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I' sorry, going vegan doesn't interest me at all. I would get bored quickly and revert back to fried and baked chicken. I have cut back on beef. I love veggies but to eat everyday? Nope.
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there is nothing enticing about it
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My youngest daughter is a vegetarian and she lives by it consistently. She wouldn't eat meat if you put the most enticing steak or pork chop in front of her. However, I want to eat what I want when I want! I will say that I have been eating less red meat for the past 4-5 years. I also love dessert!!
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I have a friend who is 100% and has nothing ever that had or has eyes or a mother.
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I guess it works for some people. I eat plenty of fruits and veggies and maybe a spoonful of meat. I only started eating this way in the last 5 years and enjoy it.
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I pretty much eat what I want. Yes, if I think about it then eating meat can make me kind of sad. There are some things I won't eat. I ate veal once then when I found out what it was I have never ate it again.
Some people want to be critical of me drinking milk. SO I say eat what you want and unless the person is eating human flesh don't worry about what others are eating.
I don't eat a lot of fruits or veggies. I also don't eat a lot of meat. I am fixing to eat some Perogies with bacon bits and cheese sprinkled on top. Good Stuff!!!
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Vegan or vegetarian. I would not eat a dead animal that has been unnecessarily sacrified
when there are other food options for your personal diet. Would you like to have one of
your kids sacrified for food. Think about it!
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i eat keto...some protein but mostly veggies...gave up fried foods long ago...not vegan though...
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I think one's reasons for going vegan keeps them resilient in their quest; health and/or love of animals usually trumps taste.
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I think our bodies actually need protein. Vegans are usually excellent at seeking out alternative sources. I have vegan meals sometimes but I wouldn't consider myself vegan because I do it moreso on a feel like it basis and am not committed.
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Let animals live because they have rights too.
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I have no problem with anyone who wants to live the vegan lifestyle, but I would have a tremendous problem if someone tried to 'force-feed' it on me or attacked/belittled me for not converting to their life decision. Thankfully that has never happened to me personally one on one.
My wife and I went out to dinner last night and I had just about the best steak I've had in several years. She had steak also and she is a bigger steak lover than I am. I feel neither sorry nor ashamed for enjoying it.
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I have tried being vegetarian several times in my 65 years not because of the reasons most people are but because I have been "funny" about meat ever since I was young. But I always revert back to eating meat in some form and I could never be vegan which I find the ultimate restrictive way of being a vegetarian.
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I,myself don't like enough vegetables to become vegan.
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I have meatless Tuesdays and Fridays. Sometimes I give blood on Wednesdays or Saturdays and you would be surprised how much meat clots up your veins! Ever since I chose to go meatless, two days of the week, I have no problems and my blood flows fast. I have eaten meat all of my life but eat red meat as more of a treat or celebration (accept Hamburgers-Love those). I can not say that I feel a huge difference or any cleaner but it definitely makes a difference with my blood. I make up for the lower protein on the other five days of the week and attack just about any, and all, junk food on Saturdays and Sundays. I'll load up on salad, hummus, fruit and vegetable casseroles on my meatless days and can hardly notice that there is meet missing.
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It's really not that bad it can definitely be a good thing ive researched and seen some people doing it I would try it for a while but maybe you should just try being mostly vegan :P
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There's nothing bad about vegan. I could be become one since I do eat meat and seafood. I also eat veggies with it.
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Vegan is not for me but to each their own. I have a niece who is vegetarian but even as a kid she always preferred veggies.
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geezee I can't agreed I will crave the meat.
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I would love to go vegan, but my husband cooks dinner most of the time. I personally never cook with meat and only buy vegetarian or vegan pre-made/frozen food. I would love to eliminate dairy, as I'm lactose intolerant anyway. I have been thinking of trying out some plant-based "cheese" recipes. I felt so much better health-wise when I was 100% vegetarian.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
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I respect veganism for whatever reason you want to do it, just don't try to shove it down my throat. I don't think I could stick to it very long myself, veggies would get too boring.
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I eat a lot of vegetables, especially in the summer and fall, when I get get them from my garden or the Farmer's Market. I eat fish and chicken on occasion, and red meat once in a great while. I'm not opposed to meat. I just don't eat a lot of it.
