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Do you support gay marriage??
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I don't care what two adults do as long as they aren't hurting me or anyone else.
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Can't ever hate an individual - even if they do harm to me (although, it would be harder to like 'em). I don't support gay marriage as I don't support anything else deemed sinful. However, doesn't mean I dislike the person. I knew/know homosexuals and get along with them (sometimes) generally. Never really matters what they prefer, personally, and it's never really spoken on.
That subject is always a touchy one. Not too many people want to go with coloring everything right or wrong. We like to make an in-between so we could live a bit better. I would too, honestly. But when I actually started to look for truth and what's actually right verses what makes me feel better, I started to learn a lot of things. The things I learned turned out to be better than what just made me feel better. It's hard to explain. Feeling it is easier. Yeah, there's scripture for everything I'm saying, but personally speaking, experiencing change is more gratifying than just memorizing writings and spreading it because a person just believes it's right.
(Sorry for ranting, as always.)
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no, the bible says its wrong for men to be with men and women to be with women.
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no, the bible says its wrong for men to be with men and women to be with women.
That says it for me as well :thumbsup:
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Personally I don't care what two individuals should do. I don't believe the government should prevent two consenting adults from getting married. I also don't believe the government should force an individual to marry those same two consenting adults. I don't believe the government should be involved in marriage at all.
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Personally I don't care what two individuals should do. I don't believe the government should prevent two consenting adults from getting married. I also don't believe the government should force an individual to marry those same two consenting adults. I don't believe the government should be involved in marriage at all.
I agree. While I do believe that homosexuality is a sin, I don't think it's anyone's business but the people involved. It's between them and God, imo.
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yea i support gay marriage because it shouldnt matter whether a man is with another man and vise verse because if you are in love with the person you should be able to marry who you wanna marry being gay is not a choice god made people that way and almost all my friends are gay and im a gay man myself and i believe everybody should be able to marry who they love man and man woman and woman and man and women we are people to
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I don't agree with it,but it's their business what they do.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
Love your post. You're spot on... it's their own business and if they want to be miserable like rest of us, then so be it!!! Let them!! We all tend to judge people (sticking our nose where it shouldn't be).
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
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Alot of people act stuck up tword Gays And lesbians. I am a lesbian myself and as long as i know im true to myself and i believe and worship my god thats all that matters. Alot people say being gay is a choice but when u really think about it did you wake up one day and so im going to be straight?? no i dont think so it what u perfer and what your comfortable with. so really all the childish ignorant people can go else were and kick rocks who are you to judge noone. and if your not paying my bills keeping a roof over my head and keeping food in my stomach you can kiss my %$# for all i care!
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yea i support gay marriage because it shouldnt matter whether a man is with another man and vise verse because if you are in love with the person you should be able to marry who you wanna marry being gay is not a choice god made people that way and almost all my friends are gay and im a gay man myself and i believe everybody should be able to marry who they love man and man woman and woman and man and women we are people to
Just to clarify a statement in there, about 'god made people that way' etc.etc.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)
The Bible states it an abomination for men and women to be intimate with each other in such a manner. Therefore, God did not make us that way, we choose it - as we choose everything that we do.
Not everyone cares to follow the Word of God. Not everyone believes. It's hard to point a finger and say 'believe me, it's true!'. I didn't believe that way and I doubt anyone else would! However, if a person wants to find truth, I believe they can seek it and we'll land at the same spot, because truth doesn't change. If a person doesn't want to seek truth and just wants to do whatever he/she feels like, well, there ya go.
Either way, we should still respect one another. :)
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
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yea i support gay marriage because it shouldnt matter whether a man is with another man and vise verse because if you are in love with the person you should be able to marry who you wanna marry being gay is not a choice god made people that way and almost all my friends are gay and im a gay man myself and i believe everybody should be able to marry who they love man and man woman and woman and man and women we are people to
Just to clarify a statement in there, about 'god made people that way' etc.etc.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)
The Bible states it an abomination for men and women to be intimate with each other in such a manner. Therefore, God did not make us that way, we choose it - as we choose everything that we do.
