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Okay...this might seem like a morbid topic but it's time to discuss it, anyway.
Right to Die is a law that is being considered by a few different US states; including, Connecticut. It would be the option for terminally ill patients who have 6 months to live......
to request a prescription where they could be euthanized. We've had this option for our beloved pets; however, until now....this option has been unavailable for human beings.
Okay...we all understand what suicide is. This is different; in that, it would be considered a medically assisted suicide option.
How do you feel about this being an option for yourself or your loved ones?
I'm giving this law a big green light for the following reasons:
1 - Enough is enough. People know when it's time to be free from their physical body.
2 - People deserve to hang on to their dignity. I don't want to live so long that someone has to "spoon feed" me or change my diapers. Once again, enough is enough.
3 - Trying to keep everyone alive when they've lost "quality of life" is just plain silly. If you're waiting at the airport with someone who is flying you wouldn't hang on to them, in a way that....they end up missing their flight.
I believe that God gave everyone "free will" so it's important that we allow EVERYONE to exercise their free will when it's time to make their exit.
I respect everyone's point of view. Please feel free to express yourself where this issue is concerned. :heart:
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Hello! :D :wave: Wow this is a really deep topic! :o My opinion is it is your life! You alone can determine when to exit this reality. So if you think it is time to go! :) :angel11: Then it is time to go! :) :angel11:
Not many people can choose when it is time to go. When given the chance take it. However it is difficult to determine when the quality of life is to low? Some people don't mind being feed and wearing diapers. For instance after a life of hard work. It feels good being taken care of. Everybody have their preference. :D :)
Anyway thank you for this interesting topic! A lot of people don't want to talk about death! :) :angel11: .
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In Gods eyes euthanizing someone is killing them.Killing is a sin.
You can make them comfortable in other ways without killing them.Let them die naturally.
Job was miserable and a man of integrity and wanted to die but didnt cause it and good for him that he didnt because he proved the devil a liar by keeping his integrity and was rewarded 10 fold for doing so.
Proverbs 17:17New International Version (NIV)
17 A friend loves at all times,
and a brother is born for a time of adversity.
Yes God gave us all freedom of choice but there is also a wise way of using it in HIS eyes!
If your ill friend will be a burden then obviously you dont agree with Prov 17:17
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Sometimes, Science is corrupt!
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I believe it should be the individual's choice. But, as for me I believe "where there is life; there is hope"!
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I believe only God has the right to take a life. :peace:
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:) No.
The right to life or death is not in your hands.
You were not given a choice when you were born and where you were born. Neither do you have a choice on when you should die. That is decided by God.
If you only have 6 months to live, then hold on for another 6 months. Not trying to sound callused or cold, just think we would never have enough information to make the correct decision.
It makes it just one step closer to euthanizing older Americans.
Life is precious. We need to leave it alone. :)
Oldfriend
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Terri Schiavos' body was kept alive in a vegetative state for 15 years, while the family fought it out in court. Even the governor got involved.
Nobody won except the doctors and the lawyers.
Keeping someone alive medically because "God chooses when it's our time to die" is obscene.
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I agree. It's your life, nobody else's. Nobody understands your pain, your suffering. If you have a terminal illness that guarantees no quality of life, then you should be able to decide whether or not you want to continue living.
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Okay...this might seem like a morbid topic but it's time to discuss it, anyway.
Right to Die is a law that is being considered by a few different US states; including, Connecticut. It would be the option for terminally ill patients who have 6 months to live......
to request a prescription where they could be euthanized. We've had this option for our beloved pets; however, until now....this option has been unavailable for human beings.
Okay...we all understand what suicide is. This is different; in that, it would be considered a medically assisted suicide option.
How do you feel about this being an option for yourself or your loved ones?
I'm giving this law a big green light for the following reasons:
1 - Enough is enough. People know when it's time to be free from their physical body.
