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Why do Christians hate atheists?
Why should Christians hate atheists for not believing in their god? Perhaps "hate" is too strong a word in some cases (though appropriate in others), but the simple fact is that Christians do look with considerable animosity toward people who do not subscribe to the idea that there is a god looking down upon Earth, he sent himself as a human to die for mankind's sins, and the only way to heaven is to accept him as a savior.
This kind of animosity surfaces as anything from avoidance & distrust to outright hatred toward the nonbeliever. Yet, why is this necessary? I for one don't believe in Bigfoot or ESP, yet I've never encountered hatred or animosity from those who do. But when it comes to a religion such as Christianity, its adherents will cling to it and defend it against anyone or anything they perceive to be a threat to it. They definitely perceive atheism as a threat to Christianity, and so the hate ensues.
Yet, why should atheism be such a threat toward Christianity? Christians have many reasons for believing in and following their religion, and most have very strong faith. So strong, in fact, that they will believe that every word in the bible is 100% literal truth, including a talking snake, worldwide flood, and people rising from the dead. Things without evidence that if you claimed happened in this day & age, they would demand to see proof. But are they really so steadfast in their belief? And is their belief based on what they know to be factual evidence? If so, it's doubtful that you would see any kind of hatred toward nonbelievers.
For example, it's not hard to believe that the sun exists. It is there in our sky every day, warming our planet and giving life to every living thing. Yet, you never hear anyone say that they don't believe in the sun. Why is this? Simple, that there is ample evidence to show that it exists. It rises every day in the east and sets in the west (actually our planet rotates making it appear so). It has been there for the past several million years, and there's no evidence that it's going away soon. If you stand outside all day pondering whether or not the sun is really there, you can suffer a bad sunburn. Yes, we have evidence the sun exists, so nobody believes it doesn't.
Yet, if there were people who claimed that it didn't exist, they would be looked upon as insane. Their mental state would be called into question and they would be dismissed as kooks. But, they would not be hated for their odd belief.
If there was solid evidence for God's existence, there would be no atheists. Everyone would believe. If God was seen in the sky every day, anyone who claimed not to believe in him would be looked upon the same as those who would claim the sun didn't exist.
So this is the basic problem with Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is that they rely solely on belief and not evidence. Since there is no evidence of God's existence, people who don't believe are not in the same category as those who wouldn't believe in the sun. There are plenty of logical reasons to not believe in God, but the sun has ample evidence of its existence.
This appears to be one of the reasons for all the animosity Christians have toward nonbelievers. It's not just the "if you're not with us, you must be against us" attitude, but perhaps because deep down Christians know that they don't have ample evidence for God's existence. What do they have? A thousands-year-old book filled with stories of talking snakes, global floods, and dead people coming back to life that was written by superstitious sheep herders who didn't have the benefit of modern science with which to understand the world. They also have faith. Faith based on this ancient book, and nothing else. This is a very tenuous position to say the least.
It very well could be that Christians, deep down, are afraid that atheists may be right. Yet they are too frightened to even entertain the possibility. Ever try to have an honest conversation with a Christian about doubts of God's existence? They tend to avoid the question altogether as taboo, or threaten you with eternal damnation for even bringing up the idea. But why is this so taboo with Christians? Skepticism is healthy, and everything should be questioned. This is how knowledge works. Yet when it comes to the question of God's existence, this is one thing they avoid completely.
Going back to the sun analogy, have you ever heard anyone afraid to question whether or not the sun exists? If someone told me they doubted the sun exists, I would take them outside and show it to them, and explain how our solar system works. I would not be afraid to touch the question. If they continued with their disbelief, I would write them off as a nut, but wouldn't feel animosity toward them. Yet when you bring up the question of whether God really exists to Christians, they get all spooked out about it. It really makes them feel uncomfortable. Usually the answer to the question is "God exists, that's it!" with no further discussion allowed.
If God really did exist, there should not be any problem with questioning his existence. He never shows himself to anyone these days, though he did in the Old Testament numerous times. In fact, the only time you ever see a sign from God these days is if a picture of the Virgin Mary shows up on a tortilla or water stain. What kind of message this is supposed to be is left up to the reader. But unfortunately for believers, such "signs" can be shown to just be water stains, or odd patterns which mean something only in the mind of the believer.
So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists. We would simply be looked upon as harmless kooks in the face of overwhelming evidence. But this is not the case, and ample evidence exists which shows that religions and gods were made up by man, not the other way around. Yet it must frustrate Christians so that there is so little hard evidence to show not only that their God exists, but Christianity is the one true religion.
So many Christians believe that all atheists are trying to disprove religion, or turn all religious people into nonbelievers. It should be asked that if there is ample evidence for God's existence, would this really be a problem? If one went out trying to convince people that the sun didn't exist, he would gain few followers. It's not true that all atheists want all Christians to become nonbelievers, but it may be true that most atheists want everyone on the planet to use logical and critical thinking, which would be a threat to Christianity or any other religion. Perhaps this is another reason for Christian hatred of atheists, and one reason a lot of Christians have a disdain toward science in favor of biblical belief.
It should be stated that there are many reasons that people of one group will dislike people of another group, and the idea of Christians' beliefs being threatened is just a hypothesis. But it is as logical as any other reason for the knee-jerk gut reaction that many Christians have toward atheism, and the main reason they are even afraid to bring up the question of whether or not God really does exist.
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This appears to be one of the reasons for all the animosity Christians have toward nonbelievers. It's not just the "if you're not with us, you must be against us" attitude, but perhaps because deep down Christians know that they don't have ample evidence for God's existence. What do they have? A thousands-year-old book filled with stories of talking snakes, global floods, and dead people coming back to life that was written by superstitious sheep herders who didn't have the benefit of modern science with which to understand the world. They also have faith. Faith based on this ancient book, and nothing else. This is a very tenuous position to say the least.
I think you hit the nail pretty close to the head here....
I have always felt that they are so defensive about this because they are really just trying to convince themselves, or, decieve "God" into believing that they have no doubts.
They are brainwashed into accepting that even questioning scripture is grounds for eternal damnation, however, I believe they do have questions and that alone scares the bejebus out of them so they argue so heatedly, not so much to convince you, but themselves and Creator. However, even they know that they are ailing miserably in this attempt and it makes them frantic to find some escape from that lake of fire they are convinced they are destined to.
Christian doctrine, in my opinion, is, among other things, heinous mental abuse.
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As do you. Listen honey you want to start all these threads on god I can speak my mind on why you are so scared of people who think for themselves. I am not a sheep nor a follower.
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Well...look at how you guys speak! You say such mean and hateful stuff about our beliefs and intelligence and much more....
Do you not remember last week when you admitted you had doubts and how frightened you were that some demon was on his way to fetch you to hell?
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Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do. I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them. We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them. :star:
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By what you post on here this thread is for you.
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By what you post on here this thread is for you.
Noy at all judging her or any thing but damn I wish, for all of our sakes she would speak to her doctor about modifying er meds.......
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Santa?? The Easter Bunny? Leprechauns?
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Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do. I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them. We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them. :star:
Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less :heart:)
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Come on, now. You are veering off your subject question. It does no good to goad each other instead of discussing what was put before us!!!!!!
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Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do. I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them. We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them. :star:
Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less :heart:)
Thanks, Sherna! That's the way it should be, anyway!
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So this is the basic problem with Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is that they rely solely on belief and not evidence.
Not I...I have evidence.
Not to sure huh?? I...I see the reason I started this thread was so you would quit trying to shove religion down everyone's throat. Go to church if you are so worried about a false prov-icy.
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Amy...she's already diluted your good thread. She is an INTERNET TROLL. Do not respond to her as it will only cause a needless headache. She's psychotic and obviously off her meds. Ignore her.
Christian doctrine, in my opinion, is, among other things, heinous mental abuse.
I concure. If I may repost an image I've posted in other threads...
http://www.wordsoup.com/blog/Holy%20Bible.jpg
I pray for them, but I could never hate them.
If I may pry, why do you pray for them? If it's too personal, forget I said this.
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So this is the basic problem with Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is that they rely solely on belief and not evidence.
Not I...I have evidence.
Marie...I worry about you. You flip flop more than John McCain. You attack people and then flip out when they attack you. You say "just deal with it" but you pose questions for opinions. You say some really insightful things and then immediately afterward you'll say something so completely off the wall that no one wants to take you seriously. You post these long copy/paste jobs (one of which had spyware) but then won't take the time to read the posts of others.
I think you worry too much about what others think of you, and that you worry too much about getting attention for what you think and believe. Why are you so concerned with attention?
Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less :heart: )
Aww! I love you, too, sherna! :wave:
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They dont. True christans dont hate anyone. I dont hate atheists I just feel sorry for them.
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Christian doctrine, in my opinion, is, among other things, heinous mental abuse.
That is your opinion, as you say. Opinion is not fact, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I pray for them, but I could never hate them.
If I may pry, why do you pray for them? If it's too personal, forget I said this.
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They have needs (as do all of us.) I pray for them for anything: cancer, bad days, job interviews, family/friends that are sick, etc. Some even ask me if I would say a little prayer for them. It certainly cannot hurt a thing to pray for anyone. My main answer though, is since I am a Christian, my God wants me to and that settles it for me.
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I wouldn't say Christians hate atheists. I'm a Christian, and if Christians are true followers they don't hate anyone. That doesn't mean that can't become frustrated or angry with them...In my opinion they resent one another because often Christians try pushing their views on atheists and in turn atheists try pushing their views on Christians which can stir up a lot of hostility.
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I wouldn't say Christians hate atheists. I'm a Christian, and if Christians are true followers they don't hate anyone. That doesn't mean that can't become frustrated or angry with them...In my opinion they resent one another because often Christians try pushing their views on atheists and in turn atheists try pushing their views on Christians which can stir up a lot of hostility.
I like what you have to say, here, and totally agree. I'm really glad that Christians are standing up for what we/they believe.
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They dont. True christans dont hate anyone. I dont hate atheists I just feel sorry for them.
Why? And I could say the same as you but I do not. I do not feel sorry for you nor any other believer. And I certainly do not need you nor anyone else feeling sorry for me. I have a wonderful life, as I live it. Just because I do not think like a cult please do not feel sorry for me. I am an individual with a mind and I use it with the knowledge and proof of this world. Feel sorry for the millions of children out there starving, feel sorry for the people who have addictions to drugs, feel sorry for the parents who have had to bury their children before them themselves had a chance in life.
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Santa?? The Easter Bunny? Leprechauns?
Christian doctrine, in my opinion, is, among other things, heinous mental abuse.
You know what I don't like.....is comments like these. For one thing, with the first comment, your argument is to set up to intimidate and create shame in the person for what they believe. (Cruelty)
You stand on a self built intellectually elite platform, looking down on the poor Christian fools with your degrading remarks about their belief; trying to make them feel threatened and ashamed to stand on their position. (Cruel emotional manipulation)
With the entire thread, but culminating in the second remark....well maybe I'm just sum dum ole krischin but...If I were to start a thread about "Why do black people steal from white people" WHAT??!!! You know much heated and outraged comments would be posted in response? Why is that? AHEM, prejudice much?
I AM A CHRISTIAN, therefore I believe and practice Christian Doctrine. Does anyone want to tell me I have been hateful? Have I heinously abused people mentally while defending my Christian beliefs here in this forum??
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So this is the basic problem with Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, is that they rely solely on belief and not evidence.
Not I...I have evidence.
Not to sure huh?? I...I see the reason I started this thread was so you would quit trying to shove religion down everyone's throat. Go to church if you are so worried about a false prov-icy.
??? I am the one that speaks to him...I heard my Grandfather and my puppy Tiffy.
WTF?????
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You have a gift alright
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I do not think its much to brag about honey
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quote (Amy Trivitt)
[Just because I do not think like a cult ...]
Like Sherna was saying about comments, this comment is based only on your opinion. Prove that I am in a cult. Not one time have I made any rude or intimidating comments to you, or anyone else in here, that do not believe as I do. We can agree to disagree without cutting each other's choice down. Also, the way some of you goad Marie is rediculous - at least she's trying to get involved and express what she feels. Sometimes I think some of you actually enjoy goading instead of really debating the questions put forth on here.
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quote (Amy Trivitt)
[Just because I do not think like a cult ...]
Like Sherna was saying about comments, this comment is based only on your opinion. Prove that I am in a cult. Not one time have I made any rude or intimidating comments to you, or anyone else in here, that do not believe as I do. We can agree to disagree without cutting each other's choice down. Also, the way some of you goad Marie is rediculous - at least she's trying to get involved and express what she feels. Sometimes I think some of you actually enjoy goading instead of really debating the questions put forth on here.
And all the comments on god filling up the threads are your opinions prove me wrong and we might have a debate.
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It very well could be that Christians, deep down, are afraid that atheists may be right.
I guess the ones that don't have the Gift.
Absolutely NOT. I know that God is real, and that I am a Christian. Maybe it is the other way around............
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What do they have? A thousands-year-old book filled with stories of talking snakes, global floods, and dead people coming back to life that was written by superstitious sheep herders who didn't have the benefit of modern science with which to understand the world. They also have faith. Faith based on this ancient book, and nothing else. This is a very tenuous position to say the least.
I have VISIONS, I have God ANSWERING PRAYERS, I have myself asking QUESTIONS and GOD ANSWERING THEM... I have spirtual encounters...I have lots of supernatural things going on...sometimes it is bad...but mostly, beautiful.
Go ahead call me what you want, I have reasons to speak as if God is real...while others HOPE?
Well good for you but again what about the millions of children praying to get help with food, with parents?? What about all the "prayers" gone un answered? What makes you more important to god than others?
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It very well could be that Christians, deep down, are afraid that atheists may be right.
I guess the ones that don't have the Gift.
Absolutely NOT. I know that God is real, and that I am a Christian. Maybe it is the other way around............
Not really much of a debater huh?? ::)
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quote (Amy Trivitt)
[Just because I do not think like a cult ...]
Like Sherna was saying about comments, this comment is based only on your opinion. Prove that I am in a cult. Not one time have I made any rude or intimidating comments to you, or anyone else in here, that do not believe as I do. We can agree to disagree without cutting each other's choice down. Also, the way some of you goad Marie is rediculous - at least she's trying to get involved and express what she feels. Sometimes I think some of you actually enjoy goading instead of really debating the questions put forth on here.
And all the comments on god filling up the threads are your opinions prove me wrong and we might have a debate.
Turn it around: All the comments on 'no God' filling up the threads are your opinions. "Prove me wrong and we might have a debate."
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As I said earlier, we can at least agree to disagree and go on from there.
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Anyone who sets up a thread to talk about "hateful" Christians, then gets replies from Christians that say basically "well, don't know about anyone else, but I'm a Christian and I don't hate atheists"....then the thread starter proceeds to make comments implying that Christian beliefs are inferior, degrading them for what they believe.....well, they obviously don't want to debate, they want to Christian bash. Maybe a thread should be started about Why do Atheists hate Christians.
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See all of you have made my thread worth reading and without pure debate on anyone's behalf I have to say im a little disappointed. Sorry you all got so upset by my thinking and putting it on here. Now realize that all you did was make me realize you all are nothing but a bunch of nonsense words about your god and you have no compassion. People are all different we think different, act different and thankfully we all do not go on about such things we cannot back up. I'm glad your prayers were answered but in all actuality you made things possible no one else. And talking to a dog that's just ludicrous and made no sense what so ever. I only started this thread as there are a handful of GOD threads, about time some fresh outlook is on here.
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Thats why you pull up your big girl panties and have thick skin...
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Amy - you cannot speak for Christians in what you said above. It sounds to me that you are not open to debate and handle it by showing the very same animosity you mentioned above. You attack back with opinionated words and that's not a good testimony to whatever it is you have faith in.
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See all of you have made my thread worth reading and without pure debate on anyone's behalf I have to say im a little disappointed. Sorry you all got so upset by my thinking and putting it on here. Now realize that all you did was make me realize you all are nothing but a bunch of nonsense words about your god and you have no compassion. People are all different we think different, act different and thankfully we all do not go on about such things we cannot back up. I'm glad your prayers were answered but in all actuality you made things possible no one else. And talking to a dog that's just ludicrous and made no sense what so ever. I only started this thread as there are a handful of GOD threads, about time some fresh outlook is on here.
Obviously you haven't read all the God threads because the skeptics have not been shy about posting their side of debate. And the most heated debates are normally started by the queen of atheism herself! Your thread has served no purpose but to insult Christians. No one has debated you here because all you have done is insult people. I personally don't debate with people that are going to be disrespectful in their tactics to respond.
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What do they have? A thousands-year-old book filled with stories of talking snakes, global floods, and dead people coming back to life that was written by superstitious sheep herders who didn't have the benefit of modern science with which to understand the world. They also have faith. Faith based on this ancient book, and nothing else. This is a very tenuous position to say the least.
I have VISIONS, I have God ANSWERING PRAYERS, I have myself asking QUESTIONS and GOD ANSWERING THEM... I have spirtual encounters...I have lots of supernatural things going on...sometimes it is bad...but mostly, beautiful.
Go ahead call me what you want, I have reasons to speak as if God is real...while others HOPE?
Well good for you but again what about the millions of children praying to get help with food, with parents?? What about all the "prayers" gone un answered? What makes you more important to god than others?
Are they children of God? I know since I was a toddler, I have know about him.
Are you saying G-d only cares about the children that believe?
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See all of you have made my thread worth reading and without pure debate on anyone's behalf I have to say im a little disappointed. Sorry you all got so upset by my thinking and putting it on here. Now realize that all you did was make me realize you all are nothing but a bunch of nonsense words about your god and you have no compassion. People are all different we think different, act different and thankfully we all do not go on about such things we cannot back up. I'm glad your prayers were answered but in all actuality you made things possible no one else. And talking to a dog that's just ludicrous and made no sense what so ever. I only started this thread as there are a handful of GOD threads, about time some fresh outlook is on here.
Obviously you haven't read all the God threads because the skeptics have not been shy about posting their side of debate. And the most heated debates are normally started by the queen of atheism herself! Your thread has served no purpose but to insult Christians. No one has debated you here because all you have done is insult people. I personally don't debate with people that are going to be disrespectful in their tactics to respond.
Then do not reply as I do not reply to all the god posts just the ones were bashing of atheism is in.
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Thats why you pull up your big girl panties and have thick skin...
Yeah so pull up your underwear already...you made the thread, not I.
Im fine im not the one who is all upset over meaningless babble coming from your end of the computer. You make no sense what so ever.
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Thats why you pull up your big girl panties and have thick skin...
Amy - That last comment made to Marie was uncalled for and childish. As I said earlier, you seem to enjoy goading than actually discussing the actual topics.
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Thats why you pull up your big girl panties and have thick skin...
Amy - That last comment made to Marie was uncalled for and childish. As I said earlier, you seem to enjoy goading than actually discussing the actual topics.
