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Title: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 17, 2014, 11:13:51 am
Just looking for who supports and who doesn't and reasoning as to why you feel how you do!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on May 18, 2014, 08:38:07 am
Is there a good reason AGAINST it????
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 18, 2014, 11:27:46 am
Is there a good reason AGAINST it????
My thought exactly. It's your body, your choice how I look at it. However, this might seem contradictory due to the fact that I'm a staunch Republican..
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: msmoneybags48 on May 18, 2014, 12:47:34 pm
It is a choice of whether I prefer to smoke marijuana or not.   I chose the latter, because I don't need anything in my body that addicting.  My ex-husbands smoked it, and they had the munchies as a result. ??? ??? ??? :rainbow: :rose:
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 18, 2014, 03:53:17 pm
It is a choice of whether I prefer to smoke marijuana or not.   I chose the latter, because I don't need anything in my body that addicting.  My ex-husbands smoked it, and they had the munchies as a result. ??? ??? ??? :rainbow: :rose:
I don't think marijuana is addictive. The munchies are like the only consequence but it's easily combated, it's all willpower really.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: loulizlee on May 18, 2014, 05:42:17 pm
I have seen too many reality cop shows where the people who were caught disobeying the law were high on marijuana.  I am fine with using it for medical purposes, to relieve pain, but what is the real purpose for smoking it for "recreation"?  You will not convince me that it is not addictive, and you will not convince me that it is not the first step to other, harder drugs.  And you cannot convince me that you can have willpower when you are high on marijuana.  How many marijuana smokers have you known who were on a diet?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 18, 2014, 10:41:43 pm
I have seen too many reality cop shows where the people who were caught disobeying the law were high on marijuana.  I am fine with using it for medical purposes, to relieve pain, but what is the real purpose for smoking it for "recreation"?  You will not convince me that it is not addictive, and you will not convince me that it is not the first step to other, harder drugs.  And you cannot convince me that you can have willpower when you are high on marijuana.  How many marijuana smokers have you known who were on a diet?
Well..I am a very avid marijuana user and I'm on a diet. I workout every day and have a very strict protein based diet where I only eat healthy foods. I smoke everyday before and after my workouts and random times throughout the day. I never binge eat. The munchies are not an issue with me nor my friends. I have never done another drug and never would want to. It's a natural substance and isn't harmful in anyway. If marijuana makes someone feel good, relaxed, and happy, why should you not be able to use it if it's your body? People that smoke marijuana don't turn into idiots. In fact, I find myself much more focused. I think about more things, I'm just happier. 50% of the people in jail are in jail for marijuana related crimes. We could save MILLIONS of tax payer money by legalizing and freeing these people. NOBODY has died from just marijuana use. The amount of deaths from tobacco and alcohol are insane, yet they're legal. You can not argue that these harmful and dangerous drugs deserve to be legal over marijuana. There is no legitimate argument there.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on May 19, 2014, 10:00:16 am
I have seen too many reality cop shows where the people who were caught disobeying the law were high on marijuana.  I am fine with using it for medical purposes, to relieve pain, but what is the real purpose for smoking it for "recreation"?  You will not convince me that it is not addictive, and you will not convince me that it is not the first step to other, harder drugs.  And you cannot convince me that you can have willpower when you are high on marijuana.  How many marijuana smokers have you known who were on a diet?

Ummm... those people on COPS are high on crack, not pot.  You don't fight cops on pot. You forget why they are there on pot.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: lvstephanie on May 19, 2014, 10:02:34 am
Being a staunch conservative, I feel that pot should be legalized at a federal level... This is one issue that I don't understand why some republicans (esp. at the federal level) are against since it really should be decided at the state level what they want to legalize and to what degree. I think it's outrageous that the DEA still can close down a legal store (or at least confiscate all of their merchandise) because even though the state may legalize it, there may be some federal laws that they're breaking. The only ways I can see having the federal government involved with marijuana laws would be if it was transported into the US from an outside country, if the federal government passed something like the legal drinking age (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act_of_1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act_of_1984)) where there is no penalty at the national level for underage consumption and/or purchasing, but rather withholds federal funds to states that do not abide by the standards set by the federal government (thereby enticing states to pass laws making it illegal to purchase / possess alcoholic beverages under the age of 21), or if the FDA (or perhaps ATF) established rules defining how it was produced, characterized, etc. and conducted inspections to ensure that its production met with their standards.

You will not convince me that it is not addictive, and you will not convince me that it is not the first step to other, harder drugs.

I disagree that it is a so-called gateway drug... "Drugs" are anything (aside from foods) that a person takes in order to to alter the way they feel. Using this definition, there are many legal drugs (including legal, recreational drugs) that a person might consume, yet we don't consider them to be "gateway" drugs. Furthermore, it is not addictive as other drugs, even those legal, recreational ones (see http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive)), so in that sense it doesn't mimic the "harder" drugs. Only about 10%-30% of regular users are reported as having an addiction, and that number drops to near 0% for first-time users. And the withdraw symptoms are also pretty minor, making even relatively easy for an addict to stop "cold-turkey" (compare that to the legal, recreational drug of nicotine). Another big difference between marijuana and "hard" drugs is that it is extremely unlikely to overdose and die from pot (see http://www.newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html (http://www.newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html)); in fact it is much easier to overdose on alcohol than from pot (it takes 40,000 times the amount of pot to OD than it takes to get high, yet with alcohol's stronger potency only takes about 5 times the amount to OD). And the deaths reported from marijuana consumption are either due to its influence affecting a person's perceptions when high (thus many deaths are due to driving while under the influence) or because there was a foreign substance in the marijuana (some dealers will spike the pot with "harder" substances in order to get the user addicted on that other substance) which with proper regulations on the manufacturing and characterization of marijuana would mostly eliminate. About the only similarity between marijuana and "hard" drugs that might make it a gateway drug is that it is illegal (in most states, esp. for recreational use), so the only way to purchase it is on the black market where the dealer may also sell the harder substances (including the spiking of the marijuana as described above). But if marijuana was made legal, then this becomes a moot point since legal shops, growers, and manufacturers would be out in the open and could be monitored more easily. Please note that I tried to find fairly objective sites / cites since both sides of the argument tend to over-exaggerate the reality of this drug's effects.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 19, 2014, 01:48:42 pm
I want to comment on does marijuana lead to other dangerous drugs.I think we all know the answer to that is YES!!!I also realize it doesnt with ALL users of the weed.