2 - People deserve to hang on to their dignity. I don't want to live so long that someone has to "spoon feed" me or change my diapers. Once again, enough is enough.
3 - Trying to keep everyone alive when they've lost "quality of life" is just plain silly. If you're waiting at the airport with someone who is flying you wouldn't hang on to them, in a way that....they end up missing their flight.
I believe that God gave everyone "free will" so it's important that we allow EVERYONE to exercise their free will when it's time to make their exit.
I respect everyone's point of view. Please feel free to express yourself where this issue is concerned. :heart:
If you want to end your life then by all means do so. Don't be such a wuss about it though. Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. No one can or will stop you. Don't try to get a doctor to write you a script that will kill you. Because no matter what the law of the land says he is guilty of murder in the eyes of God. Or save your meds up and take the whole bottle at once and don't do it and then call 911 screaming for them to come rescue you.
And yes, God gave everyone "free will". But you aren't suppose to use that to end your life. Or anyone else's.
@Paints - There is a difference in taking drugs and ending your life AND you should have died but you were hooked up to a machine that kept your body going. You can sign a DNR at any time. You can state that you do not want to lie in a vegetated state hooked up to a machine. That is not the same thing as you are alive and you don't want to deal with life any more so you take meds that will kill you.
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I agree. It's your life, nobody else's. Nobody understands your pain, your suffering. If you have a terminal illness that guarantees no quality of life, then you should be able to decide whether or not you want to continue living.
And you can. Just don't involve a doctor. There are many ways to kill oneself. I know people personally who have done so. And they didn't ask a doctor to do it for them. I think any doctor that has a part of that will be guilty of murder in God's eyes.
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I'm with you on this one. To me this is no different than having a "Living Will." In that type of Will you can specify whether or not extraordinary measures should be taken to save your life. I agree that we should abide by a person's "last wishes," and if this is one of them, I would, too. Even though I would be thinking how much I would miss this person (just as we do with our loving pets), I can't let my feelings stand in the way of what this person feels is best for THEM.
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I think everyone should be given a choice.
I have seen horrible deaths of cancer that clearly the person was in agony & drugged so much on morphine, the only people who were benefitting was the hospital making money of them. If we can euthanize animals to be human, it should be the same for people. Just like one person signs a DNR order if they code not to be resuscitated. They are asking to let them just die.
If one is religious, they can opt out.
If one is not religious, well they have a choice.
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Okay...this might seem like a morbid topic but it's time to discuss it, anyway.
Right to Die is a law that is being considered by a few different US states; including, Connecticut. It would be the option for terminally ill patients who have 6 months to live......
to request a prescription where they could be euthanized. We've had this option for our beloved pets; however, until now....this option has been unavailable for human beings.
Okay...we all understand what suicide is. This is different; in that, it would be considered a medically assisted suicide option.
How do you feel about this being an option for yourself or your loved ones?
I'm giving this law a big green light for the following reasons:
1 - Enough is enough. People know when it's time to be free from their physical body.
2 - People deserve to hang on to their dignity. I don't want to live so long that someone has to "spoon feed" me or change my diapers. Once again, enough is enough.
3 - Trying to keep everyone alive when they've lost "quality of life" is just plain silly. If you're waiting at the airport with someone who is flying you wouldn't hang on to them, in a way that....they end up missing their flight.
I believe that God gave everyone "free will" so it's important that we allow EVERYONE to exercise their free will when it's time to make their exit.
I respect everyone's point of view. Please feel free to express yourself where this issue is concerned. :heart:
If you want to end your life then by all means do so. Don't be such a wuss about it though. Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. No one can or will stop you. Don't try to get a doctor to write you a script that will kill you. Because no matter what the law of the land says he is guilty of murder in the eyes of God. Or save your meds up and take the whole bottle at once and don't do it and then call 911 screaming for them to come rescue you.
And yes, God gave everyone "free will". But you aren't suppose to use that to end your life. Or anyone else's.