Nope im just not going to set here and read how people are mean to her. If she would stop shoving god down peoples throats maybe no one would treat her as if she was a lunatic. Im not trying to convert people into thinking another way, but people do have different ways of life!
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So if Christians weren't clinging to such a tenous belief system, there would be no reason for the animosity shown toward atheists.
THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET...LOOK AT HOW ATHEISTS TREAT ME...
Thats why you pull up your big girl panties and have thick skin...
Yeah so pull up your underwear already...you made the thread, not I.
Im fine im not the one who is all upset over meaningless babble coming from your end of the computer. You make no sense what so ever.
PROBABLY because you cannot even SPELL. ;D
O THAT HURTS LMAO way to be a CHRISTIAN!! :)
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Well, considering that Amy hasn't even bother to deny her motives in starting this thread...I think we can effectively call this topic "pointless"
I'm out! :wave:
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Well, considering that Amy hasn't even bother to deny her motives in starting this thread...I think we can effectively call this topic "pointless"
I'm out! :wave:
Nope I was very clear why I started this. Goodbye
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Quote from Amy Trivitt:
Then do not reply as I do not reply to all the god posts just the ones were bashing of atheism is in.
I have not bashed atheism in at all. I am defending my faith just as you are. Speak the truth here and listen: I am not bashing atheism, I am defending my rights and beliefs as a Christian. I am speaking nicely, have not called you names, and actually enjoy debating with you when you are staying on topic and not goading others.
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Quote from Amy Trivitt:
Then do not reply as I do not reply to all the god posts just the ones were bashing of atheism is in.
I have not bashed atheism in at all. I am defending my faith just as you are. Speak the truth here and listen: I am not bashing atheism, I am defending my rights and beliefs as a Christian. I am speaking nicely, have not called you names, and actually enjoy debating with you when you are staying on topic and not goading others.
I did not start this over you. And no I do not wish to bash anyones religion.
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Nope im just not going to set here and read how people are mean to her. If she would stop shoving god down peoples throats maybe no one would treat her as if she was a lunatic. Im not trying to convert people into thinking another way, but people do have different ways of life!
Yeah take that...how can I shove him down your throat...quit talking about God then!
If you can't take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.
It is SIT*
Keep it up I can go rounds if you make sense.
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marieelissa I have gave you chance after chance when people put you down I stood up for you. It pisses me off how you think you can belittle people on your words of atheism. You my dear do have problems and it hurts you that I voiced my opinion. Grow up and maybe I will not have to post such things on here.
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Amy, I was responding to the thread you started. I got involved in it and it went from there. You later wrote why you started the thread (because of Marie.) Since you did not indicate that when you started the thread, naturally people are going to respond in their way and get involved. I took this as a serious topic, as did others, and am not the least bit humored that it was started simply to goad someone else. You might notate next time you start one, that it is directed to so and so, and then I'll stay out of it. When I see an opportunity to defend my faith, I take it serious.
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As do I when people put down atheists.
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What do they have? A thousands-year-old book filled with stories of talking snakes, global floods, and dead people coming back to life that was written by superstitious sheep herders who didn't have the benefit of modern science with which to understand the world. They also have faith. Faith based on this ancient book, and nothing else. This is a very tenuous position to say the least.
I have VISIONS, I have God ANSWERING PRAYERS, I have myself asking QUESTIONS and GOD ANSWERING THEM... I have spirtual encounters...I have lots of supernatural things going on...sometimes it is bad...but mostly, beautiful.
Go ahead call me what you want, I have reasons to speak as if God is real...while others HOPE?
Well good for you but again what about the millions of children praying to get help with food, with parents?? What about all the "prayers" gone un answered? What makes you more important to god than others?
Are they children of God? I know since I was a toddler, I have know about him.
Are you saying G-d only cares about the children that believe?
It was a question...you have to study it to understand.
I have studied. I think you don't understand, honestly. G-d loves children; they are innocent. For you to claim you have a higher connection to g-d than these children that are suffering is offensive, honestly.
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I was also curious...does anyone have my experiences? Nope, guess not...so guess what...I am nuts, but guess what, the only way God will ever be real is if you are nuts....Good day.
I haven't had experiences like what you have had, but I've had my experiences that lead me to believe g-d exists. Call it a hunch or superstition, or a rationalization even. Someone once said to me that you'll see it when you believe it, that the other way around is :bs: and I tend to agree. From the first moment I stepped into my temple, I felt peace and at home. My best friend, on the other hand, is uncomfortable when she enters the temple (she's Pentecostal). Religion is a personal thing...
I'm not nuts; I have ptsd and mdd branched off from ppd, but that doesn't make me crazy. It makes me sad and a little jumpy. :thumbsup:
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LOL LOL LOL LOL
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to say thinking God is real makes you "nuts" is probably a reason Christians get defensive with you, no ones telling you that you're nuts because you don't believe in God so responding in that way comes off extremely rude
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The more I read posts on this thread the more I realize many of you could care less about debating the issue and would rather insult one another...one thing I've realized in debates, political ones in particular, is that when someone runs out of arguments they tend to resort to personal attacks. It really just makes the party look ignorant rather than that they know what they're talking about. Maybe before posting a hateful comment you should think about how others will percieve you and your intelligence afterwards, this is the internet so we don't know you...all we have to go by is what is said on here and in many of these posts people aren't making themselves out to be much more than petty and cruel.
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Related to the above, some will try to argue that christians hate atheists. To be honest, some christians might indeed hate atheists. This statement cannot, however be made in general. Some christians might hate atheists. Some might hate atheism but not atheists themselves.
Most christians do not hate atheists. It is true that many christians may get frustrated or angry at some atheists behavior, especially in forums for christians. It is all too common for atheists to come in and start making fun of or ranting, and that gets people upset. But this is not the same as hating atheists. Indeed, it is actually rather rude to make false general statements such as "christians hate atheists" just because some christians have acted improperly If you would like to have any constructive discourse on christian forums, it would be best if you avoided statements like this
This whole deal started after I left last night. I just got on and see 6 pages of nonsense. The 2 things that made sense? The above (obvious) 'copy and paste job' from marieelissa and walksalone's pic. :confused1:
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I do not know many atheists, but I do know one who changed his mind in a heart-beat. He was always talking the way you do and people just kind of gave up on him. We knew a situation would come along that would change his mind sooner or later. By the way, it happened sooner than later.
As a Commander in Iraq, I had my own helicopter at my disposal. Quite frequently, I used it to visit my soldiers in the heat of battle. Everytime I boarded the helicopter, I knew I had a pretty good chance of getting shot down. On one visit, I needed this Airborne trooper because of his expertise in small arms repairs. One of my units had three machineguns that were in-operable because of broken parts. I needed the soldier to fix the weapons and he had the parts to get the job done.
Three quarters of the way to the landing zone, we were hit by numerous small arms fire. Bullets were flying around in the cockpit and in the passenger area. All of a sudden, we were spinning rapidly downward towards the ground. I got my bearing for a few moments, saw the cockpit all smoked in, and knew we were getting ready to crash land. Everyone was screaming except the two pilots and myself. The pilots were focused on the landing and I was focused on God. I said all of my good-byes, and thanked the good Lord for a wonder life and family and waited for impact.
We did crash land. No one was injured too badly. The pilots had done their jobs and save our lives. Once off the bird, I asked all of them what was going through their minds. Each and everyone of them said, "GOD".
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I do not know many atheists, but I do know one who changed his mind in a heart-beat. He was always talking the way you do and people just kind of gave up on him. We knew a situation would come along that would change his mind sooner or later. By the way, it happened sooner than later.
As a Commander in Iraq, I had my own helicopter at my disposal. Quite frequently, I used it to visit my soldiers in the heat of battle. Everytime I boarded the helicopter, I knew I had a pretty good chance of getting shot down. On one visit, I needed this Airborne trooper because of his expertise in small arms repairs. One of my units had three machineguns that were in-operable because of broken parts. I needed the soldier to fix the weapons and he had the parts to get the job done.
Three quarters of the way to the landing zone, we were hit by numerous small arms fire. Bullets were flying around in the cockpit and in the passenger area. All of a sudden, we were spinning rapidly downward towards the ground. I got my bearing for a few moments, saw the cockpit all smoked in, and knew we were getting ready to crash land. Everyone was screaming except the two pilots and myself. The pilots were focused on the landing and I was focused on God. I said all of my good-byes, and thanked the good Lord for a wonder life and family and waited for impact.
We did crash land. No one was injured too badly. The pilots had done their jobs and save our lives. Once off the bird, I asked all of them what was going through their minds. Each and everyone of them said, "GOD".
Yup, I've heard it said more than once: "There's no athiests in the fox holes". This was a common saying during WWII.
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Great post! :thumbsup: The part about Christians disdaining science is especially true.
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Prove that I am in a cult.
Proof that you are in a cult
(originally posted by ME in: "Logical Arguments Against the Existence of God"):
Defining Factors of a Cult -- Does Christianity fit the bill?
1) People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations CHECK (Christianity tells you that you're sinful and will burn in hell if you don't devote your life to Jesus)
2) Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized CHECK (Original Sin ring a bell?)
3) They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group CHECK (Jesus, their pastor, their fellow Christians)
4) They get a new identity based on the group CHECK ("Born again", "saved", "new life in Jesus")
5) They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled CHECK (Christians reject real science and civil rights and stick to the Bible)
CULT SCORE: 5/5
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult)
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"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
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Prove that I am in a cult.
Proof that you are in a cult
(originally posted by ME in: "Logical Arguments Against the Existence of God"):
Defining Factors of a Cult -- Does Christianity fit the bill?
1) People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations CHECK (Christianity tells you that you're sinful and will burn in hell if you don't devote your life to Jesus)
2) Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized CHECK (Original Sin ring a bell?)
3) They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group CHECK (Jesus, their pastor, their fellow Christians)
4) They get a new identity based on the group CHECK ("Born again", "saved", "new life in Jesus")
5) They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled CHECK (Christians reject real science and civil rights and stick to the Bible)
CULT SCORE: 5/5
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult)
1. This is redundant, as this can apply to any of what life can throw at you. In fact most people who come to Christ are already in emotional, distressing situations. They find peace and power to overcome a lot of life's tests and gain new hope and determination through Christ.
2. Problems are never reduced to one explanation, but the understanding of how sin came about and is in the world, can help people comprehend why the world is like it is, and go another way. The information is presented, but it's up to the individual if they want it or not. We don't have to unlock the leg chains so they can walk out the door.
3. I guess unconditional love from their family and friends, makes the family unit and relationships cults too?
4. New Identity? Accepting Christ doesn't put you in the witness protection program, either is it the CIA that issues different identities. Okay, kidding aside. Becoming a new creature in Christ means turning away from a life of sin and destruction, and living a life of peace and harmony in the Lord. Behold old things are passed away (sin), behold, all things are new (no sin). However, since they are joining a group of people of like precious Faith, they are, by their own free will (not "pushed" into it) joining this group of people, in addition to others in their life. The same can be said of any group for that matter..AA, Jenny Craig, Boy Scouts, etc.
5. Don't know of anybody rejecting Science or civil rights in the Body of Christ. No one is held prisoner, or brain washed. Anyone can come and go as they please. No one keeps me from my friends that are non Christians. As far as information controlled. Why do most Christians have access to Internet, News media, Magazines, Newspapers, other books (other than the Bible), etc?
These 5 steps you so "falsely" pointed to Christians, can, in fact, be applied to any strong organization that has bylaws or a constitution. Even the Boys and Girls Scouts have that.
Anybody can "fit" anything they want into some "titles" thrown out there...i.e. "Cultish"
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"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
I'm not in the habit of posting :bs: I ALSO know Military personnel that have converted OVER in Iraq since they got there. In fact, they have been helio'd over to the Euphrates to be Baptized sometimes. I was over there.....go ahead, call it :bs:, and call me a liar! People claim to be a lot of things until they are actually faced with their own mortality suddenly.
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Prove that I am in a cult.
Proof that you are in a cult
(originally posted by ME in: "Logical Arguments Against the Existence of God"):
Defining Factors of a Cult -- Does Christianity fit the bill?
1) People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations CHECK (Christianity tells you that you're sinful and will burn in hell if you don't devote your life to Jesus)
2) Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized CHECK (Original Sin ring a bell?)
3) They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group CHECK (Jesus, their pastor, their fellow Christians)
4) They get a new identity based on the group CHECK ("Born again", "saved", "new life in Jesus")
5) They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled CHECK (Christians reject real science and civil rights and stick to the Bible)
CULT SCORE: 5/5
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult)
Very negative meaning:
Popular, media usage: A cult is considered a small, evil religious group, often with a single charismatic leader, that engages in brainwashing and other mind control techniques, believes that the end of the world is imminent, and collects large amounts of weaponry in preparation for a massive war. The earliest use of this meaning of the word is believed to have been in a 1965 book by Walter Martin "The Kingdom of the Cults"
Positive Meaning:
Theological usage: Oxford English Dictionary defined "cult" as:
"worship; reverential homage rendered to a divine being or beings"
"a particular form or system of religious worship; especially in reference to its external rites and ceremonies"
Devotion or homage to a particular person or thing."
This is the historical meaning of the word, but is rarely today heard outside of religious circles. A reference to the "Cult of Mary" appeared in a newspaper report on the Pope's 1999 visit to the Americas. It simply means that the Pope devotes special attention to the Virgin Mary (from Wikipedia)
[To the atheist who doesn't believe that a Creator exists, the God of creation responds, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
An atheist has all the confirmation they need to find that a God exists. Romans 1:16-32] - from "The Flaming Sword"
(from "The Theological Journal Library"; and Bob Deffinbaugh) " From the vantage point of evangelical Christianity, we can make a more specific definition: A cult is a perversion of the gospel, based upon an unholy devotion to a person, a principle, or both.
It is important for us to understand the difference between what is a “cult” and apostasy. A cult tends to be a rather small group, committed to a few very highly regarded principles, often led by a very “charismatic” (enthusiastic, dynamic, attractive) person. The cultist tends to view everyone outside the group as unbelievers. The cult is usually marked by a very strong, centralized authority. Apostasy is more easily defined in terms of what it is not. Apostasy denies authority, the authority of the Person of Christ and the Scriptures. Apostasy tends to shy away from anything firmly believed, other than the right to believe what you wish. While the cultist sees himself as one of the elect few, the apostate sees himself as one of the many, the majority. Both the cult and apostasy can lead a man to a Christless eternity. The former strongly believes the wrong thing; the latter believes in little or nothing. By this definition, the Unitarian movement would be an apostate religion; the Moonies are a cult."
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This shows that it appears you are "labeling us Christians" and putting us in the "negative meaning cult." The "positive meaning" better shows the truth from a different perspective.
Regarding "A fool hath said in his heart...." , please note I am not calling you a fool. Far from it. This comes from God's Word and what He feels.
The last part goes further into people's choices of how they see cults. I am not part of a cult that you listed in your post. That is negative for my worship of the Lord. I was not "physically" pushed into my decision and was not at all coerced because of told I would be going to Hell if I did not accept God. I was shown the factual reasons (verses: God's Word) about salvation and I chose it because I wanted to have God in my heart. I am not subject to entrapment - that is ridiculious. I also do not worship my pastor. He is simply guiding his members in the ways and spiritual growth of Jesus and introducing others to Jesus.
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Thanks, Annella, for what you also shared regarding all this. It gives a good look into the debate of this post. :thumbsup:
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Thanks, Annella, for what you also shared regarding all this. It gives a good look into the debate of this post. :thumbsup:
Are you kidding.....your post was superb!
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"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
And us atheists think this is one of the most ironic lines ever composed by man. ;)
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I do not know many atheists, but I do know one who changed his mind in a heart-beat. He was always talking the way you do and people just kind of gave up on him. We knew a situation would come along that would change his mind sooner or later. By the way, it happened sooner than later.
As a Commander in Iraq, I had my own helicopter at my disposal. Quite frequently, I used it to visit my soldiers in the heat of battle. Everytime I boarded the helicopter, I knew I had a pretty good chance of getting shot down. On one visit, I needed this Airborne trooper because of his expertise in small arms repairs. One of my units had three machineguns that were in-operable because of broken parts. I needed the soldier to fix the weapons and he had the parts to get the job done.
Three quarters of the way to the landing zone, we were hit by numerous small arms fire. Bullets were flying around in the cockpit and in the passenger area. All of a sudden, we were spinning rapidly downward towards the ground. I got my bearing for a few moments, saw the cockpit all smoked in, and knew we were getting ready to crash land. Everyone was screaming except the two pilots and myself. The pilots were focused on the landing and I was focused on God. I said all of my good-byes, and thanked the good Lord for a wonder life and family and waited for impact.
We did crash land. No one was injured too badly. The pilots had done their jobs and save our lives. Once off the bird, I asked all of them what was going through their minds. Each and everyone of them said, "GOD".
Thank you, Mickey, for your service. :heart:
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I do not know many atheists, but I do know one who changed his mind in a heart-beat. He was always talking the way you do and people just kind of gave up on him. We knew a situation would come along that would change his mind sooner or later. By the way, it happened sooner than later.
As a Commander in Iraq, I had my own helicopter at my disposal. Quite frequently, I used it to visit my soldiers in the heat of battle. Everytime I boarded the helicopter, I knew I had a pretty good chance of getting shot down. On one visit, I needed this Airborne trooper because of his expertise in small arms repairs. One of my units had three machineguns that were in-operable because of broken parts. I needed the soldier to fix the weapons and he had the parts to get the job done.
Three quarters of the way to the landing zone, we were hit by numerous small arms fire. Bullets were flying around in the cockpit and in the passenger area. All of a sudden, we were spinning rapidly downward towards the ground. I got my bearing for a few moments, saw the cockpit all smoked in, and knew we were getting ready to crash land. Everyone was screaming except the two pilots and myself. The pilots were focused on the landing and I was focused on God. I said all of my good-byes, and thanked the good Lord for a wonder life and family and waited for impact.
We did crash land. No one was injured too badly. The pilots had done their jobs and save our lives. Once off the bird, I asked all of them what was going through their minds. Each and everyone of them said, "GOD".
Thank you, Mickey, for your service. :heart:
I want to say thank you too Mickey! :wave:
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Mickey, I can't even imagine being in that situation! God bless you richly for your service to our country! I'm glad you made out safely and have such a tremendous story to tell! :notworthy:
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Prove that I am in a cult.
Proof that you are in a cult
(originally posted by ME in: "Logical Arguments Against the Existence of God"):
Defining Factors of a Cult -- Does Christianity fit the bill?
1) People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations CHECK (Christianity tells you that you're sinful and will burn in hell if you don't devote your life to Jesus)
2) Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized CHECK (Original Sin ring a bell?)