Not everyone cares to follow the Word of God. Not everyone believes. It's hard to point a finger and say 'believe me, it's true!'. I didn't believe that way and I doubt anyone else would! However, if a person wants to find truth, I believe they can seek it and we'll land at the same spot, because truth doesn't change. If a person doesn't want to seek truth and just wants to do whatever he/she feels like, well, there ya go.
Either way, we should still respect one another. :)
Bubba believes that he is a gay man because g-d made him that way. I agree with him. Your interpretation of the Bible says one thing; mine says quite another.
If your church does not allow gay marriage, fine. Don't perform them. However, when it comes to the federal government, it is pure blatant discrimination to not allow gay couples to have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. Bottom line. Put whatever label you wish to upon it. I prefer to call it equality and love.
Vienna Teng said it best in her song "City Hall":
Outside they're handing out donuts and pizza pies,
for the folks in pairs
in their folding chairs.
My baby's looking so damn pretty with those anxious eyes,
rain speckled hair,
and my ring to wear
Ten years waiting
for this moment of fate
when we say the words and sign our names.
If they take it away again someday,
this beautiful thing won't change.
Regardless of whether or not you or anyone else approves, including your interpretation of what the Bible says, people are going to love each other on their own terms, as they should. Gay people, as American citizens, deserve the same rights as heterosexual people. Are gay people substandard because they don't love the way a majority deems to be acceptable? They don't deserve the same rights? They were born that way the same a woman was born to be a woman and people of different races/cultures were born into them. Anyone who honestly believes a gay person chooses the life of persecution and constant fear is badly mistaken. The only choice they make is to embrace who they are and enjoy their lives to the fullest.
So, to answer the original question: yes, I am definitely in favor of gay marriage.
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Alot of people act stuck up tword Gays And lesbians. I am a lesbian myself and as long as i know im true to myself and i believe and worship my god thats all that matters. Alot people say being gay is a choice but when u really think about it did you wake up one day and so im going to be straight?? no i dont think so it what u perfer and what your comfortable with. so really all the childish ignorant people can go else were and kick rocks who are you to judge noone. and if your not paying my bills keeping a roof over my head and keeping food in my stomach you can kiss my %$# for all i care!
Rock on! I often ask people when they claim it is a choice for people to be homosexual when they chose to be heterosexual. Its ridiculous and discriminatory. People fall in love with people...the genitalia is just a fringe benefit... ;)
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no, the bible says its wrong for men to be with men and women to be with women.
Not everyone believes in the bible.
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I support LOVE
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God does not "make' gay people. This has been debated in this forum extensively. It's a choice.
Not everyone believes in the bible.
Exactly! Therein lies the difference in opinion.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
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No, I don't. Like sexes in a marriage is not what God created. If you think it doesn't affect anyone else, you are sorely mistaken. We are facing more judgement because of the abominations we are taking as acceptable. Lord have mercy on us.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
Well, I guess if I believed in that man written book I would care, huh?
and you're right, a "disagreement" about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. But the fact that a lot of religious people do it just because of that book, is hard to miss. And I did say that A LOT of people do it, not ALL.
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You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
and it was such a beautiful island too...
Love your post. You're spot on... it's their own business and if they want to be miserable like rest of us, then so be it!!! Let them!! We all tend to judge people (sticking our nose where it shouldn't be).
Thank you. :) Yes, we as a people stick our noses where it shouldn't be all the time. I hate that people who are gay are always ridiculed and bullied, and told that they're gonna burn in hell bc its a sin. Its sickening
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Why not? I think that as long as the couple is happy then no one else should have a say. Not my cup of tea but why ruin someone else's happiness?
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If g-d does not make gay people, where do they come from, then?
