daily Bible verse

[falcon9]

"It is not that God condones slavery or any other sort of evil. He does not condone, but rather, permits and tolerates."

While "permits and tolerates" is indistinguishable from condoning, there is no valid evidence that some speculative supernatural entity has the ability to "condone" or not condone anything without assuming an existence, (and that assumption is logically-invalid).

[Falconer02]

While "permits and tolerates" is indistinguishable from condoning, there is no valid evidence that some speculative supernatural entity has the ability to "condone" or not condone anything without assuming an existence, (and that assumption is logically-invalid).

Though I obviously agree, I've been stepping into their realm of thought lately just to show that there is major problems with this god's actions.

[falcon9]

While "permits and tolerates" is indistinguishable from condoning, there is no valid evidence that some speculative supernatural entity has the ability to "condone" or not condone anything without assuming an existence, (and that assumption is logically-invalid).

Though I obviously agree, I've been stepping into their realm of thought lately just to show that there is major problems with this god's actions.

Understood however, the when the basic premise, (superstitious religiosu belief), is a non-basis for any rational conclusion, such perspectives are moot from the get-go.  It's precisely like arguing about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" before establishing evidence for the existence of "angels".

[Falconer02]

It's precisely like arguing about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" before establishing evidence for the existence of "angels".

I am aware, though I believe introducing a problem or inconsistency within their own turf may make them more open to their beliefs not being so perfect and untouchable in their minds. I hope this method may lead to learning how to apply healthy skepticism to such things. Arguing on the inside rather than the outside. Either way, it's fairly easy to make a logical case.

[vp44]

My my my the racist shows its face. From many of your post I felt a certain thing about you and now with these latest post I think you have surfaced. Jcribb you hide behind verses and quotes, but more and more you show your true identity.

I am not racist and I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.  I do not condone slavery, either, but was trying to show him why God allowed slavery, under stipulations, as a way for the poor to survive.  I meant nothing racist about anyone - remember, slavery in the Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't based on race, period.  It was based on the poor to help them. 

You are beginning to show your biased side as well.  I'm sorry for that, for I thought you were doing quite well with standing up for God's Word and God.  You even have Psalm 23 as a side reference, which identifies you as a Christian. 

Liking Psalms 23 doesn't mean I'm a Christian because Christians do not own that passage nor do they own the bible. I'm a Baptist and we too read the bible. I chose to keep my beliefs to myself because once people decided to flood the forums with all this Christian stuff it took a turn for the worst because I myself think that Christians don't know when to stop trying force they religion upon others. If you read some of my post you would see that. There's no sense in keeping up things when some don't agree with you and yes its our choice to disagree and not have Christian religion stuffed down our throats. You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I share it elsewhere where people and I can discuss with others who believe in my religion. This is what you call making peace among your fellow FC members. Now if Christians can do that you wouldn't see yourself filling up threads with your Christian related posts that seem to just go on and on and it just never gives. I mean really give it break.

[falcon9]

I believe introducing a problem or inconsistency within their own turf may make them more open to their beliefs not being so perfect and untouchable in their minds. I hope this method may lead to learning how to apply healthy skepticism to such things. Arguing on the inside rather than the outside. Either way, it's fairly easy to make a logical case.

Again, the strategy is logically sound however, the opponents' arguments aren't.  That means that they are just as unlikely to suddenly become more logical within an illogical paradigm, (especially when their noses are rubbed in thier own inconsistancies).  My theory regarding this is that many religious adherents are so deeply 'invested' in having 'painted themselves into an irrational corner' that their pride/ego will not permit them to ever let the illogical 'paint' of their religious beliefs 'dry' so that they can escape the blind alley of religious faith.  

[JediJohnnie]

"Re: daily non-blical non-verse " 

 That's a new one on me!

[falcon9]

"Re: daily non-blical non-verse "  

 That's a new one on me!

It's a typo for "babbling bible  "

[JediJohnnie]

My my my the racist shows its face. From many of your post I felt a certain thing about you and now with these latest post I think you have surfaced. Jcribb you hide behind verses and quotes, but more and more you show your true identity.

I am not racist and I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.  I do not condone slavery, either, but was trying to show him why God allowed slavery, under stipulations, as a way for the poor to survive.  I meant nothing racist about anyone - remember, slavery in the Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't based on race, period.  It was based on the poor to help them. 

You are beginning to show your biased side as well.  I'm sorry for that, for I thought you were doing quite well with standing up for God's Word and God.  You even have Psalm 23 as a side reference, which identifies you as a Christian. 

Liking Psalms 23 doesn't mean I'm a Christian because Christians do not own that passage nor do they own the bible. I'm a Baptist and we too read the bible. I chose to keep my beliefs to myself because once people decided to flood the forums with all this Christian stuff it took a turn for the worst because I myself think that Christians don't know when to stop trying force they religion upon others. If you read some of my post you would see that. There's no sense in keeping up things when some don't agree with you and yes its our choice to disagree and not have Christian religion stuffed down our throats. You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I share it elsewhere where people and I can discuss with others who believe in my religion. This is what you call making peace among your fellow FC members. Now if Christians can do that you wouldn't see yourself filling up threads with your Christian related posts that seem to just go on and on and it just never gives. I mean really give it break.

I'm pretty sure Baptists are Christians.I'm not sure what your trying to say here,but Christians have a right to post their beliefs here.It's only Falcon and people of his ilk that have caused tempers to flare from not being able to live and let live.

I hear a lot about "the  Christian religion stuffed down our throats",but if we didn't have atheists shoving their beliefs (complete with arrogant,condescending attitude) in Biblical & Prayer threads,I think most of us would be content to share our faith peacefully in these threads

[JediJohnnie]

Ah,fixed it I see.