@Paints - There is a difference in taking drugs and ending your life AND you should have died but you were hooked up to a machine that kept your body going. You can sign a DNR at any time. You can state that you do not want to lie in a vegetated state hooked up to a machine. That is not the same thing as you are alive and you don't want to deal with life any more so you take meds that will kill you.
My dad died of cancer in 1979. He was told he had 6 months, at the most. With treatments, that might or might not work, they could, maybe, give him a year. But it would be a year spent in the hospital, for the most part.
He made the choice to die with dignity, at home, rather than being hooked up to machines that simulate life, but isn't.
It was his choice to make.
His doctor sent him home with morphine for the pain.
He died as he lived, on his own terms, at peace with himself and God.
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I 100% support right to die. If someone chooses to end their suffering, it's the least they are owed.
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God’s Kingdom—A Government With No Corruption (2 occurrences)
(Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30) Even when Jesus was being tortured to death, he was so determined to maintain his integrity that he refused a drug that would have dulled the pain but might also have left him without full command of his senses.
I think we lose fact that Jesus cried out to his father,"why have you forsaken me"This shows the pain and suffering must have been great.
If one is suffering to that point God would understand drugs used as medicine for comfort would be justified.A gun to ones mouth and blowing your head offf.......i dont think so!!
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Wow what a touchy subject to talk about. Too touchy to say really. Your judged anyway.
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that is a dangerous slope ::)
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I really have mixed feelings. It certainly seems like the humane option for folks that are already dying. I just hate to see the government get into such a personal matter, one way or another.
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i think everyone who is terminal should have the right to choose when they die. my aunt by marriage has ms. in the 10 short years that i have known her she has gone from a woman who was able to care for herself walk talk eat to a woman who has to sit in a motorized chair in a nursing home she is only 52 she can barely eat can barely talk cannot use her hands or lower body at all. she has chosen to no longer do any medical treat such as the next step of ventilation and tube feedings. this is her right she has made the choice and i commend her on it.
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i believe people don't have the right to terminate their own lives. it is suicide. God says so.
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This is a touchy subject. I think it is a personal choice if you are terminally ill.
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People should have that right considering how unguaranteed life can be. Living on is ideal but living a life in vain to some is pointless.
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OK, I am Catholic so for the spiritual way of thinking, God is the one that decides when you should go. As for the personal decision it is your choice, if you want to terminate before God takes you then that is your decision and you will respond to your maker when you go, but I do not agree with the Government trying to tell me what I can and cannot do, the same goes for abortion.
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The Right to Die law is a great idea and people should have the right to end their discomfort.
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Each person has the right to choose if he/she needs to end their life due to terminally ill conditions,
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Well it's a decision that should lye in the hands of the individual. Keep in mind if someone pulls the cords from your tubes etc. they cause your demise because it was not involuntary.
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i think it's only right if the person will live a life of great pain should have that choice!
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Every person has the right to choose.
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i think if thats what the person wants or would want then its fine,,,,,,
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If you want to commit suicide why advertise it? If I had a painful terminal illness I'd probably consider it depending on my much pain I am in and how much my quality of life is affected. I'd take some pills or something.
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I don't know how I feel about this...... never connected it to free will because the bible says that each man has been appointed a time to die - I can imagine how some people would feel like they would want to just get it over because they are in pain and misery. I don't know if I could say what I would do or if I believe its alright for us to decide for ourselves rather than leaving it up to God.
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This is the way I feel about the "right to die". Please, "do not kill me" because it is my life. And you "do not have the right" to take my life.
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I agree with you. I think people should be free to end their own lives if they want to, so long as they don't attempt to bring anyone else down with them. In a lot of these mass shooting cases, it appears that the shooter doesn't expect to survive the incident (they expect cops to kill them), but they are taking out other people along with themselves, which makes the what is essentially suicide by cop wrong.
