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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: Yesterday at 10:52:39 pm »Message ID: 1288913
The faulty logic comes in when any person other than the woman who is pregnant insists that she must stay pregnant.
Not your body, not your business.

Again, you don't seem to be getting the point that slaughtering an unborn life over convenience is what we're talking about. It's not a personal choice to allow murder, because that body is in the womb. It's still a life being taken. 

If the uterus is not in YOUR body, you have NO say.
 



So basically, by your logic Slavery wasn't a human rights issue either.

"Those slaves are not in YOUR plantation, you have no say."

It sounds pretty much like what you're saying to me.

After the last slaves were freed, women were still property. 
The patriarchal church has tried to keep it that way. 








Seems to me you've got an ax to grind with the Catholic Church. As someone who is not Catholic, this means nothing to me or my argument. My point is that you're not seeing the unborn as a person any more than slave owners saw their slaves as anything more than cattle.

And like slave owners, pro-abortioners don't want the problem of granting their victims humanity for the sake of convenience.

Just like it was easier to see slaves as less then human. Who wants the hassle of actually dealing with hiring workers to be paid and expect fair treatment and conditions? What an inconvenience, Right?



Ever hear of fruit of the poisonous tree? What do you think the Protestant denominations were protesting?

There are misogynists in every denomination.  Pedophiles and rapists too. 

Your analogy doesn't work, because the slave owner didn't carry the slave in their body.  By forcing women to carry to term, when it is not in her best interest, because of your beliefs, you count women as breeders.  Like cattle.  Or womb-slaves. 

Women own their bodies. 


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Off-Topic / Re: Extra money
« on: July 31, 2019, 09:10:02 pm »Message ID: 1286415
Just won $150 on a $5 scratch ticket.  WooHooo! :)

That's awesome!  Congratulations!

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Off-Topic / Re: Number of Tv's
« on: July 31, 2019, 09:05:50 pm »Message ID: 1286414
I don't have any.  I watch programs on my computer.

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Off-Topic / Re: Microwave or no Microwave
« on: July 30, 2019, 10:18:03 pm »Message ID: 1286260
I use my microwave a the time.  It doesn't heat up the kitchen as much as cooking on the stove does.

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Off-Topic / Re: Soda drinkers
« on: July 30, 2019, 10:09:28 pm »Message ID: 1286259
Do you stock up on sodas? Stores have sodas price at 3 cases for $11.00 (with a limit) and baskets are full. Do you do this? If so, how long does it take to drink 3 cases?   I don't drink sodas often. I may buy a 2 liter once every 6 weeks.

I do stock up when they're on sale.  My local grocer has them on sale every six months or so @ 5 for $10.  I'll buy 5 or 10, according to how much cash I have. 
That's enough to last me til they go on sale again.

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Off-Topic / Re: One day it will be YOU !! please be kind
« on: July 30, 2019, 09:57:05 pm »Message ID: 1286257
I help people whenever I can.  And I ask for help when I need it. 
Sometimes just offering to help can make someones' day.

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 24, 2019, 11:10:44 am »Message ID: 1285472
You are forgiven.   ;)

Thank you.  :D

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 23, 2019, 01:43:47 am »Message ID: 1285291

Every child has the right to be wanted, loved and cared for. 



But not the right to live...   :'(



The "right to life" was part of an admonition given to midwives by a pope.
That same pope that was so concerned about unborn fetuses covered up decades of child molestation by pedophile priests.
Condoned the breaking of women's pelvic bones instead of c-sections, because the "woman should have more children."
Condoned the forced abortion of the fetuses of nuns, who had been raped by priests. 

Forgive me if I think my moral compass is at least as finely honed.

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 21, 2019, 07:07:38 pm »Message ID: 1285132


You are absolutely 100% correct when you say that God doesn't require women to die in order to bear children.  I have no qualms about giving full agreement with that statement. In some cases that does unfortunately happen. But the flip side of your statement is also true.  God also doesn't require or intend that innocent babies die in order for their mothers to live a more comfortable and less stressed life which the inconvenient pregnancy would bring about as a result if brought to term. I don't suppose I could get your agreement on that opinion?

What you call "inconvenient pregnancy" can mean life or death. 
Last winter, a homeless woman and her newborn baby froze to death on a park bench. 
Should she not have been able to abort, before both lives were lost?

If the woman has no value, how much do we really care about her unborn child?


But you keep changing the parameters of the argument to suit your agenda and in the process make faulty assumptions of what I do or do not care about. I'm not able to justify my position to someone who keeps moving the goalposts.


With sincerity and unpatronizingly - may God bless you and your children, paints. I do not concede the argument to you, but I am not going to respond to your comment above which does not correlate in any way to what I said or the position I have consistently voiced.

The only agenda I have is to support women in the choices they make for their own lives. 
Every child has the right to be wanted, loved and cared for. 
Support the woman.

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 20, 2019, 09:01:56 pm »Message ID: 1285080
The faulty logic comes in when any person other than the woman who is pregnant insists that she must stay pregnant.
Not your body, not your business.

Again, you don't seem to be getting the point that slaughtering an unborn life over convenience is what we're talking about. It's not a personal choice to allow murder, because that body is in the womb. It's still a life being taken. 

If the uterus is not in YOUR body, you have NO say.
 



So basically, by your logic Slavery wasn't a human rights issue either.

"Those slaves are not in YOUR plantation, you have no say."

It sounds pretty much like what you're saying to me.

After the last slaves were freed, women were still property. 
The patriarchal church has tried to keep it that way. 







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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 20, 2019, 08:49:16 pm »Message ID: 1285078
The faulty logic comes in when any person other than the woman who is pregnant insists that she must stay pregnant.
Not your body, not your business.

