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What does one do with your broken Catholic statues?
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Didn't have this issue before. I will try to repair it if possible.
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I have no idea, not Catholic, my husband is but he has no idea. If it’s important to you I would ask your priest what you should do.
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Were the statues blessed by a priest or just store bought and put on display? If they are blessed, then they should be burned or buried when you are unable to repair them. If they are not blessed, then they can be discarded.
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True Christians today do not bow down to idols of any kind. (1 John 5:21) Crucifixes, prayer beads, and images of saints do not make the Creator more accessible. They cannot intercede in our behalf. In the first century, Jesus taught his disciples the proper way to worship God when he said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.”—John 14:6, 14.
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God directed his ancient people of Israel: “Do not follow the ways of other nations . . . The religion of these people is worthless. A tree is cut down in the forest; it is carved by the tools of the woodworker and decorated with silver and gold.” The people believed that such an image or idol was a help in worshiping God. Yet the Bible goes on to say: “Such idols are like scarecrows in a field of melons; they cannot speak; they have to be carried because they cannot walk. . . . they can do you no good.”—Jer. 10:2-5, Today’s English Version; Isa. 46:6, 7.
Often an image or idol is made in the form of a person. The image may be made from a tree, the wood from which can also be used to make a fire. The Bible says of a man who uses wood for both of such purposes: “With some of the wood he makes a fire; he roasts meat, eats it, and is satisfied. . . . The rest of the wood he makes into an idol, and then he bows down and worships it. He prays to it and says, ‘You are my god—save me!’”—Isa. 44:13-17, TEV.
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Catholics do not bow down to idols.
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Were the statues blessed by a priest or just store bought and put on display? If they are blessed, then they should be burned or buried when you are unable to repair them. If they are not blessed, then they can be discarded.
Its been so long ago and this statue was given to me so I don't know if it was blessed or not. I think I am just going to bury it though...thanks
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Catholics do not bow down to idols.
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YOU support bible?LOL!!!
Even with referenced scriptures you mock God.
I dont care if it rains or freezes,as long as i have my plastic Jesus,riding on the dashboard of my car.LOL!!!
Look at all the athletes that make sign of the cross or look towards the heavens after they do something good.
Are you on same planet as me?
The bible says Jehovah is a God of the living Not of the dead.He doesnt wanna be compared to a dead idol.He is a spirit.Worship with spirit and truth says Jesus.
If he was able to create this awesome universe,can you even imagine what his glory must look like?He told Moses no man could see him and live.Spirits can see him.NOT flesh and blood.
Quite an insult it is to him to be compared to dead idols.
I have also been in a catholic church the past yr and have seen many a person walk by the altar and give an act of worship to the idols.
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I just read in newspaper how President Carter said that he and his wife read bible everyday and he also supports gay marriage.
HUHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds similar to many who claim to support bible but DONT!!
I guess no big deal really in this world.....the pope wants to re-write the bible too cos he supports gay marriage.
Im puzzled.How do you support only SOME of the bible?
You have a fool here that blabbers how the vaccine is dangerous but probably supports giving blood.I guess no one ever died or got sick from a BT....LOL!!
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I hope you can fix it.
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Catholics do not bow down to idols.
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YOU support bible?LOL!!!
Catholics do not bow down to idols
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Catholics do not bow down to idols.
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YOU support bible?LOL!!!
Catholics do not bow down to idols
Next?I suggest you see an eye Dr
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There are a zillion of them hanging in there.That in itself is a mock.
Spirit and truth.
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Catholics do not worship statues or idols. Your church has fed you lies about the Catholic church and what those symbols represent. Your decision to believe those lies is not something I can undo or convince you otherwise. I accept that. I am here to simply tell you that they are not true. I do not expect you to change your mind, but I will continue to defend my faith against you and any others who attack it from a position of misinformation.
We've been on this merry-go-round many times before. And I do not mean to say this from a position of hostility. I have tried to not say anything which would be offensive to the JW position (and if I ever have or will in the future, I apologize for that), but just as you would not be silent if someone here spread what you considered false information about your church - I will continue to do the same when I see false misinformation being spread about mine.
Catholics do not worship idols or statues. When a Catholic bows to the altar or the tabernacle, it is not worshipping objects or idols. It is a sign of reverence to the presence of Jesus Christ.
