Health Care law

[johnkanet]

I don't know what they are proposing, but I think everyone in our country should have Medical Insurance. I think we should all just pay a percentage of our income into it and we should all have the same coverage.

[patti4me]

By law, a hospital cannot turn anyone away who needs medical attention; they have to treat them.  And, we are all paying for that already thru inflated prices on everything we have done thru a dr's office or a hospital visit.  $5.00 for a tylenol is a good example.  Obamacare is a big joke and I can't believe the Supreme Court upheld it; it is unconstitutional regardless of whether judge Roberts calls it a tax or not!  Obama said he would not raise taxes to pay for this; that anyone making under $250,000 a year would not see a tax increase,  but who is going to pay for it??  You and me, that's who.  I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can't afford to pay for anyone's healthcare but my own and I can barely afford that.  I have no insurance because my Cobra ran out and no other ins. co would take me because of preexisting but I would not expect anyone else to pay for my healthcare.  When I have to go to dr. or need meds I pay for it or I don't get it. Anyway, I got extremely mad when I heard it had been upheld and good for the states that are not going to put it into effect.

[hitch0403]

obviously the rich and those that get it on their jobs dont want it.I happen to be in the middle.I make too much to get Medicaid and not enuff to buy health ins so im glad it got passed.We will see what develops.

Thanx Anthony

[BJohnsonPP]

By law, a hospital cannot turn anyone away who needs medical attention; they have to treat them.

That's the entire point. From now until the end of time, doctors take care of people whether or not they can pay the same way police help people whether or not they pay taxes. It's the nature of their job. It can't be any other way. Because we all utilize their services, we all have to pay.

Obamacare is a big joke and I can't believe the Supreme Court upheld it; it is unconstitutional regardless of whether judge Roberts calls it a tax or not!  Obama said he would not raise taxes to pay for this; that anyone making under $250,000 a year would not see a tax increase,  but who is going to pay for it??  You and me, that's who.

  -sigh- You're already paying for "other people's healthcare" because of the statement above. From now until the end of time. That's not going to change. That didn't all of a sudden become the case because of "Obamacare". You being ignorant of what that means doesn't change the facts about it.

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I can't afford to pay for anyone's healthcare but my own and I can barely afford that. I have no insurance because my Cobra ran out and no other ins. co would take me because of preexisting but I would not expect anyone else to pay for my healthcare.  

  --double sigh-- If you've ever had insurance, that's what you've been doing the whole time you've had it: paying for others. So yes, you can afford it even if barely. This law makes it so those that haven't been paying, pay so those with insurance no longer are the only ones paying into the system and carrying the load. It's a simple concept. If you're currently paying for insurance, you're in compliance with the law. There's no added penalty. If you're not paying for insurance, you have to because, again, what was mentioned above about the nature of a doctors job. Also, this law would prevent you from binge refused care with your pre-existing condition. So your whole rant is bass aackwards.

People arguing against their own interests...unbelievable  

[southernhorizons]

Our family falls in the cracks of healthcare. He does not get it on the job and I am a student and we make too much to qualify for Medicaid. It would be nice to have options.

we are in the same boat ,, we cant afford insurance on our own so we dont have any right now and dont qualify for state assisted health care , because we make to much money...go figure it sucks

So you'll be one of the ones that gets fined!

[southernhorizons]

So, since we will be paying for everybody else's health care either way, AND cost will still always rise, what is the whole point of Obamacare? It obviously is not the "reform" that a lot of people think it is.
Maybe you are Ok with giving up even more freedom, since we've already lost so much, but I'm NOT! That is exactly the way all the tyrants of the past, such as Stalin and Hitler, got into power.
I agree that Social security should be privatized. But unfortunately, that'll probably never happen, because it is an unsustainable program, since they pay out more than they take in.

You clearly just quoted what I wrote but it's not possible that you actually read it and comprehended it because you wouldn't be asking these questions that were already addressed. You also clearly didn't understand what I was saying about freedom either. Actually read the full back and forth between me and hawkeye3210 then get back to me. Thanks.