I've got it! Straight people make gay people.
http://youtu.be/HwSKkKrUzUk
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If g-d does not make gay people, where do they come from, then?
I've got it! Straight people make gay people.
http://youtu.be/HwSKkKrUzUk
Why are there Christians? Why are there unbelievers? Agnostics? Atheists? Rapists? Child molesters? Generous people, loving people, people that believe the Bible, people who don't? etc?
Because of choice!
Like sexes in a marriage is not what God created. If you think it doesn't affect anyone else, you are sorely mistaken. We are facing more judgement because of the abominations we are taking as acceptable. Lord have mercy on us.
Some of the truest words I've ever read on this forum.
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I don't approve of it but I will not comdem them either because God tells us to love everyone not what they do.
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There are some people that I am quite aware it is not worth my time to spread reason with, because reason eludes them. For the rest, that have the capacity to feel for other human beings and may be living under a misconception, I address you in hopes that you will understand.
People fall in love with people. People are born with the capacity to love other people. People are born into their sexuality. They make choices regarding religion and the actions they carry out. Love, though, is not a choice. Look at your significant other, look at your child and you will know this is true deep down inside. To ask someone to deny what is in their heart when it comes to love is the worst blasphemy, IMO. Ask a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim not to love their g-d and they will tell you it is not possible. Because love is not a choice. It is a way of life.
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i don't care what people who are adults do or who they do it with. so i guess that would be a yes
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There are some people that I am quite aware it is not worth my time to spread reason with, because reason eludes them. For the rest, that have the capacity to feel for other human beings and may be living under a misconception, I address you in hopes that you will understand.
People fall in love with people. People are born with the capacity to love other people. People are born into their sexuality. They make choices regarding religion and the actions they carry out. Love, though, is not a choice. Look at your significant other, look at your child and you will know this is true deep down inside. To ask someone to deny what is in their heart when it comes to love is the worst blasphemy, IMO. Ask a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim not to love their g-d and they will tell you it is not possible. Because love is not a choice. It is a way of life.
Now wait a minute Amy, you just turned this around what we were talking about. So lets look at what you said. You wrote:
If g-d does not make gay people, where do they come from, then?
I've got it! Straight people make gay people.
And I answered that people become what they are, and what they do.....by choice, not because "God" made them or make them do anything. You then came back with different types of love and how we can't help but love our family, children, etc. While I agree about there being a natural love, there are also perversions to "natural love", to where it becomes unnatural and perverted (rape, incest, child molestation, etc.).
A love for God is ALSO a choice. Many people do not love Him, or want Him in their life. Just as they choose to reject his Word and what it says. So love is a choice Amy. God's love lead Him to a cross for all humanity. It's man's choice to accept or reject. Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc., all made a choice to become such as they are.
You and I have disagreed about this from our first post on this forum. No, I will not say anything different than what I have always said. Homosexuality is a sin against God, the Bible calls it a stink in God's nostrils, and an abomination. How can I compromise or gloss over the Truth of the Bible? I can not, and will not. However, you can find those who call themselves Christians who will. There are also so called Christian denominations putting homosexuals in the Ministry. The highest form of blasphemy I can think of is to call evil good, and good evil.....and that is Biblical.
Now.....we can go in the same circle as we did before where you accuse me of not loving people. I can say again that I do love the sinner, but not the sin, etc. Let's not. We both are on different sides of this issue as far as dark is from dawn. It won't change.
Good evening.
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What does your bible say about gay animals? (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04animals-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2) God created them too right?