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i like chicken too much to be a vegan
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i honestly think i could be one...i do not like meat...the smell of it sometimes makes me sick
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I'm a lot like you. I would get bored of eating vegan all the time. Plus, I can't eat peanut products due to my food allergies. That's makes it harder to get protein, so continuing to eat meat helps that out. However I try to limit my red meat intake and eat vegetarian meals every once in a while, but that doesn't always happen.
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Tried it once did not like the food and just gave up right away since I can't stand the taste.
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I' sorry, going vegan doesn't interest me at all. I would get bored quickly and revert back to fried and baked chicken. I have cut back on beef. I love veggies but to eat everyday? Nope.
I was watching an online video yesterday and she cooks vegan. She said she could fix a vegan dish and "you won't be able to even tell it is vegan". I Just shook my head. YES I can tell. Kind of like the big portabella mushrooms and some people eat those as a hamburger and say you can't tell the difference. Uh yes I can tell the difference in a mushroom and a slab of beef.
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i like chicken too much to be a vegan
Me Too. Love chicken
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I think it's a personal choice on what you want to eat. You will run into deeply spiritual people who fully believe it's not just the mind that must be 'cleansed' to be healthy/get into heaven etc. but the body as well and 'you are what you eat' which makes animals or putting meat into one's body is 'unclean'. Honestly, I don't think any God will deny someone access to a 'good place' when you die if you've eaten meat. I don't think you will be unhealthy just by eating meat. I think if you try to be the best person you can, humble, kind, helping, and giving your soul is clean, your mind is healthy so eat what you want.
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I work out so never will I eat just vegan
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I love my vegetables... but it would be hard to be vegan if I don't know the right foods to eat
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
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Vegan or vegetarian. I would not eat a dead animal that has been unnecessarily sacrified
when there are other food options for your personal diet. Would you like to have one of
your kids sacrified for food. Think about it!
Your attitude is why so many people have a bad attitude toward people who are vegan or vegetarian. You do not want to be judged for what you eat but think you have the right to judge somebody else for what they eat.
God put animals on the Earth for people to eat. If you do not want to eat meat that is fine. But you do not have the right to condemn others for choosing to eat it.
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I have meatless Tuesdays and Fridays. Sometimes I give blood on Wednesdays or Saturdays and you would be surprised how much meat clots up your veins! Ever since I chose to go meatless, two days of the week, I have no problems and my blood flows fast. I have eaten meat all of my life but eat red meat as more of a treat or celebration (accept Hamburgers-Love those). I can not say that I feel a huge difference or any cleaner but it definitely makes a difference with my blood. I make up for the lower protein on the other five days of the week and attack just about any, and all, junk food on Saturdays and Sundays. I'll load up on salad, hummus, fruit and vegetable casseroles on my meatless days and can hardly notice that there is meet missing.
I do not eat a lot of meat. I cannot afford steak. I do eat chicken or fish sometimes. But nobody has a right to tell me what to eat. The red meat is really bad for you.
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I would love to go vegan, but my husband cooks dinner most of the time. I personally never cook with meat and only buy vegetarian or vegan pre-made/frozen food. I would love to eliminate dairy, as I'm lactose intolerant anyway. I have been thinking of trying out some plant-based "cheese" recipes. I felt so much better health-wise when I was 100% vegetarian.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Do you eat potatoes?
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
Some countries do eat cat. And dog. And they frown on eating cow. So I guess people need to mind their own and not worry about what others eat. Unless they are trying to eat YOUR pet or start eating people.
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I would love to go vegan, but my husband cooks dinner most of the time. I personally never cook with meat and only buy vegetarian or vegan pre-made/frozen food. I would love to eliminate dairy, as I'm lactose intolerant anyway. I have been thinking of trying out some plant-based "cheese" recipes. I felt so much better health-wise when I was 100% vegetarian.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Do you eat potatoes?
Seriously?! I don't even know how to respond to that.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
Some countries do eat cat. And dog. And they frown on eating cow. So I guess people need to mind their own and not worry about what others eat. Unless they are trying to eat YOUR pet or start eating people.
Ok, so why is it no big deal to eat animals, but it's tragic if an animal eats a human? Humans are so arrogant.
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I have never tried to be, and I don't have the desire to even try! I love my meat too much!