3) They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group CHECK (Jesus, their pastor, their fellow Christians)
4) They get a new identity based on the group CHECK ("Born again", "saved", "new life in Jesus")
5) They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives and the mainstream culture) and their access to information is severely controlled CHECK (Christians reject real science and civil rights and stick to the Bible)
CULT SCORE: 5/5
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult)
Christianity in NO way says if you don't devote your life to Jesus you will burn in hell for your sins--- it says that you should ask for forgiveness and MEAN it. A Christian God is a FORGIVING God, not a spiteful one.
I know zero Christians that believe every problem in their life has arisen from sin of themselves or others...When someone gets sick it's not because they sinned, when someone passes away it's not because they sinned, when someone loses their job it's not because they sinned...but I digress.
Once again, a Christian God is a FORGIVING God, not a spiteful one.
In regard to being saved, is making a positive change in your life a cultlike action?
And I highly doubt being taught to love EACH AND EVERY NEIGHBOR (including atheists) is evil or cultlike. We aren't just here to love each other, we're here to love you too.
Also, Christians don't reject real science. And I laugh out loud at this one. If "real science" without a doubt proved that we came from apes (it doesn't) there would be a significantly smaller number of Christians in the world today. Also, Christians don't reject civil rights.
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
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"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
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Christianity in NO way says if you don't devote your life to Jesus you will burn in hell for your sins
Of course it does!
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told
Something everyone needs to remember about the Internet is that TONE is hard to detect. I am never trying to be "hateful" in ANY of my responses. Heated or blunt, but never "hateful".
The reason why I responded to her how I did is because "no atheists in foxholes" is a harmful cliche. Most "atheists" that convert to Christianity weren't really atheists (they were simply non-religious without rock-solid reasons for being so).
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I totally "disagree" the quote "if you don't believe in Jesus, you will burn in hell!" Jesus/God are forgiving. He or whom ever you beleive in should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes. We grow and learn all our lives. Yes, mistakes can occur, but I firmly beleive, we, , do not have to punish or hate. Their mistakes will always live within them. Maybe.... there is something physically wrong with their brain and medical society can't fix it. Should we condem this person/s? Maybe if we show some kindness they will feel it and try to follow in a better path. :BangHead: if we all could be more tolerant of others and their beliefs... Children are born, they are parented and formed by the individuals who surround them, maybe being bullied all their lives, make them break down. We are not all superstars and if we look in our country watch the tragic ways some young children live or adults who suffer and can't understand why....we have to move along in the best manner, believe in yourself and they good will flow!
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I totally "disagree" the quote "if you don't believe in Jesus, you will burn in hell!"
You can disagree with it, but it won't change what the Bible says. ;)
Jesus/God are forgiving. He or whom ever you beleive in should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes.
Mushy, "free-for-all" believer! My favorite! (sarcasm)
Sorry if that sounds mean, but crafting your own god to suit your individual needs/wants doesn't make him any more real.
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quote from queenofnines:
Most "atheists" that convert to Christianity weren't really atheists (they were simply non-religious without rock-solid reasons for being so).
Where in the world did you get that from? Is this a statistic (found where?), or is this just your opinion? How do you know what they were thinking in their heart of hearts? ??? ;)
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
:cat: I appreciate what you have to say. At least several of us now are actually questioning/discussing/debating instead of goading and picking on one certain member (as back near the beginning of this thread.) That wasn't right and got way off the subject at hand.
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:cat: Mickey, thank you for what you have done/and do for our country and others. We are grateful. My older son has been to Iraq 3 times - We thank the Lord that each time he has come back safe to his family. He had things happen to him and saw things that we will never understand, but he is firm in his committment to his country and his comrades.
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"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."
And us atheists think this is one of the most ironic lines ever composed by man. ;)
This was written down by men, but voiced (composed) by God's wishes of what to write: God's Word, pure and simple.
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
:cat: I appreciate what you have to say. At least several of us now are actually questioning/discussing/debating instead of goading and picking on one certain member (as back near the beginning of this thread.) That wasn't right and got way off the subject at hand.
They pick on me cause they know with what I say, they can't convince me of no God being there. I am a lost cause to them BUT it really don't help their stance.
You hang in there, Marie. BTW, I like your little quote! Also, you just remember that you are NOT a lost cause to God!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
There has to be a bit more to it then simply people wanting to hate on other people. I rarely catch chit from the Christians or the Atheist/Agnostics.
I wonder why that might be?
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
But there lies the ignorance of your path,, most people like myself do not need you to say that im a sinner, I am lost. No I am not a Christian, No I do not belief in your god, BUT good for you im glad you are happy, sincerely I am to each there own. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. And in all due respect neither do you. To say that people who have no "god" in there life is lost. Yes that is being judgemental. And above all this stems hatred. I speak for myself only but I am not lost I know who I am, were I came from, right from wrong, love and the respect that all individuals need. That is not someone saying they are lost or in need of faith.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
So,the70% of the folks who were polled and was against the Islamic community center, were all non-Christians?
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
But there lies the ignorance of your path,, most people like myself do not need you to say that im a sinner, I am lost. No I am not a Christian, No I do not belief in your god, BUT good for you im glad you are happy, sincerely I am to each there own. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. And in all due respect neither do you. To say that people who have no "god" in there life is lost. Yes that is being judgemental. And above all this stems hatred. I speak for myself only but I am not lost I know who I am, were I came from, right from wrong, love and the respect that all individuals need. That is not someone saying they are lost or in need of faith.
No there's no ignorance in my path. I believe in the Bible, you do not, that's the difference here, pure and simple. I will not argue the Truth of the Word of God. It's a free choice to accept or reject it. You've made your own choices.
As far as any thing stemming from "hatred". That's your conception of what I wrote ??? Yes, I hate child molestation, murder of the innocents, rape, etc. Is that the hate your referring to? Your accusing me of being judgmental, when in essence that's what your exhibiting.
The question of whether your lost or not is actually according to your own choice if you are or not according to the scriptures. Since you don't believe the Bible, you think you are not......I'll move on. I never "push" anyone to Christianity.
I present the material, but I can't make you care. I can't make you do anything, who would want to? When I encounter this, I move on to someone who actually want's some answers about what the word of God says. That's not you, so :wave:
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
Excuse me ??? Okay, if your telling me not to "witness" of the saving power of Christ, that's not your call. I will talk of the Lord and His Salvation anytime he prompts me to. The thing I don't do is shove it down anyone's throat. If it's not accepted, I move on.
This will always be how I reach out. What I'd like to know is where is the mocking and hostility coming from?
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
Hey, thats awesome, ya know them smiles are worth quite a lot, try to hold onto it as long as ya can.
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
Hey, thats awesome, ya know them smiles are worth quite a lot, try to hold onto it as long as ya can.
Thank you!!
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Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
Where exactly did she open her mouth LOUDLY?
Annella was responding to a thread that asked the question, why do christians hate atheists. She responded directly to loulizlee, and you butted in to call her ignorant. You posted the thread, so you did ASK a question! Annella answered it. Get over yourself honey.
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
A smile came across my face..
Excuse me ???
no....nada....no way, uhh uh not gunna happen. If you cant come on down here where you can hear us speak in a reasonable tone, we just aint a gunna talk to ya.
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Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
Where exactly did she open her mouth LOUDLY?
Annella was responding to a thread that asked the question, why do christians hate atheists. She responded directly to loulizlee, and you butted in to call her ignorant. You posted the thread, so you did ASK a question! Annella answered it. Get over yourself honey.
Read all the thread before talking to me. Yes I did ask the question and in the end my point was very clear. So thank you for your input but as I said my point was made.
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Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
Where exactly did she open her mouth LOUDLY?
Annella was responding to a thread that asked the question, why do christians hate atheists. She responded directly to loulizlee, and you butted in to call her ignorant. You posted the thread, so you did ASK a question! Annella answered it. Get over yourself honey.
Now Amy, if you've been told once you've been told a hundred times......RAISE UR DANGED HAND FIRST!!!
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Thank you Sherna! and she did read the thread. Again, where did the hostility come from?
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I didn't realize since it was my post I was NOT allowed to speak my mind and call people on their words.. Maybe this rule should apply to other things in life. :)
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Thank you Sherna! and she did read the thread. Again, where did the hostility come from?
Im not hostile at all im actually a very calm person.
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I didn't realize since it was my post I was NOT allowed to speak my mind and call people on their words.. Maybe this rule should apply to other things in life. :)
You can call people on whatever you want but you said she opened her mouth loudly to somebody who didn't ask. Or am I mistaken and you were just telling her to remember that for future reference?
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
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Annella,
Thanks for the note and support. I am grateful for your son's service. No, I'm not going back. I retired 3 years ago, but I stay in touch with a lot of my soldiers who are still in and deployed.
In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
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I do not know many atheists, but I do know one who changed his mind in a heart-beat. He was always talking the way you do and people just kind of gave up on him. We knew a situation would come along that would change his mind sooner or later. By the way, it happened sooner than later.
As a Commander in Iraq, I had my own helicopter at my disposal. Quite frequently, I used it to visit my soldiers in the heat of battle. Everytime I boarded the helicopter, I knew I had a pretty good chance of getting shot down. On one visit, I needed this Airborne trooper because of his expertise in small arms repairs. One of my units had three machineguns that were in-operable because of broken parts. I needed the soldier to fix the weapons and he had the parts to get the job done.
Three quarters of the way to the landing zone, we were hit by numerous small arms fire. Bullets were flying around in the cockpit and in the passenger area. All of a sudden, we were spinning rapidly downward towards the ground. I got my bearing for a few moments, saw the cockpit all smoked in, and knew we were getting ready to crash land. Everyone was screaming except the two pilots and myself. The pilots were focused on the landing and I was focused on God. I said all of my good-byes, and thanked the good Lord for a wonder life and family and waited for impact.
We did crash land. No one was injured too badly. The pilots had done their jobs and save our lives. Once off the bird, I asked all of them what was going through their minds. Each and everyone of them said, "GOD".
This is probably a really random question, but I figure the worst that can happen is you'll say no, and I'd be in the same situation I'm currently in. :D
My father in law was a marine and I am trying to hunt down some info. I would like to find out what unit he was in, see if I can find anything on who he served with, and etc. as a surprise for him. His birthday is next week, and my husband and I want to surprise him...see if we can get some birthday cards and any pictures they may have. Like I said, long shot...but who better to ask that someone who has served (even if it isn't the same branch). Thanks! :thumbsup:
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
I am really disappointed to read how sarcastic and immature some people can get. This post was taken seriously by several in here, only to be told it was only aimed at someone else (so it could provoke and goad one person in particular.) Your "testimony" sure wouldn't win me over to your way if that's how you act.
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
So I forgot to put in the words "now in".........
Correction: It was basically over before it began......nothing like now in Iraq. I was working for DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for DoD, on Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska at the time, so I think I remember where Desert Storm was.
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
So I forgot to put in the words "now in".........
Correction: It was basically over before it began......nothing like now in Iraq. I was working for DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for DoD, on Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska at the time, so I think I remember where Desert Storm was.
COOL!....Let me present you with this trophy.....
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/walksalone11/2905740583.jpg)
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
So I forgot to put in the words "now in".........
Correction: It was basically over before it began......nothing like now in Iraq. I was working for DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for DoD, on Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska at the time, so I think I remember where Desert Storm was.
COOL!....Let me present you with this trophy.....
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/walksalone11/2905740583.jpg)
I can't read what it says. Probably something sarcastic.............
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
So I forgot to put in the words "now in".........
Correction: It was basically over before it began......nothing like now in Iraq. I was working for DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for DoD, on Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska at the time, so I think I remember where Desert Storm was.
COOL!....Let me present you with this trophy.....
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/walksalone11/2905740583.jpg)
I can't read what it says. Probably something sarcastic.............
And what, pray tell, would ever lead you to that assumption?
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I can't read what it says. Probably something sarcastic.............
"The Laughing Jackass Trophy" :o ;D
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I can't read what it says. Probably something sarcastic.............
"The Laughing Jackass Trophy" :o ;D
Oh....you want one too huh?......heh heh heh
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
I am really disappointed to read how sarcastic and immature some people can get. This post was taken seriously by several in here, only to be told it was only aimed at someone else (so it could provoke and goad one person in particular.) Your "testimony" sure wouldn't win me over to your way if that's how you act.
As it should have (been taken serious)!!! And I never once claimed to be trying to get people to not belief or as you put "win you over". I do not know were you my dear got that from. But I see your religion is about winning and losing, do you keep a tally sheet?
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
In Ms. Christian's defense, Amy, she has to speak loudly....you know....from way up there and all.
I am really disappointed to read how sarcastic and immature some people can get. This post was taken seriously by several in here, only to be told it was only aimed at someone else (so it could provoke and goad one person in particular.) Your "testimony" sure wouldn't win me over to your way if that's how you act.
As it should have (been taken serious)!!! And I never once claimed to be trying to get people to not belief or as you put "win you over". I do not know were you my dear got that from. But I see your religion is about winning and losing, do you keep a tally sheet?
Jcribb16, can you find me (FB)? "Google" my name......I'm easy to find. Send me a friend request and I'll respond.
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See my point came across not everyone needs your help. Thank you so much for seeing that. Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
It amazes me that you ALMOST said something sincere, yet still had to add something hateful. Someone said to you I am NOT judging you, I am NOT forcing my religion on you, I respect you right to accept or reject my God, yet you still felt the need to insult her. What is more, you DID ask for it by posting this thread on a forum open to all. Not only did you post this thread, but you posted it with a title that would draw in Christians. Not only did you post that title, but you did it PURPOSELY to stir up this argument. The sad this is that unlike others on this thread, you don't want to "debate and discuss" anything, you simply want to talk down to Christians and mock their belief system. Even when a Christian openly says to you that you have a right to be atheist and that she respects that-- you feel the need to degrade her. Unbelievable to me, just as my God is unbelievable to you.
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Now remember that when you open your mouth so loudly to those who do not ASK for it.
Where exactly did she open her mouth LOUDLY?
Annella was responding to a thread that asked the question, why do christians hate atheists. She responded directly to loulizlee, and you butted in to call her ignorant. You posted the thread, so you did ASK a question! Annella answered it. Get over yourself honey.
Read all the thread before talking to me. Yes I did ask the question and in the end my point was very clear. So thank you for your input but as I said my point was made.
I'd like to know in your words what point you were trying to get across on this thread.
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I totally "disagree" the quote "if you don't believe in Jesus, you will burn in hell!"
You can disagree with it, but it won't change what the Bible says. ;)
Jesus/God are forgiving. He or whom ever you beleive in should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes.
Mushy, "free-for-all" believer! My favorite! (sarcasm)
Sorry if that sounds mean, but crafting your own god to suit your individual needs/wants doesn't make him any more real.
In no way is that crafting a God. The essence of a Christian God is that he recognizes that we sin, since the say the forbidden apple was eaten. He gave his sons life for our sins, recognizing that AS HUMANS we will sin. I don't understand how you, an atheist, can preach to a Christian about their own God?
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
There has to be a bit more to it then simply people wanting to hate on other people. I rarely catch chit from the Christians or the Atheist/Agnostics.
I wonder why that might be?
chit?
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Christianity in NO way says if you don't devote your life to Jesus you will burn in hell for your sins
Of course it does!
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told
Something everyone needs to remember about the Internet is that TONE is hard to detect. I am never trying to be "hateful" in ANY of my responses. Heated or blunt, but never "hateful".
The reason why I responded to her how I did is because "no atheists in foxholes" is a harmful cliche. Most "atheists" that convert to Christianity weren't really atheists (they were simply non-religious without rock-solid reasons for being so).
As much as I'd love for an atheist to tell me what my God says, I'd rather turn to the Bible. A Christian God is a forgiving God. We can sin, we can make mistakes, we can stray from the path, as long in the end we recognize our mistakes and repent, ask forgiveness, and MEAN it. This is no way means if you sin boom you go to hell just like that.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
So,the70% of the folks who were polled and was against the Islamic community center, were all non-Christians?
How is that relevant? Does being against an Islamic community center in any way prove hate?
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
There has to be a bit more to it then simply people wanting to hate on other people. I rarely catch chit from the Christians or the Atheist/Agnostics.
I wonder why that might be?
chit?
*bleep*, Mack
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In reregards to "SurveyMack10's" quote: Spot on correct. Never intended to prove God, just that everyone said they thought of Him as we were going down. :)
"There's no athiests in the fox holes".
This is B.S. I know MANY atheists in the military, including ones who've been to Iraq.
As for Mickey's plane, this does not prove god whatsoever. Plenty of planes have crashed with survivors.
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told...notice the quotation marks. It doesn't mean she herself was claiming there is literally no atheist in the military, that would be ludicrous. It just means she found a time to goodheartedly enter something she'd heard in the conversation and didn't deserve a rude response.
Also, Mickey never claimed that it PROVED God. He was telling a story about knowing an atheist who faced a near-death situation, survived, and came out of it a changed man who believed in God. Get it?
Mickey001 things can get heated around here....lol Actually, the saying (about the foxholes) came from around the Korean war, of which my uncle and dad were soldiers in it (Army). I've heard a few older vets make reference to it.
Are you going back to Iraq? My son was in the Air Force during "Desert Storm". He had just gone through boot, when he got orders to go. It was basically over before it began......nothing like Iraq.
PSSST!!! ***whispers*** Desert Storm was in Iraq
So I forgot to put in the words "now in".........
Correction: It was basically over before it began......nothing like now in Iraq. I was working for DIS (Defense Investigative Service) for DoD, on Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska at the time, so I think I remember where Desert Storm was.
COOL!....Let me present you with this trophy.....
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g228/walksalone11/2905740583.jpg)
Wow, way to show your true colors. Easy to tell when someones out of factual comebacks, because they resort to personal attack. Thattaway.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
So,the70% of the folks who were polled and was against the Islamic community center, were all non-Christians?
How is that relevant? Does being against an Islamic community center in any way prove hate?
No, it means all these warm and fuzzy words such as "we hate the sin but love the sinner" is BS.
Thats bull *bleep* by the way.
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Sorry if I've repeated some of the arguments already made but I get ahead of myself and respond before I have time to go back and read the 50 posts already made in response haha...
It would be nice to be able to have an actual debate without people feeling the need to insult one another or their beliefs, but it didn't take much to realize that most (definitely not all) but most people on this thread had that one intention. Watching people put others down via the internet makes me thankful for my God and his forgiveness.
There has to be a bit more to it then simply people wanting to hate on other people. I rarely catch chit from the Christians or the Atheist/Agnostics.
I wonder why that might be?
chit?
*bleep*, Mack
guess i dont understand your question
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Thank you SurveyMack10.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
So,the70% of the folks who were polled and was against the Islamic community center, were all non-Christians?
