Has hitch been banned....again....yet?

[Drutts0643]

So lets summarize the past- oh, lets just limit it to the last 3 pages:

Thomas worshiped Jesus as God having seen Him in the Resurrected flesh

Jesus accepted Thomas worship as God, proving He is equal with God the Father.

God should be referred to as Our Father, per Jesus instruction.

Christians understand that God allows Himself to be identified in Scripture with terms other than 'Jehovah'

God condones, allows and created special holidays to be observed in the Bible

Soul Sleep is not a scriptural doctrine in light of 1 Peter 3: 18- 21

The Watchtower has tried countless times to predict the End Of The World- both under founder Charles Taze Russell and his successors- and failed miserably time after time. ( a feat that would cause most to question the movement's validity as "God's Organisation")

The JWs don't allow their members to read literature that contradicts the Watchtower programming for fear they'll ask unanswerable questions that'll expose their heresy.

The JWs believe in 'shunning' people who leave their 'organisation' for fear they may convince others to do likewise.

John The Apostle warned us in 2 John of people who would lead us astray by claiming things beyond Christ's teaching and not believing in the Resurrection- and that we should not listen to them or encourage them in any way.

Has hitch/Drutts/Donna/LesterThePester/EricMyChild/GomerPyle or whatever he's calling himself on any given day actually addressed these points I've made in any clear and compelling way?

I ask, because folks seem so concerned about this topic, but don't seem to have gleaned anything edifying in any way. Have I not made myself clear?   

You certainly have a lot of requests for someone that sent in a zillion reports to FC to get us banned.

Suppose you were successful <we know you werent>How would you sleep at night not hearing from us again?

Very soundly, I assure you. lol

Its a waste to answer you anymore RE stuff u have asked cos i have answered you and you are set in your answers no matter what i say.

I have no prob to agree to disagree with you because of how u ask.You dont ask to wanna learn.You ask to debate.As i told u,why do u waste your time as u claim to read bible?Your doctrines are in LALA land.

The doctrines I teach are the pure, undiluted Gospel, unsullied by any Church, Organization or person. You can not say the same. Everything you believe comes from the prism of the Watchtower and it's early founders. 

It's not 'debate' that's the issue here. I want you to think for yourself, man. The Watchtower is dragging you down and keeping you from the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

As Paul said "No man's blood can be laid at my door." I spoke plainly for you and everyone who reads this about the folly of Watchtower theology.

What i dont appreciate about you is you are a liar.You make us sound like so many things that couldnt be furthur from the truth.Again its like discussing the bible with you.You are set in your ways.

Why dont you go to 1 assembly,convention or just 1 meeting of JWs and see they have the identifying quality Jesus spoke of......love among themselves worldwide.

I have never spoken disrespectfully of JWs. By and large they are good people who seek to do no harm. (They generally aren't radicalized to the point of violence like the followers Islam or Black Hebrew Israelites) But they are trapped in a cult by the Watchtower. All their zeal and love for God is worthless if they do not have the Jesus of the scripture as their Savior.

Seriously to win the debate <as u see it>not me is all that matters?And then to see in your mind Hitch and his staff still here frustrate you.Before you win you have to lose.

Honestly, if you never want to hear from me again, it's very simple. Either

A) Ignore Me

or

B) Don't abuse folks with your JW propaganda. Let it end here. Now.

But, no. I'll be back next month and this very topic will have another 6 or 7 replies that I will need to refute. And it goes on endlessly. Is that what you really want?

I dont wanna touch much on the bible stuff,

Understandable, seeing as how I refuted all your previous claims above.

so tell me who resurrected Jesus?

Simple question, deserving of a simple answer,

John 2:18-22

The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”

 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”  But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

You see Jesus was born twice.

That is completely and unequivalently false. Jesus is not a created being. I'd quote John 1:1, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears (eyes?) since the JW translation has already altered that verse to make it say what will fit their erroneous beliefs.

 

You see he died to prove he was mortal.

This is perhaps the most outlandish thing I've ever read you say for years now. But, I'm glad you finally said it, since -if you don't believe Jesus is God incarnate- why did God even send Him? Now we know. To die a painful, torturous death---just to prove He was mortal!