Yes, I did read it all, and my question is relevant. I wasn't talking about your suggestions for a totally new system, but about your defense of Obamacare.
By the way, if I choose not to buy "approved" health insurance (or can't afford it), and so have to pay the fines or "extra taxes", it still doesn't give me health insurance. I'll still have to pay any healthcare bills myself, or dump the costs on the system. So this mandate still desn't provide health insurance for many of the people who are currently uninsured, and doesn't solve the cost problems.
In fact, Obama never really intended his health care bill to provide insurance for all (or even most) Americans. He knows that most of the people who don't have it now can't afford it, because it is not provided by their employers (such as farmers and small businesses). So he is counting on the penalties as a source of revenue for his oversized government. That is a big reason why the individual mandate is so important to him (the other reason, of course, being control). Actually this was an underhanded way for him to go against another one of his campaign promises - not to raise taxes on the middle class. The Democrats are always accusing the Republicans of cutting taxes for the rich and putting the burden on the middle class and the "poor." But who will be paying the fines (which the Supreme Court has pointed out, is really a TAX)? Certainly not the rich, who can afford premium insurance. It'll will be the middle class, people with small businesses, young people just starting out, families who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but not enough to afford to buy their own health insurance if it's not provided for by their employers. In other words, the people who already pay most of the taxes, the ones who actually work for a living and try to support themselves without handouts. So forget about Bush's tax cuts, and start worrying about Obama's tax increases, because that's what really affects ordinary Americans!
In case your wondering, I am not a Republican. In fact, I dislike Romney almost as much as Obama, and Bush wasn't any better. The Republicans had plenty of time to fix healthcare when they were in power, but they didn't because the big money from the insurance companies and the drug companies control both parties. But I can't stand the dirty tactics the Democrats use, to try to cover up for their policies that hurt Americans so much. We really need a third party in this country, an American party.

[timvolley]

i wished the obamacare bill wasnt passed . We will have to see how this will affect everyone especially the uninsurable.

[sigmapi1501]

i wished the obamacare bill wasnt passed . We will have to see how this will affect everyone especially the uninsurable.

Why do you wish it wasn't passed?

[MessiahMews]

i think if we let government mandate health insurance what will be next? america is supposed to be the land of freedom of choice, well if our choice on health care is taken away i just feel it will be just the start of more choices being take away. i think if the health care is left as is and obama is re-elected it will lead to more and more mandates. the next thing you know we are no longer u.s.a. but the new u.s.s.r. i think obama will try more government regulations on business and industry. the next thing you have is a socialist-communist state instead of free marketand free choice that has been the back bone of our great country. the old saying you give and inch they take a mile next thing you know less and less choices and more and more goverment. revoke health-care mandate and elect any one besides obama to another term

I'm not getting it no matter what they say.

Next you know, will be forced vaccinations and other shots, or drugs that they may deem necessary.  No friggin' way!

The fact that we live holistically and organic, is enough for us.  We do not take pHARMaceuticals of any kind for any reason and we're not about to now.  We only use chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists, or NDs (natural doctors).  And we pay cash for those services and are done with it.

We have Medicare for accidental and hospital, but that's it.

[jnjmolly]

I also agree with most of you guys!!! Its such a sensitive topic for so many people who have to worry everyday and night about there health bills!!

[BJohnsonPP]

So, since we will be paying for everybody else's health care either way, AND cost will still always rise, what is the whole point of Obamacare? It obviously is not the "reform" that a lot of people think it is.
Maybe you are Ok with giving up even more freedom, since we've already lost so much, but I'm NOT! That is exactly the way all the tyrants of the past, such as Stalin and Hitler, got into power.
I agree that Social security should be privatized. But unfortunately, that'll probably never happen, because it is an unsustainable program, since they pay out more than they take in.

You clearly just quoted what I wrote but it's not possible that you actually read it and comprehended it because you wouldn't be asking these questions that were already addressed. You also clearly didn't understand what I was saying about freedom either. Actually read the full back and forth between me and hawkeye3210 then get back to me. Thanks.