If it caused 1 user to OVERDOSE on heroin....its ONE TOO MANY!!!

I personally know it can cause bronchitis too.I was an avid smoker of it in my late teens and coughed for over 3 months!!

Do we weigh the good it causes for some against the abuse of it?

You hear of the good from blood transfusions...you dont hear the other sicknessess they cause.Its Gods law in the bible to abstain from blood.Yet man breaks HIS laws constantly.

Most of us know the reasons we smoke it and im sure 99% of it is recreational.

Eccl says it best....."Man has dominated himself to his own injury"
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 19, 2014, 01:51:38 pm
Eccl 8:9

For those that need to see it!!Or read it!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 19, 2014, 02:43:03 pm
Being a staunch conservative, I feel that pot should be legalized at a federal level... This is one issue that I don't understand why some republicans (esp. at the federal level) are against since it really should be decided at the state level what they want to legalize and to what degree. I think it's outrageous that the DEA still can close down a legal store (or at least confiscate all of their merchandise) because even though the state may legalize it, there may be some federal laws that they're breaking. The only ways I can see having the federal government involved with marijuana laws would be if it was transported into the US from an outside country, if the federal government passed something like the legal drinking age (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act_of_1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act_of_1984)) where there is no penalty at the national level for underage consumption and/or purchasing, but rather withholds federal funds to states that do not abide by the standards set by the federal government (thereby enticing states to pass laws making it illegal to purchase / possess alcoholic beverages under the age of 21), or if the FDA (or perhaps ATF) established rules defining how it was produced, characterized, etc. and conducted inspections to ensure that its production met with their standards.

You will not convince me that it is not addictive, and you will not convince me that it is not the first step to other, harder drugs.

I disagree that it is a so-called gateway drug... "Drugs" are anything (aside from foods) that a person takes in order to to alter the way they feel. Using this definition, there are many legal drugs (including legal, recreational drugs) that a person might consume, yet we don't consider them to be "gateway" drugs. Furthermore, it is not addictive as other drugs, even those legal, recreational ones (see http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive)), so in that sense it doesn't mimic the "harder" drugs. Only about 10%-30% of regular users are reported as having an addiction, and that number drops to near 0% for first-time users. And the withdraw symptoms are also pretty minor, making even relatively easy for an addict to stop "cold-turkey" (compare that to the legal, recreational drug of nicotine). Another big difference between marijuana and "hard" drugs is that it is extremely unlikely to overdose and die from pot (see http://www.newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html (http://www.newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html)); in fact it is much easier to overdose on alcohol than from pot (it takes 40,000 times the amount of pot to OD than it takes to get high, yet with alcohol's stronger potency only takes about 5 times the amount to OD). And the deaths reported from marijuana consumption are either due to its influence affecting a person's perceptions when high (thus many deaths are due to driving while under the influence) or because there was a foreign substance in the marijuana (some dealers will spike the pot with "harder" substances in order to get the user addicted on that other substance) which with proper regulations on the manufacturing and characterization of marijuana would mostly eliminate. About the only similarity between marijuana and "hard" drugs that might make it a gateway drug is that it is illegal (in most states, esp. for recreational use), so the only way to purchase it is on the black market where the dealer may also sell the harder substances (including the spiking of the marijuana as described above). But if marijuana was made legal, then this becomes a moot point since legal shops, growers, and manufacturers would be out in the open and could be monitored more easily. Please note that I tried to find fairly objective sites / cites since both sides of the argument tend to over-exaggerate the reality of this drug's effects.
THANK YOU! I am a very right winged conservative and I agree 100000% with what you are saying. Other drugs are legal even though millions die every year from them while this "drug," that has killed nobody, is illegal. It's crap.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 19, 2014, 02:44:34 pm
I want to comment on does marijuana lead to other dangerous drugs.I think we all know the answer to that is YES!!!I also realize it doesnt with ALL users of the weed.

If it caused 1 user to OVERDOSE on heroin....its ONE TOO MANY!!!

I personally know it can cause bronchitis too.I was an avid smoker of it in my late teens and coughed for over 3 months!!

Do we weigh the good it causes for some against the abuse of it?

You hear of the good from blood transfusions...you dont hear the other sicknessess they cause.Its Gods law in the bible to abstain from blood.Yet man breaks HIS laws constantly.

Most of us know the reasons we smoke it and im sure 99% of it is recreational.

Eccl says it best....."Man has dominated himself to his own injury"
I'm an atheist..
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: lvstephanie on May 19, 2014, 03:17:29 pm
I want to comment on does marijuana lead to other dangerous drugs.I think we all know the answer to that is YES!!!I also realize it doesnt with ALL users of the weed.

If it caused 1 user to OVERDOSE on heroin....its ONE TOO MANY!!!

I personally know it can cause bronchitis too.I was an avid smoker of it in my late teens and coughed for over 3 months!!

Do we weigh the good it causes for some against the abuse of it?

You hear of the good from blood transfusions...you dont hear the other sicknessess they cause.Its Gods law in the bible to abstain from blood.Yet man breaks HIS laws constantly.