Various forms of same-sex sexual activity have been recorded in more than 450 different species of animals by now, from flamingos to bison to beetles to guppies to warthogs. A female koala might force another female against a tree and mount her, while throwing back her head and releasing what one scientist described as “exhalated belchlike sounds.” Male Amazon River dolphins have been known to penetrate each other in the blowhole. Within most species, homosexual sex has been documented only sporadically, and there appear to be few cases of individual animals who engage in it exclusively
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with each other. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
I totally agree!! It's not hurting anyone and it solves many of the problems that most of us don't even think about. Things like who is allowed to sign for your treatment in the hospital in an emergency, in a non-married couple heterosexual or homosexual if the couple is not legally bound then the hospital wastes precious time trying to track down a family member to get consent for your care. When the person that probably knows best your wishes and what kind of procedures that you would or would not consent to is standing right there. And I can't help but think about the court case of the woman who was fighting over the right to raise her daughter (fighting against the grandparents who were not a part of the child's life because they did not approve of their daughter's relationship with another woman) That child had TWO parents, yes they were both women, but they were raising a smart, well-adjusted child. As far as I am concerned that woman was still her parent!
** Looked for the specific case but couldn't find it.
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** Looked for the specific case but couldn't find it.
I'm not sure if this is the case you're thinking about, but I remember one. It was made into a Lifetime TV movie, and I remember it actually being pretty good. "What Makes a Family" with Brooke Shields
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251474/usercomments
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I have stayed 100% on topic, and I did it without calling people evil or passing religious judgment on them. Love is not a choice but a lifestyle. In a country where we have religious freedom, gay marriage should be legal. Otherwise, it is discrimination.
I will no longer be trolled. Anyone else have something to say, I will be happy to address it. :wave:
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** Looked for the specific case but couldn't find it.
I'm not sure if this is the case you're thinking about, but I remember one. It was made into a Lifetime TV movie, and I remember it actually being pretty good. "What Makes a Family" with Brooke Shields
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251474/usercomments
Yes that was it! Wish I could find the actual case but the movie summary is good enough I guess. :)
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really dont care what 2 adults do i think they should be able to live their lives just like everyone else.
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I have stayed 100% on topic, and I did it without calling people evil or passing religious judgment on them. Love is not a choice but a lifestyle. In a country where we have religious freedom, gay marriage should be legal. Otherwise, it is discrimination.
I will no longer be trolled. Anyone else have something to say, I will be happy to address it. :wave:
Trolled ??? Amy, I posted twice in this thread before you came on board. I didn't call people evil so stop putting words in my mouth. However, sin that people commit, IS evil.
Like I said before, you and I have not agreed on this from the beginning. We and others have debated this long and hard in other threads. This is not personal, but a difference in beliefs. Both of us believe very strongly about this subject, and we are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in our separate beliefs. That's just how it is.
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I have stayed 100% on topic, and I did it without calling people evil or passing religious judgment on them. Love is not a choice but a lifestyle. In a country where we have religious freedom, gay marriage should be legal. Otherwise, it is discrimination.
I will no longer be trolled. Anyone else have something to say, I will be happy to address it. :wave:
Trolled ??? Amy, I posted twice in this thread before you came on board. I didn't call people evil so stop putting words in my mouth. However, sin that people commit, IS evil.
Like I said before, you and I have not agreed on this from the beginning. We and others have debated this long and hard in other threads. This is not personal, but a difference in beliefs. Both of us believe very strongly about this subject, and we are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in our separate beliefs. That's just how it is.
I am going to hate myself for this tomorrow because I promised myself I would never respond to you again, and through my weakness I am taking the bait.
My posts were not aimed at you. It is very clear my position on gay marriage by anyone who has ever conversed with me in this forum or outside (and you have done both), and I have the freedom to post my opinion in a gay marriage thread as much as you do, Annella. You continuously direct your comments at me, though, when you know how adamant I am about my position. Your words are wasted on me.
Saying repeatedly that we have debated this previously adds nothing to the topic, so why do you feel the need to do this? This has no impact on my steadfast support of gay people and gay marriage. Do you believe that making the weak comment about "the Bible says no" and "gay people are sinners" is really going to do anything other than make you look bad? You are trolling me, Annella, just the way you troll people who disagree with you in other topics.
