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do you think that we should let illigal immigrants into the country for free
im 50% mexican as you pry already no if you look at the pic lol so this is a good topic for me to get views on
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No, they should be shot if they come illegally.
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It depends on who, specifically, you are talking about.
If you are referring to any of the indigenous people of this continent, then absolutely they should be allowed into any part of the continent they wish to go to.
Back in the day there were no Americans, Mexicans, Canadians,South Americans etc, it was all indigenous.
Once the imaginary lines were imagined that in some peoples eyes forms the national borders, many family units were broken up.
What I mean is, often times the border ran right through the middle of villages and people on one side for instance would become known as Mexican, and ones on the other side would eventually one day be allowed to call themselves American(not that I would want to....) even though they were often times immediate family or close relatives atleast.
Now that the border is in place, one must ask permission to go visit Grandmother, or a close cousin etc. and the powers that be may or may not eventually grant permission depending on their whim or how satisfactorily you jump through their prefered hoop of that day.
So, is it acceptable to deny these folks admittance to lands that have been theirs since antiquity, I say no.
I think it is sorta interesting that anyone of the dominant society in this country would have the audacity to call someone else "illegal immigrant".
So.....welcome to Turtle Island....now speak Tsalagi!!!
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No, they should be shot if they come illegally.
Ummmm....may I ask who your ancestors were?
***loading up ol' betsy***
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I agree 100% with walksalone11..... you are right!!!!
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if they aren't criminals they should be welcomed as long as they are law abidding they should have a chance for a better life.
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As much as it would be great to have wide open borders (actually it would be even greater if this were a world without a need for borders), it's impractical and, in this period in time, dangerous. In this age especially, you simply cannot allow people to walk into this country and expect safety to remain as is. It won't work. You can't have unprotected borders when you have murderous drug cartels riding around with absolutely no respect for the law or for other human beings. You can't have unprotected borders when there's a solid risk of terrorism coming to your doorstep.
Do I think people should be welcome here? Certainly. I think there should be an efficient process for immigration and gaining official citizenship, and that we should welcome those who wish to contribute and make a better life for themselves. I have less sympathy for people who desire to come here and have things handed to them.
No, they should be shot if they come illegally.
Ummmm....may I ask who your ancestors were?
***loading up ol' betsy***
I lol'd. "ol betsy" got me good :D
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As much as it would be great to have wide open borders (actually it would be even greater if this were a world without a need for borders), it's impractical and, in this period in time, dangerous. In this age especially, you simply cannot allow people to walk into this country and expect safety to remain as is. It won't work. You can't have unprotected borders when you have murderous drug cartels riding around with absolutely no respect for the law or for other human beings. You can't have unprotected borders when there's a solid risk of terrorism coming to your doorstep.
Do I think people should be welcome here? Certainly. I think there should be an efficient process for immigration and gaining official citizenship, and that we should welcome those who wish to contribute and make a better life for themselves. I have less sympathy for people who desire to come here and have things handed to them.
No, they should be shot if they come illegally.
Ummmm....may I ask who your ancestors were?
***loading up ol' betsy***
I lol'd. "ol betsy" got me good :D
I would never advocate for wide open borders....we learned that lesson the hard way.
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I don't think so. I don't agree with them being shot but they should most definitely be deported ASAP.
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I don't think so. I don't agree with them being shot but they should most definitely be deported ASAP.
Yeah I guess we do need to get around to that, I mean, I understand the whole "NDN time" concept and all but I guess 517 years is procrastinating just a bit, huh?
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Allow me to clarify....
While I do believe that anyone should be allowed access to the US, I believe it should be done in a legal manner. That is to say, the people coming over in trunks or hidden in the back of trucks in order to get jobs, should not be allowed to stay. I'm not even going to get into the whole 'indigenous peoples' arguement, to me, that's a moot point and has nothing to do with the post at hand as I don't believe that's what the poster intended by Illegal immigrants.