Most of us know the reasons we smoke it and im sure 99% of it is recreational.

Eccl says it best....."Man has dominated himself to his own injury"

According to the JW site as to whether alcohol is prohibited (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010002 (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010002)) couldn't the same be said for marijuana? After all if "he has given man “wine to make him happy, olive oil to make him cheerful, and bread to give him strength.” (Psalm 104:15, Today’s English Version)", wouldn't God have given man weed to make him happy as well (assuming that 99% of its use is indeed recreational)?

And as for its medicinal use, we already weigh the good that a medication causes over its abuse; it is the abuse of substances that is wrong, not the proper use of it. Other forms of medication are allowed by JW's, even though there is the potential for others to abuse it, or even if there are dangerous side-effects (again weighing the good over its harm in assuming that the treatment is not as bad as the untreated condition). I can somewhat understand why JW's believe that blood transfusions are wrong since the Bible explicitly states that blood consumption is wrong (although I do think there is a difference between consumption as in what vampires do vs. a blood transfusion, esp. if the blood is coming from the same individual (and therefore isn't affecting someone else's soul, since the justifications in the Bible against blood consumption have to do with the blood being where the soul exists) but that's besides the point). But since the Bible doesn't explicitly prohibit the use of marijuana, then from a medicinal standpoint its use shouldn't be prohibitive.

EDIT: And mpeters69 makes a good point that even though one particular religion may feel that something is wrong doesn't give that religion the right to trump the edicts of other religions in creating the laws of this free country (at least at the federal level, and you'd be hard-pressed to do similar things at even local levels). We don't have laws prohibiting pork consumption (Jews and Muslims), beef consumption (Hindus), blood transfusions (Jehovah Witnesses), the ability to seek out medical help (Christian Scientists), pornography (Many religions prohibit lewdness), or any of the other multitude of things that the various religions proscribe.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 19, 2014, 04:14:46 pm
IveSteph.....what does wine have to do with weed?Yes the bible says wine has medicinal value and make your heart rejoice...and it also says it will bite you like a serpent if you get drunk on it.

The bible doesnt promote weed at all.

Also you bring up freedom of religeon.What RIGHT does man have in deciding Gods rules?Its pretty obvious that Christendom claims to teach bible but doesnt.I could give you a zillion examples but i really dont think it would do any good from who supports the soul never dies to Jesus is God.

Its really quite simple.To those that support weed they will not see the damage it does because they like it and will find any small amount of reasoning to support it.

A diabetic has to stay away from sugar cos of the damage it can do to them.Maybe it wont happen right away.And the pleasure they got from all those years cheatin with it finally caught up with them.

Too bad many dont understand the writing of the bible was for mans good and too many wanna challenege it.But then again that was the first sin in Eden when Satan blinded Eve into making her think she could decide for herself what was good and what was bad without the Creators help.

That spirit is is quite prevalent in this world today and the reason God has allowed it to continue is to prove it DOESNT work in harmony with living within HIS laws!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: jmccaskill on May 19, 2014, 04:29:17 pm
I don't see anything good coming from legalizing pot. MAYBE it will allow the police to better direct their efforts on more serious crime matters. That is about all I can think of that might be a benefit.

On the other side of the coin, I have seen to many lives totally screwed up by the use of pot. Straight A college classmates getting into it, losing all ambition to do anything other than smoke, flunk out and who knows where their life has ended up. Alcohol ruins lives too, but pot seems to start that downward spiral for people at much earlier ages. I have never known anyone that was a success in life that used pot, period. However I have known quite a few that THINK they were doing great while everyone around them could see how obviously screwed up their life was.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 19, 2014, 04:37:39 pm
Amen JMMCAS!!!

I will do 1 better.....i have a son who smoked lots of weed and eventually started doing harder drugs and all i can say much consequence followed.......

Not very pleasant for parents.....its not like i wanna blame the whole thing on weed.....but i know this....IT DAM WELL CONTRIBUTED!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 19, 2014, 04:44:09 pm
And to give another illustration.......

How many people today do you think may have started playing a penny slot machine......and now are $1000s of dollars in debt???????????
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hawkeye3210 on May 19, 2014, 07:18:43 pm

THANK YOU! I am a very right winged conservative and I agree 100000% with what you are saying. Other drugs are legal even though millions die every year from them while this "drug," that has killed nobody, is illegal. It's crap.

Killed nobody? Please tell me you are joking. If you are going to go on the qualifier about overdosing, don't bother. It's a poor argument.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Falconer02 on May 19, 2014, 08:50:28 pm
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Just looking for who supports and who doesn't and reasoning as to why you feel how you do!

You have a plant that has been around and used for tens of thousands of years, and then suddenly 60+ years ago you have some rich white conservatives who don't want their profit margins in the paper industry to plummet, so they campaign against it using racism, pseudoscience, and general fearmongering to get it banned. It gets banned over stupid reasons, and till this day continues to ruin lives due to the unjust laws. Any simple research can show there are more pros than cons with pot. Quite frankly if you don't support the legalization of it politically, you're a blind sheep.

I don't see anything good coming from legalizing pot. MAYBE it will allow the police to better direct their efforts on more serious crime matters. That is about all I can think of that might be a benefit.

On the other side of the coin, I have seen to many lives totally screwed up by the use of pot. Straight A college classmates getting into it, losing all ambition to do anything other than smoke, flunk out and who knows where their life has ended up. Alcohol ruins lives too, but pot seems to start that downward spiral for people at much earlier ages. I have never known anyone that was a success in life that used pot, period. However I have known quite a few that THINK they were doing great while everyone around them could see how obviously screwed up their life was.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/03/11/its-no-toke-colorado-pulls-in-millions-in-marijuana-tax-revenue/

If the system were run 100% efficiently, you'd right about the cop thing. But that's actually a major reason it's still illegal. Profit margins for privately-owned prison systems. Why legalize something when you can make more money catching smokers and ruining people's lives? Portugal legalized pot, and within a few years they had to close a few jails.
This same thing happened to a friend of mine. He got caught buying and $15,000 later, he avoided a felony charge on his record. That's pretty screwed up, right?