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I respect everyone's right to eat whatever way the prefer. ME, I am not much a vegetables lover to go vegertarian/vegan. I like some vegetables and fruits but not all of them, I hate cauliflower for example, also cannot eat cantaloupes.
I try not to eat much red meat, even though I love it, chicken several times a week and seafood sometimes.
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I am not vegan and have no desire to eat that way. I do not eat a lot of meat, but fairly small portions, on occasion love a good steak. I do love vegetables especially fresh from my garden.
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I would love to go vegan, but my husband cooks dinner most of the time. I personally never cook with meat and only buy vegetarian or vegan pre-made/frozen food. I would love to eliminate dairy, as I'm lactose intolerant anyway. I have been thinking of trying out some plant-based "cheese" recipes. I felt so much better health-wise when I was 100% vegetarian.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Do you eat potatoes?
Seriously?! I don't even know how to respond to that.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
Some countries do eat cat. And dog. And they frown on eating cow. So I guess people need to mind their own and not worry about what others eat. Unless they are trying to eat YOUR pet or start eating people.
Ok, so why is it no big deal to eat animals, but it's tragic if an animal eats a human? Humans are so arrogant.
You are free to eat what you want. You are NOT free to tell me what to eat. And I have never said anything about an animal eating a person. Most times it is because the person is being stupid so no big deal.
Like I stated previously, people who are vegan want to say they are disliked for being vegan. No, they are disliked for being critical of people who do eat meat. God put animals on the Earth for man to eat. He told Noah to take 7 of the clean animals in to the ark FOR THEM TO EAT.
People in different parts of the world eat different animals. muslims don't eat pig but have no right to tell me I cannot eat bacon. Same with jews. Or religions that don't eat cow. I can eat what I want to and everyone else can eat what they want to.
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I would love to go vegan, but my husband cooks dinner most of the time. I personally never cook with meat and only buy vegetarian or vegan pre-made/frozen food. I would love to eliminate dairy, as I'm lactose intolerant anyway. I have been thinking of trying out some plant-based "cheese" recipes. I felt so much better health-wise when I was 100% vegetarian.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Do you eat potatoes?
Seriously?! I don't even know how to respond to that.
I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
Some countries do eat cat. And dog. And they frown on eating cow. So I guess people need to mind their own and not worry about what others eat. Unless they are trying to eat YOUR pet or start eating people.
Ok, so why is it no big deal to eat animals, but it's tragic if an animal eats a human? Humans are so arrogant.
You are free to eat what you want. You are NOT free to tell me what to eat. And I have never said anything about an animal eating a person. Most times it is because the person is being stupid so no big deal.
Like I stated previously, people who are vegan want to say they are disliked for being vegan. No, they are disliked for being critical of people who do eat meat. God put animals on the Earth for man to eat. He told Noah to take 7 of the clean animals in to the ark FOR THEM TO EAT.
People in different parts of the world eat different animals. muslims don't eat pig but have no right to tell me I cannot eat bacon. Same with jews. Or religions that don't eat cow. I can eat what I want to and everyone else can eat what they want to.
I never once told you or anyone else not to eat meat. I have asked questions that no one has yet answered. I said that I feel guilty eating meat, because there is no difference between eating a pig or a dog or a human baby. We are all living sentient beings that suffer and feel pain and generally don't like to be murdered.
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I never once told you or anyone else not to eat meat. I have asked questions that no one has yet answered. I said that I feel guilty eating meat, because there is no difference between eating a pig or a dog or a human baby. We are all living sentient beings that suffer and feel pain and generally don't like to be murdered.
And that is fine. For the MOST part I do not eat a lot of meat. But I do eat it at times. I do not feel bad about it.
I guess if I really think about it I would. The comment about the potatoes was suppose to be a joke. But you got all bent out of shape over it. You said you would never eat ANYTHING that had eyes. Potatoes have eyes. lol
You sound like the same one yelling at me on Pinterest saying I am a murderer because I eat meat. See that is the problem she is vegan and gets all butthurt is anybody says anything about that. But she is trying to shove her life style on me saying I need to eat and be like her.
Have also had people yell at me for drinking milk or eating cheese. That is why I say eat what you want and don't worry about what anybody else eats. Unless they are eating YOUR pets or other people then don't worry about it.
To answer your question - I do not see eating meat as murder. It is not the same. Animals are not people. Although most people in the world today elevate animals way above people.