How is that relevant? Does being against an Islamic community center in any way prove hate?
No, it means all these warm and fuzzy words such as "we hate the sin but love the sinner" is BS.
Thats bull *bleep* by the way.
Oh, thanks for explaining what BS meant, because obviously being a Christian and all I'm not intelligent enough to know.
And no that's not what it means. If youre referring to the mosque that is trying to be built next to the 9/11 site it means that first and foremost they are trying to show respect for the victims of the tragedy, secondly it means that there should be more research on where the funding is coming from, thirdly it means that the man who proposed the idea should be investigated further first considering his wife has said in the news that Americans hate muslims(maybe in a different set of words before you correct me, because being a Christian obviously im not intelligent), and that the man who proposed it himself (Imam Rauf) has made some questionable remarks himself.
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I have so much better stuff to do then sit here and fight with all these atheists.... :peace:
Sure you do.
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I love that once a valid point has been made you have no response, but when there's a chance to try and bring someone down you're all over it.
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This Christian does not hate Atheists either. Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike. True Christianity is love and God is Love.
Christians hate the sin, but love the sinner.....just as God does. That doesn't mean we upbraid them for their sin, but try to show a better way to live. If we saw our worst enemy in the torment of hell, none of of would have any hate at all for anyone. No Christian wants to see anyone lost. If they do, they need to revaluate why they are Christian, for God is love.
So,the70% of the folks who were polled and was against the Islamic community center, were all non-Christians?
How is that relevant? Does being against an Islamic community center in any way prove hate?
No, it means all these warm and fuzzy words such as "we hate the sin but love the sinner" is BS.
Thats bull *bleep* by the way.
Oh, thanks for explaining what BS meant, because obviously being a Christian and all I'm not intelligent enough to know.
And no that's not what it means. If youre referring to the mosque that is trying to be built next to the 9/11 site it means that first and foremost they are trying to show respect for the victims of the tragedy, secondly it means that there should be more research on where the funding is coming from, thirdly it means that the man who proposed the idea should be investigated further first considering his wife has said in the news that Americans hate muslims(maybe in a different set of words before you correct me, because being a Christian obviously im not intelligent), and that the man who proposed it himself (Imam Rauf) has made some questionable remarks himself.
Oh please don't mis understand me Mack, I am very much aware that in being familiar with your chosen belief system, you are very familiar with BS.
BTW, Mack, would you be up for the removal f all Christian structures in North America, as a show of respect for the Indigenous victims of a tragedy brought about by a certain religious doctrine?
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I love that once a valid point has been made you have no response, but when there's a chance to try and bring someone down you're all over it.
So far, the only valid point you have made is that you are hoping for the chance to hump on Ms. Christians leg.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
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I love that once a valid point has been made you have no response, but when there's a chance to try and bring someone down you're all over it.
So far, the only valid point you have made is that you are hoping for the chance to hump on Ms. Christians leg.
You broadcast your uncertainty so well. Easy to tell you're worried about how you will come out in this argument by your personal attacks on me. Guess what, you don't know me and attempting to hurt my feelings are a waste of your time and space on this thread. If you can't stick to the issues you obviously don't have as much to bring to the table as you'd like to make us believe.
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Oh please don't mis understand me Mack, I am very much aware that in being familiar with your chosen belief system, you are very familiar with BS.
BTW, Mack, would you be up for the removal f all Christian structures in North America, as a show of respect for the Indigenous victims of a tragedy brought about by a certain religious doctrine?
Here we go.... ::)
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Well, I'll take that to mean you have no further useful input in this discussion?
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Oh please don't mis understand me Mack, I am very much aware that in being familiar with your chosen belief system, you are very familiar with BS.
BTW, Mack, would you be up for the removal f all Christian structures in North America, as a show of respect for the Indigenous victims of a tragedy brought about by a certain religious doctrine?
Here we go.... ::)
Haha no worries, I'm up for a political argument... :0)
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Well, I'll take that to mean you have no further useful input in this discussion?
other then the fact that the US hates everyone that isnt "White Christian Capitalist" ya mean?
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I wonder if slaves being brought from Africa was done in religion as well.
No, but they did find a way to justify doing it through Christian doctrine.
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I love that once a valid point has been made you have no response, but when there's a chance to try and bring someone down you're all over it.
So far, the only valid point you have made is that you are hoping for the chance to hump on Ms. Christians leg.
What is wrong with you? Really, no sarcasm here, why would you make such an insulting post?
Your a sad man :angry7:
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Well, I'll take that to mean you have no further useful input in this discussion?
other then the fact that the US hates everyone that isnt "White Christian Capitalist" ya mean?
I laughed OUT LOUD at this. It's amazing how many opportunities out there are ONLY for people who ARENT white Christians. However, if one was for JUST white Christians it would be considered prejudice.
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Imagine this
how many scholarship funds are out there for
--Hispanics only
--African-Americans only
etc....
This is GREAT! I'm all for it... I just think the next situation I'll present is sad.
Imagine if someone made a scholarship fund for
--Caucasians only
GOODNESS THATS RACIST...because obviously "White capitalist Christians" don't need financial assistance, and since their ancestors did wrong towards other races they don't deserve it.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
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Yeah ever seen (BET) Black Entertainment Television but there is no (WET) White Entertainment Television because they would be Wrong...
prime example.
If a TV station was named for being geared toward caucasians it would be percieved as prejudice...
I have NO problem with BET or with opportunities being given to different races, just find it sad that the same cannot be done for white people without being considered racist.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Well, I'll take that to mean you have no further useful input in this discussion?
other then the fact that the US hates everyone that isnt "White Christian Capitalist" ya mean?
I am white and Christian and guess what...I am hated...because I have a mental illlness...don't forget to include them.
Marie honey, can you let these 2 debate. I'm going to stop posting myself, as to give them room. Of course if you or I have something to contribute to the subject, then by all means, let's "post" away. It's going to be interesting, and I think we are going to learn something here okay? :heart:
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.
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I'm highly interested to see where this goes......
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I'm highly interested to see where this goes......
There ya are sweetie!
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.
I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.
We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?
What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.
We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.
I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.
Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.
If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
I'll bring the popcorn.....
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
Bwhahahahahahaha Classic! :thumbsup:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_10
Thanks Marie for your cooperation sweetie! :heart:
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I'm highly interested to see where this goes......
There ya are sweetie!
I've mostly been observing today! ;)
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I'm highly interested to see where this goes......
There ya are sweetie!
I've mostly been observing today! ;)
Yeah, I was wondering cause you weren't posting. Observing is good. I'm going to be doing some of that myself. Kinda feel that's what's right sometimes. I'll pass the "Mantle" to you tomorrow huh? :thumbsup:
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Christianity in NO way says if you don't devote your life to Jesus you will burn in hell for your sins
Of course it does!
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told
Something everyone needs to remember about the Internet is that TONE is hard to detect. I am never trying to be "hateful" in ANY of my responses. Heated or blunt, but never "hateful".
The reason why I responded to her how I did is because "no atheists in foxholes" is a harmful cliche. Most "atheists" that convert to Christianity weren't really atheists (they were simply non-religious without rock-solid reasons for being so).
As much as I'd love for an atheist to tell me what my God says, I'd rather turn to the Bible. A Christian God is a forgiving God. We can sin, we can make mistakes, we can stray from the path, as long in the end we recognize our mistakes and repent, ask forgiveness, and MEAN it. This is no way means if you sin boom you go to hell just like that.
I did not read where ANYONE except the christians tell you what YOUR GOD said. I would love for you to point that out. And this is not hateful this is called a debate, and yes my point was and still is being proved. You just proved it again!! This is superb :)
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And wow if the proof isn't in the pudding,, again you have proved my point with the page above :)
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:)I did rely to your question. I am not sure wy they didn't post it back to you. MY basic belief no one should hte anyone. You can be angry over an issue, simply noy care for the person. Religion is personal and i believe God exists. If truly thought out, I beleive many others would realize what I am referring in my thought process.
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In no way is that crafting a God. The essence of a Christian God is that he recognizes that we sin, since the say the forbidden apple was eaten. He gave his sons life for our sins, recognizing that AS HUMANS we will sin. I don't understand how you, an atheist, can preach to a Christian about their own God?
Uh...you obviously didn't read what I quoted from that person very closley:
"Jesus/God are forgiving" ==> Incorrect use of the word "are" because Jesus and god are one-in-the-same. This shows that this person doesn't really know much about Christianity.
"He or whom ever you beleive in" ==> Demonstrates that this person thinks that as long as a person believes in SOME god, they're good.
"should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes" ==> Earlier this person claimed they don't think disbelief is a guaranteed hell sentence, even though it's the "one unforgivable sin".
So correction to you: that person is NOT a Christian. They are a mushy, "I believe there's a higher power but I don't have to do much to prove it" kind of person. They may have some details of Christianity tangled in there because that is the main form of brainwashing in this country.
And I 100% have the credentials for being able to talk about this religion - I lived it.
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In no way is that crafting a God. The essence of a Christian God is that he recognizes that we sin, since the say the forbidden apple was eaten. He gave his sons life for our sins, recognizing that AS HUMANS we will sin. I don't understand how you, an atheist, can preach to a Christian about their own God?
Uh...you obviously didn't read what I quoted from that person very closley:
"Jesus/God are forgiving" ==> Incorrect use of the word "are" because Jesus and god are one-in-the-same. This shows that this person doesn't really know much about Christianity.
"He or whom ever you beleive in" ==> Demonstrates that this person thinks that as long as a person believes in SOME god, they're good.
"should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes" ==> Earlier this person claimed they don't think disbelief is a guaranteed hell sentence, even though it's the "one unforgivable sin".
So correction to you: that person is NOT a Christian. They are a mushy, "I believe there's a higher power but I don't have to do much to prove it" kind of person. They may have some details of Christianity tangled in there because that is the main form of brainwashing in this country.
And I 100% have the credentials for being able to talk about this religion - I lived it.
Really? Because you 100% don't know what your talking about the "one unforgivable sin" You may have "lived it", but something didn't take. Hey, you want to find out just how much Bible you know, and if those credentials are real or not? I posted a long thread about the unpardonable sin, and I'm sure you read it.
You accuse me of judging. What are you doing here? Since when do you have any "credentials" to make the call if someone is a Christian or not? You don't even believe in the Bible or God!!
There has been exhaustive debates about your atheist ideas, etc. Now lets have one on the Bible. Since you have 100% credentials, and "lived it", lets just see. I'll let you go first........
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Christianity in NO way says if you don't devote your life to Jesus you will burn in hell for your sins
Of course it does!
There was no need for your hateful response. She was simply throwing in a quote from WWII because it fit in the the story being told
Something everyone needs to remember about the Internet is that TONE is hard to detect. I am never trying to be "hateful" in ANY of my responses. Heated or blunt, but never "hateful".
The reason why I responded to her how I did is because "no atheists in foxholes" is a harmful cliche. Most "atheists" that convert to Christianity weren't really atheists (they were simply non-religious without rock-solid reasons for being so).
As much as I'd love for an atheist to tell me what my God says, I'd rather turn to the Bible. A Christian God is a forgiving God. We can sin, we can make mistakes, we can stray from the path, as long in the end we recognize our mistakes and repent, ask forgiveness, and MEAN it. This is no way means if you sin boom you go to hell just like that.
I did not read where ANYONE except the christians tell you what YOUR GOD said. I would love for you to point that out. And this is not hateful this is called a debate, and yes my point was and still is being proved. You just proved it again!! This is superb :)
I was referring to the comment made by an atheist saying that a Christian God sends you off to hell for sinning and not having every breathing second of your life a reflection of Him, when in actuality a Christian God is a forgiving God.
And i quoted where people were being hateful and using personal attacks instead of reasoning about the issues at hand.
And I'll ask you again, what is your point? You never answered my question. What point exactly were you trying to prove when you posted this thread?
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There you are Mackenzie!
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In no way is that crafting a God. The essence of a Christian God is that he recognizes that we sin, since the say the forbidden apple was eaten. He gave his sons life for our sins, recognizing that AS HUMANS we will sin. I don't understand how you, an atheist, can preach to a Christian about their own God?
Uh...you obviously didn't read what I quoted from that person very closley:
"Jesus/God are forgiving" ==> Incorrect use of the word "are" because Jesus and god are one-in-the-same. This shows that this person doesn't really know much about Christianity.
"He or whom ever you beleive in" ==> Demonstrates that this person thinks that as long as a person believes in SOME god, they're good.
"should recognize we are humans and we make mistakes" ==> Earlier this person claimed they don't think disbelief is a guaranteed hell sentence, even though it's the "one unforgivable sin".
So correction to you: that person is NOT a Christian. They are a mushy, "I believe there's a higher power but I don't have to do much to prove it" kind of person. They may have some details of Christianity tangled in there because that is the main form of brainwashing in this country.
And I 100% have the credentials for being able to talk about this religion - I lived it.
God forbid someone makes a grammatical error. Of course making a grammatical error means they don't understand their religion. And within Christianity there are different forms of belief, some people choose to refer to Jesus as son of God therefore are would be appropriate, others refer to Jesus and God being one and is would be appropriate.
And I don't need YOU to correct ME, especially since you are sitting here explaining to me what someone ELSE posted instead of responding to what I posted. I responded directly to you in your post about a cult and you respond with telling me why someone else isn't a good enough Christian for you, forgive me if I miss the relevance.
And living this religion doesn't give you the authority to preach to a Christian about what their God is, especially if you don't believe in him.
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Also, disbelief is not an unforgivable sin. Anyone can change their mind, come to God, and repent. There is NO unforgivable sin from a Christian God.
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Well I do apologize then as I did not know that was for someone else. My thread started over a thread marie started about atheists. I did not know everyone in here would fight over this as much as they have, I should have used dislike instead of hate. But yes my point was made there is so much dislike towards those who think for themselves and not following a religion. Hope that answers your question.
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Well I do apologize then as I did not know that was for someone else. My thread started over a thread marie started about atheists. I did not know everyone in here would fight over this as much as they have, I should have used dislike instead of hate. But yes my point was made there is so much dislike towards those who think for themselves and not following a religion. Hope that answers your question.
We don't mind or I don't mind you not following a religion, what I do mind...is all the hatred you speak towards God and my/our religion.
Okay for you then take that pill of words you just typed and swallow it, because this is what happens when you talk down on aitheists, pagan's and any other form of believes or non believes at hand. Please!
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I was referring to the comment made by an atheist saying that a Christian God sends you off to hell for sinning and not having every breathing second of your life a reflection of Him, when in actuality a Christian God is a forgiving God.
Well if you are referring to me, I didn't say that. Geez, a lot of people on here like to put words in my mouth!
God forbid someone makes a grammatical error. Of course making a grammatical error means they don't understand their religion.
It wasn't a grammatical error, proven by their follow-up. Quit making excuses; that person probably won't come back in here, anyway.
And living this religion doesn't give you the authority to preach to a Christian about what their God is, especially if you don't believe in him.
If I used to be one of you and therefore know all of your tricks, it most certainly does.
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Well I do apologize then as I did not know that was for someone else. My thread started over a thread marie started about atheists. I did not know everyone in here would fight over this as much as they have, I should have used dislike instead of hate. But yes my point was made there is so much dislike towards those who think for themselves and not following a religion. Hope that answers your question.
How in any way was that point proven?
The point proven on this thread was more the opposites, that you all have a lot of built up animosity towards the Christian way, even if we aren't trying to shove it down your throat.
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And wow if the proof isn't in the pudding,, again you have proved my point with the page above :)
I did not read where ANYONE except the christians tell you what YOUR GOD said. I would love for you to point that out. And this is not hateful this is called a debate, and yes my point was and still is being proved. You just proved it again!! This is superb
What's superb? That you posted the above posts one right after the other in around 4:45 in the morning. Like you wanted to slip in and have the last word, and look clever. The heat of the debate had already passed, and the last post you had was way back. However, she did ask you a question (SurveyMack).
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I was referring to the comment made by an atheist saying that a Christian God sends you off to hell for sinning and not having every breathing second of your life a reflection of Him, when in actuality a Christian God is a forgiving God.
Well if you are referring to me, I didn't say that. Geez, a lot of people on here like to put words in my mouth!
God forbid someone makes a grammatical error. Of course making a grammatical error means they don't understand their religion.
It wasn't a grammatical error, proven by their follow-up. Quit making excuses; that person probably won't come back in here, anyway.
And living this religion doesn't give you the authority to preach to a Christian about what their God is, especially if you don't believe in him.
If I used to be one of you and therefore know all of your tricks, it most certainly does.
--no one is putting words in your mouth. you said that not devoting your entire life to God will result in being doomed to Hell, did you not?
No need for the attitude, it's fine if you're going to be rude but not to me. And I'm not making excuses I don't even know which response you're talking about. Just think it's hilarious how you all nitpick any grammatical error made on here because apparently Christians aren't allowed to make a mistake.
What kind of tricks am I using? I'm not even trying to convert you to Christianity haha
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Did she ask me a question? Or did I ask her? Sorry I misunderstood that haha, but I don't wanna miss any questions asked to me because I surely do have an answer.
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And wow if the proof isn't in the pudding,, again you have proved my point with the page above :)
I did not read where ANYONE except the christians tell you what YOUR GOD said. I would love for you to point that out. And this is not hateful this is called a debate, and yes my point was and still is being proved. You just proved it again!! This is superb
What's superb? That you posted the above posts one right after the other in around 4:45 in the morning. Like you wanted to slip in and have the last word, and look clever. The heat of the debate had already passed, and the last post you had was way back. However, she did ask you a question (SurveyMack).
Its all blindsided.
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Wow... I'm a christian, and I don't hate athiests... I dont hate anyone. Everyone has the right to believe in or not believe in whatever they want. I don't judge people either. But why even post about Christians hating Athiests? one, or a group of christians hating an athiest doesn't mean that they all do. I definitely don't agree with you, but I'm not gonna go post, "Why do athiests hate Christians?" I don't see the point in posting that
--to stir up an argument.
to me it's common sense that Christians don't hate atheists. And if there are some that do they need to reevaulate their relationship with God because hating another group for their beliefs isn't part of it. Anyway, it was just to be petty and get at another girl we found out later.
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I was referring to the comment made by an atheist saying that a Christian God sends you off to hell for sinning and not having every breathing second of your life a reflection of Him, when in actuality a Christian God is a forgiving God.
Well if you are referring to me, I didn't say that. Geez, a lot of people on here like to put words in my mouth!
God forbid someone makes a grammatical error. Of course making a grammatical error means they don't understand their religion.
It wasn't a grammatical error, proven by their follow-up. Quit making excuses; that person probably won't come back in here, anyway.
And living this religion doesn't give you the authority to preach to a Christian about what their God is, especially if you don't believe in him.
If I used to be one of you and therefore know all of your tricks, it most certainly does.