I know plenty of users who one would deem successful. They're happily married, have good (but stressful) jobs, have kids, and are very social people. I (very occasionally) smoke it, and I'm doing very pretty well myself (60k/yr, hard job = why I'm not on FC as much anymore). I'm not saying the lazy stereotype does not exist- I've seen plenty of them. But I don't blame it on the drug. That's like blaming Doritos on a fat out-of-shape person with a poor diet. It's the person's lack of ambition and poor environment that causes him to pig out. Pot can be one reason why they're lazy, but blaming it on pot useage is mainly a scapegoat argument.

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i have a son who smoked lots of weed and eventually started doing harder drugs and all i can say much consequence followed.......

Sorry to hear that. Case-by-case position though- you got dealt a bad hand. The vast majority of my friends who have smoked pot haven't done anything 'harder' than it. I'm more worried about their drinking habits.

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How many people today do you think may have started playing a penny slot machine......and now are $1000s of dollars in debt

But slot machines are still legal despite the people with addictions to gambling. You don't ban something just because a handful of people are idiots with it. That makes for an irrational, unjust, and toothless society bent on putting padding over everything. The key point I'm trying to make in this whole post is it's an individuals responsibility to be responsible with such things. Alcohol is without a doubt much worse for someone, yet it has been legal for far longer. Am I justifying the use of it? Politically/legally? YES. Individually? Again, it's a case-by-case situation.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 19, 2014, 10:30:56 pm
I want to comment on does marijuana lead to other dangerous drugs.I think we all know the answer to that is YES!!!I also realize it doesnt with ALL users of the weed.

If it caused 1 user to OVERDOSE on heroin....its ONE TOO MANY!!!

I personally know it can cause bronchitis too.I was an avid smoker of it in my late teens and coughed for over 3 months!!

Do we weigh the good it causes for some against the abuse of it?

You hear of the good from blood transfusions...you dont hear the other sicknessess they cause.Its Gods law in the bible to abstain from blood.Yet man breaks HIS laws constantly.

Most of us know the reasons we smoke it and im sure 99% of it is recreational.

Eccl says it best....."Man has dominated himself to his own injury"

According to the JW site as to whether alcohol is prohibited (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010002 (http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010002)) couldn't the same be said for marijuana? After all if "he has given man “wine to make him happy, olive oil to make him cheerful, and bread to give him strength.” (Psalm 104:15, Today’s English Version)", wouldn't God have given man weed to make him happy as well (assuming that 99% of its use is indeed recreational)?

And as for its medicinal use, we already weigh the good that a medication causes over its abuse; it is the abuse of substances that is wrong, not the proper use of it. Other forms of medication are allowed by JW's, even though there is the potential for others to abuse it, or even if there are dangerous side-effects (again weighing the good over its harm in assuming that the treatment is not as bad as the untreated condition). I can somewhat understand why JW's believe that blood transfusions are wrong since the Bible explicitly states that blood consumption is wrong (although I do think there is a difference between consumption as in what vampires do vs. a blood transfusion, esp. if the blood is coming from the same individual (and therefore isn't affecting someone else's soul, since the justifications in the Bible against blood consumption have to do with the blood being where the soul exists) but that's besides the point). But since the Bible doesn't explicitly prohibit the use of marijuana, then from a medicinal standpoint its use shouldn't be prohibitive.

EDIT: And mpeters69 makes a good point that even though one particular religion may feel that something is wrong doesn't give that religion the right to trump the edicts of other religions in creating the laws of this free country (at least at the federal level, and you'd be hard-pressed to do similar things at even local levels). We don't have laws prohibiting pork consumption (Jews and Muslims), beef consumption (Hindus), blood transfusions (Jehovah Witnesses), the ability to seek out medical help (Christian Scientists), pornography (Many religions prohibit lewdness), or any of the other multitude of things that the various religions proscribe.
right. christianity has an obvious stranglehold over the United States government.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 19, 2014, 10:33:11 pm
I don't see anything good coming from legalizing pot. MAYBE it will allow the police to better direct their efforts on more serious crime matters. That is about all I can think of that might be a benefit.

On the other side of the coin, I have seen to many lives totally screwed up by the use of pot. Straight A college classmates getting into it, losing all ambition to do anything other than smoke, flunk out and who knows where their life has ended up. Alcohol ruins lives too, but pot seems to start that downward spiral for people at much earlier ages. I have never known anyone that was a success in life that used pot, period. However I have known quite a few that THINK they were doing great while everyone around them could see how obviously screwed up their life was.
i've smoked throughout high school and got accepted into Ohio University's business college and honor's program. When i'm high off marijuana, I tend to even focus better and get more motivation to do my work.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 19, 2014, 10:36:16 pm
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Just looking for who supports and who doesn't and reasoning as to why you feel how you do!

You have a plant that has been around and used for tens of thousands of years, and then suddenly 60+ years ago you have some rich white conservatives who don't want their profit margins in the paper industry to plummet, so they campaign against it using racism, pseudoscience, and general fearmongering to get it banned. It gets banned over stupid reasons, and till this day continues to ruin lives due to the unjust laws. Any simple research can show there are more pros than cons with pot. Quite frankly if you don't support the legalization of it politically, you're a blind sheep.

I don't see anything good coming from legalizing pot. MAYBE it will allow the police to better direct their efforts on more serious crime matters. That is about all I can think of that might be a benefit.