I find this surprising, since by your beliefs, God will not punish the souls of the corrupt in Hell, but you find it understandable that God sent His beloved Son to die an excruciating death- for no justifiable reason.

For the record, we Christians believe He died to pay our sin debt- to take God's righteous wrath upon Himself to spare us. What did the JW Jesus death accomplish? Proving He was mortal! Unreal....

Jehovah is alpha and omega.That is more then enuff to see they are NOT equal.Then there are intangibles.Jesus saying father is my God and greater then I.Jesus NEVER rivaling Jehovah.Jesus resurrected in spirit and NOT recognized.Man you are really blind and u cant accept it.

Again, I've explained this to you COUNTLESS times. Jesus was speaking in the incarnation. Of course The Father is greater than He. Was your father LESS than you in importance in your family? If he was, his children were certainly not obeying the command to honor your father.

Jesus never rivaled the Father because He did The WILL of the Father.

Jesus was Resurrected in the flesh- they touched and ATE with Him! They certainly recognized Him to do that! If not, who's to say the Devil didn't appear to them in spirit and mislead them all? The Watchtower theology is so broken, it creates more problems than it purports to 'fix'. 

I could throw a ton more verses out there that you'll ignore, but since it's near Christmas, I'll use this one I was reading just yesterday-

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

In one brief, prophetic verse, the trinity is outlined right there in the Old Testament. Did you catch it? One more time-

For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
This is Jesus Christ he's talking about-

    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And what will He be called?
And he will be called

    Wonderful Counselor, Thus, equal to the Holy Spirit, who is described as The Councilor in John 14 (which we've hardly gotten into. The JWs believe the Holy Ghost is an impersonal entity, like The Force in Star Wars. Now, I'm a big Star Wars fan, but The Holy Ghost can hardly be described thus.He's a person of the trinity)

Mighty God, Did you catch that? Mighty God This is the Son being described, NOT Jehovah God.

    Everlasting Father, Do I need to say anymore? The Son here is made equal with The Father God. Both Everlasting, both Eternal. Jesus was NOT created.

 Prince of Peace.

So send in more reports what can i tell you.That seems to work as a sedative to you.You lie you are leaving.We proved u wrong then u get even by saying we stalk.We are ALWAYS 1 step ahead of you and u cant handle it.We know u signed on few Xs a day with not caring to earn to ck on us...LOL!!

Then u try to get other JWs on your side when u have NO use for them.Seriously JJ...Grow up.

So, hey... I'm giving you a free education that most bible collages would charge you thousands for.   All I ask in return is that you take what I say seriously. Don't hide behind whatever the Watchtower tells you. Think for yourself. You'll find the God of the bible was never hard to find. Sola Scriptura.

https://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-is-jesus-called-eternal-father-at.html

http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-did-thomas-say-my-lord-and-my-god.html

[king4cash]

This is a new year, let's just be good to each other....

[teresa3200]

Oh my this seems to be a long standing argument.

[JediJohnnie]

If only you'd go back to just stalking my FC log-ins instead of posting your jibba jabba, you might make yourself look only slightly more sane. lol.

We really could care less how many Xs you sign off/on.We just get a kick out of you telling everyone you are going on vacation or wont be on for awhile and check in 3/4Xs a day to see whats new with us...LOL!!

Then like we have said a zillion times when your stomach festers to the point where u have to go into your refuting mode...BINGO!!

We can leave you alone..trust that.And your snake GF thinks we dont see her shots here and there.LOL!!

The FESTER Twins U and CG!!LOL!!

I'm not willing that your false doctrine will fool even one person, Lester.

[Donnamarg323]

If only you'd go back to just stalking my FC log-ins instead of posting your jibba jabba, you might make yourself look only slightly more sane. lol.

We really could care less how many Xs you sign off/on.We just get a kick out of you telling everyone you are going on vacation or wont be on for awhile and check in 3/4Xs a day to see whats new with us...LOL!!