What tricks? I asked you for a debate on the Word of God, since you misinterpreted it, and you bragged about having 100% credentials how to spot a "mushy" Christian.
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And wow if the proof isn't in the pudding,, again you have proved my point with the page above :)
I did not read where ANYONE except the christians tell you what YOUR GOD said. I would love for you to point that out. And this is not hateful this is called a debate, and yes my point was and still is being proved. You just proved it again!! This is superb
What's superb? That you posted the above posts one right after the other in around 4:45 in the morning. Like you wanted to slip in and have the last word, and look clever. The heat of the debate had already passed, and the last post you had was way back. However, she did ask you a question (SurveyMack).
Its all blindsided.
meaning?
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Well I do apologize then as I did not know that was for someone else. My thread started over a thread marie started about atheists. I did not know everyone in here would fight over this as much as they have, I should have used dislike instead of hate. But yes my point was made there is so much dislike towards those who think for themselves and not following a religion. Hope that answers your question.
We don't mind or I don't mind you not following a religion, what I do mind...is all the hatred you speak towards God and my/our religion.
Okay for you then take that pill of words you just typed and swallow it, because this is what happens when you talk down on aitheists, pagan's and any other form of believes or non believes at hand. Please!
Don't you dare blame her for this!! You started the thread!!
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What's funny to me is that many of you act like because we're Christians we think we are better than you.
That's not the case.
When I say I'm a Christian I'm admitting I am weak, I'm not talking out of pride or conceit...I am a sinner and I stray from the path but I have Christ to guide me...I'm not saying I'm a Christian to prove I'm a stronger person than you, my God is a strong God and is there to give me strength.
I am one of the most strong-minded people I know, I don't get my feelings hurt, I am determined...but even I am weak and need Jesus.
How in any way does me being a Christian mean I am trying to say I'm better than you. That's what you WANT to hear, because then you would have something to throw in my face.
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What's funny to me is that many of you act like because we're Christians we think we are better than you.
That's not the case.
When I say I'm a Christian I'm admitting I am weak, I'm not talking out of pride or conceit...I am a sinner and I stray from the path but I have Christ to guide me...I'm not saying I'm a Christian to prove I'm a stronger person than you, my God is a strong God and is there to give me strength.
I am one of the most strong-minded people I know, I don't get my feelings hurt, I am determined...but even I am weak and need Jesus.
How in any way does me being a Christian mean I am trying to say I'm better than you. That's what you WANT to hear, because then you would have something to throw in my face.
Great point!
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What's funny to me is that many of you act like because we're Christians we think we are better than you.
That's not the case.
When I say I'm a Christian I'm admitting I am weak, I'm not talking out of pride or conceit...I am a sinner and I stray from the path but I have Christ to guide me...I'm not saying I'm a Christian to prove I'm a stronger person than you, my God is a strong God and is there to give me strength.
I am one of the most strong-minded people I know, I don't get my feelings hurt, I am determined...but even I am weak and need Jesus.
How in any way does me being a Christian mean I am trying to say I'm better than you. That's what you WANT to hear, because then you would have something to throw in my face.
I like you Mack! ;)
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What's funny to me is that many of you act like because we're Christians we think we are better than you.
That's not the case.
When I say I'm a Christian I'm admitting I am weak, I'm not talking out of pride or conceit...I am a sinner and I stray from the path but I have Christ to guide me...I'm not saying I'm a Christian to prove I'm a stronger person than you, my God is a strong God and is there to give me strength.
I am one of the most strong-minded people I know, I don't get my feelings hurt, I am determined...but even I am weak and need Jesus.
How in any way does me being a Christian mean I am trying to say I'm better than you. That's what you WANT to hear, because then you would have something to throw in my face.
I like you Mack! ;)
Thanks haha, I guess to me some things just seem like common sense.
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Me Too!!!!
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Looks like Mack cleared the room!!! :heart:
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Hahahahaha
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We aren't better than you...we are all equal...the only thing we seem to get, is the kinds of tricks, the devil pulls.
Ahhh, and was it the devil working in YOU on a full-blown level that made you delete an entire thread again?
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You disrespect me, when you disrespect my beliefs and religion, therefore, you deserve no respect and I will disrespect you....and I will not tolerate you...
What belief and religion is this exactly...since you said you weren't Christian and Christians are taught to love their enemies (love doesn't entail conditional respect)....so what pray tell is your religion marie? Just so people know what religion they are to refrain from disrespecting in regards to you.
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You disrespect me, when you disrespect my beliefs and religion, therefore, you deserve no respect and I will disrespect you....and I will not tolerate you...
What belief and religion is this exactly...since you said you weren't Christian and Christians are taught to love their enemies (love doesn't entail conditional respect)....so what pray tell is your religion marie? Just so people know what religion they are to refrain from disrespecting in regards to you.
That's a viable question....
So your Mormon? I mean, you didn't really clarify that.
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A week ago marieelissa was a Baptist and now she is a Mormon. Come on, Sherene, keep up will ya, geez.
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So you're saying you are mormon?
LOL @ jordandog!
Well whatever she replies with I will make sure and quote so I can keep it to remind her of later when she forgets what she is.
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I am a new prophet with a new religion....
Well, in order for people not to disrespect your religion you are going to have to clarify what it is.
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Oh dear what is that??
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:wave:What kind of new prophet are you and what is your new religion?
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hmmm..I am lost..someone help..I really have so many things to learn already
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I am a new prophet with a new religion....
Well, in order for people not to disrespect your religion you are going to have to clarify what it is.
I never gave it a name...but for some reason God's children keeps persisting.
Don't expect other people to respect your beliefs when you are clearly mocking yourself and truly have no clue what you believe.
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thank you sherna thank you much respect for those who stand for a actual belief I commend you :peace:
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I agree hell is separation from God, but it is also a place of torment.
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I like your online name it's nice Butterfly.............
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hmmm...why can't I start my own religion?
You can, and when confused people start their own religion and threaten followers with hell and "deletion" for talking bad about their leader....it's called a cult, which eventually ends in a bunch of people killing themselves. Good Luck.
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I like your online name it's nice Butterfly.............
Thank you I am obsessed with Butterflies :wave:
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hmmm...why can't I start my own religion?
You can, and when confused people start their own religion and threaten followers with hell and "deletion" for talking bad about their leader....it's called a cult, which eventually ends in a bunch of people killing themselves. Good Luck.
OMG I love you well said thank you thank you YOU ROCK!!
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Re: Favorite Bible Quotes
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I am baptist.
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Just in case anyone thought I was being insincere or fabricating it when I mentioned Baptist as her religion. I know I have to back up what I say.
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hmmm...why can't I start my own religion?
You can, and when confused people start their own religion and threaten followers with hell and "deletion" for talking bad about their leader....it's called a cult, which eventually ends in a bunch of people killing themselves. Good Luck.
You mean God? Cause you threaten people with hell with God...God is my leader.
I have never threatened people with hell.
What god is your leader?
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this is another roller coaster of madness..this too shall pass..
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
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The God of the bible does
No He doesn't. We have been over this before. Exactly what scripture in the bible says God will send you to hell if you talk bad about Him? There isn't one.
Once again, you can't tell people to respect your religion when you don't have one. That was my point and I think I made it, so I am done with this dead end conversation.
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The God of the bible does
No He doesn't. We have been over this before. Exactly what scripture in the bible says God will send you to hell if you talk bad about Him? There isn't one.
Once again, you can't tell people to respect your religion when you don't have one. That was my point and I think I made it, so I am done with this dead end conversation.
It's confusion Sherna..............
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I know, but part of being a reasonable person is accepting, that when you can't answer the question, maybe you should reevaluate your position. I'm just frustrated is all. :angry7:
Instead of admitting that she doesn't have a religion, instead of admitting that she is unsure of what she believes she started nonsense about being a prophet of new religion! She is demanding respect from people for beliefs that she can't clarify to them or herself for that matter.
But, I put her on ignore...at least temporarily because I'm only going to start saying things I regret if I keep reading her posts.
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I know you are certainly smart enough to see that she is only going off on yet another, and very predictable, tangent in order to get people TO reply. It is her M.O. and you know that, so don't feed into it. She is sitting there laughing at her own chaos because she thrives on it. Whenever D&D is calm, she just has to stir it up. I have watched this for 6 months now and it is a pattern that repeats itself over and over and over - there is not a person on here who is going to change her and it frustrates me beyond belief to see some still trying to. It ain't gonna happen!
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Just call me a sucker! lol
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I know you are certainly smart enough to see that she is only going off on yet another, and very predictable, tangent in order to get people TO reply. It is her M.O. and you know that, so don't feed into it. She is sitting there laughing at her own chaos because she thrives on it. Whenever D&D is calm, she just has to stir it up. I have watched this for 6 months now and it is a pattern that repeats itself over and over and over - there is not a person on here who is going to change her and it frustrates me beyond belief to see some still trying to. It ain't gonna happen!
Just call me a sucker! lol
That's funny, I thought that was aimed at me....lol
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<<<Sucker here she has sucked me in so many times..she starts out like she really wants to know then all of a sudden its a war grr I have chose to just type ignore to her responses I think lol damn see I am a sucker
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Why have the threads lately turned into chat rooms? I don't know whether to be saddened or entertained.
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Why have the threads lately turned into chat rooms? I don't know whether to be saddened or entertained.
There's plenty other threads qon, if this isn't to your liking.
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I am about to move back into my dorm, I will sure be missing my mommas cooking haha.
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I am about to move back into my dorm, I will sure be missing my mommas cooking haha.
Well, if you're close....come on over. I love to cook, but my son is gone and married. He was an appetite with skin on it. Man that kid could eat.....still can....lol The above is to have something to heat up if unexpected company shows up.....it always does...lol
I'm gone a lot in the field, so it's hard getting a home cooked meal for one too. Restaurant food just doesn't cut it, no matter how "mom and pop" they are.
What's your major? I remember the old college days. Are you on FB? Some of us are getting together outside this venue. Google my name......it's my handle.
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I'll be right over - sounds delicious!!!
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I'll be right over - sounds delicious!!!
Come On! LOL :wave: BTW, I sent you an email.
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I am about to move back into my dorm, I will sure be missing my mommas cooking haha.
Well, if you're close....come on over. I love to cook, but my son is gone and married. He was an appetite with skin on it. Man that kid could eat.....still can....lol The above is to have something to heat up if unexpected company shows up.....it always does...lol
I'm gone a lot in the field, so it's hard getting a home cooked meal for one too. Restaurant food just doesn't cut it, no matter how "mom and pop" they are.
What's your major? I remember the old college days. Are you on FB? Some of us are getting together outside this venue. Google my name......it's my handle.
Haha well I'm a girl but I'm an athlete, so between cross country, basketball, homework, and all the million other sports and extra curriculars during high school i would work up an appetite! I have such a fast metabolism though I am blessed haha I eat whatever I want and still look like a twig, hope that metabolism doesn't slow for awhile haha. And I totally agree about restaurant food, I don't know how people in the city can bear to eat out every night!
My major is accounting!
I'll do that :0)
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I am about to move back into my dorm, I will sure be missing my mommas cooking haha.
Well, if you're close....come on over. I love to cook, but my son is gone and married. He was an appetite with skin on it. Man that kid could eat.....still can....lol The above is to have something to heat up if unexpected company shows up.....it always does...lol
I'm gone a lot in the field, so it's hard getting a home cooked meal for one too. Restaurant food just doesn't cut it, no matter how "mom and pop" they are.
What's your major? I remember the old college days. Are you on FB? Some of us are getting together outside this venue. Google my name......it's my handle.
Haha well I'm a girl but I'm an athlete, so between cross country, basketball, homework, and all the million other sports and extra curriculars during high school i would work up an appetite! I have such a fast metabolism though I am blessed haha I eat whatever I want and still look like a twig, hope that metabolism doesn't slow for awhile haha. And I totally agree about restaurant food, I don't know how people in the city can bear to eat out every night!
My major is accounting!
I'll do that :0)
Whoa, I did that also. Retired early.
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Okay, we've asked her enough questions. There are things going on here that are quite sensitive to go into on a public forum. Yes, she deleted a lengthy thread we were all posting on. I guess we can take precautions that it won't happen again. Live and learn right? Who wants to come over for dinner? Pot Roast, homemade bread, veggies, and homemade ice cream.
I'll be right over - sounds delicious!!!
Thanks, I'll go check!!!!!
Come On! LOL :wave: BTW, I sent you an email.
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Did you get your masters and all the great CPA stuff or no? My mom did accounting also and decided not to get her CPA and said she always regretted it so I'm just curious haha.
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Did you get your masters and all the great CPA stuff or no? My mom did accounting also and decided not to get her CPA and said she always regretted it so I'm just curious haha.
Oh no, I don't mind telling you. Nothing to hide......lol I was just an Accountant/Full Charge Bookkeeper. Have a BA, and that was enough school for me. Being a single mom, going to college, plus working was tough.....lol I've worked for CPA's or various businesses for 15 years (contracted myself out), then took training/tests, which landed me in the Gov't., and worked for the DoD on various military bases till retirement. Still love crunching numbers, but don't regret the career change. Retired (early at 48), and answered the call into the Ministry. I'm Ordained and Evangelize. It gives me opportunity to travel (foreign and domestic). It's rare that I'm home over 4 months at a time, and getting itchy feet to hit the road again.....lol My life is blessed. Thanks be to God.
FC and a couple other websites fill in the extra hours when home. Making a bit of money here and there doesn't hurt either.........lol There are some wonderful Christians on here. It's actually 3:00 am on the West Coast (California). I'm up a lot at night....my most productive time......lol Don't require a lot of sleep, and have too much energy to sit still. Find me on FB and we can talk if you like. This isn't exactly a good place for getting to know people. Not really a chat room. Many on here have found me outside FC. With the net, you can find just about anybody....lol
Where are you going to College? You can eat what you want, and never gain weight? That's totally unfair.....lol
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.
I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.
We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?
What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.
We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.
I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.
Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.
If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
No you do not have anything even remotely resembling a right.
You have an unjustified want, and this moronic sense of entitlement that most christians exhibit,
Are you a relative of a victim?
Do you sit on the city planning board?
Are you even a citizen of NY?
Show me any thing in the constitution, the bill of rights, federal or local statute, or hell even a biblical commandment that mandates that a private citizen must supply you with proof of good moral character,or ask your blessing to build any thing he desires to on his privately held property.
Further-more, the plan is not for a mosque, it is for a community center that just so happens to include a space for muslim users to practice their long held tradition of multiple, daily, prayer sessions. Which their religious customs mandate at set times, regardless, of where they maybe or what they are doing.
That is simply media generated, inflammatory propaganda, designed to heighten weak minded individuals sense of intolerance, that you have so predictably embraced.
You are simply yet another bleed heart christian, squawking a bunch of self righteous demands dictating that everyone must conform to your self perceived illusions of moral superiority.
You say that these aledged "moral inadequacies" are your reason for attempting to infringe upon the man's rights, however, you and I both know that that is a lie.
Your true motivation is your intolerance of his race,religion, which is completely at odds to your constitution, as well as your illusions of racial, religious, and moral superiority, of which I certainly beg to differ with you.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
HAHAHA...HOW is my screen name masculine? And did you just insinuate that I'm a homosexual judging by my screen name?
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.
I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.
We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?
What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.
We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.
I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.
Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.
If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
No you do not have anything even remotely resembling a right.
You have an unjustified want, and this moronic sense of entitlement that most christians exhibit,
Are you a relative of a victim?
Do you sit on the city planning board?
Are you even a citizen of NY?
Show me any thing in the constitution, the bill of rights, federal or local statute, or hell even a biblical commandment that mandates that a private citizen must supply you with proof of good moral character,or ask your blessing to build any thing he desires to on his privately held property.
Further-more, the plan is not for a mosque, it is for a community center that just so happens to include a space for muslim users to practice their long held tradition of multiple, daily, prayer sessions. Which their religious customs mandate at set times, regardless, of where they maybe or what they are doing.
That is simply media generated, inflammatory propaganda, designed to heighten weak minded individuals sense of intolerance, that you have so predictably embraced.
You are simply yet another bleed heart christian, squawking a bunch of self righteous demands dictating that everyone must conform to your self perceived illusions of moral superiority.
You say that these aledged "moral inadequacies" are your reason for attempting to infringe upon the man's rights, however, you and I both know that that is a lie.
Your true motivation is your intolerance of his race,religion, which is completely at odds to your constitution, as well as your illusions of racial, religious, and moral superiority, of which I certainly beg to differ with you.
Actually my opinions on this have little to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with my political beliefs.
-- The government has gotten to a point where it's not much about the people or what they want anymore. They blow taxpayers money on things we have no say in. If I'm paying for the mosque, I should have a say in it.
--Are you going to answer any of the questions I put forth about the background of Rauf and his intentions for this mosque or are you going to simply blow it off and blame my religion for my political beliefs?
--America is about the people. I fully understand that Muslism have just as much of a right to be here and worship here an anyone else, I don't have a problem with that. I just think it's a little ignorant to think that after 9/11 security shouldn't be tighter-- and that an islamic extremist who has made anti-american remarks who is trying to build a mosque near a sight where muslim extremists attacked american people won't catch heat for it.
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Did you get your masters and all the great CPA stuff or no? My mom did accounting also and decided not to get her CPA and said she always regretted it so I'm just curious haha.
Oh no, I don't mind telling you. Nothing to hide......lol I was just an Accountant/Full Charge Bookkeeper. Have a BA, and that was enough school for me. Being a single mom, going to college, plus working was tough.....lol I've worked for CPA's or various businesses for 15 years (contracted myself out), then took training/tests, which landed me in the Gov't., and worked for the DoD on various military bases till retirement. Still love crunching numbers, but don't regret the career change. Retired (early at 48), and answered the call into the Ministry. I'm Ordained and Evangelize. It gives me opportunity to travel (foreign and domestic). It's rare that I'm home over 4 months at a time, and getting itchy feet to hit the road again.....lol My life is blessed. Thanks be to God.
FC and a couple other websites fill in the extra hours when home. Making a bit of money here and there doesn't hurt either.........lol There are some wonderful Christians on here. It's actually 3:00 am on the West Coast (California). I'm up a lot at night....my most productive time......lol Don't require a lot of sleep, and have too much energy to sit still. Find me on FB and we can talk if you like. This isn't exactly a good place for getting to know people. Not really a chat room. Many on here have found me outside FC. With the net, you can find just about anybody....lol
Where are you going to College? You can eat what you want, and never gain weight? That's totally unfair.....lol
That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!
Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!
I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.