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Although spiritually I believe that this is wrong -- a sin against God -- and thus would not make this choice. However this is a free country and as such, I think that this too should be a freedom that no one should be able to take away from the individual. Perhaps have laws set up strict rules about how doctor assisted suicides can be conducted, such as having the patient sign some legal document (like a living will), a mental check to ensure that the patient is in their right-mind when making the decision, and having the patient perform the actual act (the doctor can prescribe the euthanizing drugs, but it'd be up to the patient to choose to take those drugs) so that the doctor's hands are clean.
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As long as the "right" is given to the terminally ill patient ONLY and not to a family member or other person, I'm all for it.
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I believe that only God has that right to take our life when he chooses.
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i think everyone who is terminal should have the right to choose when they die. my aunt by marriage has ms. in the 10 short years that i have known her she has gone from a woman who was able to care for herself walk talk eat to a woman who has to sit in a motorized chair in a nursing home she is only 52 she can barely eat can barely talk cannot use her hands or lower body at all. she has chosen to no longer do any medical treat such as the next step of ventilation and tube feedings. this is her right she has made the choice and i commend her on it.
Making a choice to stop medical treatment is not the same thing as the "right to die" where you get a script from a doctor that you shoot into your IV that will kill you. I know more than one person who either refused dialysis or decided to stop dialysis. And they died within a few days of total renal failure. That is not the same thing people are talking about when they talk about the "right to die". If you are over 18 and of sound mind you have the right to refuse medical treatment.
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If you want to commit suicide why advertise it? If I had a painful terminal illness I'd probably consider it depending on my much pain I am in and how much my quality of life is affected. I'd take some pills or something.
I agree with this as well. Remember the woman who had cancer or something and was going to die on THIS date. She moved to a state where she could make it happen. The weekend before she went on some last trip with her husband and then it was all over the internet she wasn't going to do it but wait and of course the internet explodes with comments. She did end up killing herself on that date she planned. But it's insane to advertise to the world you are going to kill yourself and make it so public.
I know a man I had known for years that had cancer. I had heard he was getting worse. A couple of years ago he shot himself. He didn't tell anyone. He just decided he didn't want to fight anymore and he ended his life. No involving any one else.
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS? It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you do something opposed to your wishes. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
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dr, death dude, did he himself die?
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS. It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?
OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS. It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?
OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!
On issues such as this, we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that God will understand suffering and choosing to have a cocktail administered that will end that suffering with dignity. So be it...
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god is a title.The TRUE God Jehovah wouldnt approve of your poisonous cocktail.
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god is a title.The TRUE God Jehovah wouldnt approve of your poisonous cocktail.
What does that mean the "true" God? Are you saying that YOUR God is better than the very SAME God that another person might believe in, but calls him by a DIFFERENT name? There is only ONE God. Not looking to start a ruckus, I'm just curious what "true" means on your eyes.
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I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.
If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.
And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??
As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!
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Blacksheep
KJV Psalms 83:18 doesnt answer your question...........
not sure what will
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“This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: ‘I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. In a place of concealment I spoke not, in a dark place of the earth; nor said I to the seed of Jacob, “Seek me simply for nothing, you people.” I am Jehovah, speaking what is righteous, telling what is upright.’” (Isaiah 45:18, 19)
You can go on and on but even after God rescued Israel from slavery some still went to false worship!!Think about that!!God opened up the Red Sea and saved them and still some worshipped golden calves.
Judas a disciple of Jesus betrayed Him!!What an honor but greed and selfishness got to him.
So i dont think honestly Blacksheep this will satisfy you.But this witness isnt about debating or just pleasing you even tho i hope you do get something out of it!!
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I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.
If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.
And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??
As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!
Hmmm, ok. I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.
My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.
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So God sees begotten son Jesus being humiliated,tortured etc...and we all know the God loved the world so much scripture right?
Yes.....i understand what you mean about your child needing something a Dr might prescribe that may go against bible.Is man right all the time?Are there blood substitutes that have worked and are safer?