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Again, I never told you what you can and cannot do. I'm not shoving any lifestyle on you. I'm not even vegan. I was just stating my beliefs on the subject. You're the one getting defensive. I think it's hypocritical to say it's ok to kill one living being and not another. If you don't agree, that's fine. But if you can state your opinions, so can I. You say you eat meat and you don't feel bad about it. Then you say if you really thought about it, you would feel bad. That's the thing. I have thought about, and I think about it often. I'm allowed to care about animals and their well being. I'm sorry if my compassion offends you.
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I never once told you or anyone else not to eat meat. I have asked questions that no one has yet answered. I said that I feel guilty eating meat, because there is no difference between eating a pig or a dog or a human baby. We are all living sentient beings that suffer and feel pain and generally don't like to be murdered.
And that is fine. For the MOST part I do not eat a lot of meat. But I do eat it at times. I do not feel bad about it.
I guess if I really think about it I would. The comment about the potatoes was suppose to be a joke. But you got all bent out of shape over it. You said you would never eat ANYTHING that had eyes. Potatoes have eyes. lol
You sound like the same one yelling at me on Pinterest saying I am a murderer because I eat meat. See that is the problem she is vegan and gets all butthurt is anybody says anything about that. But she is trying to shove her life style on me saying I need to eat and be like her.
Have also had people yell at me for drinking milk or eating cheese. That is why I say eat what you want and don't worry about what anybody else eats. Unless they are eating YOUR pets or other people then don't worry about it.
To answer your question - I do not see eating meat as murder. It is not the same. Animals are not people. Although most people in the world today elevate animals way above people.
Again, I never told you what you can and cannot do. I'm not shoving any lifestyle on you. I'm not even vegan. I was just stating my beliefs on the subject. You're the one getting defensive. I think it's hypocritical to say it's ok to kill one living being and not another. If you don't agree, that's fine. But if you can state your opinions, so can I. You say you eat meat and you don't feel bad about it. Then you say if you really thought about it, you would feel bad. That's the thing. I have thought about, and I think about it often. I'm allowed to care about animals and their well being. I'm sorry if my compassion offends you.
lol I am not being any more defensive than you are. You opinion does not matter to me one way or the other. You seem to not be able to carry on a conversation. You get upset by what I say. lol
I had a hamburger for lunch. Did not feel bad about it at all. I do not feel bad about eating meat.
Yes, if you set and watched a documentary about killing animals it might bother me a little but not enough to stop eating meat.
I don't care what you do and I do not care what you eat. But you seem offended by me saying that "vegans in general" do shove their opinions on others. I did not say YOU do. I said most people who are vegan do shove their opinion down my throat. Tell me I am a murderer and wrong for eating meat.
The problem with people today is they cannot handle someone having a different opinion. Nobody seems to be able to carry on a conversation and discuss things without getting mad. If you want somebody to see your side find a less condescending way to say things.
I will admit I have eaten veal one time. I did not know what it was. After I found out I have never ate it again.
I don't know why but I see a difference. If all I can eat is the few veggies that I like and things like pasta I am going to die of hunger. I have friends who hunt and eat the meat they kill, I have friends who raise beef cattle to have food to eat through out the year. I do not judge them nor condemn them for eating the animal they raised from a baby. But a lot of people who are vegan do. Like I said, I have been ruthlessly attacked on Pinterest by some idiot vegan who does not even know me but hates me because I said I eat hamburger and drink milk.
The thing is you do seem defensive and also condescending. When you say someone is guilty of murder if they eat meat you are going to ruffle feathers. Find a better way to say it and you might be able to convince people to see what you are saying. But you can't start it with saying they are a murderer.
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I'm not being defensive, and I'm not upset. I was just stating my views and asking some questions. You didn't have to reply to my comments.
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
No I would not eat my cat. Yes I would happily eat a hamburger or a steak. To be quite honest, I don't believe cats would taste very good and I have no real desire to try it. But cows, pigs, and chickens taste really good (in my opinion) and so I choose to eat them. I don't eat their eyes, but I do eat other parts. My dad used to LOVE to eat pig's feet, but I could never bring myself to try those.
So I still see no correlation between my cat and a cow (or a pig or chicken) all having eyes and because I won't eat a cat (not because it has eyes, but because I have no desire to eat a cat) that I should likewise not eat a cow that also has eyes. It is just a nonsensical argument.