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Im done after this.Tired repeating myself.
The scriptures are referenced.
I didnt write the bible,Jehovah did and Jesus and others back up what he said in the book.
Why do you think Satan sets up Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall?Cos he is jealous he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Satan has convinced the world to view Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall.Such an insult to what he really is.
The images are DEAD!!You dont need them to pray or speak to Jehovah.Just say the prayer in Jesus name without repetition cos U think saying the same things over and over will get U a hearing.
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Why would someone break catholic statues. How cruel.
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Im done after this.Tired repeating myself.
I know what that feels like...
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Why would someone break catholic statues. How cruel.
My assumption was that they were not broken intentionally, but that it happened as a drop/fall accident. I agree that breaking them intentionally is pretty offensive.
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What does one do with your broken Catholic statues?
I thought this post was going to be about big outdoor statues that are being brought down by protestors and rioters. It breaks my heart when someone puts their talent and their heart into creating something so beautiful only to be destroyed on a whim.
Oughta be a law. Oh, wait a minute; there is. It's just not enforced. I forgot. My bad. :confused1:
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Im done after this.Tired repeating myself.
The scriptures are referenced.
I didnt write the bible,Jehovah did and Jesus and others back up what he said in the book.
Why do you think Satan sets up Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall?Cos he is jealous he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Satan has convinced the world to view Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall.Such an insult to what he really is.
The images are DEAD!!You dont need them to pray or speak to Jehovah.Just say the prayer in Jesus name without repetition cos U think saying the same things over and over will get U a hearing.
Satan did not "set Jesus up in a cow stall." Satan had nothing to do with Jesus birth.
Jesus was born in a stable and laid in a manger per God's intent. He did have a lowly birth, but he was born a king. He was God and he was a man at the same time.
The things you say astound me on so many levels.
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Im done after this.Tired repeating myself.
The scriptures are referenced.
I didnt write the bible,Jehovah did and Jesus and others back up what he said in the book.
Why do you think Satan sets up Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall?Cos he is jealous he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Satan has convinced the world to view Jesus as a poor baby in a cowstall.Such an insult to what he really is.
The images are DEAD!!You dont need them to pray or speak to Jehovah.Just say the prayer in Jesus name without repetition cos U think saying the same things over and over will get U a hearing.
Satan did not "set Jesus up in a cow stall." Satan had nothing to do with Jesus birth.
Jesus was born in a stable and laid in a manger per God's intent. He did have a lowly birth, but he was born a king. He was God and he was a man at the same time.
The things you say astound me on so many levels.
You just astounded me.Jesus is Jehovahs begotten son.First born of ALL creation.
Jehovah is God.He is the alpha and Omega.Never had a beginning or will have an end.Jesus was born twice.1st directly created by Jehovah and then as a man.He died as a man and showed his mortality.TRUE God Jehovah doesnt die.He is endless.
You are so far offline its not even worth speaking to you either on this.
Try reading Psalms 83:18 and see what Gods name is KJV.
Jesus said the father is GREATER then i and when he was resurrected he said i am going to my God and your God.Was he talking to himself?LOL!!!
Stick with being a Trump suck-up.You dont know the bible.
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You are so far offline its not even worth speaking to you either on this.
See, I was just thinking about how very much "in line" she actually is.
Satan had nothing to do with Jesus birth.
Check :thumbsup:
He was God and he was a man at the same time.
Check :thumbsup:
The things you say astound me on so many levels.
I have to be honest here and do not intend to be insulting to Donnamarg by agreeing with linderlizzie, but... Check :thumbsup:
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God and man at same time?LOL!!!
So who resurrected Jesus...himself?LOL!!!
You guys obviously dont get the reference to comparing Jesus as a baby.Its so insulting and Satan loves that cos he knows he is king of kings of Jehovahs kingdom.
And i remind you all to read 2nd chaptor of Mathew to see how the nativity scene turned into a murderous spree from King Herod.Satan put the star in the sky to begin with.
Listen,most of the world is blinded by the devil thats why Jesus said the road was narrow to life and broad and spacious is rd to destruction.
You guys put things up that arent even in the bible.Xmas,Easter,Jesus being God,immortal soul on man,trinity,rapture.
Try getting a REAL bible study then maybe we can have a decent chat.