Is there a hope if we obey?
Those are questions you should ask.The child could die even with the tranfusion too.Again it comes down to obeying man or God.Peter said we must obey God as rler rather than man when it came down to that.Many subjected themselves to being jailed,tortured.
Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son for God too.Whats that tell you?
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I agree with you. I think people should be free to end their own lives if they want to, so long as they don't attempt to bring anyone else down with them. In a lot of these mass shooting cases, it appears that the shooter doesn't expect to survive the incident (they expect cops to kill them), but they are taking out other people along with themselves, which makes the what is essentially suicide by cop wrong.
It's not suicide by cop. Either they are going to kill themselves anyway or they don't and no the cop doesn't kill them as long as they cooperate with being arrested. Suicide by cop is when you do something like point a gun at a cop knowing they will fire at you and they fire to kill.
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Although spiritually I believe that this is wrong -- a sin against God -- and thus would not make this choice. However this is a free country and as such, I think that this too should be a freedom that no one should be able to take away from the individual. Perhaps have laws set up strict rules about how doctor assisted suicides can be conducted, such as having the patient sign some legal document (like a living will), a mental check to ensure that the patient is in their right-mind when making the decision, and having the patient perform the actual act (the doctor can prescribe the euthanizing drugs, but it'd be up to the patient to choose to take those drugs) so that the doctor's hands are clean.
That is how it is but the doctor's hands are not clean. The person cannot get the drug without the doctor giving it to them. So he is guilty.
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS. It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?
OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!
Exactly!
I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.
If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.
And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??
As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!
Hmmm, ok. I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.
My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.
That does not make sense. If it is by your own hand then God does not take you. You make the choice to end your life. Someone said earlier they believe God understands. Do you not remember Job? What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross? Pain we could not even imagine. Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die. Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.
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god is a title.The TRUE God Jehovah wouldnt approve of your poisonous cocktail.
I see you are very self-righteous, as many religious zealots are. But I'll leave you to believe as you do. Simply let me alone to believe in my way. Thank God America has religious freedom, even the right to NOT believe if that's someone's philosophy. And please, quote no more scripture at me. What I've learned about the Bible is there are many passages which can be construed in different ways. So let me interpret in my own fashion, as once again, I do you.
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS. It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?
OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!
Exactly!
I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.
If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.
And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??
As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!
Hmmm, ok. I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.
My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.
That does not make sense. If it is by your own hand then God does not take you. You make the choice to end your life. Someone said earlier they believe God understands. Do you not remember Job? What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross? Pain we could not even imagine. Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die. Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.
How would we, as mere humans, KNOW that it WASN'T God's plan to take these people? Sure, it may not have been a "natural" death, but even babies die in utero or soon after birth. Was that God's plan, or was that something that Mother or Doctor did? We'll never know. When God says it's your time, it may not be pretty, but you're going, anyway.
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Janice when you say "Thank god"america has freedom of religeon,remember to thank YOUR god.Jehovah doesnt accept "freedom of religeon".What right does man have in deciding how OUR creator wants to be obeyed,served etc??I am not sure you have children,but if you did i dont think youd want them laying down the law to you and your hubby.Jehovah started the human race off out of love and didnt deprive them of anything.All he wanted was for them to love and obey him.And satan threw a monkey wrench into it and A&E showed their true colors.But God lovingly allowed the human race to come forth because HE knew that part of the offspring would love and obey HIM after Jesus ransomed the human race back by dying for us!!
Instead of referring to me as "self righteous"why dont you just confess you dont support the bible because everything i have referenced for you from it.I am a sinner like anyone else,but i am grateful to Jehovah and the discreet slave class that i have been taught bible truths!You mock bible truths but out of formality ill bet you put you hand on a bible in a courtroom cos the good ol USA has brainwashed many that God is just only with us!!!TRuly a joke.That same bible in book of Acts says that God isnt partial and accepts everyone that does righteousness in HIS eyes!