Then like we have said a zillion times when your stomach festers to the point where u have to go into your refuting mode...BINGO!!

We can leave you alone..trust that.And your snake GF thinks we dont see her shots here and there.LOL!!

The FESTER Twins U and CG!!LOL!!

I'm not willing that your false doctrine will fool even one person, Lester.

My false doctrine?Sorry,i am just a discreet slave to the Word of Jehovah.

[JediJohnnie]

Oh my this seems to be a long standing argument.

An understatement to be sure...

[JediJohnnie]

This is a new year, let's just be good to each other....

If only you'd go back to just stalking my FC log-ins instead of posting your jibba jabba, you might make yourself look only slightly more sane. lol.

We really could care less how many Xs you sign off/on.We just get a kick out of you telling everyone you are going on vacation or wont be on for awhile and check in 3/4Xs a day to see whats new with us...LOL!!

Then like we have said a zillion times when your stomach festers to the point where u have to go into your refuting mode...BINGO!!

We can leave you alone..trust that.And your snake GF thinks we dont see her shots here and there.LOL!!

The FESTER Twins U and CG!!LOL!!

I'm not willing that your false doctrine will fool even one person, Lester.

My false doctrine?Sorry,i am just a discreet slave to the Word of Jehovah.

You mean a slave of Jehovah Witness bad theology to be sure.....

[JediJohnnie]

Hey hitch, since you're so fond of dropping links instead of manning up and answering things in your own words, I'll drop a link and ask what you think of this upcoming special about the JWs covering up for sexual predators among their ranks.

https://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/jehovahs-witnesses-keep-secret-database-of-potential-sexual-predators

[JediJohnnie]

So lets summarize the past- oh, lets just limit it to the last 3 pages:

Thomas worshiped Jesus as God having seen Him in the Resurrected flesh

Jesus accepted Thomas worship as God, proving He is equal with God the Father.

God should be referred to as Our Father, per Jesus instruction.

Christians understand that God allows Himself to be identified in Scripture with terms other than 'Jehovah'

God condones, allows and created special holidays to be observed in the Bible

Soul Sleep is not a scriptural doctrine in light of 1 Peter 3: 18- 21

The Watchtower has tried countless times to predict the End Of The World- both under founder Charles Taze Russell and his successors- and failed miserably time after time. ( a feat that would cause most to question the movement's validity as "God's Organisation")

The JWs don't allow their members to read literature that contradicts the Watchtower programming for fear they'll ask unanswerable questions that'll expose their heresy.

The JWs believe in 'shunning' people who leave their 'organisation' for fear they may convince others to do likewise.

John The Apostle warned us in 2 John of people who would lead us astray by claiming things beyond Christ's teaching and not believing in the Resurrection- and that we should not listen to them or encourage them in any way.

Has hitch/Drutts/Donna/LesterThePester/EricMyChild/GomerPyle or whatever he's calling himself on any given day actually addressed these points I've made in any clear and compelling way?

I ask, because folks seem so concerned about this topic, but don't seem to have gleaned anything edifying in any way. Have I not made myself clear?   

You certainly have a lot of requests for someone that sent in a zillion reports to FC to get us banned.

Suppose you were successful <we know you werent>How would you sleep at night not hearing from us again?

Very soundly, I assure you. lol

Its a waste to answer you anymore RE stuff u have asked cos i have answered you and you are set in your answers no matter what i say.

I have no prob to agree to disagree with you because of how u ask.You dont ask to wanna learn.You ask to debate.As i told u,why do u waste your time as u claim to read bible?Your doctrines are in LALA land.

The doctrines I teach are the pure, undiluted Gospel, unsullied by any Church, Organization or person. You can not say the same. Everything you believe comes from the prism of the Watchtower and it's early founders. 

It's not 'debate' that's the issue here. I want you to think for yourself, man. The Watchtower is dragging you down and keeping you from the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

As Paul said "No man's blood can be laid at my door." I spoke plainly for you and everyone who reads this about the folly of Watchtower theology.

What i dont appreciate about you is you are a liar.You make us sound like so many things that couldnt be furthur from the truth.Again its like discussing the bible with you.You are set in your ways.