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Just a thought--
You sat there and spouted a bunch of bull about how judgemental I am, then say I am a hypocrite because you find my screen name masculine which must mean I have homoosexual tendencies. First of all, I find no logic in this. Second of all, the hypocrisy of this literally made me laugh out loud. To call me judgemental then openly judge me haha and stereotype me by a SCREEN NAME, which is ludacrous anway.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
Oh get over yourself! You made a disgusting sexual innuendo, and now your found to be the proud owner of the "Laughing Jackass" Trophy. Now you want to turn the blame on her. Since you so graciously gave it to me on another thread, I'll return it to you (it's rightful owner).
You know what Walksalone. You made such a stink about how your people have been given the shaft, and on and on. I've been studying some things out. We actually have a couple Rez's here where I live, and a cultural/history museum. I've been trying to delve into the archives to find out some information. I'm being blocked in some areas because I'm the paleface, and your people are naturally suspicious of anyone wanting to know anything beyond what articles they want to sell. Now? Forget it! You don't appreciate anyone. Your so full of hate and discontent, that even if someone wanted to see your side or try to prove your allegations, your attitude turns them off. Good luck getting the "understanding" from the paleface with that chip on your shoulder, or trying to get people see your stance peppered with distaste and hate.
I've already mentioned I've got Inuit Indian friends in Alaska that I've known for almost 30 years. We still keep in contact. NONE of them act like you.......none!! Your behavior is shameful if your trying to represent your race. You come down on Christians so hard, and you do it with harsh sarcasm and dripping contempt. That's a wonderful way to encourage people to see your point.
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That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!
Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!
I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.
My life has been so interesting because God has control of it. I'm not done yet, I still have many years to continue on with His work.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be nearer to those you love. When my son went into the Air Force (right smack out of high school...his dream), I knew it was going to be tough......it was. He's my only child. He immediately got orders for Desert Storm, then when he got back, off to England for years. He finally got back, and was closer in Spokane, WA., so I could at least see him on a semi-regular basis. After he got out after 10 years, I thought I'd see him more....Nope! General Dynamics hired him, and he travels all over the world. Sometimes we may cross each other in Airports, if we can synchronize our schedules.....lol Thank God for the Internet and Skype, or we wouldn't have much chance to communicate....lol
Use your gut instincts, and ask God what's best. He will lead you the right way. Sometimes the brightest way in the secular world isn't the way to go, even though it looks like it's paved with the best opportunities. I know a young lady who got a 4 year scholarship to UOP here in California. After one semester, she knew that's not where she was supposed to be. You gotta know what's best for you, not what will supposedly gain others acceptance or approval. You sound like your on the right track, and level headed.
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Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do. I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them. We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them. :star:
Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less :heart:)
Same here, love, nothing but love.
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Just for the record, this Christian does not hate atheists, or anyone else who chooses not to believe as I do. I have friends who are all kinds of religions and I think the world of them. We do have friendly, sometimes "sparked" debates, and certainly I pray for them, but I could never hate them. :star:
Ditto here! Ain't got nothin but love (frustrated love sometimes but love none the less :heart:)
Same here, love, nothing but love.
Yes there is love, but sometimes if someone wants to wipe their shoes on your Christianity or your brothers and sisters in the Lord, then it's time to stand up and NOT be a doormat. Even Christ was nobody's doormat, even with the false religious leaders of His day, right down to the political officials. There's a time to love, but when that love is used for an opportunity to debase the very Blood of Jesus, then it's time to stand for what you believe.
Just because we are Christians, we're considered weak and weak minded. Nothing can be farther from the truth! We have a Holy Boldness that we can use when the enemy wants to do nothing but wreck havoc in word or deed. We have all power given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ to put a stop to verbal spewing against Christians. More than likely they wind up having no "bite" to that roar. We are told we have power to tread under our feet serpents and scorpions and nothing shall by any means hurt us. Luke 10: 16-20 If that power wasn't necessary, then why do we have it?
You will see no true Christian call names or debase in any way to an unbeliever. There's a difference between an unbeliever and someone who is just full of hate for God, and everything from the Bible and His followers. They conspire to pour out filth upon said believers. Yes, there's a time to be wise as a serpent, but harmless as a dove, but also a time to be bold as a lion. A mature Christian knows the difference, and when those times are, and with what he's dealing with at the time.
Most people are just people living their lives and would respect anyone. However, there are some that go out of their way to spew garbage on anyone carrying the Blood of Jesus.
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:cat: Annella, as you already know, all of that "hate", etc. is just as the Bible has predicted would happen to people who stand for the Lord. We can't expect any less.
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:cat: Annella, as you already know, all of that "hate", etc. is just as the Bible has predicted would happen to people who stand for the Lord. We can't expect any less.
Yes I know, but you pick on my family (brothers and sister), I'm going to come to their defense. Just like any normal family member would. This will be my family forever.
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:cat: You are absolutely right!!!
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That's awesome! My mom felt the same way! What's funny is my older sister also did accounting and she's very very smart...and when it came time to choose is she wanted to continue for the CPA she was going NO WAY I don't want anymore school haha. So I think that is a fairly common thing!
Sounds like you've had a wonderful life and experienced some amazing things!!!
I go to a Junior College in Texas...I had scholarships to go play sports but ended up turning them down, I didn't want to move away yet. What's funnier is I had a cross country scholarship at the school I attend and didn't take it haha.
My life has been so interesting because God has control of it. I'm not done yet, I still have many years to continue on with His work.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be nearer to those you love. When my son went into the Air Force (right smack out of high school...his dream), I knew it was going to be tough......it was. He's my only child. He immediately got orders for Desert Storm, then when he got back, off to England for years. He finally got back, and was closer in Spokane, WA., so I could at least see him on a semi-regular basis. After he got out after 10 years, I thought I'd see him more....Nope! General Dynamics hired him, and he travels all over the world. Sometimes we may cross each other in Airports, if we can synchronize our schedules.....lol Thank God for the Internet and Skype, or we wouldn't have much chance to communicate....lol
Use your gut instincts, and ask God what's best. He will lead you the right way. Sometimes the brightest way in the secular world isn't the way to go, even though it looks like it's paved with the best opportunities. I know a young lady who got a 4 year scholarship to UOP here in California. After one semester, she knew that's not where she was supposed to be. You gotta know what's best for you, not what will supposedly gain others acceptance or approval. You sound like your on the right track, and level headed.
It's amazing how God works :0)
I can't imagine traveling all over the world without my family or someone with me, but it would be a GREAT experience. I just get so homesick haha, I'm such a small town girl!!
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Hey Mackenzie, are you still going to be around after moving into your dorm? Probably not much. I always had my nose in a book studying, even if I had an extra 10 minutes to myself....lol
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Haha I will but not as much, school starts Monday and they never give us too much work the first couple sessions...plus a lot of my classses require work online and I have a couple actual online classes and I always end up giving myself a break to go to other websites haha. I'm really good at managing my time though so I will still be on some!! Especially if there's a good debate going haha
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
Also, disagreeing with homosexuality is far different from being a homophobe...being prejudiced against a lifestyle is not the same as simply disagreeing with it.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
Also, disagreeing with homosexuality is far different from being a homophobe...being prejudiced against a lifestyle is not the same as simply disagreeing with it.
Amen!
I'll be going to the Philippines soon. They're still working out the details. It always comes down to funding.....doesn't everything? I'm going to try and still log on with a laptop. Gotta find out if that's possible. Some on here say it is....so we'll see. There can only be one IP per person. May have to buy a special adapter or something. My system isn't Windows based (got a Mac), so it may be a bit different. I'll contact Apple and garner some info. They should know better than anybody. See ya around.......
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
Also, disagreeing with homosexuality is far different from being a homophobe...being prejudiced against a lifestyle is not the same as simply disagreeing with it.
Amen!
I'll be going to the Philippines soon. They're still working out the details. It always comes down to funding.....doesn't everything? I'm going to try and still log on with a laptop. Gotta find out if that's possible. Some on here say it is....so we'll see. There can only be one IP per person. May have to buy a special adapter or something. My system isn't Windows based (got a Mac), so it may be a bit different. I'll contact Apple and garner some info. They should know better than anybody. See ya around.......
I hope you have a wonderful time!!! And hope to hear from ya whenever you can! Until then, I'll try to hold down the debate and discuss forum haha.
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I believe you can!
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nothing shall by any means hurt us.
Have you purchased your magic prayer cloth to rub on your credit card to get you out of debt, too?
There's a difference between an unbeliever and someone who is just full of hate for God
Can't be full of hate over somebody that doesn't exist, honey. I do very much DISLIKE how religion robs people of their right minds, though.
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as you already know, all of that "hate", etc. is just as the Bible has predicted would happen to people who stand for the Lord. We can't expect any less.
Just because it says something in a book and you can pick and choose it to matching with reality does not give your claim any validity whatsoever. I could do that with Harry Potter or Alice in Wonderland...does that make them true? Of course not.
I wanted to ask you a serious question Queenofnines. You say you were a Christian, how long were you one? When did you become an atheist?
A little over 5 years. 2007.
I know me personally, all the things you have presented so far in the forum are things I have known since I can remember, The Big bang and Evolution and more, I have known about since like elementary school.
My main reasons for not believing in god don't have to do with science. 8)
It seems to me though, you only recently found out all this stuff and made a switch.
I guess 3.5 years is fairly recent? I'm not that old! :P
Can I ask why you ever believed in God?
I've already told y'all, but here it is again (from the mega 'I don't believe in god' thread):
"In 2001 I was hospitalized due to anorexia. I was admitted at 72lbs. Shortly into my stay, I made a point-blank choice to start believing in god because I thought it might be an appropriate thing to do given my situation. Soon after I contracted the rotavirus from the hospital and had to be put on isolation. I was throwing up and pooping everywhere (sorry) and lost pretty much all of the weight I had gained.
As you may have heard, being deprived of human contact for an extended period of time tends to make a human crazy. Throw in being severely underweight and sick with a virus and it only expedites the process! I started seeing and hearing things that weren't there, like my eyes spinning when I looked in the mirror and even the Grim Reaper floating across the parking garage outside my window. Those were some of the scary things.
There were also "positive" things, like I thought god was talking to me on the radio, I thought I saw angels protecting me and floating around the hospital, I even thought god (who was a black guy in my hallucination) was trying to teach me a lesson about vanity by coming in and shaving some of my hair (that didn't actually happen because my hair was intact, but it seemed so real because while I was in it, I could touch and see clumps of my hair gone). I even thought I had already died and I was in some kind of waiting place.
When I got better and left the hospital, I used this "powerful personal testimony" to encourage myself to get into church. I know now why the things happened to me; it was because my body was shutting down, not that god was speaking to me!! And like Falconer said with his Star Wars, because I had just decided to believe in god immediately preceding these events, it's not surprising that that's where a lot of them took me. I also thought the doctors were characters from books I had read, so don't think it was all god...
P.S. I have been perfectly healthy and fine for years when it comes to the whole reason I was in the hospital, so you don't need to worry. :) "
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I made a point-blank choice to start believing in god because I thought it might be an appropriate thing to do given my situation.
This isn't how people come to true faith. You always defend your Christian experience as being real so that Christians can't say you didn't experience the real thing. Sorry, but it sounds like you had a bunch of craziness happen to you and crazy is what drove you to church. You Christian experience sounds shallow and full of misinformation about who God is. Your hallucinations were clearly not spiritual, so I agree with you there. Your confusion about God is certainly evident in the wacky hallucinations.
None of this sounds like any Christian walk I ever heard of....it's sounds like a bunch of crazy, from a person who never understood God in the first place. It wasn't that much of a leap to think atheism is rational when your Christian walk was based in psychosis. :confused1:
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This isn't how people come to true faith.
Well at the time, the hallucinations were so powerful that I DID think it was god. It was actually a pretty neat time for me, thinking it was god. In any event, isn't the point that I DID come to the church and become a true believer?
A lot of people have powerful experiences like mine, they're just not adept enough to see the explanation for it. Because I am admitting to you the natural explanation for my main motivator to get into Christianity, you are calling me out because you're under the incorrect assumption that "no true Christian ever leaves the church". Sorry to break it to you, but yes they do, each and every day.
You always defend your Christian experience as being real so that Christians can't say you didn't experience the real thing. Sorry, but it sounds like you had a bunch of craziness happen to you and crazy is what drove you to church.
This is an incredibly offensive thing to say (and I'm not the one who is usually offended). How dare you accuse my Christian experience as being shallow, when I am telling you outright I very much did believe in god. I was heavily involved with the church, paid my full tithe every month, got baptized of my own accord, etc. But I've already told you all that.
You Christians love to go on and on about "the truth" (which is funny as hell, but I'll leave that alone for a minute), so why can't you accept the truth that many true Christians have and do leave the religion due to an increase in knowledge (or whatever the case may be)? If you want to make yourselves look better, start dropping some of the falsehoods you love to spew out like this one.
Your hallucinations were clearly not spiritual, so I agree with you there. Your confusion about God is certainly evident in the wacky hallucinations.
Uh-huh...are you a doctor? Why not say what you actually think -- it doesn't matter what their story is, if a person ever leaves Christianity, they were never a "real" Christian to begin with. Remember that guy from The Atheist Experience you hate? He was a Christian for 25 years and studying to be a minister...yeah, I guess he was just faking being an Xtian, too. All of us atheists were, you know.
from a person who never understood God in the first place.
I understood god once I was in it. You and Annella - such judgers. :angry7:
It wasn't that much of a leap to think atheism is rational when your Christian walk was based in psychosis.
Uh, don't let your opinion of one person to define a stance overall. THAT isn't rational. And I was hallucination-free for the rest of my Christian walk, so it isn't fair for you to say it was "based" on my hospital experience - it was based on god! See, this sort of thing is an example of you not thinking critically.
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queenofnines: I'm not saying you turned to God out of fear, but if so, when people turn to God from fear rather than in faith, it usually isn't "real". The salvation part I really can't say if it's real or not if it's just prayed "out of fear" but I know one can go to church, pray and do all the other things that Believers do---but the actual relationship with God is missing.
Thank you, Sheryl. Your words were much sweeter than others I have gotten when sharing my Christian experience. I appreciate how you use words like "probably" or "might" -- that is what I try to do when speaking about people/issues because to not use them is to wrongly judge. It's a very personal thing, ya know, revealing what I went through. I'm fine doing it because I'm not that person anymore, but it still deserves respect due to the nature of it.
Me choosing god wasn't out of fear...even though I was potentially near death. It was more like an intelligent choice or a rational wager. I knew my only reason for not believing was based on one thing; I might as well be fair to religion before I came to an ultimate conclusion, you know? And that's what I did...I did give Jesus a fair shot, and now have experience being on 3 sides of the issue (non-religious first, Christian second, true atheist third).
As for having a "relationship" with god...I had prayers answered and "blessings bestowed", so I definitely felt like there was some interaction there.
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Let me elaborate...mine was "mental" hers was "dying?" yet how are the similar?
They both happened in the brain, hon. That's why they're similar.
I also wanted to add for Sherna: before the hallucinations, when I actually made the choice to believe in god, this is how it happened:
I was making a list of things I believed in when I decided to change the radio from my usual rock station to Christian music. The list said stuff like family, friends, animals...and the last thing I added, after a moment of pause, was "GOD". In big capital letters. I felt this warm, proud feeling move over me (what you guys attribute to god) and posted that note over my bed for all to see.
I also later asked the nurse to take me to the chapel to pray, something I was nervous about doing because I hadn't had much experience in church, but did nonetheless.
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I understood god once I was in it. You and Annella - such judgers. :angry7:
This is ironic to me considering every single thing you've said about Christians has been judgemental. && how unbelievably immature you are to randomly throw Annella in and run your little mouth about her when she's not even in the conversation. Petty personal attacks as usual.
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you're under the incorrect assumption that "no true Christian ever leaves the church"
Those words never came out of my mouth....your words not mine. And yes I know Christians leave the church all the time. I don't even recall using the term "True Christian" ...I could have but I don't recall. At any rate, it's not about being a true Christian it's about having an indwelling of the Holy Spirit within you that doesn't leave room for doubt, once that kind of truth has been revealed to you, you don't turn away from it. Many many many Christians are going through the motions and not really experiencing that indwelling of God's spirit. Those people are more easily deceived and more prone to doubt and unbelief.
Edit: This doesn't make someone who is filled with the Spirit superior, it doesn't make them more important, it doesn't make them better in any way. It simply brings a person into deeper relationship and a stronger defense. The Holy Spirit is also referred to as the Spirit of truth....this is not just a truth that you decide to believe, it is a truth that lives and breathes in you.
This is an incredibly offensive thing to say (and I'm not the one who is usually offended). How dare you accuse my Christian experience as being shallow, when I am telling you outright I very much did believe in god. I was heavily involved with the church, paid my full tithe every month, got baptized of my own accord, etc. But I've already told you all that.
I'm a little confused as to why you would be offended about me saying your experience was shallow....you think Christianity is a crock, you think God is a delusion...why does it matter what delusional people worshiping a delusional god think about your delusional experience?
I felt this warm, proud feeling move over me (what you guys attribute to god) and posted that note over my bed for all to see.
I get nice warm feelings when I take a hot bath, I don't attribute that to a spiritual experience. Experiencing God goes far beyond warm fuzzies.
if a person ever leaves Christianity, they were never a "real" Christian to begin with.
Once again, your words, not mine.
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Why do you think we can't hear God or see God or any kind of spirtual thing?
As far as seeing god, the bible states in quite a few places that no one will see him, even if you think you did. A couple examples:
Timothy (6:13) says, in part that "god alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see."
Exodus (33:20) And he (God) said, Thou canst not see my face, for there shall no man see me, and live.
Since you are able to type, I have to assume you are still alive.
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OK Daddy Mack, I live totally off grid and my batteries are about dead......come on back tomorrow if you like.
BTW, I'm a girl. So the smartalec remark was a bit ignorant in this case. I'll be sure to reply tomorrow or the next day, don't you worry.
congratulations.
What I find a bit ignorant is a female christion referring to them self with a masculine screen name, considering the pervasiveness of homophobic and patriarchal ideologies in your chosen form of spirituality.
Also, disagreeing with homosexuality is far different from being a homophobe...being prejudiced against a lifestyle is not the same as simply disagreeing with it.
Amen!
I'll be going to the Philippines soon. They're still working out the details. It always comes down to funding.....doesn't everything? I'm going to try and still log on with a laptop. Gotta find out if that's possible. Some on here say it is....so we'll see. There can only be one IP per person. May have to buy a special adapter or something. My system isn't Windows based (got a Mac), so it may be a bit different. I'll contact Apple and garner some info. They should know better than anybody. See ya around.......
:cat:Annella, I hope you have a wonderful and productive time while gone. Hope you are able to stay in touch. Be safe!!! :wave:
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nothing shall by any means hurt us.
Have you purchased your magic prayer cloth to rub on your credit card to get you out of debt, too?
There's a difference between an unbeliever and someone who is just full of hate for God
Can't be full of hate over somebody that doesn't exist, honey. I do very much DISLIKE how religion robs people of their right minds, though.