On the other side of the coin, I have seen to many lives totally screwed up by the use of pot. Straight A college classmates getting into it, losing all ambition to do anything other than smoke, flunk out and who knows where their life has ended up. Alcohol ruins lives too, but pot seems to start that downward spiral for people at much earlier ages. I have never known anyone that was a success in life that used pot, period. However I have known quite a few that THINK they were doing great while everyone around them could see how obviously screwed up their life was.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/03/11/its-no-toke-colorado-pulls-in-millions-in-marijuana-tax-revenue/

If the system were run 100% efficiently, you'd right about the cop thing. But that's actually a major reason it's still illegal. Profit margins for privately-owned prison systems. Why legalize something when you can make more money catching smokers and ruining people's lives? Portugal legalized pot, and within a few years they had to close a few jails.
This same thing happened to a friend of mine. He got caught buying and $15,000 later, he avoided a felony charge on his record. That's pretty screwed up, right?

I know plenty of users who one would deem successful. They're happily married, have good (but stressful) jobs, have kids, and are very social people. I (very occasionally) smoke it, and I'm doing very pretty well myself (60k/yr, hard job = why I'm not on FC as much anymore). I'm not saying the lazy stereotype does not exist- I've seen plenty of them. But I don't blame it on the drug. That's like blaming Doritos on a fat out-of-shape person with a poor diet. It's the person's lack of ambition and poor environment that causes him to pig out. Pot can be one reason why they're lazy, but blaming it on pot useage is mainly a scapegoat argument.

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i have a son who smoked lots of weed and eventually started doing harder drugs and all i can say much consequence followed.......

Sorry to hear that. Case-by-case position though- you got dealt a bad hand. The vast majority of my friends who have smoked pot haven't done anything 'harder' than it. I'm more worried about their drinking habits.

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How many people today do you think may have started playing a penny slot machine......and now are $1000s of dollars in debt

But slot machines are still legal despite the people with addictions to gambling. You don't ban something just because a handful of people are idiots with it. That makes for an irrational, unjust, and toothless society bent on putting padding over everything. The key point I'm trying to make in this whole post is it's an individuals responsibility to be responsible with such things. Alcohol is without a doubt much worse for someone, yet it has been legal for far longer. Am I justifying the use of it? Politically/legally? YES. Individually? Again, it's a case-by-case situation.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I definitely agree that there are many more pros to legalizing than cons. With the tax money Colorado is going to be raking in, I believe more states will soon follow suit.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: lvstephanie on May 20, 2014, 12:44:31 pm

THANK YOU! I am a very right winged conservative and I agree 100000% with what you are saying. Other drugs are legal even though millions die every year from them while this "drug," that has killed nobody, is illegal. It's crap.

Killed nobody? Please tell me you are joking. If you are going to go on the qualifier about overdosing, don't bother. It's a poor argument.

Do you have an example of when pot actually killed someone, all by itself? And when someone says that it hasn't killed anyone, they are NOT talking about getting into a car accident while DUI; after all it is the car accident and not the marijuana that killed the person (although being high was a contributing factor that caused the accident). No one would dispute that it is reckless and dangerous to drive while high, and that a DUI may lead to a person's death.

The issue is whether marijuana itself should be legal, and so one way to look at this is to look at other legal, recreational drugs like alcohol. Since we don't outright ban alcohol consumption even though a DUI from being drunk might kill someone, a similar argument can be made for marijuana... Instead of outright banning it, we could make it legal and yet regulate its usage such that it is still illegal to drive while being high. However the case is made even stronger for its legalization if you consider the physiological effects that marijuana has vs. that of other legal substances (this is where considering the OD effect is important -- and I cannot see why this is a bad argument since this is the exact criteria that pharmacologists / toxicologists use to decide whether a possible medication would be worthwhile to investigate further). Alcohol all by itself can kill a person either by OD'ing on it or even its long-term effects causing cirrhosis of the liver. Nicotine has an immediate danger of having someone OD on it (although it isn't as easy as alcohol toxicity, esp. considering that a person would more likely be exposed to lethal doses via ingestion rather than inhalation), and long-term usage may lead to cancer, heart disease, etc. THC, again being difficult to OD on has little potential of death in the short-term, and also has few long-term effects that may lead to a person's death (most effects of long-term use is due to changes in brain chemistry). Thus to argue against the legalization of marijuana based on its lethality is ridiculous since by itself it is much less lethal than other legal substances, and if you include the cases when being high was a contributing factor to the death, then again you can look at laws that regulate alcohol consumption to minimize those types of deaths.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hawkeye3210 on May 20, 2014, 02:37:06 pm
The overdose argument is poor because you are not actually arguing against the law. People overdosing isn't the reason why it became illegal, which makes the overdose argument a strawman. You're also employing selective logic if want to make the case that it is harmless and no one has been killed based on no one overdosing.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 20, 2014, 02:46:31 pm
Who are we fooling here anyway whether weed is illegal or NOT!!

In this world its still going to run rampant no matter who supports it or not.As much as i am against it if there was an instance where it helped someone medically id say BRAVO!!!

But i also think the long term effect from it does more harm than good!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 20, 2014, 08:50:05 pm
The overdose argument is poor because you are not actually arguing against the law. People overdosing isn't the reason why it became illegal, which makes the overdose argument a strawman. You're also employing selective logic if want to make the case that it is harmless and no one has been killed based on no one overdosing.
then what is the reason why it was made illegal?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: lgemini on May 21, 2014, 04:27:52 pm
I do not smoke marijuana, but I think it should be legalized.  It will help our economy and put people to work.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 21, 2014, 11:01:28 pm
I do not smoke marijuana, but I think it should be legalized.  It will help our economy and put people to work.
Very valid argument, lots of economical sense in it
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Falconer02 on May 23, 2014, 09:38:35 pm
The overdose argument is poor because you are not actually arguing against the law. People overdosing isn't the reason why it became illegal, which makes the overdose argument a strawman. You're also employing selective logic if want to make the case that it is harmless and no one has been killed based on no one overdosing.
then what is the reason why it was made illegal?