Blacksheep the bible says,time and unforseen occurrence befalls us all.People that died in recent California shooting were in wrong place wrong time.Babies may die for many reasons.Also remember penalty of sin was death so it can happen anytime.God trys no one with evil says bible.Our lives are NOT predestined.
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This is my last post on this subject. Hitch, you prove your religious zealotry...that only you believe in the one true God and your interpretation is the one and only interpretation. You know nothing about my beliefs. I believe that God allows for a variety of love along a continuum. He does not mind being called God, Allah, or what have you. He just wants loving, kind people who do their best and try to do no harm to others. That is MY belief.
You need to get on a site where they debate religion. Such a site would be the appropriate forum for these long diatribes and quoting Scripture, trying to proselytize others. Other than the manner in which you push your beliefs, you seem to be a fine guy from your other posts I have read.
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We didn't decide when we were born or should we decide when to die.
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This is my last post on this subject. Hitch, you prove your religious zealotry...that only you believe in the one true God and your interpretation is the one and only interpretation. You know nothing about my beliefs. I believe that God allows for a variety of love along a continuum. He does not mind being called God, Allah, or what have you. He just wants loving, kind people who do their best and try to do no harm to others. That is MY belief.
You need to get on a site where they debate religion. Such a site would be the appropriate forum for these long diatribes and quoting Scripture, trying to proselytize others. Other than the manner in which you push your beliefs, you seem to be a fine guy from your other posts I have read.
Simple.......you dont support bible......you support and wanna decide what Janice believes is good and bad or truth.
EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION
This expression has reference to the fact that Jehovah does not tolerate any rivalry, the worship of any other gods. The Hebrew word qan·naʼʹ is used only of God; it means “exacting exclusive devotion; jealous.”—Ex 20:5, ftn; see JEALOUS, JEALOUSY.
God will not transfer to another the honor due himself. (Isa 42:8) To depart from exclusive devotion to him would incur the heat of His zealous anger. (De 4:24; 5:9; 6:15) Israel was regarded as being married to Jehovah. As a husband, Jehovah claimed exclusive devotion, loyalty, fidelity from Israel. He would be zealous, full of ardor in her behalf, in her defense. (Eze 36:5) Conversely, disobedience, going after other gods, would be adultery, thereby meriting Jehovah’s righteous anger and his jealousy for his own name.—De 32:16, 21; Eze 16:38, 42.
Janice i am not out looking to debate you or any others.Again its very simple.You either support bible as Gods word or dont.Many examples how Jehovah feels about being God almighty.The Alapha and Omega.NO other gods before him.Creator of universe and all living things.He makes it clear HE will NOT share that with any other false god.HE told Moses what HIS name was and waht it meant.I assure you when Egypt saw themselves buried by the Red Sea they knew God almighty was Jehovah.Jesus goes on to say,I have made your name known the only true God and the one you sent forth Jesus Christ.
You can decide for yourself what you want.This started because you said,god wouldnt mind for a terminally ill person drinking as poisonous cocktail.I told you Jehovah wouldnt agree to that.I am not sure who you think god is but HE does care very being compared to other false gods.Also remember Lords prayer says,"Hallowed be thy name!"
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS. It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you not do as you need. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to.
Exactly what Satan told Eve.....decide for yourself whats good and bad.You dont need God.6000 yrs later and seeing the world as it is today....duhh.....not a good decision eh?
OH BTW......Satan also told Eve she wouldnt die either!!!
Exactly!
I will even take it 1 step furthur.The eating of blood is NOT supported thru-out bible.How many times have people been told without a transfusion they would die.There are blood substitutes that may help and disease has been spread thru transfusion as well.
If one dies faithfully to Gods command i think it would be easy to know they wold be remembered in resurrection for their faithfulness.
And you wanna compare this analaogy to a poisonous cocktail??
As i said earlier,god is a title.When you use the word god you are not referring to Jehovah!
