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Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 07:46:52 pm »Message ID: 837224
I am not going to clutter the forum with explanations from The WatchTower online library.The scripture in Eccl 8:9 that man has dominated himself to his own injury should be enuff for honest hearted individuals to read the truth on the many issues in the world.

All there is is man and all we can do is attempt to get it right. Your gods prescriptions are in no way shape or form "right".

Briefly you bring up God condones slavery but didn't he hear the cries of Israel?

This is really your example? The time he killed crops, animals, and a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with this, to free, not all slaves, but just a particular group of slaves in a particular area? Really? He lays out how Israel can treat their foreign slaves and their Hebrew slaves, and this is your example of him not condoning slavery? Seriously? You're not joking?

The gay issue is just 1 of many things in this world where people will decide for themselves whats good or bad and NOT care what God feels about it....that's if they even think he exists.

They "gay issue" is in the same place as the slavery issue. Your god condemns one and supports the other. If you're going to condemn homosexuality because the bible says so, why don't you support slavery because the bible says so?

You're dodging this question for a reason and you know exactly what that reason is.

Again to those that need answers I suggest going to the Watchtower online library and punch in what you need to know about and get bibles view...if you are so inclinded to do so.I don't feel like shoveling crap against the tide with some here and again to those that want truth its there for you to seek and find as Jesus said.

We've read it already. Do you not understand this? We know the truth about it and it's disturbing. You're ducking and running because you absolutely know you can't reconcile what you want to believe with what's actually there. Not the rape, not the slavery, not the infanticide, none of it.

You're best example involves infanticide and JJ's example is about one slave. In neither of these examples does it say slavery should be abolished. Jesus goes on to tell slaves to obey their masters. You clearly only "wanna see what you wanna see".

Debate & Discuss / Re: Why Do People Still Pray in Public (Despite Jesus' Command Not to)?
« on: January 06, 2014, 06:09:01 pm »Message ID: 837194
Given that Jesus is god according to your beliefs, pointing out that he prayed in public doesn't make your point because, who is he praying to? What reward is he getting? Would he be getting it from himself? At best, his public prayer is instructional. He receives no punishment for breaking his own rules. You do though.

Also, contradictions abound in the bible, so an example of one thing being said and another thing being done in the bible is just par for the course.

Now, as for others, what purpose would there be to pray in public if not to be seen? There are no instances that necessitate public prayer. Now, as far as I know, prayers are not like genies granting wishes, so, even if you're under a pile of rubble and can't tuck yourself away to pray, though that's an extreme example, even that doesn't require a display of prayer. The vast majority of examples you can think of require no open display of prayer. The only possible purpose would to be seen.

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 05:34:14 pm »Message ID: 837168
Mr Johnson and Falconer i wanna ask you 2 something before continuing this discussion.....

Both your views about God.Does he exist OR do you just dis-agree with his rules,counsel,laws etc?

I don't believe god/gods exist and have zero reason to believe. Whether a god exists or not, his laws are utterly repugnant.

And i will answer that last post what the apostles said at Act 5:29....

Obeying God as ruler NOT men!!

Your god lays out rules for slavery instead of just outright abolishing it, and, in the case of rape, he condones blaming and punishing the victim instead of just the rapist and the rapist alone. Mans laws are far superior to your god's. We get it wrong, but we can see that and change for the better and not stay stuck in some time warp. This is absolutely not the case for your god.

All sorts of tyrants say "obey me and no one else!!!" So what? You have to evaluate whether what you're obeying makes sense or not, is just or not. The fact that you are so readily willing to defend slavery and rape tells me, no, this does not make sense and is not just. What is wrong with you that you cannot see this? I'm not asking this to be antagonistic. I'm really not. I just seriously want to know what you're not getting.

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 02:43:58 pm »Message ID: 837084
You side with slavery and rape, but so called "childishness" is what you absolutely can't stand for. Yeah, you're really taking a stand there  ::)

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 01:33:09 pm »Message ID: 837062

The only "righteous, holy, and good law" would be one that abolishes slavery, doesn't condone owning people as property, and punishes rapists, and only the rapist, for their crime and not the victim.

It's unbelievable that you would think anything short of that is "righteous and good". I have no use for the word "holy". Given what your god and you think is "good", it should be easy to see why.

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 01:23:44 pm »Message ID: 837055

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 06, 2014, 10:31:48 am »Message ID: 836978
I've answered the first one before.Put simply,it's to protect someone from being wrongly sentenced to death.If the victim  dies two weeks after getting beaten,it's probably not the beating he died from. 

It has absolutely nothing to do with justice as you're trying to portray it. Even if it did, it's clearly not for the slave. All it takes is for the slave to die on the 3rd day, when it would be very clear that they died from injuries received from their beating, but that's all it would take for their assailant to face no punishment at all. 

And it's not "someone" it's specifically slave owners. We're not talking about someone being wrongly accused and sentenced, we're talking about slavers known for beating their slaves. There would be no guidelines for this common practice otherwise.

What you're dancing around though is that you have to accept slavery as being ok, you have to accept the ownership of human beings as property, you have to accept beating another human being severely enough that they could die within a day or two from their injuries, and you accept someone beating another human being essentially to death and getting away with it, as long as they hold out for 3 days.

The other is a popular one."God makes women marry their rapist"It's actually there to protect the woman,to see that she and any potential children are cared for.In those days if a woman wasn't a virgin,she wouldn't be allowed to marry.(No "respectable" man would,and she would be in danger of being condemned for prostitution.)