Political and business corruption mostly. Racism and ignorance played a roll too. A quick google search can easily answer this question, but it's mind boggling why we haven't legalized it yet considering the stupid reasons of why it was made illegal in the first place.

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: workin4alivin on May 25, 2014, 05:48:30 am
Medical MJ is okay I think.  I mean, if I understand it correctly ... it's produced for specific results in pain relief, anxiety control, etc.  Personally, as a recreational drug, I've never enjoyed it.  In my heyday of the 60's/70's I wasn't too much of a fan.  I went in another direction, or directions I should say.  Glad I outgrew that phase of life!  Chuckle.

I support medical use of marijuana ... plus legalization can and hopefully will make a dent in the drug problems around the country. Once legal those fools who sell it illegally won't make such a profit. (or then maybe big business makes the profit.) Hmm too early for me to have this conversation! Chuckle.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 26, 2014, 03:37:00 pm
The prohibition of marijuana has done a 1000 times more damage to our society than marijuana will ever even begin to do. Marijuana doesn't ruin lives, people do, be it either done by themselves or by others (more often by others).
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: loulizlee on May 28, 2014, 09:37:58 am
All of these statistics that are thrown around - have any of them been researched?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 28, 2014, 12:09:47 pm
The prohibition of marijuana has done a 1000 times more damage to our society than marijuana will ever even begin to do. Marijuana doesn't ruin lives, people do, be it either done by themselves or by others (more often by others).
agreed
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 28, 2014, 12:11:08 pm
All of these statistics that are thrown around - have any of them been researched?
doubtful..but it makes for interesting debate  :-[
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 28, 2014, 01:02:03 pm
A few years ago a woman on the Taconic Parkway in NY got on the road going in the wrong direction.She hit an oncoming car and killed 2 passengers in that car......herself.....and 4 children in her car.I believe 1 other child was seriously hurt but survived.

Research?When you ask that question this topic should go in the comic section.

BTW.....the autopsy showed there was weed in her blood.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on May 28, 2014, 04:27:58 pm
Should you smoke pot? Of course not.  You also shouldn't eat sugar or drink alcohol. Should it be legal? Of course it should.
I have heard plenty of decent reasons here why people should not smoke it but still not one decent reason why it should be illegal. Just one decent reason guys, and I'll be on board.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 28, 2014, 10:13:28 pm
A few years ago a woman on the Taconic Parkway in NY got on the road going in the wrong direction.She hit an oncoming car and killed 2 passengers in that car......herself.....and 4 children in her car.I believe 1 other child was seriously hurt but survived.

Research?When you ask that question this topic should go in the comic section.

BTW.....the autopsy showed there was weed in her blood.
marijuana stays in your system for up to a month. Therefore she could have smoked it another day. I don't know anybody that is that dumb to drive on the wrong side of the road even under the influence of pot. i'm a great high driver. Please source this "research"
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 28, 2014, 10:14:36 pm
Should you smoke pot? Of course not.  You also shouldn't eat sugar or drink alcohol. Should it be legal? Of course it should.
I have heard plenty of decent reasons here why people should not smoke it but still not one decent reason why it should be illegal. Just one decent reason guys, and I'll be on board.
I think it only has positive attributes.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 30, 2014, 06:03:25 am
Mpeters...that is true weed stays in your system a longtime.

So to be fair to me to continue this discussion with you let me know when YOUR 30days is up!!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sak4kat on May 30, 2014, 08:01:28 am
I'm not in a position to say it's wrong.  I've (Thank the Lord) never had a need for using marijuana.  For those that turn to it for medical reasons' that's there choice and to have it available to make there lives easier than so be it.  Maybe I or a loved one will be in that same position someday.  In the mean time I feel as though it's up to each individual as it's there business and nobody else has a place to judge.  Now if marijuana is being used a drug to get high and just act stupid - I'm against it.  There are plenty other things that can bring joy to ones life.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 30, 2014, 08:47:37 am
Mpeters...that is true weed stays in your system a longtime.

So to be fair to me to continue this discussion with you let me know when YOUR 30days is up!!!

Lol! You implying that weed will keep him high for 30 days after his last smoke? That would be some damn good weed.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 30, 2014, 01:01:57 pm
Zal...i dont think i have to explain how i meant to be humorous PLUS make a point!!!

I agree.....that would be some potent stuff.Market value on that stuff would be mind boggling!!And i am sure the money would go to a good cause!!

YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 30, 2014, 01:06:05 pm
Zal again you have to scroll up and see how he used the 30 days it stays in your system when i explained the woman killed many people driving.

NEVER did it seem hed admit it may have contributed to a massive loss of life....why???Cos he is hooked on the stuff and wants to defend it!!

Case closed.

Im gonna compete with Judge Judy!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 30, 2014, 03:44:48 pm
Mpeters...that is true weed stays in your system a longtime.

So to be fair to me to continue this discussion with you let me know when YOUR 30days is up!!!
um what?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 30, 2014, 03:47:04 pm
I'm not in a position to say it's wrong.  I've (Thank the Lord) never had a need for using marijuana.  For those that turn to it for medical reasons' that's there choice and to have it available to make there lives easier than so be it.  Maybe I or a loved one will be in that same position someday.  In the mean time I feel as though it's up to each individual as it's there business and nobody else has a place to judge.  Now if marijuana is being used a drug to get high and just act stupid - I'm against it.  There are plenty other things that can bring joy to ones life.
I don't act stupid when I'm high. It relaxes me and helps me think clearly and more thoughtfully. I focus more.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 30, 2014, 03:49:02 pm
Zal again you have to scroll up and see how he used the 30 days it stays in your system when i explained the woman killed many people driving.