Why dont you go to 1 assembly,convention or just 1 meeting of JWs and see they have the identifying quality Jesus spoke of......love among themselves worldwide.

I have never spoken disrespectfully of JWs. By and large they are good people who seek to do no harm. (They generally aren't radicalized to the point of violence like the followers Islam or Black Hebrew Israelites) But they are trapped in a cult by the Watchtower. All their zeal and love for God is worthless if they do not have the Jesus of the scripture as their Savior.

Seriously to win the debate <as u see it>not me is all that matters?And then to see in your mind Hitch and his staff still here frustrate you.Before you win you have to lose.

Honestly, if you never want to hear from me again, it's very simple. Either

A) Ignore Me

or

B) Don't abuse folks with your JW propaganda. Let it end here. Now.

But, no. I'll be back next month and this very topic will have another 6 or 7 replies that I will need to refute. And it goes on endlessly. Is that what you really want?

I dont wanna touch much on the bible stuff,

Understandable, seeing as how I refuted all your previous claims above.

so tell me who resurrected Jesus?

Simple question, deserving of a simple answer,

John 2:18-22

The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”

 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”  But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

You see Jesus was born twice.

That is completely and unequivalently false. Jesus is not a created being. I'd quote John 1:1, but I know it'll fall on deaf ears (eyes?) since the JW translation has already altered that verse to make it say what will fit their erroneous beliefs.

 

You see he died to prove he was mortal.

This is perhaps the most outlandish thing I've ever read you say for years now. But, I'm glad you finally said it, since -if you don't believe Jesus is God incarnate- why did God even send Him? Now we know. To die a painful, torturous death---just to prove He was mortal!

I find this surprising, since by your beliefs, God will not punish the souls of the corrupt in Hell, but you find it understandable that God sent His beloved Son to die an excruciating death- for no justifiable reason.

For the record, we Christians believe He died to pay our sin debt- to take God's righteous wrath upon Himself to spare us. What did the JW Jesus death accomplish? Proving He was mortal! Unreal....

Jehovah is alpha and omega.That is more then enuff to see they are NOT equal.Then there are intangibles.Jesus saying father is my God and greater then I.Jesus NEVER rivaling Jehovah.Jesus resurrected in spirit and NOT recognized.Man you are really blind and u cant accept it.

Again, I've explained this to you COUNTLESS times. Jesus was speaking in the incarnation. Of course The Father is greater than He. Was your father LESS than you in importance in your family? If he was, his children were certainly not obeying the command to honor your father.

Jesus never rivaled the Father because He did The WILL of the Father.

Jesus was Resurrected in the flesh- they touched and ATE with Him! They certainly recognized Him to do that! If not, who's to say the Devil didn't appear to them in spirit and mislead them all? The Watchtower theology is so broken, it creates more problems than it purports to 'fix'. 

I could throw a ton more verses out there that you'll ignore, but since it's near Christmas, I'll use this one I was reading just yesterday-

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

In one brief, prophetic verse, the trinity is outlined right there in the Old Testament. Did you catch it? One more time-

For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
This is Jesus Christ he's talking about-

    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And what will He be called?
And he will be called

    Wonderful Counselor, Thus, equal to the Holy Spirit, who is described as The Councilor in John 14 (which we've hardly gotten into. The JWs believe the Holy Ghost is an impersonal entity, like The Force in Star Wars. Now, I'm a big Star Wars fan, but The Holy Ghost can hardly be described thus.He's a person of the trinity)

Mighty God, Did you catch that? Mighty God This is the Son being described, NOT Jehovah God.

    Everlasting Father, Do I need to say anymore? The Son here is made equal with The Father God. Both Everlasting, both Eternal. Jesus was NOT created.

 Prince of Peace.

So send in more reports what can i tell you.That seems to work as a sedative to you.You lie you are leaving.We proved u wrong then u get even by saying we stalk.We are ALWAYS 1 step ahead of you and u cant handle it.We know u signed on few Xs a day with not caring to earn to ck on us...LOL!!