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
No I would not eat my cat. Yes I would happily eat a hamburger or a steak. To be quite honest, I don't believe cats would taste very good and I have no real desire to try it. But cows, pigs, and chickens taste really good (in my opinion) and so I choose to eat them. I don't eat their eyes, but I do eat other parts. My dad used to LOVE to eat pig's feet, but I could never bring myself to try those.
So I still see no correlation between my cat and a cow (or a pig or chicken) all having eyes and because I won't eat a cat (not because it has eyes, but because I have no desire to eat a cat) that I should likewise not eat a cow that also has eyes. It is just a nonsensical argument.
I don't know what's confusing about this. My point is that everything that has eyes had a mother and is a sentient being - a cow, a pig, your cat, my dog, your child. We all feel the same feelings, love, attachment, pleasure, excitement, grief, pain, suffering. If you slit the throat of a dog, it's a felony. If you slit the throat of a pig, it's dinner. Why is it acceptable to take one animal's life and not another's? Why does that pig's right to live mean nothing?
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I don't think I would ever consider going vegan and would struggle to become a vegetarian to be honest. I admit I have a hefty sweet tooth and love fried chicken, burgers and pizza a bit too much to be able to transition to going to a diet that denied me being satisfied. I do eat salads, but eating them everyday would probably not be something I could ever get used to. I think the only way I would consider veganism is if I was forced to for health reasons. Venus Williams has a syndrome that makes her tired all the time and became vegan to extend her career and help her feel better. I would do it if only for a reason like hers.
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I had a dream a long time ago that I was eating a burger, and it had my dog's eyes in it. Every time I eat meat, I think of my burger looking back at me, and it makes me feel like a horrible person. I think, if you wouldn't eat your own pet, you shouldn't eat anything that ever had eyes. :(
Aside from a dream that you had (and we all dream really weird stuff sometimes) what is the correlation between my cat and a cow and the fact that they both happen to have eyes?
Would you eat your cat? Why is it ok to eat one and not the other?
No I would not eat my cat. Yes I would happily eat a hamburger or a steak. To be quite honest, I don't believe cats would taste very good and I have no real desire to try it. But cows, pigs, and chickens taste really good (in my opinion) and so I choose to eat them. I don't eat their eyes, but I do eat other parts. My dad used to LOVE to eat pig's feet, but I could never bring myself to try those.
So I still see no correlation between my cat and a cow (or a pig or chicken) all having eyes and because I won't eat a cat (not because it has eyes, but because I have no desire to eat a cat) that I should likewise not eat a cow that also has eyes. It is just a nonsensical argument.
lol. I agree. I saw chicken feet at Walmart the other day. I was like WHO eats this? Gross. Someone told me it is popular among hispanics.
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I don't know what's confusing about this. My point is that everything that has eyes had a mother and is a sentient being - a cow, a pig, your cat, my dog, your child. We all feel the same feelings, love, attachment, pleasure, excitement, grief, pain, suffering. If you slit the throat of a dog, it's a felony. If you slit the throat of a pig, it's dinner. Why is it acceptable to take one animal's life and not another's? Why does that pig's right to live mean nothing?
It's not so much that it's "confusing" as it just isn't a valid argument in my 'eyes'.
There is a difference between a human and an animal; there is a difference between a pet and something that is raised for the purpose of being someone else's food. There is a difference between the evil that causes someone to torture another living thing or to violently kill and dismember it with no intention of consuming it and the humane slaughter of livestock for consumption.
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I AM EATING CHICKEN RIGHT NOW! lol
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I don't know what's confusing about this. My point is that everything that has eyes had a mother and is a sentient being - a cow, a pig, your cat, my dog, your child. We all feel the same feelings, love, attachment, pleasure, excitement, grief, pain, suffering. If you slit the throat of a dog, it's a felony. If you slit the throat of a pig, it's dinner. Why is it acceptable to take one animal's life and not another's? Why does that pig's right to live mean nothing?
It's not so much that it's "confusing" as it just isn't a valid argument in my 'eyes'.
There is a difference between a human and an animal; there is a difference between a pet and something that is raised for the purpose of being someone else's food. There is a difference between the evil that causes someone to torture another living thing or to violently kill and dismember it with no intention of consuming it and the humane slaughter of livestock for consumption.