NEVER did it seem hed admit it may have contributed to a massive loss of life....why???Cos he is hooked on the stuff and wants to defend it!!

Case closed.

Im gonna compete with Judge Judy!!
What in the world are you talking about..? I'm just saying that just because it was found in her system, doesn't mean she was high that day. Your arguments are all invalid and irrelevant. You're just wrong. I would appreciate no longer seeing your poorly defended point of view anymore.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 30, 2014, 05:10:38 pm
Almost every argument I've heard/seen made by people who support marijuana prohibition was either based off propaganda or made with just pure emotional filled ignorance. Just think about it, someone is happily smoking a joint in their house, not hurting anybody, then suddenly the police bust in and ruin that person's life.
      What ruined that person's life you ask? Prohibition ruined his life, not marijuana, but weed warriors would say it was the Marijuana, saying, "Oh, I've witnessed the evil devil's weed ruin so many lives"

If only more people would take the time to educate themselves.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

I'm sorry that the debate on this topic must become hostile, but this is a war against the American people they're fighting here (and civilians of almost every other country), and like war, those who are fighting see their enemy as sub-human garbage that has to be discarded. That is how the weed warriors see those of us against marijuana prohibition.



Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 30, 2014, 10:36:50 pm
Mpeters...you started this topic and asked who defends it or not and why.....i just gave you the tip of the iceberg why i am against it.

Maybe you dont understand my logic on it cos your brain is fried from it!!

I assure you i have been on this earth long enuff to see it does fry brains!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 30, 2014, 11:11:20 pm
Mpeters...you started this topic and asked who defends it or not and why.....i just gave you the tip of the iceberg why i am against it.

Maybe you dont understand my logic on it cos your brain is fried from it!!

I assure you i have been on this earth long enuff to see it does fry brains!!

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml#3-3 (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml#3-3)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info14.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info14.shtml)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth16.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth16.shtml)

http://www.usask.ca/research/communications/pdf/Study_turns_pot_wisdom_on_head.pdf (http://www.usask.ca/research/communications/pdf/Study_turns_pot_wisdom_on_head.pdf)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth17.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth17.shtml)

http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/cannabis-and-the-brain-a-user-s-guide (http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/cannabis-and-the-brain-a-user-s-guide)

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/22/marijuana-brain-study_n_5170422.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/22/marijuana-brain-study_n_5170422.html)

http://norml.org/aboutmarijuana/item/detailed-reference?category_id=734 (http://norml.org/aboutmarijuana/item/detailed-reference?category_id=734)

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509 (http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509)

If it "fries" your brains, then why do so many medical organizations endorse it as a medicine? Show me what you got.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 30, 2014, 11:23:24 pm
Almost every argument I've heard/seen made by people who support marijuana prohibition was either based off propaganda or made with just pure emotional filled ignorance. Just think about it, someone is happily smoking a joint in their house, not hurting anybody, then suddenly the police bust in and ruin that person's life.
      What ruined that person's life you ask? Prohibition ruined his life, not marijuana, but weed warriors would say it was the Marijuana, saying, "Oh, I've witnessed the evil devil's weed ruin so many lives"

If only more people would take the time to educate themselves.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

I'm sorry that the debate on this topic must become hostile, but this is a war against the American people they're fighting here (and civilians of almost every other country), and like war, those who are fighting see their enemy as sub-human garbage that has to be discarded. That is how the weed warriors see those of us against marijuana prohibition.
the comment about devil's evil weed reminded me of "the devil's lettuce" lmao..but i agree with you as well. I honestly do not see how people think it's bad.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 30, 2014, 11:25:38 pm
Mpeters...you started this topic and asked who defends it or not and why.....i just gave you the tip of the iceberg why i am against it.

Maybe you dont understand my logic on it cos your brain is fried from it!!

I assure you i have been on this earth long enuff to see it does fry brains!!
Your arguments are just completely irrelevant and ignorant. I'm sorry, but that's the blunt truth. For your sake I hope you're just trolling because truthfully, the crap coming from your comments is terrible. If anyone's brain is fried, its yours with all of those grammatical errors. Something tells me I am able to comprehend logical sense much easier and better than you do.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 31, 2014, 10:06:08 am
LOL!!!!

Truly you guys are "Lost in a Lost world"!!!

Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 31, 2014, 10:29:22 am
LOL!!!!

Truly you guys are "Lost in a Lost world"!!!

Okay, I'm calling troll alert here.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 31, 2014, 04:08:49 pm
Zalnar....i dont think Fusion Cash will be too happy to see your visual on smoking weed.

I do believe its against the law and you are enforcing it here...tsk tsk...naughty
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: acurtsinger2 on May 31, 2014, 05:50:33 pm
if pot is legalized it should still be against the law for children to use and consume the same as alcohol..thc DOES affect a growing brain.  children dont need any barriers from reaching their full potential..i seriously doubt if the feds will ever totally legalize it because they can't figure out a way to tax it..that's why alcohol is legal to buy at the store but moonshining is illegal
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on May 31, 2014, 06:56:05 pm
if pot is legalized it should still be against the law for children to use and consume the same as alcohol..thc DOES affect a growing brain.  children dont need any barriers from reaching their full potential..i seriously doubt if the feds will ever totally legalize it because they can't figure out a way to tax it..that's why alcohol is legal to buy at the store but moonshining is illegal
I think everything, including weed, should be legal at 18, once you become an adult. Marijuana is safe, but the ways to consume could harm children. Especially tobacco blunt wraps.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 31, 2014, 09:34:14 pm
Thanx Fusion Cash for deleting that visual....
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on May 31, 2014, 10:43:48 pm
Thanx Fusion Cash for deleting that visual....