It's beyond disturbing that you can write this at all, be ok with it, and not see the glaring issues it has. Women were treated as property. This had nothing to do with protecting the woman. It had to do with her being damaged goods the father now had to get off of his hands.

Really? Being forced to marry someone that has zero respect for your personhood, so much so that they feel they can violate you and take what they want from you without your consent, is considered "protection" to you? That's in the best interest of the woman though she has no say in the matter? She has to live with this savage for the rest of her life and that makes sense to you? (I say the rest of her life, because if rape is a reason to get married, I don't see what could possibly be a reason for divorce). What, he's going to settle down, have a few kids and change his ways?

What is wrong with you? If this was your mother, daughter, or sister, would you accept this?

The "other" sin falls under "perversion" which also (you guessed it) includes homosexuality.

In typical fashion, you avoided the question here. He asked how you could condone harsher punishment for laying with a beast over the rape of a woman. Rape an animal, you die, rape a woman, you get a new family.

Not that I expect our resident atheists to except or understand any of that.

Wow, you're actually being smug about accepting the fact that your god and your bible condone slavery, rape, and treating women as property and less than animals?

You are clueless beyond belief. We're not asking you to explain these passages to us. Trust me, we've already read them and understand them. We're asking why you accept them. None of this is ok. Do you not get that?

You mention a woman marrying her rapist to avoid being accused of being a prostitute. We understand that this is the case, what we don't understand is why you accept blaming the victim as ok. This society that your god laid down the rules for and presided over has women living amongst savages and they (the women) are punished for the savagery carried out against them.

None of this is right. It never has been and it never will be, and you know this. Acknowledging this would force you to question your beliefs, so instead it's the evil immoral atheist that has the problem. This must be the case in order for you to continue to avoid the thought that your bible and your god are not what you want to believe they are.

Debate & Discuss / Re: Why Do People Still Pray in Public (Despite Jesus' Command Not to)?
« on: January 06, 2014, 08:18:18 am »Message ID: 836911
... The bible is already, supposedly, Gods message given to man. The only "interpretation" needed, is an understanding of the language the book is written in. So unless you can show me footnotes from god himself explaining that this passage means anything than what it's flat out saying, you're completely full of  :bs:

Well, God gave me a better mind than can look at a Scripture-passage & see that there is one-&-only-one way of interpreting it. It's not my place to tell you whether your mind is better or worse for not being able to see more than one way. Deuteronomy 29:29

You first have to prove a god even exists and gave you anything. The best minds in the world have yet to do that, so....

2nd A "better mind" (this should just be average, but unfortunately, that's not the case) is one with reading comprehension skills. The author decides what they mean by what they say. If there's any confusion or meaning beyond what's written, context clues should clear that up. Paying attention in English class is all that's needed for this, not "a better mind".

Interpreting something six ways from Sunday is not at all helpful when that "something" is instructions, like in this case. A "better mind" would understand this. So, go ahead, interpret driving directions any way you want, and see if you don't end up lost. Interpret instructions anyway you want, and you'll just end up with a bunch of funky looking furniture in your house that can't hold up a plate of food, let alone the idea that you were given "a better mind".

Debate & Discuss / Re: Gay Marriage: Where do you stand?
« on: January 05, 2014, 06:38:38 pm »Message ID: 836775
And yet again, you duck your head, tuck your tail between your legs, and run. That sounds like a coward to me.

You still have yet to address the points made. Passages on slavery are in the same book as passages on homosexuality, yet you zero in on one and not the other. You must stand against homosexuality, but you don't stone disobedient children to death. Again, I don't give a damn about your bible. You believing this nonsense affect the lives of real people. That's all I'm concerned about.

You distract, duck, tuck, and run (I call this "The Hitch"), you're a coward.

Debate & Discuss / Re: Why Do People Still Pray in Public (Despite Jesus' Command Not to)?
« on: January 05, 2014, 06:27:59 pm »Message ID: 836768

This nonsense again...

It's funny how the warm and fuzzy parts of the bible that Christians love to quote are always in context, but anything they don't like, or is just not in line with what they want to believe  is always out of context  ::) But of course...

Some are just plain old fashioned ignorant,and refuse to see anything but what they desire

Taking something "out of context" means there are passages before and after the one quoted that completely change the meaning of it. That's not the case here. This passage is complete.

The passage prior to this one discusses giving to the needy (where it's also mentioned to do in secret... but of course, that's out of context too right?). The passage after the one quoted is the prayer itself. There's nothing about either of these passages that changes the context of the passage in question.

There would be no instructions on exactly how to pray in secret, no mention of being rewarded for praying in secret, and no mention of a lack of reward for public prayer if the passage didn't mean what it said.

Lastly, this idea of "Gods interpretation" is simply your refusal "to see anything but what you desire". The bible is already, supposedly, Gods message given to man. The only "interpretation" needed, is an understanding of the language the book is written in. So unless you can show me footnotes from god himself explaining that this passage means anything than what it's flat out saying, you're completely full of  :bs:

Offers / Re: Where have all the videos goooone? doodoodoo doodoodoo...
« on: January 05, 2014, 10:12:51 am »Message ID: 836544
Wow, I must've jinxed it. Now when I go to the business card transcription section, it says "There is no more work...". Time to buckle down and start categorizing those nude photos I guess.  :confused1:

Debate & Discuss / Re: Why Do People Still Pray in Public (Despite Jesus' Command Not to)?
« on: January 05, 2014, 10:06:56 am »Message ID: 836542
Because most Christians have never read the bible and even when they have, they have no clue what's in it but get angry at you when you point it out to them.

Mathew 6:

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

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