Jesus God or a god: The christian debate to end all christian debates read rules

[dell9031]

If Jesus is not God, then this is not a Christian debate.

[teflonfanatic]

If Jesus is not God, then this is not a Christian debate.

@Jcribb16: If there are no rules there is no order and we might as well start middle age wars between belief systems online.

@dell9031: Either show some proof from scripture or you will be taken as someone who just goes by what someone tells them(follower). As for me here's a scripture this one has Jesus compared to angels!!!!

Galatians 4:14 Reads 14 And what was a trial to YOU in my flesh, YOU did not treat with contempt or spit at in disgust; but YOU received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.

[HuffmanFamilyof4]

Listen people God is God and Jesus is his son.  God created heaven and earth and he sent his only son for our sins.  I know some of you don't beleive any of this but read your Bible

this just goes to show you that people can be brainwashed into believing anything anyone wants you to this includes a god

[teflonfanatic]

Listen people God is God and Jesus is his son.  God created heaven and earth and he sent his only son for our sins.  I know some of you don't beleive any of this but read your Bible

this just goes to show you that people can be brainwashed into believing anything anyone wants you to this includes a god

What do you mean by a god? I don't understand why can't someone be qualitatively god and not the almighty God himself. Rulers back then where known as Godlike ones. Take the Greek, Egyptian and Roman rulers.

Anyway if Jesus is the most high why is he NEVER called the most high in the bible?

Psalms 83:18 Reads(KING JAMES VERSION) That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.

[vicogden]

"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love," -- Ephesians 4:2

I had trouble understanding the original question, but since the post said to use a quote from scripture, I feel this one is the most appropriate regarding this subject based upon what I'm guessing the question in fact is.

Whether Jesus is God or the Son of God or just a great prophet is, in my eyes, not the most important thing.  What is the most important thing is the message he spread on love and tolerance. 

However, if I had to give a definite answer, I would answer "God".  I think there is an omnipotent power, i.e. Spirit, God, or The Light that we are all part of.  And I think God wants us to be tolerant of each other regardless of our religious beliefs.

[teflonfanatic]

"With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love," -- Ephesians 4:2

I had trouble understanding the original question, but since the post said to use a quote from scripture, I feel this one is the most appropriate regarding this subject based upon what I'm guessing the question in fact is.

Whether Jesus is God or the Son of God or just a great prophet is, in my eyes, not the most important thing.  What is the most important thing is the message he spread on love and tolerance. 

However, if I had to give a definite answer, I would answer "God".  I think there is an omnipotent power, i.e. Spirit, God, or The Light that we are all part of.  And I think God wants us to be tolerant of each other regardless of our religious beliefs.

The foundation is always the important thing but the problem is if you say Jesus has a name above all names and answers to no one(almighty) then that puts him over his father. If it's the other way around then Jesus is not the almighty God as his father will have a name higher then him and the father answers to no one. I believe that's why we can be forgiven if we blasphemy against Jesus but not "the spirit".

Mark 3:29 Reads(Young's literal) but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'

[mrcastro]

well one bible text i can give is john14:28 were he states that the father is greater than he was.this comes after he said those famous words "he that has seen me has seen the father"but he was just showing them that when they saw the wonderful qualities he had it was like seen his father.and remember,the bible was written for man,to be understood by those with a humble heart,so why would jesus refer to him as "father" as someone greater if this would bring confusion to the trinity doctrine

[edugie]

I do know for sure that Jesus Christ is the son of God. god is not the right format, it's used to indicate the lil gods that idol worshippers pray and sacrifice unto, e.g objects.....That's something I know for sure.

[mrcastro]

the importance of knowing what position jesuschrist holds is great because he stated that no one could get to the father only threw him.he has earnd that right by giving his life for us.if we were to think of him as god almighty then we would not be respecting his position because that position belongs to only one jehova(plams 83 18)but if we under stand that threw him godjehova gives us a chance to get to know him and the hope to live eternally(Jhon 3 16)(hebrews 4 14-16)then godjehova becomes  someone more real to us and jesus and no longer are a mysterious trinity

[teflonfanatic]

the importance of knowing what position jesuschrist holds is great because he stated that no one could get to the father only threw him.he has earnd that right by giving his life for us.if we were to think of him as god almighty then we would not be respecting his position because that position belongs to only one jehova(plams 83 18)but if we under stand that threw him godjehova gives us a chance to get to know him and the hope to live eternally(Jhon 3 16)(hebrews 4 14-16)then godjehova becomes  someone more real to us and jesus and no longer are a mysterious trinity

+infinity

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[manicamarketing]

Ultimately I think it comes down to faith.  However, as Bishop Fulton J. Sheen says, there are three tests of reason and/or history.

1) Jesus was pre-anounced in hundreds of Old Testament prophecies

2) He performed Miracles that revealed His divinve nature and atested to the fact he cam from God.

3) Jesus never taught anything contrary to reason, although somethings may have been above it. 

[sarabtrayior]

Jesus is a God and Jesus is MY God. Jesus does not command, he just asks and Jesus has helped me more times than I can count...

[GenghisKhan44]

I will offer my first proof.
 

42And the Pharisees being gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying: What think you of Christ? Whose son is he? They say to him: David's.
43 He says to them: How then does David in spirit call him Lord, saying:
44 AThe Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? A
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word: neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

A: Jesus was quoting Psalm 110:1. In the original Hebrew, " Jahweh said to my Adonai". Adonai only refers to God. This is an example of Jesus making the claim He was God's Son.

I have other proofs if that isn't enough.

[foreverinlove05]

so how is quoting the bible supposed to prove that he exists? how is that supposed to end the debate that's never going to end?

[jcribb16]

foreverinlove,
To Christians, the Bible is God's Word and is used to help prove points, how to live for Him, how to lead others to Him, etc.  I agree with you, though, that no matter how much of the Bible people quote and use to help their research and answers, there is always going to be a never-ending debate about Christians/non-christians. So, like you, I agree this debate won't end all Christian debates.