I would in no way attempt to impede on your freedom to post in this forum as you will. Please stop trying to do so to me.
As for calling gay people evil:
Homosexuality is a sin against God, the Bible calls it a stink in God's nostrils, and an abomination. How can I compromise or gloss over the Truth of the Bible? I can not, and will not. However, you can find those who call themselves Christians who will. There are also so called Christian denominations putting homosexuals in the Ministry. The highest form of blasphemy I can think of is to call evil good, and good evil.....and that is Biblical.
Interpret it as you will. There are as many interpretations of the Bible as there can be on your own statement. Don't say something unless you are willing to stand by it 100%. I, however, see absolutely no love in these words of yours. So many words of yours are absent of love. Not exactly the type of person I would wish to have preach to me.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
I am very disappointed in your attitude towards her. I've seen other posts in your threads between you and her where you shared things with her and she was very interested in your cause and supporting you with things that happened and are happening. Is there a particular reason or are you letting your anger dictate?
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I BELIEVE THAT IT IS UP TO THE GAY PPL THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT ITS THEIR BUSINESS AND KNOW ONE ELSES. AND AND OTHERS NEED TO LEAAVE THEM ALONE. SOME OF MY TRUE FRIENDS ARE GAY.AND I GET TREATED BETTER BY THEM THEN I DO STRAIGHT PPL. :thumbsup:
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I have stayed 100% on topic, and I did it without calling people evil or passing religious judgment on them. Love is not a choice but a lifestyle. In a country where we have religious freedom, gay marriage should be legal. Otherwise, it is discrimination.
I will no longer be trolled. Anyone else have something to say, I will be happy to address it. :wave:
Trolled ??? Amy, I posted twice in this thread before you came on board. I didn't call people evil so stop putting words in my mouth. However, sin that people commit, IS evil.
Like I said before, you and I have not agreed on this from the beginning. We and others have debated this long and hard in other threads. This is not personal, but a difference in beliefs. Both of us believe very strongly about this subject, and we are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in our separate beliefs. That's just how it is.
I am going to hate myself for this tomorrow because I promised myself I would never respond to you again, and through my weakness I am taking the bait.
My posts were not aimed at you. It is very clear my position on gay marriage by anyone who has ever conversed with me in this forum or outside (and you have done both), and I have the freedom to post my opinion in a gay marriage thread as much as you do, Annella. You continuously direct your comments at me, though, when you know how adamant I am about my position. Your words are wasted on me.
Saying repeatedly that we have debated this previously adds nothing to the topic, so why do you feel the need to do this? This has no impact on my steadfast support of gay people and gay marriage. Do you believe that making the weak comment about "the Bible says no" and "gay people are sinners" is really going to do anything other than make you look bad? You are trolling me, Annella, just the way you troll people who disagree with you in other topics.
I would in no way attempt to impede on your freedom to post in this forum as you will. Please stop trying to do so to me.
As for calling gay people evil:
Homosexuality is a sin against God, the Bible calls it a stink in God's nostrils, and an abomination. How can I compromise or gloss over the Truth of the Bible? I can not, and will not. However, you can find those who call themselves Christians who will. There are also so called Christian denominations putting homosexuals in the Ministry. The highest form of blasphemy I can think of is to call evil good, and good evil.....and that is Biblical.
Interpret it as you will. There are as many interpretations of the Bible as there can be on your own statement. I, however, see absolutely no love in these words of yours. So many words of yours are absent of love. Not exactly the type of person I would wish to have preach to me.
What bait? I'm not baiting you....I'm voicing my own belief in a thread that interested me. When I posted in this thread, you were not even in it or posted anything yet. Something is very clearly wrong with your accusation of me trolling you Amy. Anybody can go back in this thread and read it all the way through to see that your accusation is unfounded. What I do see is an axe to grind, and it's not my axe. You are taking this way too personal, so it's time to let this go as it's not about the subject anymore. Why do I say that? Because of your words at the beginning of your post, then you say your posts are not aimed at me.
