Gay Rights

[liljp617]

Homosexuality has been practiced for centuries and centuries.  Many ancient cultures (along with some of the most prominent in world history) promoted it and saw nothing wrong with it.

The idea that relationships are solely for reproduction is silly as well.  If that's the case, then heterosexual couples who are incapable of reproducing shouldn't be allowed to continue their relationship.

Well, heres MY logical reasoning..

In the age we live in today the individual has the right to choose , religion, political party, brand of cigarettes, left or right, what there going to watch on tv and whether or not they want to tivo it, however, the HUMAN RACE cannot progress if as a society homosexuality was it, sure they could adopt but scientifically IT DOES NOT WORK

The idea that all 300+ million people in this nation are going to suddenly become homosexual simply because it's tolerated is plain nonsense.  That is not logical.  It is just...goofy.  

Regardless, one's sexuality is not some point choice in life.  Did you wake up one day and decide you would start being attracted to the opposite gender? Sexuality is a product of genetics, education, and upbringing.

Even in your ridiculous imaginary world where everyone suddenly becomes homosexual, reproduction is most certainly still possible.  It is no longer necessary to have sexual intercourse to get pregnant.  Homosexuals can bear children just as any heterosexual can.

It's not going to happen though.  The whole world is not going to turn homosexual if we allow homosexuals to get married or treat them with a bit more equality.  It's just not going to happen.  It doesn't make any sense.  There's no logical reason that it would happen.

Do you have any more "logical reasons" behind your view?

[liljp617]

i never said anything about relationships being soly for reproduction...i was stating in order for our world to populate  ourselfs  Naturaly is  from a man and a women and im going back to the beggggiinnnng of time ..were the first man and women were on earth..lets think about it for a minute ..
and even with couples being gay ..why do most of them always  have a female role and the other has a  dominant role .... alomst all of gay girls  always have the other girl . witch is playing the dominet roll still ....use fake penusis to be penitrated into them as a male would do to a female ..so eathier way it always goes ..back to the natural state female and a male ...... and with gay males one plays the female the other the male..and you cant say thats not true beause 90 percent of the time it is

As I just said, the idea that the whole world is going to become homosexual if we tolerate homosexuality is plain dumb.  It makes no sense why that would happen.  There is no rationality behind saying such a thing would happen.  There will continue to be heterosexuals in the world who are reproducing even if homosexuals are treated equally.  It's ridiculous to say there would be a downfall of heterosexuality.

As for the rest, those are called sexual fetishes.  I don't know what they have to do with anything in this discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

Please stop with the naturalistic fallacy as well.  Homosexuality has been documented and observed in over 5,000 wild species in nature ranging from arthropods to apes.  Stop pretending it is some unnatural thing that never happens outside of human culture.

[rketcham]

?? No where in my post did i state that you decide to be gay like its a trend. No. if your gay be gay whatever. I voiced my opinion, maybe i should have just posted to begin with;  " I personally dont care."

[walksalone11]

Popular opinion, has never, nor will never,have any effect on sexual preference of people. Homosexuality has been practiced atleast as long as history has been recorded and yet here we are with population densities far denser than what is sustainable over the long term, by the worlds resources.

[liljp617]

?? No where in my post did i state that you decide to be gay like its a trend. No. if your gay be gay whatever. I voiced my opinion, maybe i should have just posted to begin with;  " Im personally dont care."

The only way the whole human race would become homosexual is if heterosexuals suddenly CHOSE to be homosexual.


Stop hiding behind "it's my opinion."  We've read your opinion.  We know it.  We understand you think it's wrong.  Nobody is questioning your right to an opinion.

I'm questioning your thought process behind your opinion.  I asked because I assumed you didn't have any logical reasoning behind your views.  So far, I'd say I'm correct.  Please prove me wrong.

[rketcham]

Popular opinion, has never, nor will never,have any effect on sexual preference of people. Homosexuality has been practiced atleast as long as history has been recorded and yet here we are with population densities far denser than what is sustainable over the long term, by the worlds resources.

Thats the crazy part about internet forums, they tend to be opinion based. When i say to each there own its a broad phrase.....

[GoGoKokiGo]

You should be allowed to be who you want to be. The fact that we even have to question how we feel about the rights of the gay is f'ing appalling to me. Nothing is "wrong" about the way a person is, unless what that person is harms another. My opinion truly is live and let live or shut up and mind your own business.

Something to think about:
No matter what anyone feels about it, it will still go on. Just enjoy the ride.

[totosli_08]

ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....

[totosli_08]

lol rketcham is funny ..he keep saying .....he just stating an opinion and everybody just ignoring him...i got yo back buddy lol

[walksalone11]

We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

[GoGoKokiGo]

ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....

Who said that the end result is having to have kids? You know what's NOT natural? Getting pregnant and having an abortion. Or having a kid and having to give them up for adoption, just to have that kid chewed up by the system and spit out. How many gay men and women do you see doing that?
I don't see the point of only validating a sexual orientation by if it can procreate or not when most of your oh so "natural" heterosexuals can't even take care of the ones that they have.

[rketcham]

We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

Personal feeling, I was not taught to be hetero it was just natural. Do i believe gays should have no rights , no. Do i think homosexuality is wrong, yes.

[walksalone11]

As if it even matters what anyone thinks of the issue.

Sexual preference is not a choice!

Hell, if it was, I'd be a lesbian!!!!

[GoGoKokiGo]

We are not ignoring him, we are just waiting for him to convince us that it is really his opinion and not one he was told to have and so does, but doesn't have any logical reason why.

Personal feeling, I was not taught to be hetero it was just natural. Do i believe gays should have no rights , no. Do i think homosexuality is wrong, yes.

Why shouldn't they have rights? Are they not human? What did they do to you, to think that they should be treated as lesser beings? What if they thought that straight people shouldn't have rights? It's a damn shame that you think that they shouldn't have all the rights as everyone else. Right now, I think you don't deserve rights and YOU'RE WRONG!

[liljp617]

ok ...ive heard that quistion so many times ...... " when did you wake up in the moring and decide you were straight ... or whatever that was said ....and ive done research on this ..because it was debated in class. as you all know ..i luv debating by know ...but my answer to that is ... when i  decided i was straight is when i begain to notice how the natural things work in this world qouta qouta ..penus.... vagina ..hmmmm.. that goes there  women man two diffrent sexes....hmm seems logicall ...and when you can find me profe that a women and a women or a men and a men diffenitly a man ..can have a kid by having sex plz let me know ..and i so will take your side..being gay is not naturall.. thats just my opinion because if it was...then that would be able to happen ...but god has the final say in all the things we do..so i dont mistreat anyone ....or anylike that ..i luv everybody ....

So let me get this straight really quick.  Homosexual acts and behavior occur in thousands of different species in nature, but homosexuality is unnatural?  So wild animals in nature who have been observed and documented to participate in these homosexual acts and behaviors are actually acting unnaturally, even though they're wild animals who are in nature?

Never mind the fact that human beings are part of nature.  They are not outside of nature, they are within it.  Thus, if humans are within nature, everything humans do is part of nature, meaning any act of homosexuality carried out by humans is an act occurring within nature.  Therefore, it is as natural as anything else in this world.

Homosexuality is not unnatural.  You may disagree with it, you can say it's morally wrong, you can dislike it as much as you like.  It is plainly natural no matter what your opinion of it is.  It occurs in nature, that makes it natural.