You have been taking offense at things being said on here and even called Annella and Sherna judgers. What do you think you are doing right above this sentence? How offensive (your word, as well) that you tell me God does not exist. That's YOUR choice. God does exist for me, so knock it off with the judging. I'm not judging you for your choice, so quit judging Christians that choose to believe/know God is real and accepts Him. I am also in my RIGHT mind - that's another thing I do NOT say to you for your choice in this situation. :angry7: :- >:( :)
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Well, no Christian has a right to get offended....the spirit of offense is what causes unforgiveness and you can't stand before God asking for forgiveness if you have aught against anyone. However, Christians don't have to sit back and just accept whatever people say. You can defend yourself without being offended. You can stand up for what is right, you can stand up for your faith, you can stand up for truth, without being offended by the liar. You can even have righteous anger! We are supposed to hate sin, we are not supposed to coddle it, but we don't have to get offended by the sinner.
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Hahahahhahaha thanks so much for that, and you say Christians are judgemental??
I would have to say that's a little different...that would be like a *bleep* putting up a wall with a swastikka(sp.?) on it in a Jewish community...people are STILL hurting from the tragedies of 9/11. But to me that's not even the main issue.
Where is the funding coming from?
Does Imam agree with his wife that in America there is nothing but hate for muslims?
And what are his intentions for the mosque...especially after making controversial remarks such as "we tend to forget, in the west, that the United States has more muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hand on innocent non-muslims"
I have trouble supporting him, not because he's muslim, but because he thinks the U.S. has done more damage among muslims that Al Qaeda (an organization CENTERED on terrorism who aims attacks at the U.S.) has done to Americans.
THAT STATEMENT is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. Simple as that.
The US has more blood on it's hands from right here on this continent then any other foreigners do.
Why is it that whenever I made a valid point regarding the Mosque that YOU brought into the argument, you change the subject. Let's make this debate worthwhile, go ahead and answer some of my questions and Imam Rauf, his beliefs, his funding...prove that Christians vote against it out of hate and not common sense.
The be honest I am not familiar with the conduct of Imam Rauf. Let me ask you since you insinuate you are familiar with him, has he been convicted of any crimes, or are you just assuming he is guilty without a trial? Certainly a fine patriot such as your self wouldn't concieve of bending your constitution would you.
Now, lets suppose he were guilty of all charges, would you support any other muslim or muslim organization building a "community Center" at he location in question?
WHEN did I claim he was guilty of a crime. Please quote that for me.
So there are questions to his character, you can't start punishing someone before they are found guilty, as far as his claims as to US narm toward Muslims, I am not a scholar of Muslim events, but using the precedence that the US has set in regards to many other peoples here and abroad, I wouldn't dismiss his claims.
I never said go ahead and punish him. I'm simply saying that as Americans we deserve to be informed, and I don't mean I want CNN to give me a liberalized version of who Rauf is.
We should get to know WHERE is the funding coming from? Our tax dollars?
Who is this guy? Where did he grow up? Where does he stand on the issues with Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Qaeda?
How does he feel about Americans actions toward Muslims?
Does he feel extremely mistreated as a muslim, does this make him angry, does he have a history of supporting violent acts or the practice of violence among islamic extremists?
If the mosque is so important to him, why does he reject the idea of building it in a different location?
How does he feel about his wife saying Americans hate muslims (not in those exact words)?
What we DO know is he believes Americans have more muslim blood on their hands than muslims do us.
We should get to know how he feels about this! To me going around saying that we have done more damage to them than Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorists have done to us is SCARY to American people...and DISRESPECTFUL to 9/11 victims.
I simply think that as an American, I should get to know all the facts and base my choice on them.
Also, I find it unfair that because he's muslim and it's a mosque us acting any questions about it is deemed hateful, intolerant, and prejudice...we STILL deserve to know.
If 9/11 were attacked by Christians, and the main target had been muslims do you think they'd glorify us building a Christian church in the same vicinity. I highly doubt it.
No you do not have anything even remotely resembling a right.
You have an unjustified want, and this moronic sense of entitlement that most christians exhibit,
Are you a relative of a victim?
Do you sit on the city planning board?
Are you even a citizen of NY?
Show me any thing in the constitution, the bill of rights, federal or local statute, or hell even a biblical commandment that mandates that a private citizen must supply you with proof of good moral character,or ask your blessing to build any thing he desires to on his privately held property.
Further-more, the plan is not for a mosque, it is for a community center that just so happens to include a space for muslim users to practice their long held tradition of multiple, daily, prayer sessions. Which their religious customs mandate at set times, regardless, of where they maybe or what they are doing.
That is simply media generated, inflammatory propaganda, designed to heighten weak minded individuals sense of intolerance, that you have so predictably embraced.
You are simply yet another bleed heart christian, squawking a bunch of self righteous demands dictating that everyone must conform to your self perceived illusions of moral superiority.
You say that these aledged "moral inadequacies" are your reason for attempting to infringe upon the man's rights, however, you and I both know that that is a lie.
Your true motivation is your intolerance of his race,religion, which is completely at odds to your constitution, as well as your illusions of racial, religious, and moral superiority, of which I certainly beg to differ with you.
Actually my opinions on this have little to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with my political beliefs.
-- The government has gotten to a point where it's not much about the people or what they want anymore. They blow taxpayers money on things we have no say in. If I'm paying for the mosque, I should have a say in it.
--Are you going to answer any of the questions I put forth about the background of Rauf and his intentions for this mosque or are you going to simply blow it off and blame my religion for my political beliefs?
--America is about the people. I fully understand that Muslism have just as much of a right to be here and worship here an anyone else, I don't have a problem with that. I just think it's a little ignorant to think that after 9/11 security shouldn't be tighter-- and that an islamic extremist who has made anti-american remarks who is trying to build a mosque near a sight where muslim extremists attacked american people won't catch heat for it.
I have answered your questions,in fact I have answered them twice so far and will behappy to elaborate furture,but, first I'd like to ask you to answer the questions I asked you. Certainly I can expect a reciprocal courtesy in that respect, can I not?
If in fact the man is guilty of some crimes that would prevent him from developing the site would you support another Muslim or Muslim organization in developing there?
If the issue is the 2 block proximity, what would be acceptable 20 blocks? 20 miles?
What are your thoughts on christion churches in close proximity to Indigenous massacre locations for instance the church that is within 20 feet of the cemetery at the Wounded Knee memorialsite where the murder victims remains lay?
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Isn't there something about 'turning the other cheek'? I realize fully that religion will always be a hot topic, but it seems lately there is an awful lot of self righteous anger coming out of a few christian people on here. I have not totally bashed anyone's beliefs, show me where if you think I have, but I have seen some very salty replies from a certain few on here and it makes no sense to me. (I am not referring to any discourse between myself and one person - let's leave that out of it, I know what I have said to her and it has been based on her own words.) What I am getting at is the steam that seems to be building up as a result of placing someone on a pedestal as if they can say or do no wrong. That just doesn't seem right if you are coming from that place of 'love and light', is it? Recently I have seen the "we are not doormats" quite a few times. That's right, no one is a doormat, christian, atheist, or whatever. But to say things like "don't tell me there is no god, how offensive to say god doesn't exist", etc. - not right.
I think Sheryl said it very well in her post. If I told you right now that I believed Donald Trump was god, pointed out all the things in books he has written and also all things written about him, told you all it was belief in him that was going to save me, what would happen? I'm fairly certain I would get some very fervent backlash on that one! But if I honestly felt that way, in every cell and fiber of my being, than any and all of you could disgree with me and I wouldn't care. Why? Because I would be just as strong as anyone else in what they do or don't believe.
There are more christians than agnostic or atheists who post on here in D&D and the numbers seem to be growing lately with a few new posters. It is almost as if there's a 'force' building here and it is starting to get downright mean. Almost as if a 'believer' can say whatever they want without reprimand from anyone on here because they have 'god on their side'. sherna mentioned the anger and I would tend to agree with that because just about every person alive experiences that feeling at some time. What I am seeing more and more of though is that 'self righteous anger', as I said above, and that doesn't fly, sorry.
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Just got on, and see the conversation here. Sundays can be a bit lengthy for me at times. Just skimmed the last couple pages. I'm not gone yet, looks like the funding is coming through, so probably get the OK this next week some time what date I'll be pulling out. I did find out I can probably come visit via laptop overseas. I'll just have to see once I get there.
QON, I never judged you, what I said was you had no manners calling Christians names and applying negative labels to my brothers and sisters. That's not judgmental, that's fact! I will stick up for my family. All you atheists stick up for one another.....so what's your beef?
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Just got on, and see the conversation here. Sundays can be a bit lengthy for me at times. Just skimmed the last couple pages. I'm not gone yet, looks like the funding is coming through, so probably get the OK this next week some time what date I'll be pulling out. I did find out I can probably come visit via laptop overseas. I'll just have to see once I get there.
QON, I never judged you, what I said was you had no manners calling Christians names and applying negative labels to my brothers and sisters. That's not judgmental, that's fact! I will stick up for my family. All you atheists stick up for one another.....so what's your beef?
Annella...Amy (yes, the other one. ;) ) looked back over the cooking topic, and in case you haven't seen all the posts, she's a bit upset to say the least. She says she never posted in the topic and would never claim her husband was dead. I figured once you learned this, that you would apologize for the mistake. :heart:
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There is a difference between self righteous anger and righteous anger.
For example, a recent thread I started posting a video where an old lady threw a live cat in a trash can. I have every right to be angry at such actions. Her actions were cruel and there is no justification. If I am angry enough to search her out and send hate mail...that is not okay. The bible says, be angry and sin not.
The reason some Christians are coming out and saying they won't be doormats is because, (I think) there is been too much Christian bashing going on. Threads get started with the sole purpose of saying how horrible and stupid Christians are. Queen started a post about (Logical reasons against God or something like that) a thread meant to bash the Christian God and the delusional people who believe in Him. She also has a thread (shameful Christian behavior) (if I were a Christian I would claim this as proof of God's existence) some older ones that were current when I first signed up...recently we have (Hell an unattended stove) where at the end of the post it says we make God look like a maniac and ourselves look like thoughtless dolts. Or how about (evidence for design...moronic design).
Where are the threads saying Atheists are delusional.....rid the world of atheism before it destroys the nation....this is a one way Christian bashing street and I think people are getting tired of it. Everyone keeps saying, "hey Christians, stop trying to convert people, let people believe what they want and leave them alone" and then they go and start threads about why people shouldn't believe in God. Is this being hypocritical or isn't it?
The definition of doormat is someone who offers little resistance to being mistreated. There has been a lot of mistreatment of Christians in this forum and with no provocation.
Not saying you did this to anyone or to me jordan but I was prejudged in this forum simply by posts making it obvious I was a Christian. It wasn't until later I proved I wasn't a thoughtless dolt that any non Christian person was willing to give me the time of day or consider anything I had to say important.
Ugly, but true.
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Isn't there something about 'turning the other cheek'? I realize fully that religion will always be a hot topic, but it seems lately there is an awful lot of self righteous anger coming out of a few christian people on here. I have not totally bashed anyone's beliefs, show me where if you think I have, but I have seen some very salty replies from a certain few on here and it makes no sense to me. (I am not referring to any discourse between myself and one person - let's leave that out of it, I know what I have said to her and it has been based on her own words.) What I am getting at is the steam that seems to be building up as a result of placing someone on a pedestal as if they can say or do no wrong. That just doesn't seem right if you are coming from that place of 'love and light', is it? Recently I have seen the "we are not doormats" quite a few times. That's right, no one is a doormat, christian, atheist, or whatever. But to say things like "don't tell me there is no god, how offensive to say god doesn't exist", etc. - not right.
I think Sheryl said it very well in her post. If I told you right now that I believed Donald Trump was god, pointed out all the things in books he has written and also all things written about him, told you all it was belief in him that was going to save me, what would happen? I'm fairly certain I would get some very fervent backlash on that one! But if I honestly felt that way, in every cell and fiber of my being, than any and all of you could disgree with me and I wouldn't care. Why? Because I would be just as strong as anyone else in what they do or don't believe.
There are more christians than agnostic or atheists who post on here in D&D and the numbers seem to be growing lately with a few new posters. It is almost as if there's a 'force' building here and it is starting to get downright mean. Almost as if a 'believer' can say whatever they want without reprimand from anyone on here because they have 'god on their side'. sherna mentioned the anger and I would tend to agree with that because just about every person alive experiences that feeling at some time. What I am seeing more and more of though is that 'self righteous anger', as I said above, and that doesn't fly, sorry.
Okay, wait a minute. I wouldn't call it self righteous anger at all. As far a reprimanding anyone, we as Christians have been reprimanded right and left. When I first came on this forum, I came with nothing but love in my heart....in fact, it's still there. I do love everyone on here. What I don't like, is the injustice of just what is written above. If we Christians sit here and take all the all the blasphemy and negative "blasting" about our belief in God and His Word, and say nothing......I guess that's acceptable?
Jordandog your twisting words here to make it sound like I don't preach or practice love......not so! Go back and read my posts! What I am saying is that I will stand up for my brothers and sisters, if they are being "bashed" just because they are Christians. All you have to do is go back and read some posts, if you want to know where anger is coming from. It certainly has not been from us Christians.
If your just posting something, no harm.....nothing, and someone comes along to "bash" you for no reason at all, just because your a Christian. and they don't like Christians, then it's time to stand up and let them know that your not a doormat. We don't do that as Christians. Turning the other cheek has it's place, and I've done that in certain instances, but not where is down right attack for absolutely no reason at all........
I take it you don't like us sticking up for ourselves. That's okay. I never mentioned anything to anyone that they did not do. I didn't "fabricate", or "slime around", as we have been accused of doing. I gave facts and nothing but facts. I guess if we sit back and eat all the dirt you serve on our plates, smile, and say "man this is good", that would be okay?
The minute we turn to defend our God, Faith, Spiritual Family, your offended? I pray for everyone on this forum. I got "blasted" big time for saying the words "We hate the sin but LOVE the sinner". No matter what we say, it's taken apart and used against us. I'm so sorry we are not the weak or weak minded people you think we are.
Mackenzie put it so well in one of her posts, that I guess because we are Christians, we have no intelligence. I'm used to people attacking the Bible, God, Christians in general, and I usually know they do it out of ignorance. On this forum some do it out of ignorance, but there are those that are just out to verbally destroy anything or anybody who stands on the Lord's side.
So now your crying foul, because I'm standing up for my brothers and sister, and myself? Kind of ironic don't you think?
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There is a difference between self righteous anger and righteous anger.
For example, a recent thread I started posting a video where an old lady threw a live cat in a trash can. I have every right to be angry at such actions. Her actions were cruel and there is no justification. If I am angry enough to search her out and send hate mail...that is not okay. The bible says, be angry and sin not.
The reason some Christians are coming out and saying they won't be doormats is because, (I think) there is been too much Christian bashing going on. Threads get started with the sole purpose of saying how horrible and stupid Christians are. Queen started a post about (Logical reasons against God or something like that) a thread meant to bash the Christian God and the delusional people who believe in Him. She also has a thread (shameful Christian behavior) (if I were a Christian I would claim this as proof of God's existence) some older ones that were current when I first signed up...recently we have (Hell an unattended stove) where at the end of the post it says we make God look like a maniac and ourselves look like thoughtless dolts. Or how about (evidence for design...moronic design).
Where are the threads saying Atheists are delusional.....rid the world of atheism before it destroys the nation....this is a one way Christian bashing street and I think people are getting tired of it. Everyone keeps saying, "hey Christians, stop trying to convert people, let people believe what they want and leave them alone" and then they go and start threads about why people shouldn't believe in God. Is this being hypocritical or isn't it?
The definition of doormat is someone who offers little resistance to being mistreated. There has been a lot of mistreatment of Christians in this forum and with no provocation.
Not saying you did this to anyone or to me jordan but I was prejudged in this forum simply by posts making it obvious I was a Christian. It wasn't until later I proved I wasn't a thoughtless dolt that any non Christian person was willing to give me the time of day or consider anything I had to say important.
Ugly, but true.
I see what you are getting at but I think there is something more to this then what you are seeing or perhaps what you are willing to admit.
I have mentioned this before, but seriously think about it, everyone one of the regulars here know that I am not a agnostic/atheist, however, so far I have never received one hateful or negetive post from them.......why?
I have a suspicion but very well could be totally off base, so, why don't we ask them just for academic purposes.
Falconer.....Queen......what gives here?
Why do some believers receive your wrath while others like myself have not?
I think this will be very revealing in perspectives we initiate.
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I have mentioned this before, but seriously think about it, everyone one of the regulars here know that I am not a agnostic/atheist, however, so far I have never received one hateful or negetive post from them.......why?
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief. And you are on their side where Christianity hating is concerned. So they tolerate your beliefs because you don't believe in a God that comes to earth as a man and dies for our sins and is personally involved in His creation's every breath.
That's what I think.
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Just got on, and see the conversation here. Sundays can be a bit lengthy for me at times. Just skimmed the last couple pages. I'm not gone yet, looks like the funding is coming through, so probably get the OK this next week some time what date I'll be pulling out. I did find out I can probably come visit via laptop overseas. I'll just have to see once I get there.
QON, I never judged you, what I said was you had no manners calling Christians names and applying negative labels to my brothers and sisters. That's not judgmental, that's fact! I will stick up for my family. All you atheists stick up for one another.....so what's your beef?
Annella...Amy (yes, the other one. ;) ) looked back over the cooking topic, and in case you haven't seen all the posts, she's a bit upset to say the least. She says she never posted in the topic and would never claim her husband was dead. I figured once you learned this, that you would apologize for the mistake. :heart:
Thank you for posting that but I do not want an apology. I will pretend as if nothing has happened though I will not take shi* from anyone so yes the ignored button was used today for Marie. I have NEVER attacked anyones family on here in any way shape or form, that is just disrespectful. I have enough respect for myself and others though some do not deserve it. I still would never choose a low blow like that.
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Oh and you also make fun of christians beliefs.
OK...I'll bite.
I'm not a Christian, and I don't make fun of Christians' beliefs...yet I haven't been attacked.
Its not all black and white here.
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief.
Except for Islam, apparently. ::)
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There is a difference between self righteous anger and righteous anger.
For example, a recent thread I started posting a video where an old lady threw a live cat in a trash can. I have every right to be angry at such actions. Her actions were cruel and there is no justification. If I am angry enough to search her out and send hate mail...that is not okay. The bible says, be angry and sin not.