Don't say something unless you are willing to stand by it 100%.
There is NOTHING I have said that I would not stand by 100% concerning the Word of God. I've never waffled on anything I've said about the sin of homosexuality or anything I've posted in this forum anything Biblically. You've accused me of this before, and my answer to you is the SAME. What have I not stood by 100%?
Amy, both of us have every right to post in this public forum. Post away, and forget about if someone aims a post at you or not. Really.....who cares? Believe me, it's not worth the aggravation. I'm not trying to impede on your freedom to post in this forum. Goodness, it's a silly forum for crying out loud! Sorry FC.
Have a good evening and spend some quality time with your family.....they are the ones that are worth any aggravation.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
I am very disappointed in your attitude towards her. I've seen other posts in your threads between you and her where you shared things with her and she was very interested in your cause and supporting you with things that happened and are happening. Is there a particular reason or are you letting your anger dictate?
It's very simple, Ms. Julie. I am, as you have seen totally immersed in all the negative aspects of the ongoing genocide of The People, and over the course of time have tried to come to some understanding of the whys by studying the various mindsets and morals of the oppressors and she is the very embodiment of damned near every one of the vile, despicable and deranged thought processes that have caused the conditions many of our Relations live in today and the heinous murder of over 10 million of The People. Can you even begin to appreciate what 10 million dead Relatives would look like?
Annella constantly preaches and promotes the very ideas and warped mindset that has justified to those who would be deceived by her the destruction of Cultures around the world and multitudes of entire populations to become extinct. Were she to have her way, what is left of the Indigenous of this continent would cease to exist as well.
If it were not for the intolerant attitude of which she has to the extreme, all of our Nations would be living in peace and on equal footing, not as oppressors and oppressed. And we would not be a mere 1% of the population.
Annella should be the poster child of Christian oppression with the agenda of world domination. I have no word for the contempt I feel for her and her smug holier than thou sewage that she spews.
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calling it marriage no i don't. marriage is for one man and one woman together, not two men or two women. but if they called it a union i really don't care.
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No, I don't. Like sexes in a marriage is not what God created. If you think it doesn't affect anyone else, you are sorely mistaken. We are facing more judgement because of the abominations we are taking as acceptable. Lord have mercy on us.
I totally agree with you.
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I believe if two adults are consensual about it. Then I see no reason why they should get married, regardless of sex.
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I have stayed 100% on topic, and I did it without calling people evil or passing religious judgment on them. Love is not a choice but a lifestyle. In a country where we have religious freedom, gay marriage should be legal. Otherwise, it is discrimination.
I will no longer be trolled. Anyone else have something to say, I will be happy to address it. :wave:
Trolled ??? Amy, I posted twice in this thread before you came on board. I didn't call people evil so stop putting words in my mouth. However, sin that people commit, IS evil.
Like I said before, you and I have not agreed on this from the beginning. We and others have debated this long and hard in other threads. This is not personal, but a difference in beliefs. Both of us believe very strongly about this subject, and we are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum in our separate beliefs. That's just how it is.
I am going to hate myself for this tomorrow because I promised myself I would never respond to you again, and through my weakness I am taking the bait.
My posts were not aimed at you. It is very clear my position on gay marriage by anyone who has ever conversed with me in this forum or outside (and you have done both), and I have the freedom to post my opinion in a gay marriage thread as much as you do, Annella. You continuously direct your comments at me, though, when you know how adamant I am about my position. Your words are wasted on me.
Saying repeatedly that we have debated this previously adds nothing to the topic, so why do you feel the need to do this? This has no impact on my steadfast support of gay people and gay marriage. Do you believe that making the weak comment about "the Bible says no" and "gay people are sinners" is really going to do anything other than make you look bad? You are trolling me, Annella, just the way you troll people who disagree with you in other topics.
