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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2020, 07:04:24 am »
I like "Washington Cherry Blossoms."

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2020, 10:22:25 am »
I'm not sure I understand why they need to change the  name.  It was picked to honor american indians.  It refers to them in a positive way.  The team wants to be compared to those characteristics - strong, brave, fighting, etc.  It doesn't look down on American Indians.   How do American Indians feel about having sports teams named after them ?

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2020, 03:53:27 pm »
Their names were ok for years so they should be left alone!!!!!!!

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2020, 10:33:14 pm »
I'm not sure I understand why they need to change the  name.  It was picked to honor american indians.  It refers to them in a positive way.  The team wants to be compared to those characteristics - strong, brave, fighting, etc.  It doesn't look down on American Indians.   How do American Indians feel about having sports teams named after them ?

Are you serious right now?  It's not positive it's derogatory.  Native Americans are the ones who have been fighting to change the name for years. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin
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Redskin is a slang term for Native Americans in the United States and First Nations in Canada. The term "redskin" underwent pejoration through the 19th to early 20th centuries[1] and in contemporary dictionaries of American English it is labeled "usually offensive",[2] "disparaging",[3][4] "insulting",[5] or "taboo".[6]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/washington-redskins-name-controversy-native-americans-racism-white-people-a9058881.html

Dear white people, stop telling Native Americans like me whether we're offended by the Washington Redskins
My tribe doesn’t identify as 'redskins' – this is a derogatory term coined by colonialists often historically used interchangeably with 'savages'


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This article was written in August 2019 but is being republished today due to recent news events and its continued relevance to those events

The Washington Post recently published an article which claimed that “the majority of Native Americans still aren’t offended by the name of Washington Redskins.” The article comes amid ongoing debate over whether the name of the US capital’s football team is racist.

Upon reading the poll’s findings, we quickly learn that the publication conducted this survey via phone with 500 “self-identified” Native Americans. The Post also profiled 12 of the participants who had various opinions on the mascot debate – with an emphasis on those who approve of the Washington Redskins. Curiously, the Post conducted this same survey in 2016.
Even if groups of self-identified Native Americans don’t find the term offensive, “redskins” is still racist on its face. Of the 12 profiled by WaPo, there was at least one authentic Native pointing to the fact that Natives often use the term “skins” to describe one another. This is similar to black communities reclaiming the n-word, but, likewise, not every Native person uses this word.

Should a team representing the capital of the United States really be embracing a racial slur? Washington DC is the historic gathering place for calls to action and protest centre of policy in America. The dictionary defines the term “redskins” as a racial slur, which should shut down any debate. Several Native organizations and tribes have petitioned the Washington Redskins to change their name.

Growing up on the Northern Cheyenne reservation in Montana, I wasn’t removed from my culture and community. Being rooted in heritage meant my education started with elders passing on oral history, including language used to dehumanize our ancestors. My tribe doesn’t identify as “redskins”. This is a derogatory term coined by colonialists often historically used interchangeably with “savages”.

Racism runs rampant in towns and cities neighbouring large Indigenous populations. I’ve been told to “go back to the reservation” and asked by white people to search for their stolen items on the reservation. The drunk Indian trope permeates majority-white towns and cities where Natives live in poverty. Plains Indians have also faced slurs such as “prairie n-words” and our women referred to using the derogatory term “squaw.”

I come from the proud Northern Cheyenne tribe who along with allies defeated Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn. We’ve refused to sell our resources. Our flag is simple, but powerful. My ancestors rejected forced migration south and were captured and imprisoned by the US Army in Fort Robinson, Nebraska. They broke out of their barracks and returned to their ancestral homelands. Each year, the Northern Cheyenne conduct a spiritual run that begins with breaking out of the same barracks and ends with ceremonies upon returning home.

Resistance literally runs through our veins. Our schools feature mascots such as Braves, Warriors, and Indians. Absent are the caricatures of mainstream Washington Redskin fandom. We don’t partake in the “tomahawk chop” or reduce heritage to stereotypical chants. Our events usually involve our cultural singing and traditions. We don’t act a fool in headdresses—those are sacred symbols with meaning.

Many sports events in my community are actually carried out according to Northern Cheyenne tradition and incorporate respect for elders. Dialogue among “self-identified” Natives not associated with their heritage or community often overlooks key aspects to understanding history. It also lacks the lived experience.
We don’t need polls to ascertain that racial slurs are offensive. We don’t even need to compare them to “the n-word” to illustrate they’re plain wrong. What is the point of polls on the topic? They discredit work Indigenous activists have done championing for change and progression. Polls also erase Native voices who continue speaking out using the hashtag #NotYourMascot. Washington DC is supposed to be a progressive and tolerant city, yet this issue comes up for rigorous debate every few years.


While other organizations in the United States have listened to Native activists and gotten rid of offensive mascot names, a sports team representing our nation’s capitol proudly flies racism. Hiding behind “self-identified” Native Americans urging nations deeply rooted in community to get over it represents everything that is Washington DC. Not just in the era of Trump, either. We still have a lot of work to do.

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2020, 02:31:37 pm »
About time.

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2020, 08:10:15 pm »
Pretty soon you won't be able to say anything. If you say the,it,so or what. People will get offended. For real oh sorry cant say that.

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2020, 04:27:34 am »
Pretty soon you won't be able to say anything. If you say the,it,so or what. People will get offended. For real oh sorry cant say that.


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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2020, 09:26:39 am »
What's in a name, just do the right thing.  It is just a football team.

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2020, 10:28:48 am »
Read an article just yesterday about the Redskins and the logo. Blackie Wetzel was the creator of the logo and his grandfather did the logo and was proud of it. Up until then, the logo was only an 'R' on the helmets and did not show pride in the Blackfoot Nation. The grandson said, "The logo will now be returned to our people, but at that moment in time in the 70s until now, my grandfather pulled the coup of the century."

"It was often assumed the team used the imagery of Chief White Calf for their benefit, when instead Blackie used them for our Blackfeet benefit, and we introduced that power into the minds of our nation and world. Chief Two Guns White Calf held camp inside the NFL for almost 50 years as Blackie returned the honor given to him. The gift was never between the NFL team and Blackie, it was always between Blackie and our Blackfeet Chiefs. The image is embedded within the world’s psyche, and it is Blackfeet. He took nothing for it, but smiled every time he saw it, affirming, “Indians are proud of Indians.”


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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2021, 11:26:44 am »
Why did Washington change their logo? I think they had a great logo and I don't understand why they decided to change it. By the way, I like their new logo much less. I run a gym and I know firsthand how difficult it is to make a fitness brand logo that is truly unique. I had to spend quite a lot of time and effort to find a professional who could create something worthwhile. My friend has been looking for a specialist for 3 months who could create a logo for him. Therefore, every experienced specialist really needs to be highly appreciated.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 12:50:30 am by Rakhim »

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Re: Washington Redskins changing name and logo
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2021, 11:55:02 am »
I do think that things are getting out of hand with changing so many names that have been around for so long.  Before long everything will be changed.

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