Again, you don't seem to be getting the point that slaughtering an unborn life over convenience is what we're talking about. It's not a personal choice to allow murder, because that body is in the womb. It's still a life being taken. 

 
When the life that you can see-the woman-matters less to you than the potential life you can't, your opinion counts for less than nothing.

Are you being purposely obtuse? We've been talking about Abortion ON DEMAND. Not when the woman's life is at stake.

A human life is still at stake either way, but don't act like we haven't been clearly defining terms here.

On demand, without apology.  You don't know my life.  I am responsible to God for my choices.  Not to you, or anyone else.

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 20, 2019, 08:45:53 pm »Message ID: 1285076
Okay - well I didn't expect to change your mind anyway, but hopefully gave you something to think about.

As a woman who has gone through 2 life-threatening pregnancies and several miscarriages,  I have thought it through extensively.  Up close and personal.
Hi Paints.First off i am sorry you had those experiences.

Drs are NOT always right.We all have seen they can be wrong and i have seen a few malpractices in our family over the yrs.

May i ask were the 2 pregnancies aborted?

In Gods eyes if a woman is told she must choose between her and the child the matter lies with your decision.This isnt a matter of convenience as others have argued here.Ones conscience would come into play as well.

I know Jesus said the greatest love one can have for someone is to give their life.I am sure if faced with that many may find it difficult and i guess thats why we get 2nd opinions eh?

Neither were aborted, though the choice was always there if it became necessary.  I thank God that my doctor saw me as a whole human being rather than a walking incubator. 

God gave women the responsibility of bearing children.  He doesn't require us to die in order to do so.
I am glad it worked out that way.

Im sticking to my guns how God views it and as i explained to UG.I am glad you had a good Dr.There are 2 human lives involved here <as long as twins arent involved>....Life is precious in Gods eyes period for ALL.

There is one human life and one potential life involved.  The woman is life.  Take care of her.  The contents of her uterus is not your concern. 

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 20, 2019, 08:40:26 pm »Message ID: 1285075

When the life that you can see-the woman-matters less to you than the potential life you can't, your opinion counts for less than nothing.





Neither were aborted, though the choice was always there if it became necessary.  I thank God that my doctor saw me as a whole human being rather than a walking incubator. 

God gave women the responsibility of bearing children.  He doesn't require us to die in order to do so.



For what it's worth (and at the risk of getting your ire up again - which is not my intention), just to be clear - a mother's health being at risk is a much different issue than when pregnancy causes a financial crisis or having a baby will disrupt the mother's lifestyle or impose too big of a responsibility.


I know that your quotes above were directed at other thread comments not directly to me and I understand that I have no right to an opinion, but did you not get that point from my prior posts?  If so, I apparently need to do a better job of expressing myself.


The point I am trying to make here is that both lives matter. The mother's life does not matter any less and in many cases matters more - but when we are only talking about the mother's inconvenience then that DOES matter less than the baby's life.


In cases where there is no threat to the woman's health, the baby's life should be protected. In situations where the mother's health is at risk - medical treatment should be given to save the mother. If that can be done while saving the child also - that should be considered. (This is not a doctor's forced incubation, but counseling and options and informed consent). If termination of the pregnancy is the only way to save the mother I see nothing wrong with that choice.


You are absolutely 100% correct when you say that God doesn't require women to die in order to bear children.  I have no qualms about giving full agreement with that statement. In some cases that does unfortunately happen. But the flip side of your statement is also true.  God also doesn't require or intend that innocent babies die in order for their mothers to live a more comfortable and less stressed life which the inconvenient pregnancy would bring about as a result if brought to term. I don't suppose I could get your agreement on that opinion?

What you call "inconvenient pregnancy" can mean life or death. 
Last winter, a homeless woman and her newborn baby froze to death on a park bench. 
Should she not have been able to abort, before both lives were lost?

If the woman has no value, how much do we really care about her unborn child?



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Debate & Discuss / Re: Im Calling Police on you
« on: July 18, 2019, 12:31:47 pm »Message ID: 1284808
Cops have no obligation to protect you.   The "Protect and Serve"  written on their cruisers is just another empty slogan. 
I don't call the cops for any reason. 

Yes they do.  They take an oath.  It is more than just a slogan on their cars.

No. They don't.  Their 'oath' means jack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?mtrref=search.yahoo.com&gwh=F4D299F604DF6438FC5E9CFE608FE94C&gwt=pay


I do not click on links. But yes they DO take an oath.  I have friends who are police officers and when they are sworn in they DO take an oath.

Taking an oath mean nothing.  It's not what you say that counts, but what you do.

The link takes you to an article that tells you that the police went to court to prove that they have no obligation to protect anyone.   

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Debate & Discuss / Re: Abortion Ban
« on: July 18, 2019, 12:27:23 pm »Message ID: 1284807
Okay - well I didn't expect to change your mind anyway, but hopefully gave you something to think about.

As a woman who has gone through 2 life-threatening pregnancies and several miscarriages,  I have thought it through extensively.  Up close and personal.
Hi Paints.First off i am sorry you had those experiences.

Drs are NOT always right.We all have seen they can be wrong and i have seen a few malpractices in our family over the yrs.

May i ask were the 2 pregnancies aborted?

In Gods eyes if a woman is told she must choose between her and the child the matter lies with your decision.This isnt a matter of convenience as others have argued here.Ones conscience would come into play as well.

I know Jesus said the greatest love one can have for someone is to give their life.I am sure if faced with that many may find it difficult and i guess thats why we get 2nd opinions eh?

Neither were aborted, though the choice was always there if it became necessary.  I thank God that my doctor saw me as a whole human being rather than a walking incubator. 

God gave women the responsibility of bearing children.  He doesn't require us to die in order to do so.

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