I would in no way attempt to impede on your freedom to post in this forum as you will. Please stop trying to do so to me.
As for calling gay people evil:
Homosexuality is a sin against God, the Bible calls it a stink in God's nostrils, and an abomination. How can I compromise or gloss over the Truth of the Bible? I can not, and will not. However, you can find those who call themselves Christians who will. There are also so called Christian denominations putting homosexuals in the Ministry. The highest form of blasphemy I can think of is to call evil good, and good evil.....and that is Biblical.
Interpret it as you will. There are as many interpretations of the Bible as there can be on your own statement. I, however, see absolutely no love in these words of yours. So many words of yours are absent of love. Not exactly the type of person I would wish to have preach to me.
What bait? I'm not baiting you....I'm voicing my own belief in a thread that interested me. When I posted in this thread, you were not even in it or posted anything yet. Something is very clearly wrong with your accusation of me trolling you Amy. Anybody can go back in this thread and read it all the way through to see that your accusation is unfounded. What I do see is an axe to grind, and it's not my axe. You are taking this way too personal, so it's time to let this go as it's not about the subject anymore. Why do I say that? Because of your words at the beginning of your post, then you say your posts are not aimed at me.
Don't say something unless you are willing to stand by it 100%.
There is NOTHING I have said that I would not stand by 100% concerning the Word of God. I've never waffled on anything I've said about the sin of homosexuality or anything I've posted in this forum anything Biblically. You've accused me of this before, and my answer to you is the SAME. What have I not stood by 100%?
Amy, both of us have every right to post in this public forum. Post away, and forget about if someone aims a post at you or not. Really.....who cares? Believe me, it's not worth the aggravation. I'm not trying to impede on your freedom to post in this forum. Goodness, it's a silly forum for crying out loud! Sorry FC.
Have a good evening and spend some quality time with your family.....they are the ones that are worth any aggravation.
Please don't flatter yourself. And please make no further mention of my family. You have made it clear again and again how little you ever knew me, and for you to make even the slightest mention of my family? Really? You are just a piece of gum on the bottom of my shoe, and nothing more.
You're the one making everything personal, as you have done time and again. Besides that fact, gay marriage is a very personal issue for me. Of course I'm going to get offended when you call gay people evil as I clearly pointed out in my previous post. Issues such as gay marriage, women's rights, and religion are very personal issues for me, as they are for anyone. If you don't want anyone to take your posts personally, don't post in those topics. If you do post in those topics, don't whine "you're taking this personally!" when someone does. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Stop play acting like you have compassion and actually display it. Honestly. Your words on this topic alone have no compassion in them, and that should, quite honestly, be included in Reverend 101.
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Why can't gay people get married like the rest of the population? If they want to get married and be miserable like everyone else, then let them. Who cares? I don't think its anyone's business what two consenting adults do with eachother. Are they out murdering people? No. So, how is it hurting other people if they marry?
I think that people should mind their own business when it comes to this. Too many people sticking their nose in other peoples business these days. Oh, its a sin, omg, They're different. Eww they like other men... Screw that and anyone who thinks that way. How dare anyone judge them because of who they love. I'm not saying that anyone specifically here is acting like that, but a lot of people in this world look down their noses at others bc it goes against their precious, man-written book, instead of thinking for themselves.
A disagreement about homosexuality has nothing to do with anyone looking down their nose at anybody. As far as our man-written book as you call it, it's called the Bible. Some of us believe in what is written within it's pages. Homosexuality (according to the Bible) is a defilement of the people and their land. It's the same today. Sinful behavior does corrupt a people, including their land/Nation.
In fact, the judgement that you are accusing believers of exercising, is so clearly evident in your post against those who believe in the Bible and it's teachings.
You are a defilement of my people and our land..........all of Turtle Island.
I am very disappointed in your attitude towards her. I've seen other posts in your threads between you and her where you shared things with her and she was very interested in your cause and supporting you with things that happened and are happening. Is there a particular reason or are you letting your anger dictate?