Yes, I did read it all, and my question is relevant...

Not possible. If you did, you wouldn't have asked the question you asked because it was addressed in the second paragraph I wrote which you quoted. You may have looked at it, and you certainly quoted it, but it's not possible that you actually read it.

By the way, if I choose not to buy "approved" health insurance (or can't afford it), and so have to pay the fines or "extra taxes", it still doesn't give me health insurance. I'll still have to pay any healthcare bills myself, or dump the costs on the system. So this mandate still desn't provide health insurance for many of the people who are currently uninsured, and doesn't solve the cost problems.

If you choose not to buy insurance, how is that a failure of Obamacare to provide healthcare for many? If you're given the option but you chose not to purchase insurance, how is that anyone's fault/problem but your own? If you can't afford it, that's what medicaid is for.

In fact, Obama never really intended his health care bill to provide insurance for all (or even most) Americans. He knows that most of the people who don't have it now can't afford it, because it is not provided by their employers (such as farmers and small businesses). So he is counting on the penalties as a source of revenue for his oversized government. That is a big reason why the individual mandate is so important to him (the other reason, of course, being control).

He tried to expand medicaid for this reason but hey, if conspiracies work for you...   They're useless to me though.

Conspiracy Theories: When the nuances of reality are too hard to understand, just make some s.hit up  

Actually this was an underhanded way for him to go against another one of his campaign promises - not to raise taxes on the middle class.

Yes, that's what he wanted to do 'cause that'll surely get him votes   . He actually knew it would be interpreted as a tax because it was a plan hatched when Justice Roberts swore him in. He picked Roberts 'cause he knew no one would suspect him. Brilliant plan!  

The Democrats are always accusing the Republicans of cutting taxes for the rich and putting the burden on the middle class and the "poor." But who will be paying the fines (which the Supreme Court has pointed out, is really a TAX)? Certainly not the rich, who can afford premium insurance. It'll will be the middle class, people with small businesses, young people just starting out, families who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but not enough to afford to buy their own health insurance if it's not provided for by their employers. In other words, the people who already pay most of the taxes, the ones who actually work for a living and try to support themselves without handouts. So forget about Bush's tax cuts, and start worrying about Obama's tax increases, because that's what really affects ordinary Americans!

It's not an added tax. If you have insurance, you're in compliance with the law. So you're not paying the tax on top of having insurance. Your insurance is the tax. Young people stay on their parents insurance until 26. He tried to expand medicaid to deal with many who currently fall through the cracks but that got shot down... kinda. States can either go along with the expansion or not. Regardless though, the new law is not the reason some fall through the cracks which you seem to be insinuating. They've always fallen through the cracks. Anytime you try to deal with a complicated issue, you have holes you just can't plug. That's just one of them.

[sigmapi1501]

Lol, someone said "Whats next, forced vaccinations?"
Yes. Like when you register for this thing called schoolin'.  Its at the fancy window building.

[jaymz462]

I'm actually suprised Roberts voted the way he did.  The ACA is a baby step towards a single-payer system, which would be a Very Good thing.

[Amesblk]

And in spite of forcing you to pay for this insurance, health care prices are skyrocketing! Crazy!  Can't afford to pay attention these days!

[vp44]

While for years the health care companys have gotten rich and we complain about someone who wants to have a health care law to force healh care companys to come done on there prices what harm does that do ...for many years health care costs have been raised and we complain. Before my dad died i seen so much cost for this and that and One we need to know is the doctors get paid for each thing they recommend that a person should have. They get a cut for every thing they get the from each and every procedure or medicine or experiment or trial they do. It is a chain link with healthcare and the one who hurts in pocket is the people. So yes we need a law and is this one good who knows but at lleast Obama did more than any other President did and was put something on table that was passed..One Doctor said why are we treating this man he gonna die anyway. I was floored when he said that about my dad. Doctors now days arent in it to preserve life they are in it to get paid on a livng person thats gonna live longer and they can keep billing for things that may or may not be wrong with them. Wonder why some go Postal in this world. HMMMM