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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2020, 08:40:45 am »
I don't think the idea is to just shut down Police Departments; but re-direct some of their funding to enhance community programs and cut out some of their overtime, we need police officers but they need better training  in understanding the communities they serve.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2020, 08:48:21 am »
can't punish everyone because of a very few bad cops   weed the bad ones out!

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2020, 08:50:46 am »
No way they can shut down the police department, people will go wild.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2020, 09:11:23 am »
However, if you are alluding to the Defund the Police campaigns, those are not calling for eradications of police forces. Those campaigns call for police budgets to be cut and the potential funds to be reallocated elsewhere - education, housing, public health, etc.

I'm all for more training if it could weed out bad cops, but how are we going to give them more training with less funding?
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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2020, 12:32:38 pm »
Read that in Seattle now they have people going to homes for money food etc. If not given then the homes are ran sacked.  What crazies  what is happening. Send in the military if needed.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2020, 01:09:10 pm »
I had a discussion, with my cousin from Chicago, about this yesterday. Apparently the schools have been defunded, mental health facilities have been defunded, public health facilities have been defunded and most people do not have insurance, and they are looking at scaling back funding for the police. Public sector unions are still running strong which forces Illinois to be in second position (in the United States) for having the highest property taxes as home owners pay pensions for police and school administration.Wisconsin has the third highest property taxes-also due primarily to Public sector unions. So the population in Illinois will have uneducated, untreated mental health patients and no police to work things out as homeowners continue to pay pensions for government workers that have unions (why does one need a union when you are a government worker?). Sounds like Gotham city in the making.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2020, 01:58:29 pm »
However, if you are alluding to the Defund the Police campaigns, those are not calling for eradications of police forces. Those campaigns call for police budgets to be cut and the potential funds to be reallocated elsewhere - education, housing, public health, etc.

I'm all for more training if it could weed out bad cops, but how are we going to give them more training with less funding?

Many police stations in the country already receive the largest cut of city budgets. Specifically, in the cases of LA and NY that means over $1 billion while other crucial areas (already mentioned i.e. education, housing, etc.) only receive a fraction of that. If that isn't enough for them to get proper training, what will be?

Also, I've heard suggestions about officers being required to have degrees (sociology, law, etc.) and I think that is a good idea, too.
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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2020, 02:00:51 pm »
I don't think the idea is to just shut down Police Departments; but re-direct some of their funding to enhance community programs and cut out some of their overtime, we need police officers but they need better training  in understanding the communities they serve.

Exactly! Once again, people are basing opinions off of initial hearsay without doing any kind of background research on the topic.
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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2020, 02:25:55 pm »
I don't think the idea is to just shut down Police Departments; but re-direct some of their funding to enhance community programs and cut out some of their overtime, we need police officers but they need better training  in understanding the communities they serve.

Exactly! Once again, people are basing opinions off of initial hearsay without doing any kind of background research on the topic.

It depends on who you're talking to.
If you are talking about the Marxist group BLM organization, they literally want to Defund the Police & have none -- which they openly state.
If you are talking about the AntiFa / Anarchists, they literally want to get rid of all government including the Police. Defund the Police, literally means to Defund the Police. Look at their Seattle Occupied Zone currently -- CHAZ now called CHOP.

Most people are rational & have re-imagined the slogan "Defund the Police" to really mean "Reform the Police" because to actually have no police is crazy to most, so needed to be re branded to mainstream.

Minneapolis is planning to completely defund & dismantle their current police department.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Garcetti was booed after stating LA was going to restructure their police department, but would not commit to a total dismantling. Not left enough for the leftist.

The slogan "Defund the Police" is not just one standard definition agreed on by everybody.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2020, 03:29:49 pm »
I don't think the idea is to just shut down Police Departments; but re-direct some of their funding to enhance community programs and cut out some of their overtime, we need police officers but they need better training  in understanding the communities they serve.

Exactly! Once again, people are basing opinions off of initial hearsay without doing any kind of background research on the topic.

It depends on who you're talking to.
If you are talking about the Marxist group BLM organization, they literally want to Defund the Police & have none -- which they openly state.
If you are talking about the AntiFa / Anarchists, they literally want to get rid of all government including the Police. Defund the Police, literally means to Defund the Police. Look at their Seattle Occupied Zone currently -- CHAZ now called CHOP.

Most people are rational & have re-imagined the slogan "Defund the Police" to really mean "Reform the Police" because to actually have no police is crazy to most, so needed to be re branded to mainstream.

Minneapolis is planning to completely defund & dismantle their current police department.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Garcetti was booed after stating LA was going to restructure their police department, but would not commit to a total dismantling. Not left enough for the leftist.

The slogan "Defund the Police" is not just one standard definition agreed on by everybody.

You are correct; it is not a standard term all around.

From everything I've read, BLM (in LA, maybe NY also) wants to have the funds reallocated to other areas rather than a complete dismantling. Many people have stated that during protests and news interviews. Mayor Garcetti was booed because he proposed reducing the police funds by about $100-150 mil. which is only a small fraction of the over $1.5 bil. (?) budget which people found to be too insignificant.

I have glanced over a couple of articles that bring up examples of towns that have successfully disbanded police forces but haven't read much about them, yet, so Idk how they're faring. This appears to be the approach that Minneapolis wants to take.
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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2020, 05:27:06 pm »
I'm tired of just about everything being "racist" even when some things are not.

People want Penny Lane's name changed even when it has nothing to do with slavery like they claim it is.

They're tearing down historic statues and want to take over a police station without having to buy it at all like normal people would have to do.

Pretty soon,they'll get history removed entirely and no one will be able to learn the truth at all.

It'll all be a made up fairytale where no one was racist against each other.

Sure,there's lots of racist stuff in history,but it's racist against everyone and we can't help what people did in the past.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2020, 04:49:16 am »
I don't think the idea is to just shut down Police Departments; but re-direct some of their funding to enhance community programs and cut out some of their overtime, we need police officers but they need better training  in understanding the communities they serve.

Maybe you did not read the articles or do not understand what is happening. The idea is to disband the police departments. Not cut their overtime.  And no they do not need "better training".  You have one or two in a department that are bad.  They do not reflect the entire department.  Just like in retail when ONE employee makes fun of a customer to the entire staff has to take 2 full days of "sensitivity training". ::)

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2020, 04:50:05 am »
Read that in Seattle now they have people going to homes for money food etc. If not given then the homes are ran sacked.  What crazies  what is happening. Send in the military if needed.

Then the home owners need to be able to protect themselves.

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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2020, 05:07:05 am »
I agree that the police departments need to get rid of the bad apples and receive better training, right now and I know this from the mouth of a person that has been involved on the facts, that the have been trained with military tactics, I believe they need to stop that and arming them with military equipment and give them a course on empathy and humanity, but not to dismantle them.  Not all police officers are bad, I believe that the good ones (which are more than the bad ones) need to report the bad actions and not been fired themselves for doing the right thing, like is happening in many cases now.

I also believe is stupid and ridiculous that they would try to remove all shows that have something to do with police (Paw Patrol really! my grand babies love the show and it is very educational) or anything to do with Black people.  Statutes should be moved somewhere that can show the history of it, but remove even the ones that show history of discovery (Christopher Columbus) is just totally ridiculous.
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Re: Shutting down the Police Departments
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2020, 09:05:30 am »
We are going back to the old west.  Without police its going to be easier to implement your own justice and someone breaks into your house its now the death penalty.

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