[falcon9]

Christians have a right to post their beliefs here.

On FC, it's not a "right"; it's a priviledge granted by a privately-owned forum.

It's only Falcon and people of his ilk that have caused tempers to flare from not being able to live and let live.

That's a false characterization of a situation in which some xtians are whining about not being able to evangelize unopposed.

I hear a lot about "the  Christian religion stuffed down our throats" ...

Undoubtedly that's due to the plethora of xtian evangelical/proselytizing threads & posts here.

... but if we didn't have atheists shoving their beliefs ...

Logical reasoning isn't a religious "belief", (nor can logic be redefined as a "belief" under the parameters of the definition of that word).
  

... in Biblical & Prayer threads,I think most of us would be content to share our faith peacefully in these threads

In other words, you've reaffirmed an unreasonable 'belief' that such religious evangelizing/proselytizing threads ought to go unopposed.  That's not going to happen, irrational fundie.  

[falcon9]

Ah,fixed it I see.

Ah, alternatively pretending to have my posts on and off "ignore", depending on how obvious your ignorance of the actual function of the 'Ignore button' becomes I see.

[vp44]

My my my the racist shows its face. From many of your post I felt a certain thing about you and now with these latest post I think you have surfaced. Jcribb you hide behind verses and quotes, but more and more you show your true identity.

I am not racist and I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way.  I do not condone slavery, either, but was trying to show him why God allowed slavery, under stipulations, as a way for the poor to survive.  I meant nothing racist about anyone - remember, slavery in the Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't based on race, period.  It was based on the poor to help them. 

You are beginning to show your biased side as well.  I'm sorry for that, for I thought you were doing quite well with standing up for God's Word and God.  You even have Psalm 23 as a side reference, which identifies you as a Christian. 

Liking Psalms 23 doesn't mean I'm a Christian because Christians do not own that passage nor do they own the bible. I'm a Baptist and we too read the bible. I chose to keep my beliefs to myself because once people decided to flood the forums with all this Christian stuff it took a turn for the worst because I myself think that Christians don't know when to stop trying force they religion upon others. If you read some of my post you would see that. There's no sense in keeping up things when some don't agree with you and yes its our choice to disagree and not have Christian religion stuffed down our throats. You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I share it elsewhere where people and I can discuss with others who believe in my religion. This is what you call making peace among your fellow FC members. Now if Christians can do that you wouldn't see yourself filling up threads with your Christian related posts that seem to just go on and on and it just never gives. I mean really give it break.

I'm pretty sure Baptists are Christians.I'm not sure what your trying to say here,but Christians have a right to post their beliefs here.It's only Falcon and people of his ilk that have caused tempers to flare from not being able to live and let live.

I hear a lot about "the  Christian religion stuffed down our throats",but if we didn't have atheists shoving their beliefs (complete with arrogant,condescending attitude) in Biblical & Prayer threads,I think most of us would be content to share our faith peacefully in these threads

No not every Religion is Christian. This is why some have separated them self  from Christian teachings and such.  Because not all people believe in what Christians belief in. Main factor's is the Lord and the Bible but taught about it differently. I did not say anyone could not speak of they religion. I said that it goes to far with people putting all kinds of threads of Christian beliefs like spamming the forum. To answer your thoughts on shoving things down people throats he is only doing what your doing. Your spreading your beliefs around this site and he has right to spread his. One thing though I don't see him making up threads to just spread all over the forum. I have came to let it go because I'm not here to go to church or be boggled down with who do and who do not believe. If your so Christian then why cant you move on and let people be what they are. I don't think his comments are bothering anybody. I use to think it was bothersome until I came to realization that everybody has they right to choose what they believe in and make they own comments. I don't see him getting angry or making threats, I see him making educated phrases about what he believe in. Just like we all have rights to not come to a site where we can make good conversation about things and not have 50 threads about Christians. Have you ever heard of the metaphor If you pick at a sore it get's worse, but if you leave it alone it heals itself. Instead of saying of daily bible verse you guys turned this thread into a war against falcon or non believer's because they quotes on people comments. It is you who shove thing down people throats with this and that. No one has to defend Religion because it doesn't need defending. The word of the Lord is in those who choose to believe. Just like when the Jehovah witness come to your door, you don't have to open it up if you choose to not be of their Religion or you say No thank you and they walk away. Not here you guys just keep on and on and on and it just get's worse. Keep throwing stones all you like I'm not gonna answer anymore because when I first came here there wasn't all these threads about Christians and believers and non believers and people spamming threads or flooding forum's. I'm done with speaking about this also. Say and quote all you like but don't expect a answer. Peace out and you guys have a nice day and many more.

[falcon9]

You don't see me making 30 threads of Baptist related things because I choose to not force my religion upon others who may not believe in it. I said that it goes to far with people putting all kinds of threads of Christian beliefs like spamming the forum.  One thing though I don't see him making up threads to just spread all over the forum.

True, dissenting responses to multiple evangelical religious posts spamming the forums with multiple threads isn't the same as starting multiple dissenting threads so, thanks for making that valid distinction. Though I vehemently disagree with such religious evangelizing/proselytizing,
I haven't noticed you starting such threads, (although I have disagreed strongly with faith-based religious posts).

[Falconer02]

So far i am disappointed with Jcribb for not giving kudos to Gods organization for that write up on slaves.I thought it was very well presented and biblical too.I dont expect Falconer2 to agree with it but the way it was presented surely shows Jehovah is a JUST God.

Another person using an appeal to authority to justify slavery. Anyone who supports or tries to justify such actions w/o pointing out the immorality of such things is a disgrace to civilized humanity (including your personal god).