I have made your name known,the only TRUE God and the one you sent forth in Jesus Christ
This means everlasting life them taking in knowledge of you.
The father is greater then i.
When Jesus was asked the end of the Satanic system he said only the father knows.I or the angels dont know.
Just some scriptures to back up the truth RE Jesus not being God.He is Gods son and represented Jehovah.He was referred to as "The Word"
Math 24:14 this good news of the kingdom will be preached worldwide and then the end will come.
Jehovahs people are in 240 lands for 100 yrs sounding an alarm like Noah did what God will do.No other religeon can come close to fulfilling that scripture but them.They also display love among themselves refusing to go to war.They remain neutral in politics not running for an office.But they obey Jesus paying their taxes and being kind and obeying manmade laws that dont compromise Gods.
CHECKMATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Try getting a REAL bible study then maybe we can have a decent chat.
I am in A REAL bible study every single Saturday morning from 7:00 - 8:00. You are certainly welcome to join me anytime you are in Sandusky, Ohio.
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Try getting a REAL bible study then maybe we can have a decent chat.
I am in A REAL bible study every single Saturday morning from 7:00 - 8:00. You are certainly welcome to join me anytime you are in Sandusky, Ohio.
Im puzzled you call it a bible study cos as i mentioned earlier when you cross reference many of the things i mentioned,they are NOT to be found in the bible.And JW.org does.
Are you using another book?
Does it answer questions why are we here?Why do we die?What is Gods name?Why does God permit wickedness?For starters.
Do they pass a collection basket around?
So you know there are many different religeons in this world with many different teachings,even if they say they support bible.Not everyone of them can be right correct?Do you think a loving God would approve of all the lies,or does it make sense that the bible says the whole world lies in the power of the Wicked one that is the reason why?And it also says that Satan turns himself into an angel of light?
Im assuming you know these scriptures from your bible study.<sarcasm>
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Im a bit perplexed that Linder used the phrase she is astounded by what i support from the bible.
Doesnt she realize the JWs are a WORLDWIDE brotherhood that has been preaching the ONLY hope for mankind is Gods kingdom <government>for 100 yrs and they are 10 million strong?
They are quite loving,peaceful,honest and their reward for spreading Gods message is cos they love and obey Jehovah and Jesus.
If that isnt enuff they have the truth then God doesnt exist.
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Im puzzled you call it a bible study cos as i mentioned earlier when you cross reference many of the things i mentioned,they are NOT to be found in the bible.And JW.org does.
Are you using another book?
Does it answer questions why are we here?Why do we die?What is Gods name?Why does God permit wickedness?For starters.
Do they pass a collection basket around?
So you know there are many different religeons in this world with many different teachings,even if they say they support bible.Not everyone of them can be right correct?Do you think a loving God would approve of all the lies,or does it make sense that the bible says the whole world lies in the power of the Wicked one that is the reason why?And it also says that Satan turns himself into an angel of light?
Im assuming you know these scriptures from your bible study.<sarcasm>
We take the scripture readings for Mass that particular weekend and we discuss them in detail. We also discuss Catholic tradition and understanding initiated by Jesus when he commissioned St. Peter as the first pope and his other apostles as bishops. A tradition and papal succession which has been passed down for roughly 20 centuries to the present day Catholic church. Jesus instituting the Eucharist is another biggie for us Catholics. You've probably heard about that one as well - and then dismissed and explained it away in some fashion. That's fine. Have at it, but it is what I know and believe to be true.
You may choose to be sarcastic about my religion and its beliefs, but I take it quite seriously.
You criticize my church's interpretation of the bible and claim that we do not support YOUR version and YOUR interpretation of it, but like you say - if everyone can interpret it however they feel like interpreting it then it loses it's entire meaning. How am I to accept that your chosen interpretations of isolated phrases here and there out of the bible are superior to that of the Catholic church? The Catholic church has been interpreting the bible since day one and has held on to many other traditions dating back to the time of Christ. Charles Taze Russell started JW what - about 150 years ago? 150 years of a church started by some guy in Pittsburgh, PA (hey, I LOVE their football and hockey teams and wish that their baseball team would get something going at some point) versus 2000+ years of the church that was ACTUALLY STARTED BY Jesus Christ. Hmmm...? I don't say that to belittle you, but to explain my logic in selecting the much longer standing tradition and scriptural interpretation as what I choose to believe. Granted some of my motivation might be grounded in my own upbringing in the Catholic church, but I believe you said before you got your start there as well. I choose to stick with it. It MAKES SENSE to me. Your rhetoric quite frankly does not.