Hmmm, ok. I understand this is your belief, but you have to admit how terrible other people might see something like having a sick child whose life would be saved by a blood transfusion, yet the parents of this child see it differently and would leave their child to suffer tremendous agony and ultimately, die, when there really was no logical reason for it.
My personal belief is that God will take you when it's your time - whether that is by your own hand or otherwise.
That does not make sense. If it is by your own hand then God does not take you. You make the choice to end your life. Someone said earlier they believe God understands. Do you not remember Job? What about Jesus and what He suffered on the cross? Pain we could not even imagine. Also like the people who died recently in the mass shootings I do not believe that it was "their time" to die. Some idiot had free will and HE and SHE chose when those people would die.
How would we, as mere humans, KNOW that it WASN'T God's plan to take these people? Sure, it may not have been a "natural" death, but even babies die in utero or soon after birth. Was that God's plan, or was that something that Mother or Doctor did? We'll never know. When God says it's your time, it may not be pretty, but you're going, anyway.
You can believe what you want. But it is not God's plan for these idiots to go into places like a school or movie theater and shoot the crap out of the place. God gave them free will and this is what they choose to do. Not God's plan although He does allow it to happen. God's plan was for Adam and Eve to continue on in perfectness in the Garden of Eden but their free will chose otherwise.
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Honestly i believe anyone has the right if theyy are that sick. I would not want to live in that misery. I could imagine how they feel. With my health issues i am going yhrough misery. To know your fate. I would want those who care about me to be there before i said googbye to the world.
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This is my last post on this subject. Hitch, you prove your religious zealotry...that only you believe in the one true God and your interpretation is the one and only interpretation. You know nothing about my beliefs. I believe that God allows for a variety of love along a continuum. He does not mind being called God, Allah, or what have you. He just wants loving, kind people who do their best and try to do no harm to others. That is MY
You need to get on a site where they debate religion. Such a site would be the appropriate forum for these long diatribes and quoting Scripture, trying to proselytize others. Other than the manner in which you push your beliefs, you seem to be a fine guy from your other posts I have read.
Janice 1 last thing and i am NOT trying to beat a dead horse here.
First off thanks for saying my "other posts"were ok!!
Lets get 1 thing straight here.Jehovahs people are in 236 lands...they are a worldwide brotherhood obeying Jesus command to preach Gods kingdom and the truth.There are millions that agree to this.I am not the only 1.
Pilate asked Jesus,what is truth?Jesus never answered him because he knew Pilate really didnt care what the answer was.Jesus told his followers when others arent interested to kindly leave.There are many that read this forum and when i put bible truths up i always hope at least 1 understands.
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The whole issue revolves, once again, around free will and individual choice. Ever seen a person die of some cancers or ALS? It can be a horrific ending. Because you believe in a strict view of Scripture or have a view of God that is not mine, let me do what I need and want to and I won't require that you do something opposed to your wishes. Get out of my life is all I can say...and others like me who may want to make this choice. This is another issue that I, myself, will resolve with God and you won't have to. ]
Wow. Such anger. Put a gun to your head and pull the trigger. No one is stopping you. I don't recon it is against the law to kill yourself. It is just not a law that a doctor can give you drugs that will kill you.
Anger? Wow, once again you misconstrue. The topic is the Right to Die and I am simply endorsing Compassionate Choice. I am simply tired of others' opinions when it is about an individual and their rights of choice over their own body and circumstances. I am saying to be concerned with your own situation and take care of it as you see fit. I will take care of mine!!! And actually, if you research, there are some states where it is legal for a doctor to provide drugs to as terminally ill patient if both want this to happen. The voters of those states wanted it so!!!
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This topic reminds me of a joke.....
Dr asks his patient why he keeps hitting himself over the head with a hammer.....
Patient replies,"cos it feels good when i stop"!!
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I do think it should be up to the person, and or the right time when that happens.