It's very simple, Ms. Julie. I am, as you have seen totally immersed in all the negative aspects of the ongoing genocide of The People, and over the course of time have tried to come to some understanding of the whys by studying the various mindsets and morals of the oppressors and she is the very embodiment of damned near every one of the vile, despicable and deranged thought processes that have caused the conditions many of our Relations live in today and the heinous murder of over 10 million of The People. Can you even begin to appreciate what 10 million dead Relatives would look like?
Annella constantly preaches and promotes the very ideas and warped mindset that has justified to those who would be deceived by her the destruction of Cultures around the world and multitudes of entire populations to become extinct. Were she to have her way, what is left of the Indigenous of this continent would cease to exist as well.
If it were not for the intolerant attitude of which she has to the extreme, all of our Nations would be living in peace and on equal footing, not as oppressors and oppressed. And we would not be a mere 1% of the population.
Annella should be the poster child of Christian oppression with the agenda of world domination. I have no word for the contempt I feel for her and her smug holier than thou sewage that she spews.
Wow, I must have more power than I could even imagine. Cool!
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Please don't flatter yourself. And please make no further mention of my family. You have made it clear again and again how little you ever knew me, and for you to make even the slightest mention of my family? Really? You are just a piece of gum on the bottom of my shoe, and nothing more.
You're the one making everything personal, as you have done time and again. Besides that fact, gay marriage is a very personal issue for me. Of course I'm going to get offended when you call gay people evil as I clearly pointed out in my previous post. Issues such as gay marriage, women's rights, and religion are very personal issues for me, as they are for anyone. If you don't want anyone to take your posts personally, don't post in those topics. If you do post in those topics, don't whine "you're taking this personally!" when someone does. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Stop play acting like you have compassion and actually display it. Honestly. Your words on this topic alone have no compassion in them, and that should, quite honestly, be included in Reverend 101.
Take care, and I'll see ya around the forum.
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Absolutely. Just because they have different beliefs doesn't mean anything. They are people too, so they should be treated just as everyone else.
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Of course, love really knows no boundaries in my heart...... :wave: :wave: :heart:
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yea I am fine with gay marriage! In know way does it affect me, so why should I care :bootyshake:
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Of course, love really knows no boundaries in my heart...... :wave: :wave: :heart:
exactly.
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yea i support gay marriage because it shouldnt matter whether a man is with another man and vise verse because if you are in love with the person you should be able to marry who you wanna marry being gay is not a choice god made people that way and almost all my friends are gay and im a gay man myself and i believe everybody should be able to marry who they love man and man woman and woman and man and women we are people to
Just to clarify a statement in there, about 'god made people that way' etc.etc.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)
The Bible states it an abomination for men and women to be intimate with each other in such a manner. Therefore, God did not make us that way, we choose it - as we choose everything that we do.
Not everyone cares to follow the Word of God. Not everyone believes. It's hard to point a finger and say 'believe me, it's true!'. I didn't believe that way and I doubt anyone else would! However, if a person wants to find truth, I believe they can seek it and we'll land at the same spot, because truth doesn't change. If a person doesn't want to seek truth and just wants to do whatever he/she feels like, well, there ya go.
Either way, we should still respect one another. :)
Being gay is not a choice because there are people who have known they were LGBT since they were 10 years old. Also, who would choose to be a minority that is constantly discriminated against and, quite frankly, seen as a second class citizen.
The only choice LGBT people have is whether they want to live a lie and conform to society's heteronormative ways, or live as themselves and find happiness.
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I think gays should be able to get married. I have my own religious beliefs but do not feel they should doctrine the way others live.
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I'm probably going to get a lot of haters for this, but no. I don't.
I mean, it IS their lives, but i just think that it is wrong.
But that's just me.
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I support it. :) Totally.
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nope
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yea