So I put a little bit more trust and faith in the Catholic interpretations and traditions than in those I hear from strangers on the Internet who spout off about all of the evils of the Catholic church but do not have basic understanding #1 about the real beliefs and doctrines of the Catholic church, but only an understanding of the lies they have been told about the Catholic church.
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The Pharisses had Jesus right in their presence and you know the deal with that.
I asked you a bunch of questions RE your teachings,you didnt answer 1 of them.
Your religeon and a bunch of others in this world support stuff thats NOT even in the bible.Wouldnt you think that was a red flag?
An identifying quality that Jesus said would identify his TRUE followers would be they have love among themselves.
You know as well as me how other religeons go to war and kill themselves.
Its up to you if you wanna check furthur.The JWs as you know are a worldwide brotherhood.I can assure you what is going on in Russia now that they have the backing of the whole world.Plus if you ever went to one of their meetings,conventions etc you would see they follow Jesus to the max.
Yes i was brought up a catholic.They made God sound like he was wicked.Punish me forever in hell fire for eating a ham sandwich on Fri?LOL!!!
When i went to mass as a child it was said in Latin.You didnt have a clue what was being said.They didnt answer questions Gods permission of wickedness in this world.The JWs broke down the bible for me and made me understand why.Plus i saw firsthand Gods people had love among themselves.
Thousands at Yankee Stadium for an assemble.Not a speck of trash on the ground.Get the point?
My overall impression of you in this forum is you seem to be a decent guy.I would bet you never had anything to do with Hitch0403 like Jedi and CG did.
I have my own problems in this world and know i am a sinner and have sinned in the past.BUT from when Hitch joined FC about 10 yrs ago to the present we can say every post we have supported JWs organization and always will.Yes i understand there has been some sarcasm and humor and other emotional stuff too along the line.But its been genuine always and when we might put something down to knock Babylon The Great,you for that matter dont take it personal.Some others get my ire cos of the way they present it to us.Im human to snap back.
Thank you.
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UGP 1 other thing.
You brought up Russell in the 1800s.They were able to pinpoint 1914 as the yr Gods kingdom was set-up in heaven and Satan and his angels were thrown out and confined to the earth with a woe that began.
WW I started and from from 1914 to the present the signs Jesus spoke of to identify the last days of this Satanic system began.History will back up everything Jesus said would happen in a generation but they wouldnt pass away.We are far into it now and the bible said Satan came down with great anger knowing his time was short.
A worldwide preaching work would also be done fulfilling Math 24:14 as well.
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https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20120801/When-Did-Jesus-Become-King/
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Why would someone break catholic statues. How cruel.
It fell and broke, I would NEVER intentionally break one ever !
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Your religeon and a bunch of others in this world support stuff thats NOT even in the bible.Wouldnt you think that was a red flag?
Not a red flag at all as far as I am concerned. I don't believe there is any line in the bible that specifically says "This is the only source of what is true and everything that exists as truth is spelled out in full and complete detail in these writings." That doesn't mean that sacred traditions outside of the bible are UNtrue or are satanic.
I asked you a bunch of questions RE your teachings,you didnt answer 1 of them.
I don't have all the "official" answers to all of the questions about Catholicism and I cannot always figure out exactly what you are asking because you tend to jump around from topic to topic with different vague references a lot. I am not an expert apologist. I don't think that makes my faith and opinions any less valid. Just because I don't have a satisfactory response doesn't mean that you win the debate. Do you get where I am going there? There are a lot of great explanations about what and how and why the Catholic Church believes online from people like Tim Staples and Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin (three guys who really explain things well on the Catholic Answers Live radio program). I cannot recite things as well as they do - or as you seem to do about JW.
Thousands at Yankee Stadium for an assemble.Not a speck of trash on the ground.Get the point?
I am missing the point here, actually.
Yes i was brought up a catholic.They made God sound like he was wicked.Punish me forever in hell fire for eating a ham sandwich on Fri?LOL!!!