Humans ARE animals. We are all in the animal kingdom. There is only a difference between a pet and an animal raised for food because humans decided there is. But that argument doesn't work. Like Countrygirl said, other countries eat dogs, but it's illegal to eat a dog in the US. There are still parts of the world that eat humans. Can I raise human babies for consumption?
What is "humane" slaughter? That's an oxymoron.
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What is "humane" slaughter? That's an oxymoron.
Not at all. There are humane ways to kill animals meant for consumption and there are acts of violence when someone kills a dog only for the purpose of inflicting pain while killing the dog. Those are two completely different actions. One is perfectly moral and the other is sinfully immoral.
Purposely inflicting pain and suffering and taking delight in such depraved action is not the same thing as a quick and (hopefully) painless death prior to being processed in a meat packing plant.
Humans ARE animals. We are all in the animal kingdom. There is only a difference between a pet and an animal raised for food because humans decided there is. But that argument doesn't work.
Sure it does. Let's start with your premise that humans ARE animals. Yes - in the qualification you make afterward - humans technically are part of the animal kingdom; therefore, biologically they are animals. But you basically imply that humans are no different than or no more important than other animals. This is spiritually and scientifically untrue. There is a higher level of sentience, intelligence, awareness, reason, morals, ethics, sophistication (and on and on) in humans. By definition and nature, they are not equal.
The rest of the animals are here to serve different purposes. Some are companions, some are beasts of burden, some are protein sources. We are obligated to take care of the other animals and to not kill or hurt them for violent or immoral motives (see my point above). But we are also wired for self preservation (as many of the other members of the animal kingdom are). Many animals (including humans) can be both predator and prey depending on the situation. We all need to eat and to keep from being eaten. If it comes down to a choice between me and a cute fuzzy little bear - I choose to preserve me - sorry about your luck little bear. (Certainly it is more than just my choice depending on the circumstances - cute little bear would likely make the alternate choice if given the option).
Humans and their evolutionary predecessors were carnivores by nature. We still are carnivores. Some may choose to go vegetarian or vegan, but that is still a choice. That does not all of a sudden render it immoral for the rest of us to decide to continue our tens of thousands of years nature to eat other animals to survive.
The choice to kill and eat pigs and cows and chickens rather than cats and dogs is also a longstanding societal construct tied in with our carnivore nature and the relationships we have developed for centuries and millennia with dogs and cats and the roles played by other farm and wild animals. This isn't someone in 2019 deciding: "hmmmm should I eat Fluffy or should I eat that piggy or should I just skip it and have a peanut butter sandwich?"
Like Countrygirl said, other countries eat dogs, but it's illegal to eat a dog in the US. There are still parts of the world that eat humans. Can I raise human babies for consumption?
I understand sarcasm, so I will not take this last question seriously.
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There are humane ways to kill animals meant for consumption and there are acts of violence when someone kills a dog only for the purpose of inflicting pain while killing the dog. Those are two completely different actions. One is perfectly moral and the other is sinfully immoral.
The definition of "humane" is characterized by tenderness and compassion. You cannot kill something with tenderness and compassion, except in the case of euthanasia, and in such case the animal cannot be used for consumption.
Let's start with your premise that humans ARE animals. Yes - in the qualification you make afterward - humans technically are part of the animal kingdom; therefore, biologically they are animals. But you basically imply that humans are no different than or no more important than other animals. This is spiritually and scientifically untrue. There is a higher level of sentience, intelligence, awareness, reason, morals, ethics, sophistication (and on and on) in humans. By definition and nature, they are not equal.
This can be considered an outdated and anthropocentric view. There are thousands of scientific studies on non-human animal sentience, intelligence, etc. The animal world is much more complex than we give it credit for, mostly because we do not yet understand it. Yes, I believe humans and animals are equal. Is each species unique? Absolutely. But uniqueness doesn't mean superiority. But let's suppose humans are superior in intelligence, ethics, sophistication. Why are we still slaughtering "lesser" beings? It doesn't sound very ethical or moral to me. We are not primitive men anymore, hunting and foraging for food in order to survive. Just because we did something a hundred or a thousand years ago doesn't mean it's right to continue it. We also used to burn "witches" and marry our cousins and keep slaves. Now we have the ability to not only grow our own vegetation, but even create food in a science lab. There is no reason to continue to cause suffering and harm when we have the knowledge and technology to eliminate it. That is where our "superiority" falls short.