I removed it to save them the trouble, so they can be content knowing that people like you won't pee themselves in fear when they see an "evil boogie man smoking that thar evil devil's lettuce cuz mommy told me drugs are bad mmm' kay".       
      I lose all respect for anyone that's in favor of throwing anyone in prison for something that's a much safer choice over alcohol. Even Walmart sells legal potentially dangerous psychoactive substances right off the shelf, such as DXM as cough medicine for example, which it is a miracle DXM isn't illegal right up there with Heroin.
    Anyway, there's really no point to debating with you anymore, you're going to always believe what you were taught to believe with all the propaganda and junk science your whole life. Just run along and continue your life as just another sheep in the herd.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on May 31, 2014, 11:57:36 pm
I have NO objections if you care to put up a picture of someone grabbing a kleenex!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 01, 2014, 12:02:06 am
OH and BTW....you did FC a favor by removing the visual????

LOL!!!

Some thought process!!!

The way you think its EZ to see why weed isnt legal!!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on June 01, 2014, 07:32:32 am
Obvious troll is obvious, not feeding anymore, clicking ignore.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 01, 2014, 08:52:56 am
Anyone come up with a valid reason yet?
Title: !
Post by: mpeters69 on June 01, 2014, 08:56:53 am
Obvious troll is obvious, not feeding anymore, clicking ignore.
good call!
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mpeters69 on June 01, 2014, 08:57:24 am
Anyone come up with a valid reason yet?
Not quite
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: jmccaskill on June 01, 2014, 05:24:50 pm
A valid reason to one person is probably not a valid reason for another person. I think it way to soon to know just what all the ramifications are that will show up in those places that already have legalized it.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 02, 2014, 06:18:18 am
I have pretty much said my piece on weed...whether it be biblical or my own views and experiences with it.

I am also used to seeing the ignorance of others in the world on the drug and also their burnt out minds.

I could care less what others think how i feel on all matters when i see where their hearts are!If there werent others here that can discern where i was coming from i wouldnt participate here.

As i said in one other topic,the love of the greater number has already cooled off in this world...why not here?

Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 02, 2014, 06:24:04 am
Proverbs 26:11 sums it up for those here without me mentioning who they are....

As a dog returns to his vomit,so a fool repeats his foolishness.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on June 02, 2014, 08:52:09 am
Quote
Obvious troll is obvious, not feeding anymore, clicking ignore.

Good call. For the record, he's a crazy Jehovah's Witness, and unfortunately they're pretty much all like this-- IRL trolls!

Quote
Anyone come up with a valid reason yet?

You and I both know you will not find one.

So we're all in support of it being legalized and whatnot. Be sure to check out your political official's stance on the issue and vote in whoever has logical ideals like legalization.

Haha, yeah. What's worse,  someone privately smoking in their house or someone going door to door trying to push a religion down people's throats?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 03, 2014, 12:11:05 pm
hitch's favorite comedian would tell "knock knock" jokes.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: alice44 on June 03, 2014, 12:19:46 pm
I don't like that so many moral &/or ethical decisions are becoming political issues. 
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 03, 2014, 12:40:25 pm
Are you sure about that Sigmapi?

You always seem to need some kind of proof for everything!!

Maybe you need proof why you always need proof?
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 03, 2014, 01:02:43 pm
Interesting....killing 2 birds with one stone!!

"The White House admitted that Vice President Biden's endorsement of gay marriage forced him to come out in favor of it. So in a related story millions of Americans are trying to get Biden hooked on pot." –Conan O'Brien
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sigmapi1501 on June 04, 2014, 10:54:54 am
Why aren't more JW's food delivery people???  I mean they are gonna be knocking on the door anyway.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: hitch0403 on June 04, 2014, 12:48:27 pm
Math 4:4

King James Bible
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: lvstephanie on June 04, 2014, 01:51:01 pm
Math 4:4

I knew there's a book called Numbers, but I didn't know about Math... :D
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: jmccaskill on June 04, 2014, 04:56:52 pm
I don't favor the legalization of pot, society just does not need another set of problems like those associated with the abuse of alcohol. However I tend to be pretty libertarian on peoples freedoms to destroy their own body with just about any means... provided in doing so it does not have deleterious impact on others. I guess the issue for me is really in just how the legal system is to handle those that do create problems with its use... whatever
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: Zalnar on June 04, 2014, 05:45:59 pm
I don't favor the legalization of pot, society just does not need another set of problems like those associated with the abuse of alcohol. However I tend to be pretty libertarian on peoples freedoms to destroy their own body with just about any means... provided in doing so it does not have deleterious impact on others. I guess the issue for me is really in just how the legal system is to handle those that do create problems with its use... whatever

Marijuana doesn't have anywhere near the same problems associated with alcohol, all the lies/propaganda aside, almost every problem associated with marijuana is actually due to the prohibition of marijuana. There is a famous quote stating, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Unfortunately, this has occurred with many people's views on Marijuana, which began with the short film called "Reefer Madness".
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: king4cash on August 30, 2014, 07:22:07 pm
Marijuana should be removed from the criminal justice system and regulated in a manner similar to alcohol and tobacco.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: mrrangerrick on August 30, 2014, 07:57:51 pm
I think it makes people stupid. I mean, people who are "high" aren't coherent and the smell is sickening. I don't mind if it's legalized, but users should be restricted to use it in the confines of their own home. Also, anyone caught Driving Under the Influence should be treated the same as if they were under the influence of alcohol.
Title: Re: Legalization of marijuana
Post by: sarabtrayior on September 04, 2014, 05:37:04 am
I want to wait until is is legal everywhere... I don't want to go to jail for smoking a joint...