People and systems evolve and change. I can tell you that there is nobody today in the Catholic Church who is going to condemn you to hell for eating meat on Friday. But the core beliefs are eternal and universal. The Eucharist for example.
My overall impression of you in this forum is you seem to be a decent guy.I would bet you never had anything to do with Hitch0403 like Jedi and CG did.
Thank you. I try to be. And I know that you do also. I never had any direct issues with Hitch0403, but just like with you - I try to understand, but also try to explain as best I can what my religion truly is and truly believes. Many of the impressions that you have stated about Catholics are simply based on misinformation. But to ask for specific scriptural proof of some of those beliefs - otherwise they are false and Satanic = is not going to get us anywhere because many of those beliefs are from sacred tradition and not printed in black and white in the bible. That does not make them invalid because as I said, the bible never says anywhere that everything MUST be in there for it to be true and valid.
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Ill take your post in parts UGP......
2nd Tim 3:16 says all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching,reproving and setting matters straight.IOW Jehovah wrote the bible and his instruction is for our benefit.Our rightful ruler but no one is forced to obey,we arent robots.Of course our lives will depend on it.He will not allow another rebellion like Satan and A&E did.He allowed it to go on to prove a point it would fail......and it has.
Catholic religeon never answered my question why God permits wickedness on earth.JWs did.Also explained why we died and what ransom was by Jesus and how we were put here to live forever and make earth a paradise and rebellion in Eden explained.And also book of Job how Satan challenged Jehovah.
1000s of JWs at assembly.Loving,peaceable and well behaved.
When i was a child eating meat on a Fri was a mortal sin punishable forever in hellfire when we died.Made God look evil. i know rules have changed on the fly now.EX Even the pope supports gay marriage now and this guy is supposed to be leader of Catholics?While the gay lifestyle has been more accepted today,God has said it will not be tolerated in his kingdom on earth.
Thank you
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God doesn't "permit" wickedness on earth, but He DOES permit free will. Some people (and some angels) choose to do wicked things due to free will. The Catholic church has always taught this.
The pope does not and has never said that he supports gay marriage. That is an absolute myth, but is being spread by many who are trying to say something different than what Pope Francis said.
I don't see any specific points in your other two paragraphs that are misinformed or posing a question. I don't disagree about the peaceful nature of JWs in general or that the scriptures are the inspired word of God.
This is by no means fully comprehensive nor does it answer all of your questions/objections, but this short 8 minute YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4) explains some of the history and theology behind the Catholic Church.
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God doesn't "permit" wickedness on earth, but He DOES permit free will. Some people (and some angels) choose to do wicked things due to free will. The Catholic church has always taught this.
The pope does not and has never said that he supports gay marriage. That is an absolute myth, but is being spread by many who are trying to say something different than what Pope Francis said.
I don't see any specific points in your other two paragraphs that are misinformed or posing a question. I don't disagree about the peaceful nature of JWs in general or that the scriptures are the inspired word of God.
This is by no means fully comprehensive nor does it answer all of your questions/objections, but this short 8 minute YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4) explains some of the history and theology behind the Catholic Church.
Allowed wickedness on earth.I never meant God supports wickedness if thats what u mean.God allowed slavery when he was against that and tried to run it more fair.Would permit be the same?Dont nit-pick.
If the pope just went to the bible RE gays it woulda been that simple if what he said was out of context.This jerk seems like he wants to re-write the bible.
Getting back to wickedness,God always gave ample time when he was being disobeyed for repentance too before he punished those that disobeyed.
Just like he is doing today what he plans on doing.He likened it to Noahs day.Noah preached and not many listened when only 8 survived the flood.As Jesus said the rd was broad and spacious to destruction starting with Christendom <Babylon the great>in Revelation being destroyed by worldly governments.
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Allowed wickedness on earth.I never meant God supports wickedness if thats what u mean.God allowed slavery when he was against that and tried to run it more fair.Would permit be the same?Dont nit-pick.
If the pope just went to the bible RE gays it woulda been that simple if what he said was out of context.This jerk seems like he wants to re-write the bible.
Getting back to wickedness,God always gave ample time when he was being disobeyed for repentance too before he punished those that disobeyed.
Just like he is doing today what he plans on doing.He likened it to Noahs day.Noah preached and not many listened when only 8 survived the flood.As Jesus said the rd was broad and spacious to destruction starting with Christendom <Babylon the great>in Revelation being destroyed by worldly governments.