The reason some Christians are coming out and saying they won't be doormats is because, (I think) there is been too much Christian bashing going on. Threads get started with the sole purpose of saying how horrible and stupid Christians are. Queen started a post about (Logical reasons against God or something like that) a thread meant to bash the Christian God and the delusional people who believe in Him. She also has a thread (shameful Christian behavior) (if I were a Christian I would claim this as proof of God's existence) some older ones that were current when I first signed up...recently we have (Hell an unattended stove) where at the end of the post it says we make God look like a maniac and ourselves look like thoughtless dolts. Or how about (evidence for design...moronic design).
Where are the threads saying Atheists are delusional.....rid the world of atheism before it destroys the nation....this is a one way Christian bashing street and I think people are getting tired of it. Everyone keeps saying, "hey Christians, stop trying to convert people, let people believe what they want and leave them alone" and then they go and start threads about why people shouldn't believe in God. Is this being hypocritical or isn't it?
The definition of doormat is someone who offers little resistance to being mistreated. There has been a lot of mistreatment of Christians in this forum and with no provocation.
Not saying you did this to anyone or to me jordan but I was prejudged in this forum simply by posts making it obvious I was a Christian. It wasn't until later I proved I wasn't a thoughtless dolt that any non Christian person was willing to give me the time of day or consider anything I had to say important.
Ugly, but true.
I see what you are getting at but I think there is something more to this then what you are seeing or perhaps what you are willing to admit.
I have mentioned this before, but seriously think about it, everyone one of the regulars here know that I am not a agnostic/atheist, however, so far I have never received one hateful or negetive post from them.......why?
I have a suspicion but very well could be totally off base, so, why don't we ask them just for academic purposes.
Falconer.....Queen......what gives here?
Why do some believers receive your wrath while others like myself have not?
I think this will be very revealing in perspectives we initiate.
You have been very outspoken WITH qon, and falconer02 about Christians. You have made it clear that your on their boat. I have addressed you one on one about your people, even trying to find out if what your alleging is true, but it wasn't long until you blasted me on another thread. Made a sexual innuendo about me and another Christian woman on this forum, provided me with a "laughing Jackass" Trophy for forgetting to insert 2 words into a post to make my meaning clearer.
This kind of behavior has been going on to us Christians day in and day out. You view us as weak and able to take all you dish out, even though we have done NOTHING to deserve it. Tell me, do we not have the right to defend our belief? You certainly defend yours Walksalone.
The minute one of us decides to take a stand, then we're attacked as not being loving or mild mannered. In my position, I love everyone, you can believe it or not, I forgive everyone, believe it or not, BUT, I will not stand by and see you tromp on my family, when they have done NOTHING!!!
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I have mentioned this before, but seriously think about it, everyone one of the regulars here know that I am not a agnostic/atheist, however, so far I have never received one hateful or negetive post from them.......why?
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief. And you are on their side where Christianity hating is concerned. So they tolerate your beliefs because you don't believe in a God that comes to earth as a man and dies for our sins and is personally involved in His creation's every breath.
That's what I think.
I see quite alot intolerance of Muslims here too coming mostly from.....uhhhh...whose doing that again?.....
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Oh and you also make fun of christians beliefs.
OK...I'll bite.
I'm not a Christian, and I don't make fun of Christians' beliefs...yet I haven't been attacked.
Its not all black and white here.
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief.
Except for Islam, apparently. ::)
Read my above posts. Don't own something that's not yours. I distinctly made the difference between various people on here.
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There is a difference between self righteous anger and righteous anger.
For example, a recent thread I started posting a video where an old lady threw a live cat in a trash can. I have every right to be angry at such actions. Her actions were cruel and there is no justification. If I am angry enough to search her out and send hate mail...that is not okay. The bible says, be angry and sin not.
The reason some Christians are coming out and saying they won't be doormats is because, (I think) there is been too much Christian bashing going on. Threads get started with the sole purpose of saying how horrible and stupid Christians are. Queen started a post about (Logical reasons against God or something like that) a thread meant to bash the Christian God and the delusional people who believe in Him. She also has a thread (shameful Christian behavior) (if I were a Christian I would claim this as proof of God's existence) some older ones that were current when I first signed up...recently we have (Hell an unattended stove) where at the end of the post it says we make God look like a maniac and ourselves look like thoughtless dolts. Or how about (evidence for design...moronic design).
Where are the threads saying Atheists are delusional.....rid the world of atheism before it destroys the nation....this is a one way Christian bashing street and I think people are getting tired of it. Everyone keeps saying, "hey Christians, stop trying to convert people, let people believe what they want and leave them alone" and then they go and start threads about why people shouldn't believe in God. Is this being hypocritical or isn't it?
The definition of doormat is someone who offers little resistance to being mistreated. There has been a lot of mistreatment of Christians in this forum and with no provocation.
Not saying you did this to anyone or to me jordan but I was prejudged in this forum simply by posts making it obvious I was a Christian. It wasn't until later I proved I wasn't a thoughtless dolt that any non Christian person was willing to give me the time of day or consider anything I had to say important.
Ugly, but true.
I see what you are getting at but I think there is something more to this then what you are seeing or perhaps what you are willing to admit.
I have mentioned this before, but seriously think about it, everyone one of the regulars here know that I am not a agnostic/atheist, however, so far I have never received one hateful or negetive post from them.......why?
I have a suspicion but very well could be totally off base, so, why don't we ask them just for academic purposes.
Falconer.....Queen......what gives here?
Why do some believers receive your wrath while others like myself have not?
I think this will be very revealing in perspectives we initiate.
You have been very outspoken WITH qon, and falconer02 about Christians. You have made it clear that your on their boat. I have addressed you one on one about your people, even trying to find out if what your alleging is true, but it wasn't long until you blasted me on another thread. Made a sexual innuendo about me and another Christian woman on this forum, provided me with a "laughing Jackass" Trophy for forgetting to insert 2 words into a post to make my meaning clearer.
This kind of behavior has been going on to us Christians day in and day out. You view us as weak and able to take all you dish out, even though we have done NOTHING to deserve it. Tell me, do we not have the right to defend our belief? You certainly defend yours Walksalone.
The minute one of us decides to take a stand, then we're attacked as not being loving or mild mannered. In my position, I love everyone, you can believe it or not, I forgive everyone, believe it or not, BUT, I will not stand by and see you tromp on my family, when they have done NOTHING!!!
On there boat? lmao give me a break, I don't jump on others boats, but if I did, I get the sense that they are very fun loving and laid back people, I doubt we would be disrupting our party barge by obsessing on anyones Religion.
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Oh and you also make fun of christians beliefs.
OK...I'll bite.
I'm not a Christian, and I don't make fun of Christians' beliefs...yet I haven't been attacked.
Its not all black and white here.
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief.
Except for Islam, apparently. ::)
Read my above posts. Don't own something that's not yours. I distinctly made the difference between various people on here.
Oh, I was replying to Marie. I was just commenting that I haven't been attacked, either, but I'm not anti-Christian. I wasn't owning anything, or at least I thought I wasn't... lol
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I'm sure not picking at jcribb here, just pointing out some things about the points mentioned in the post. I think non-Believers have every right to take offense to things Believers say to them especially if that Believer knows what they stand for and still keep on & on antagonizing them. Non-Believers don't have to follow the Bible, Bible-believers Do...or they're supposed to. It might be offensive when an atheist says they don't believe in God, my best friend (atheist) told me once "I HATE your God", that was extremely offensive & hurtful--- yet I later realized I'm just as offensive to them when I talk about "God-things" after they've made it clear they have NO interest. Non-Believers don't force Believers to read or respond to their posts. Christians are supposed to be strong. Many preachers believe we are living in the end times and it won't be long before Christians that have been saying "I believe, I believe" will have to prove it facing persecution. If a few atheists can get Christians so offended all the time on just a forum, if Christians can't take a few insults...a "joke"...an "offense"...a questioning of their "mental state"....how's those Christians going to fare when having to face REAL persecution? :dontknow:
and vice versa, sheryl
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Isn't there something about 'turning the other cheek'? I realize fully that religion will always be a hot topic, but it seems lately there is an awful lot of self righteous anger coming out of a few christian people on here. I have not totally bashed anyone's beliefs, show me where if you think I have, but I have seen some very salty replies from a certain few on here and it makes no sense to me. (I am not referring to any discourse between myself and one person - let's leave that out of it, I know what I have said to her and it has been based on her own words.) What I am getting at is the steam that seems to be building up as a result of placing someone on a pedestal as if they can say or do no wrong. That just doesn't seem right if you are coming from that place of 'love and light', is it? Recently I have seen the "we are not doormats" quite a few times. That's right, no one is a doormat, christian, atheist, or whatever. But to say things like "don't tell me there is no god, how offensive to say god doesn't exist", etc. - not right.
I think Sheryl said it very well in her post. If I told you right now that I believed Donald Trump was god, pointed out all the things in books he has written and also all things written about him, told you all it was belief in him that was going to save me, what would happen? I'm fairly certain I would get some very fervent backlash on that one! But if I honestly felt that way, in every cell and fiber of my being, than any and all of you could disgree with me and I wouldn't care. Why? Because I would be just as strong as anyone else in what they do or don't believe.
There are more christians than agnostic or atheists who post on here in D&D and the numbers seem to be growing lately with a few new posters. It is almost as if there's a 'force' building here and it is starting to get downright mean. Almost as if a 'believer' can say whatever they want without reprimand from anyone on here because they have 'god on their side'. sherna mentioned the anger and I would tend to agree with that because just about every person alive experiences that feeling at some time. What I am seeing more and more of though is that 'self righteous anger', as I said above, and that doesn't fly, sorry.
but yet you think it's right for them to tell me there is no god. double standards.........
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Amytrivitt,
I owe you an apology because I thought it was you posting in the cooking thread. It was Tanttrica. Sometimes I transpose letters. It's something I've done all my life. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I'll double check next time.
I can't tell you how many times I've transposed something and gotten myself in hot water......again.....I apologize.
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Oh and you also make fun of christians beliefs.
OK...I'll bite.
I'm not a Christian, and I don't make fun of Christians' beliefs...yet I haven't been attacked.
Its not all black and white here.
Christianity and Jesus Christ are more offensive to people than any other religion or belief.
Except for Islam, apparently. ::)
Read my above posts. Don't own something that's not yours. I distinctly made the difference between various people on here.
Oh, I was replying to Marie. I was just commenting that I haven't been attacked, either, but I'm not anti-Christian. I wasn't owning anything, or at least I thought I wasn't... lol
And I was answering your post. Since you posted on the forum for all to see, I was answering that I made a distinct difference between those passive, and those who want to attack Christians.
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There is a difference between self righteous anger and righteous anger.
For example, a recent thread I started posting a video where an old lady threw a live cat in a trash can. I have every right to be angry at such actions. Her actions were cruel and there is no justification. If I am angry enough to search her out and send hate mail...that is not okay. The bible says, be angry and sin not.
The reason some Christians are coming out and saying they won't be doormats is because, (I think) there is been too much Christian bashing going on. Threads get started with the sole purpose of saying how horrible and stupid Christians are. Queen started a post about (Logical reasons against God or something like that) a thread meant to bash the Christian God and the delusional people who believe in Him. She also has a thread (shameful Christian behavior) (if I were a Christian I would claim this as proof of God's existence) some older ones that were current when I first signed up...recently we have (Hell an unattended stove) where at the end of the post it says we make God look like a maniac and ourselves look like thoughtless dolts. Or how about (evidence for design...moronic design).
Where are the threads saying Atheists are delusional.....rid the world of atheism before it destroys the nation....this is a one way Christian bashing street and I think people are getting tired of it. Everyone keeps saying, "hey Christians, stop trying to convert people, let people believe what they want and leave them alone" and then they go and start threads about why people shouldn't believe in God. Is this being hypocritical or isn't it?
The definition of doormat is someone who offers little resistance to being mistreated. There has been a lot of mistreatment of Christians in this forum and with no provocation.
Not saying you did this to anyone or to me jordan but I was prejudged in this forum simply by posts making it obvious I was a Christian. It wasn't until later I proved I wasn't a thoughtless dolt that any non Christian person was willing to give me the time of day or consider anything I had to say important.
Ugly, but true.
Oh, Sherna, you put it so much better than I ever could......little jewel :heart:
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Amytrivitt,
I owe you an apology because I thought it was you posting in the cooking thread. It was Tanttrica. Sometimes I transpose letters. It's something I've done all my life. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I'll double check next time.
I can't tell you how many times I've transposed something and gotten myself in hot water......again.....I apologize.
It's okay, and an apology was really not necessary. We all make mistakes in life. I just found myself getting deeper and deeper in anger with a fellow fc member and her sayings. But it did mean allot that you acknowledged this. Thank you.
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Amytrivitt,
I owe you an apology because I thought it was you posting in the cooking thread. It was Tanttrica. Sometimes I transpose letters. It's something I've done all my life. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I'll double check next time.
I can't tell you how many times I've transposed something and gotten myself in hot water......again.....I apologize.
It's okay, and an apology was really not necessary. We all make mistakes in life. I just found myself getting deeper and deeper in anger with a fellow fc member and her sayings. But it did mean allot that you acknowledged this. Thank you.
Amy, I like your picture.. You have a nice family!
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Isn't there something about 'turning the other cheek'? I realize fully that religion will always be a hot topic, but it seems lately there is an awful lot of self righteous anger coming out of a few christian people on here. I have not totally bashed anyone's beliefs, show me where if you think I have, but I have seen some very salty replies from a certain few on here and it makes no sense to me. (I am not referring to any discourse between myself and one person - let's leave that out of it, I know what I have said to her and it has been based on her own words.) What I am getting at is the steam that seems to be building up as a result of placing someone on a pedestal as if they can say or do no wrong. That just doesn't seem right if you are coming from that place of 'love and light', is it? Recently I have seen the "we are not doormats" quite a few times. That's right, no one is a doormat, christian, atheist, or whatever. But to say things like "don't tell me there is no god, how offensive to say god doesn't exist", etc. - not right.
I think Sheryl said it very well in her post. If I told you right now that I believed Donald Trump was god, pointed out all the things in books he has written and also all things written about him, told you all it was belief in him that was going to save me, what would happen? I'm fairly certain I would get some very fervent backlash on that one! But if I honestly felt that way, in every cell and fiber of my being, than any and all of you could disgree with me and I wouldn't care. Why? Because I would be just as strong as anyone else in what they do or don't believe.
There are more christians than agnostic or atheists who post on here in D&D and the numbers seem to be growing lately with a few new posters. It is almost as if there's a 'force' building here and it is starting to get downright mean. Almost as if a 'believer' can say whatever they want without reprimand from anyone on here because they have 'god on their side'. sherna mentioned the anger and I would tend to agree with that because just about every person alive experiences that feeling at some time. What I am seeing more and more of though is that 'self righteous anger', as I said above, and that doesn't fly, sorry.
No one is mean. You words are meant to put us Christians in a bad light. If there are more Christians on here posting, maybe they are finally getting a chance to post for their side.
Everybody that's been put on the spot, turns to the turn the other cheek adage. There are other scriptures that tell us to also give an answer of the hope that is within us, Be angry and sin not, answer a fool in his folly. Just to name a few.
I'm sorry you don't like what is happening. Your taking words and using them against Christian, just like you've always done. Now you don't like when we finally have enough, and we are finally saying something about the verbal abuse that has been prevalent, every since I've been on here......you don't like it.
You used the words "there's a force building here". Or maybe you liked the "force" that was on here before? I guess you would rather see Christians "bashed", and have them say nothing. That seems to be the consensus.
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Amytrivitt,
I owe you an apology because I thought it was you posting in the cooking thread. It was Tanttrica. Sometimes I transpose letters. It's something I've done all my life. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I'll double check next time.
I can't tell you how many times I've transposed something and gotten myself in hot water......again.....I apologize.
It's okay, and an apology was really not necessary. We all make mistakes in life. I just found myself getting deeper and deeper in anger with a fellow fc member and her sayings. But it did mean allot that you acknowledged this. Thank you.
Amy, I like your picture.. You have a nice family!
Thank you, my oldest daughter just noticed my new pic and got kind of upset so I will be changing it to have my husband and both our girls in the picture. LOL kids are so funny!
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I'm a little put out by the arguments about Christians vs. non Christians.
walksalone: If I ever said anything and I mean ANYTHING that implied that I think I'm better than you, that I hate you or that I think you're an idiot I sincerely apologize from the bottom of my heart. I am NOT better than you, I am a horribly flawed person!
queenofnines: I am VERY sorry that I offended you with my earlier post. I am confused as to why it offended you but I am still sorry. You are a very intelligent person and my heart goes out to you that you suffered through the things you spoke of. I have been remiss in showing you that I care about you as a person regardless of what you think of me or my God. I'm truly sorry.
Falconer: We haven't had much an exchange lately but if I was hateful to you....I'm sorry.
Amytrivitt: I was sarcastic to you, I apologize. I don't know you but when you posted this thread I was already feeling attacked for my beliefs and I took it out on you. I'm very sorry!
For anybody else, Christian or otherwise, I am an imperfect person who wakes up every morning and tries to live the way I think God has asked me to live, I have feelings of doubt about how good of a mother I am...or wife, I look in the mirror and try to see a good person looking back at me...sometimes I don't like what I see, sometimes I'm confidant.
I'm human. Yes I'm Christian but I'm human. Atheists, Wiccans, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, WHATEVER they are still PEOPLE. With red blood and beating hearts. They have feelings, they have a past, they have issues.
I can't speak for any other person here, but to whomever I have hurt with my words I am deeply deeply sorry. :-[
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I think maybe with everything that has and is going on this one should be locked, how do I do that?
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You can delete it..... I have no idea how they lock it.
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You can delete it..... I have no idea how they lock it.
Okay how do I delete the whole thing? And with that people on here will loose all their posts for this month?
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please don't delete it amy
ask admin how to lock it but please don't delete it
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please don't delete it amy
ask admin how to lock it but please don't delete it
Don't worry im not I just messaged one of them. I would hate to see anyone loose their money over deleting a post.
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Well, that and what I posted I meant very sincerely and I want anyone who reads it to know that.
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Okay, what I wrote has been taken completely the wrong way and completely out of context. It is a 2 way street, that's what I am saying. I have read numerous posts about what I wrote and was taken to task in all other than Sheryl's and Sherna's. I wish I had never written it, should have known better, but this is uncalled for, Annella:
"Your taking words and using them against Christian, just like you've always done."
"Just like you've always done"?! I have asked questions, pointed out discrepancies about things that make no sense, made a few jokes when it was the mood at the time in the thread, but am NOT one who uses them against Christians. Find me a post where I went off on you, or anyone else, in a mean and disrespectful way using words against you about your beliefs and christianity and I will eat my computer. Right now I am very upset and very hurt that what I said was turned around and resulted in a blanket statement re my character. You have me lumped in with every anti-christian post made around here and that is just plain wrong. Maybe you ought to check my history before you make a statement like that. Screw it, you have it all figured out anyway.