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falcon9

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2012, 05:32:43 pm »
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a firm stand either way. I know a good number of my gay friends, male and female that are in high positions professionally that they obtained through competency (not affirmative action). In fact as far as ones livliehood, and also housing  it is illegal to discriminate based on sexual preference along with other protected groups. Also many private and government agencies have instituted "domestic partner" benefits..health dental vision, etc. So it's not like gays are totally without rights.

This might be an extrapolation in an unforseen direction however, it could be that the "rights" portion doesn't necessarily refer to getting married but, to such 'rights and privileges as accrue to a being married', (like tax and other federal benefits not covered by either "domestic partnerships" or "civil unions")?


As a nation we are growing in tolerance for gays and other once taboo things like interracial marriage. I too agree that people have the right love, be with, sleep with etc whoever they wish. But the topic of marriage between same sex couples is still a hot button topic, although there are  6 states that allow it. and anyone can go to that state to marry. So no one should act like gays cannot be married..they can! The problem is, that under educated or shallow thinking people won't have the mental capacity to look deeper and understand that gays are NOT TOTALLY PROHIBITED from marriage. Those types (and some who have commented on this post) will jump on this as "Oh this poor minority group is oppressed, and can't have the same rights as others" Why people will do this without looking deeper I have no clue!!! :BangHead:
That being said, it makes no sense for a President to come out in favor of anything he as no control over.. It's phony, and the timing makes it suspicious, especially since he has always been wishy washy on the subject when asked in the past.
This coming from a man who once made the comment "I wouldn't want my daughter "punished" with a baby.  This statement was made during a campaign event where he was discussing sex education, (which includes information on family planning birth control, abortion and STD prevention) stating that "it makes sense to give them "information." So then once you have an accidental pregnancy, and  from a sex education perspective, what information would you have been given that would permanently eliminate this "punishment" that you face? Not hard to connect those dots!! I guess it didn't matter that the "punishment" would be his grandchild!.. That's when I knew he was slime and lost all respect for him. This  was said while he was running for president. Since then, I've never put faith in a single thing he said. His current comment is no exception :bootyshake:
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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2012, 02:09:54 am »
Lol. . .

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2012, 05:38:11 am »
It's about time a president supports this issue. Whats the big deal anyway? They should have always had the same rights as everyone else.

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2012, 01:07:45 pm »
It's about time a president supports this issue. Whats the big deal anyway? They should have always had the same rights as everyone else.

What about a redneck who wants to marry their truck?
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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2012, 01:16:58 pm »
I wonder where in the Constitution that it says gays have a right to marry.  I must have missed that somehow.  Obama actually was for gay marriage until he ran for the Senate and then he was against it.  Now he's for it again.  That's generally called flip-flopping but in his case it's called evolving.  I know this because he says it over and over.

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2012, 01:40:26 pm »
I think Obama talks out of two sides of his face. He will say whatever he thinks he needs to get re-elected, whether he believes it or not. Most politicians do.  :BangHead:

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2012, 02:00:18 pm »
I think Obama talks out of two sides of his face. He will say whatever he thinks he needs to get re-elected, whether he believes it or not. Most politicians do.  :BangHead:

Obama doesn't know what he believes so how can we??  It is definitely another campaign speech and he has not really stopped making those since he first ran for president.  He does more flip-flopping than John Kerry and that's pretty bad!  I just hope and pray that all the Americans that vote see through his lies and I hope the gays don't fall for his latest flip-flop.  I can't understand how he ever got elected in the first place; he had no experience and was already known for being extremely liberal but its just like Bill Clinton getting elected when he had so many moral issues that came to the forefront when he was running.  God help us all if Obama gets re-elected cause we ain't seen nothing yet!

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2012, 02:03:14 pm »
I love Obama!!! Whether is supports gay marriage or even if he was against he can't make all of the people happy all of the time. Hmmm that is any other president for that matter! i hate politics but sure love my president. GoBama!!!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2012, 02:56:27 pm »
:male: :male: :female: :female:    :female: :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Honestly,have you ever read the Bible?

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Do I really need to go on? ::)

You CAN'T "go on" because that is all there is in the entire Bible pertaining to Homosexuality. Yet, some clueless folk that know nothing of true Christianity get up in arms. Where is the outrage and protest in front of tattoo parlors???

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2012, 03:11:01 pm »
It is a sad day in America.  Our Christian values are being attacked daily.

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2012, 03:22:16 pm »
It is a sad day in America.  Our Christian values are being attacked daily.

Your presumption is offensive. Not everyone has xtian "values"; some have values which are just as 'moral' and 'ethical' as ones appropriated as religious "values".
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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2012, 03:45:15 pm »
:male: :male: :female: :female:    :female: :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Honestly,have you ever read the Bible?

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Do I really need to go on? ::)

You CAN'T "go on" because that is all there is in the entire Bible pertaining to Homosexuality. Yet, some clueless folk that know nothing of true Christianity get up in arms. Where is the outrage and protest in front of tattoo parlors???

1 Timothy 8-11 "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.  We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,  for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine  that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. "

Leviticus 20 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

As you can see I COULD go on.The point isn't how many times it's said.Even if God had only said it once it would be reason enough to take notice.But it's impossible for anyone to say God hasn't forbidden the practice in the strongest terms possible.

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2012, 03:58:59 pm »
:male: :male: :female: :female:    :female: :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Honestly,have you ever read the Bible?

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Do I really need to go on? ::)

You CAN'T "go on" because that is all there is in the entire Bible pertaining to Homosexuality. Yet, some clueless folk that know nothing of true Christianity get up in arms. Where is the outrage and protest in front of tattoo parlors???

1 Timothy 8-11 "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.  We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,  for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine  that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. "

Leviticus 20 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

As you can see I COULD go on.The point isn't how many times it's said.Even if God had only said it once it would be reason enough to take notice.But it's impossible for anyone to say God hasn't forbidden the practice in the strongest terms possible.

Why aren't tattoos illegal?  Is it because we are a smart enough society to know that we need not govern ourselves based solely on the words of A BOOK?

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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2012, 04:04:47 pm »
1 Timothy 8-11  
Leviticus 20 13  
As you can see I COULD go on.

With your bible-thumping evangelism?  Of that, there is no doubt.

The point isn't how many times it's said.

If not, why keep bible-thumping?

Even if God had only said it once it would be reason enough to take notice.

There's exactly zero evidence that "g-d" said anything, (hearsay accounts in a document of religious doctrines does not constitute such evidence).

But it's impossible for anyone to say God hasn't forbidden the practice in the strongest terms possible.

Not only is that possible, I'll say/type it right here; the hearsay accounts of religious doctrines do not constitute evidence that some hypothetical being has "forbidden" anything.  Such restrictions have been attributed to hypothetical beings in an anthropomorphic manner by religious adherents and there is no evidence to support some contention that these derived from some supernatural stenographic dictation notes.
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Re: Obama and his stand on gay marriage
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2012, 04:07:50 pm »
Why aren't tattoos illegal?  Is it because we are a smart enough society to know that we need not govern ourselves based solely on the words of A BOOK?

Mein Kampf is a book too.  If one is not a neo-national-socialist, why would they follow the beliefs expressed in it?  Now apply that concept to inerrant-bible believers for consideration.

-[n.a.z.i. got *bleeped* as inappropriate and yet 'faith' gets a pass ... that's hilarious]-
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