Then u try to get other JWs on your side when u have NO use for them.Seriously JJ...Grow up.

So, hey... I'm giving you a free education that most bible collages would charge you thousands for.   All I ask in return is that you take what I say seriously. Don't hide behind whatever the Watchtower tells you. Think for yourself. You'll find the God of the bible was never hard to find. Sola Scriptura.

https://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-is-jesus-called-eternal-father-at.html

http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-did-thomas-say-my-lord-and-my-god.html

I think I've dealt with both of these tracts before. For the record, the above is but a word salad designed to quibble over whether 'Father means Father God' (in the context used, it does) and the below one is another sad attempt at denying Christ's divinity by hiding behind the verse "No Man may see the Father."  That may be true, but Jesus is the Son-God in the flesh- of which there is no such prohibition.

[Donnamarg323]

This is a new year, let's just be good to each other....

If only you'd go back to just stalking my FC log-ins instead of posting your jibba jabba, you might make yourself look only slightly more sane. lol.

We really could care less how many Xs you sign off/on.We just get a kick out of you telling everyone you are going on vacation or wont be on for awhile and check in 3/4Xs a day to see whats new with us...LOL!!

Then like we have said a zillion times when your stomach festers to the point where u have to go into your refuting mode...BINGO!!

We can leave you alone..trust that.And your snake GF thinks we dont see her shots here and there.LOL!!

The FESTER Twins U and CG!!LOL!!

I'm not willing that your false doctrine will fool even one person, Lester.

My false doctrine?Sorry,i am just a discreet slave to the Word of Jehovah.

You mean a slave of Jehovah Witness bad theology to be sure.....

2nd Tim 3 :16  16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,* for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

[Drutts0643]

Wasnt Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven?

Remove the bad one from among you.

[JediJohnnie]

Wasnt Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven?

Remove the bad one from among you.

So you're saying "God's Organisation" has it's own share of predators? How is that possible?

I seem to remember you mocking the Catholic Church for it's share of 'indiscretions.'

That's what happens when you put your faith in any organisation, over God.

[Drutts0643]

Wasnt Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven?

Remove the bad one from among you.

So you're saying "God's Organisation" has it's own share of predators? How is that possible?

I seem to remember you mocking the Catholic Church for it's share of 'indiscretions.'

That's what happens when you put your faith in any organisation, over God.

I guess if thats how u feel,how come u dont get on Jesus case RE Judas?

LEMME answer.......you are in desperation mode.

Romans 3:23


23  For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,a

[JediJohnnie]

Wasnt Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven?

Remove the bad one from among you.

So you're saying "God's Organisation" has it's own share of predators? How is that possible?

I seem to remember you mocking the Catholic Church for it's share of 'indiscretions.'

That's what happens when you put your faith in any organisation, over God.

I guess if thats how u feel,how come u dont get on Jesus case RE Judas?

LEMME answer.......you are in desperation mode.

Romans 3:23


23  For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,a

I'd hate to think that you were comparing Jesus to the Watchtower. Jesus- having the omnipotence of God.

You're not answering the question. Why would 'God's Organisation' be subject to such flaws as to covering up predators? Doesn't that make them as bad as the Catholic Church? Isn't your congregation as flawed and worldly as they? How can you throw stones?

[Drutts0643]

Wasnt Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven?

Remove the bad one from among you.

So you're saying "God's Organisation" has it's own share of predators? How is that possible?

I seem to remember you mocking the Catholic Church for it's share of 'indiscretions.'

That's what happens when you put your faith in any organisation, over God.

I guess if thats how u feel,how come u dont get on Jesus case RE Judas?

LEMME answer.......you are in desperation mode.

Romans 3:23


23  For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,a

I'd hate to think that you were comparing Jesus to the Watchtower. Jesus- having the omnipotence of God.

You're not answering the question. Why would 'God's Organisation' be subject to such flaws as to covering up predators? Doesn't that make them as bad as the Catholic Church? Isn't your congregation as flawed and worldly as they? How can you throw stones?

The 10 people that are in your whatever you call yourselves......any predators among the 10?I certainly know there is an AH!!