Did you watch the video I linked? Just curious.
I was neither nit-picking nor saying that you meant something different. I was just answering your question about the Catholic position as I understand it with regard to wickedness in the world. God allows free will. Evil enters as a result of that free will.
The pope does not support gay marriage. You said previously that he does. He does not. Calling him a jerk who wants to re-write the bible doesn't really advance your argument. There are false news articles that claim the pope supports gay marriage. I am not equating the two - simply making an analogy - but there were many articles that made false claims about Donald Trump as well. I cannot compete with those stories with a slanted agenda.
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Never saw link
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RE the pope
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101996489
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What's Catholic? | Catholic Central (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4)
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What's Catholic? | Catholic Central (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_ITt5qaz4)
The God who sent us Jesus.Tsk tsk,never mentions his name.
Anyway im big on the Alan Parsons Project.You will be surprised i like this song.
https://youtu.be/7GUZ0I7LUq0
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Hey UGP i just realized a couple of things.
First you mentioned Sandusky,Ohio.You probably know why i say this but im surprised they never changed the name of the city/town.
Also i never said Satan had anything to do with Jesus birth,but indirectly he did.After the rebellion in Eden where he was responsible for A&E to sin Jehovah sent Jesus to earth to vindicate his name and to ransom the human race back to perfection.So even tho Linder doesnt have a clue to my bible posts im not sure where she got that from.But as i just said,Satan was indirectly respnsible for God to make provision to vindicate his name and save the human race from sin.Remember a perfect life for the perfect one A&E threw away is Gods justice.
We all know what John 3:16 reads.
But i expect some foolish retort from someone who doesnt have a clue and maybe by saying this now i hope i dont get one,so forgive me for again putting up the truth.<sarcasm as usual> ;)
For more clarification on this go read in Genesis when God sentences the serpent how he will put enmity between his seed <Jesus> and the serpent <Satan>How Jesus will bruise him in the head <the knock out blow>and satan will bruise Jesus in the heel <just wounding him> Genesis 3:15.First of all bible prophecys.After Jesus 1000 yr rein on earth with Gods kingdom ruling from heaven the part of Jesus bruising the devil in the head will be fulfilled.Satan put out of existence along with his angels and mankind that supported him.
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I just went to JW.org and in my previous posts i used the word indirectly.
BUT.....it looks like DIRECTLY can be correct.The name Jesus means Jehovah is Salvation and after A&E doomed the human race God immediately made provision when he sentenced the serpent.
YES Satan was responsible for what God did as well as A&E disobeying.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002921
And in an earlier link Jesus became king of Gods kingdom in 1914 when Satan and his angels were hurled out of heaven to the confines on the earth.
I thought i would bring this up too RE false religeon that teaches the hell theory.
Notice in book of Job how Satan is in heaven and God asks him where have you been and Job answers roving about in earth.
Also in Revelation where war breaks out in heaven and Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven to the confines of the earth.
Looks like he never made it to the hell that false religeon teaches.
It also says at end of Revelation with final test of mankind after Jesus 1000 yr rein that Satan who was abyssed is let loose again and deceives many again and then he is totally destroyed forever and put out of existence....along with those that are on his side.
So much for the hell theory that Satan has blinded many with to make God look evil.I always wondered that when i was a child and i thank Jehovah for letting me understand the truth.
1 last thing brought up too many times.Satan has insulted Jesus as a babe when his father made him KING of KINGS for his kingdom.You have some here that cant seem to grasp that.Its the same as worshipping an idol.Many scriptures have been put up here how God feeels about being ccompared to a piece of wood etc.
Doesnt it make sense?A God creating the MARVELOUS universe being compared as a good luck charm in the form of a dead piece of plastic.How would you like to be compared to cow manure?
I rest my case.
Oh BTW,Jehovah told Moses,"No man can see me and live".
Makes sense eh?Lets just use the sun how powerfful it is,what must he look like?
Oh yeh and then theres millions of other stars!!!!!
It shows you the ignorance what chrisendom is putting into others heads guided by Satan.
Oh and dont forget to read 2nd chaptor of Mathew about that cute nativity scene that turned into a murderous spree.
And yet you have some watching Xmas movies in July!!!Gimme a break!!
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I don't know either.