Him

You've not received tasted of His Noodled Appendage :)) ? Were I seeking to declare dissension-etc. >:-) I would liken your comment to that of those who 'shove their "God is Good"-plank deeper into their eyes, while calling the atheists on motes in their own' (or something).

But I also agree with you. Though I don't claim to fully-describe His nature as "set in stone," I also cannot claim any disagreement with any 'reason behind' His past actions of reward/punishment.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on January 09, 2014, 12:05:29 pm: Quote from: mythociate on January 09, 2014, 07:48:32 am
Quote from: reepicheep on January 07, 2014, 03:19:40 pm
Short or long is between you and God. Unless you are praying out loud in front of a group.

Is that to say He DOES NOT hear you if you pray out loud in front of a group?

And--whether he does then or not--which one do you think is better to pray for the group?

Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 08, 2014, 05:54:47 pm
Well,I'm sure you realize there is no such thing.

As for God,He's no mythological trickster,hoping to catch us on a technicality. His nature is to reward those who fear and love Him

You've not received tasted of His Noodled Appendage :)) ? Were I seeking to declare dissension-etc. >:-) I would liken your comment to that of those who 'shove their "God is Good"-plank deeper into their eyes, while calling the atheists on motes in their own' (or something).

But I also agree with you. Though I don't claim to fully-describe His nature as "set in stone," I also cannot claim any disagreement with any 'reason behind' His past actions of reward/punishment.

I'll be honest in stating I have no idea what you're getting at here.

Are you trying to say God is not completely good?That He is capable of evil?
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 09, 2014, 12:18:22 pm: Quote from: JediJohnnie on January 09, 2014, 12:05:29 pm
Are you trying to say God is not completely good?That He is capable of evil?

I'm not 'trying to say anything'; I'm just reviewing the truth that comes to me, checking it with the truth that you-&-others have.

But ... maybe. Most say "God is Good"; others (or most also, but at other times) say "God is All" or "God is Everything." With my low human logic, I cannot see how He can be 'everything' AND 'only good.' I think God sees 'good and evil' as a kind of "heads or tails." In earthly terms, it's better to be good (no death, no destruction); but thank God that God isn't operating on earthly terms 0:-)
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on January 09, 2014, 01:30:32 pm: Matt 19:17

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: skinnygwenny on January 26, 2014, 08:10:05 pm: Any prayer is better than no prayer. Whether it is short or long, your prayers will be answered.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on January 30, 2014, 01:31:20 pm: Quote from: skinnygwenny on January 26, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
Any prayer is better than no prayer. Whether it is short or long, your prayers will be answered.

I disagree. "Your Father knows your needs before you even ask for them ... think of the lilies of the valley ..."
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: ro901 on January 30, 2014, 01:37:59 pm: Prayer is nothing more than self-hypnosis.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: debidoo on January 30, 2014, 01:49:59 pm: I don't think one is any more effective than the other whether or not a prayer needs to be long or short I guess depends upon the circumstances - I think its sad for those who don't believe in prayer - too bad as prayer changes things. Also studies have been done (by secular medical) that people who had a lot of people praying for them tended to recover more quickly from surgeries so I don't think the self-hypnosis theory holds water.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on February 01, 2014, 12:26:04 pm: Quote from: debidoo on January 30, 2014, 01:49:59 pm
studies have been done (by secular medical) that people who had a lot of people praying for them tended to recover more quickly from surgeries so I don't think the self-hypnosis theory holds water.

Oh really? Did the people being prayed-for NOT KNOW that they were being prayed-for? If they did, then there the self-hypnosis holds water!

And did the people who DID know then have nothing else at all to do with the people being prayed-for? If THEY then interacted with the person, there's MORE self-hypnosis.

I'm not saying 'self-hypnosis' is BAD, but even St. James said "faith without works is dead!"
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: hitch0403 on February 01, 2014, 07:00:04 pm: I suggest you read James 5:16

The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working. .... Then he prayed again, the heavens gave the rain and the earth sprouted ..... All rig
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: bud1 on February 02, 2014, 05:15:40 pm: They are both one in the same. God knows what is going on in heart.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on February 03, 2014, 12:31:03 am: Quote from: ro901 on January 30, 2014, 01:37:59 pm
Prayer is nothing more than self-hypnosis.

That statement is self-delusional.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: JediJohnnie on February 03, 2014, 12:33:04 am: Quote from: mythociate on January 30, 2014, 01:31:20 pm
Quote from: skinnygwenny on January 26, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
Any prayer is better than no prayer. Whether it is short or long, your prayers will be answered.

I disagree. "Your Father knows your needs before you even ask for them ... think of the lilies of the valley ..."

By that line of reasoning we ought not even bother to pray.But we are commanded in the Scripture to pray at all times in the Spirit.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: mythociate on February 08, 2014, 08:32:45 pm: Quote from: JediJohnnie on February 03, 2014, 12:33:04 am
Quote from: skinnygwenny on January 26, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
Any prayer is better than no prayer. Whether it is short or long, your prayers will be answered.
...

But we are commanded in the Scripture to pray at all times in the Spirit.

Not 'to be answered' like the prayers I think skinnygwenny is talking about. The way we 'pray at all times in the Spirit' is by our constant "conversation with God" (that is WITHOUT WORDS: He speaks in conditions (we 'hear' Him by 'knowing the conditions He has us in), we respond in action).
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: short4love on March 04, 2014, 02:10:31 pm: A prayer should come from the heart and I think the length of it is does not matter.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: heypeg on March 04, 2014, 02:18:46 pm: Prays are prays, I don't think it makes a difference. What ever you are comfortable with I am sure it works.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: emckevitt on March 04, 2014, 06:31:21 pm: consideriing time is relative i think its the sincerity and content that produces in a prayer
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: almorin on March 04, 2014, 09:42:34 pm: Short or long, some prayers are more effective than others. I big difference is in the sincerity and the condition of the heart and mind / state of being. Certainly, some individuals have spent considerable time in getting to know and communicate with their father in heaven and communications are more readily had. While others struggle a great deal and may not receive the answers they seek when and how they desire them. Coming to understand God and how he communicates to each of us is important as he is able to communicate things in a variety of ways.
Title: Re: Are Short Prayers More-Effective than Long Prayers?
Post by: tfw6693 on March 05, 2014, 12:01:56 pm: :) Instead of wondering, just pray. Quit trying to impress God with short or long prayers. He responds to faith. :)