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Awesome, I agree meat for me.
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The definition of "humane" is characterized by tenderness and compassion. You cannot kill something with tenderness and compassion, except in the case of euthanasia, and in such case the animal cannot be used for consumption.
If you want to argue semantics, that's fine, but in doing so you are ignoring my point entirely.
There is a difference between (a) killing for pleasure and taking some sort of sick high out of causing pain and suffering; versus (b) killing for food and self preservation.
I chose to make that distinction by using the term "humane". If you want to dissect a specific definition of that word and use that as your argument against my position, then there is no point in my attempt at clarification.
This can be considered an outdated and anthropocentric view. There are thousands of scientific studies on non-human animal sentience, intelligence, etc. The animal world is much more complex than we give it credit for, mostly because we do not yet understand it. Yes, I believe humans and animals are equal. Is each species unique? Absolutely. But uniqueness doesn't mean superiority. But let's suppose humans are superior in intelligence, ethics, sophistication. Why are we still slaughtering "lesser" beings? It doesn't sound very ethical or moral to me. We are not primitive men anymore, hunting and foraging for food in order to survive. Just because we did something a hundred or a thousand years ago doesn't mean it's right to continue it. We also used to burn "witches" and marry our cousins and keep slaves. Now we have the ability to not only grow our own vegetation, but even create food in a science lab.
I respect your opinion, but still disagree. Humans and animals are not equal, but if you believe otherwise, then there is no way I am going to change your mind. I'd do just as well to try changing the instinctive carnivorous nature of a lion or tiger or bear, OH MY! Not going to happen. Which ties in to my main point about carnivorous humans.
You make it sound like we can just flip an internal switch and turn off the instinctual craving for meat protein and completely replace that with chemically processed fake laboratory food. Good luck with that effort. It sounds remarkably similar to the ideas of a certain bartender turned congresswoman with a 12 year ticking doomsday clock who thinks we can eliminate all car and air travel and stop all the world's cows from farting and destroying our atmosphere. But it is not that simple. (And if we stop eating all the cows, there will be even more cow farts to deal with!)
I'll give you this much. If we are eventually able to develop synthetic lab meat that acts and tastes and cooks exactly the same as the real thing... maybe we have a chance to wean ourselves off of real meat over the span of 20,000+ years (maybe even 10,000 if we really put our minds to it). But it is a bit shortsighted to suggest that from Monday to Tuesday we can overpower instinct with intellect simply because some people believe eating natural protein is offensive. I mean no disrespect in saying this - it is hard to express that idea in written format without sounding like a condescending pompous *bleep*. That it not where I am trying to come from but I fear it might be what I am projecting.
I think the incest, witch burning, and slavery analogies are comparing apples to oranges. Do we have skeletons in our historical closets? Absolutely. Do we grow and evolve? You bet! But you can't just lump in all historically wrongful actions and blindly equate those to eating meat. Slavery is wrong, plain and simple. Incest is both immoral and a bad genetic idea. Witch burning was close minded fanaticism and bigotry. There is nothing inherently evil about eating a chicken.
This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3QEkfvWkbs) will probably open up more cans of worms than it solves, but it is an interesting take nonetheless...
There is no reason to continue to cause suffering and harm when we have the knowledge and technology to eliminate it. That is where our "superiority" falls short.
So let's analyze this a bit. The entire planet stops eating meat 100%. In the span of just a few years, the population explosion from the unfettered reproduction of the pigs, cows, and chickens alone would be devastating. Alternatively, look at deer hunting... (something that I do not do and have never done, but fully support the right of those who do) - what would happen to the deer population if left unchecked? Aside from those who would starve to death or get mangled on highways during mating season - deer would completely overrun the gardens where people are growing all of those much-more-worthwhile-to-eat vegetables. Then where would we be? All the vegans would starve from the food shortage (or more likely they would cease to be such self-righteous vegans). Of course, I am exaggerating to make a point...
Point is = if someone is vegan and chooses to live that lifestyle - God Bless you and good luck and have at it. But to heck with anybody who tries to self-righteously force that philosophy on me or to find fault with me because I say I will kill and eat a chicken but I will not kill and eat my cat. That conscious choice does not make any steak loving pet owner a hypocrite.
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I am not a vegan but do try to eat a salad everyday. We are eating less red meat and more chicken and fish. Vegetables and fruit are usually a daily part of our dinner.
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There is a difference between (a) killing for pleasure and taking some sort of sick high out of causing pain and suffering; versus (b) killing for food and self preservation.
Maybe the difference is apparent to you, but it isn't to me. Killing another being is causing pain and suffering whether you enjoy doing it or not.
...my main point about carnivorous humans.
Humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores. We have teeth for both tearing meat and grinding grains and plants. But look at your canine teeth compared to your cat's canines. You would have a tough time severing the spinal cord of your prey with your teeny little canines. That being said, cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they NEED meat to survive. Humans CAN eat meat, but don't have to. Eating meat is just as much a choice as eating a vegetable.
There is nothing inherently evil about eating a chicken.
I believe the chicken would disagree.
I'm not trying to argue. Like I said before, I'm not even vegan (yet). But it's something I think about a lot, because I swore an oath to care for animals and alleviate their suffering when I became a vet tech. Eating meat, to me, is in disagreement with that oath and with the code of ethics. I try to have intelligent discussions with people about it, but what it always comes down to is: I won't give up meat because it tastes good. That's pretty sad.
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I eat a well balanced diet including meat vegetables fruit and desserts
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Maybe the difference is apparent to you, but it isn't to me. Killing another being is causing pain and suffering whether you enjoy doing it or not.
Well you say you aren't trying to be argumentative (and I believe you), but it is impossible for me to try to explain this point any further without becoming argumentative myself, so I will just drop it here. We obviously see things differently on this point. I just view self preservation and nourishment different from psychotic pain infliction.
Humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores. We have teeth for both tearing meat and grinding grains and plants.
You got me there. I admit that I [unintentionally] mischaracterized it. We eat both meat and plants. (As do cats if you really want to split hairs). The point is that since the beginning of time, by nature, humans have been eating meat. It is still an instinctive and self-preservation driven action for humans to eat meat. I stand by my comment that it isn't as easy as flipping a switch to change this behavior. As I said, it may happen in 10,000+ years, but not overnight.
There is nothing inherently evil about eating a chicken.
I believe the chicken would disagree.
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I try to have intelligent discussions with people about it, but what it always comes down to is: I won't give up meat because it tastes good. That's pretty sad.
If you cannot understand (I'm not saying agree with but just understand) my first point about the difference between a malicious motive and a nourishment motive in killing an animal - then I wouldn't expect you to say anything different about killing chickens. So I am not conceding to you on this point - but I am realistic enough to know that I am not going to get you to see my perspective - or to be able to fully express it clearly in this forum.
I hope that we are having an intelligent conversation about this. There is more to it than just tasting good, although that is a big part of it. It does not make anyone less of a person to make the choice to eat a pig and it does not make someone a bigger person to make the choice to only eat vegetables. Intentional or not, this is the opinion I usually feel is projected upon meat eaters by vegan/vegetarians. If the vegan lifestyle is right for you, have at it. But it is not right for me and I do not see any moral dilemma in the lifestyle that I live.
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I am way too picky of an eater to be able to go vegan.
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I have thought about becoming vegetarian but never fully commited.
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Did anyone see on the news about the "beyond beef" (I think that is what it is called) Hamburger made totally out of plants and vegetables. Vegans could eat that, I would think.
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Did anyone see on the news about the "beyond beef" (I think that is what it is called) Hamburger made totally out of plants and vegetables. Vegans could eat that, I would think.
No but I just completed a survey about beef. lol
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I could never go vegan, but kudos to those who do it on the daily! I was vegetarian for awhile, but I ended up breaking it. I think I could do that again though but honestly I don't have an interest currently.
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I' sorry, going vegan doesn't interest me at all. I would get bored quickly and revert back to fried and baked chicken. I have cut back on beef. I love veggies but to eat everyday? Nope.
I am not vegan or vegetarian but I do try to eat healthy.
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I think vegan foods taste terrible. Whoever disagrees with me should ignore this post.
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I think vegan foods taste terrible. Whoever disagrees with me should ignore this post.
lol. Some of the veggie meats are not that bad. And some of them are completely horrible.