As I said, if you're here illegally, stealing jobs from hard working American citizens than yes, you should be deported. I also feel the need to say, that I am of Native American, Scottish, and Irish descent and while all of my ancestors most obviously were immigrants and I do champion people of other countries who want to come here LEGALLY and make a better life for themselves, I am an American and put this country and it's citizens first.
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do you think that we should let illigal immigrants into the country for free
im 50% mexican as you pry already no if you look at the pic lol so this is a good topic for me to get views on
I must say with all due respect that no they should not be. I am fully aware that this country is a melting pot and that is the foundation it was built on. Everything reaches a fill point. We have reached ours.
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I do not think it is fair for immigrants to enter our country illegally, even though I know many people that illegally entered this country. It took a family friend 15 years before he took the necessary steps to become a legal citizen of our country. Due to the amount of illegal immigrants that enter this country each year it is not feasible to expect the government to be able to actually solve the problem, but at the same time I do not feel those who immigrate illegally should be let off the hook. When it is discovered there are illegal immigrants instead of deporting or jailing them, officials should consider helping the people become legal citizens of this country. Obviously there are reasons for why they have chosen to come to this country. Most of the people I know came here to start a better life, so instead of depriving these people of the better lifethis country was founded on, we need to help make these individuals legal citizens.
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People came here with their own American dreams but some of them did come illegal and it was not because they chose to be illegal but they have no other way of coming legally.difficult visa granting stopped a lot of people who wanted to come here legally from entering the country in a legal way. No matter how hard it was they made their way here just like a lot of ancestors of Americans. How come they can not get status as easy as the ancestors?
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No. All should be accounted for and have the same rules apply to them as they are for us when we go to a foriegn country. If they can do that, welcome to America.
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No I don't think so there are taking away jobs .
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Hell MFing no! Enough is enough as they are killing this country like they did their own!
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if they aren't criminals they should be welcomed as long as they are law abidding they should have a chance for a better life.
right on! :thumbsup:
especially refugees of communist countries :-
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I think that people SHOULD come to this country legally. I think that it actually adds to the diversity of the country. I know that you are going to say that they take away our jobs but that really is untrue. Legal immigrants are more willing to do the jobs that no one else wants to do. If they come to the country illegally then yes that is a problem, I just think that people don't have the right to complain about job loss for those that are legal because their STANDARDS for work are too high. If your not willing to take that kind of job that you don't have the right to criticize those that do.
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everyone should be treated the same and fairly... we should all face the same policies and laws.
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There is no way illegal aliens should be allowed across the border for free, if they want in they need to do it legally!
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Illegal is Illegal, there is nothing legal about it. I don't think we could go to another country and disrespect their laws and protest about they are wrong about illegal ways. Healthcare increasing, jobs decreasing, schools going down too many people around. Who did the jobs before illegal immigrants?
Job pay is decreasing because of low pay to the illegals, there are great jobs out there that are being taking away from people willing to work, but the pay is lower than it used to be. Low pay don't have to give out benefits, don't have to worry about job safety, don't have to worry about workers compensation with illegal immigrants.
The other day a Naturalized citizen ( an illegal immigrant that got citizenship) was doing a program for children and getting a Government Grant to provide this program, but just reaping the benefits for herself and not providing for the program.
No illegal immigrants. :peace:
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NO, the gov't should have done some long ago to stop them. The poloticians were only looking after their own asses worrying about the problems they would get if they touch this subject. I sa hurrah for Arizona, if the feds don't do anything at least someone has the *bleep* to do it themselves. I don't have aproblem if they come here legally,but if illegal they shoukld get no help form us. They are draing the system to bankrupcy! If it were the other way, mexico puts illegals in prison, don.t get any benefits or help, so why should we do it.
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I live in Phoenix. I see this crap first hand and the answer is no. :BangHead:
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Noooo! If they want to come and live here, they should do the right thing. Everybody can live here if they want but they MUST do it in the right way again :peace: :peace: :peace:
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I think that there should be a more streamlined approach to getting a legal status in this country (either via a work visa or by granting citizenship), but not where anyone can enter without a legal means to do so. I'd even be in favor of creating a "familial visa" where you automatically are granted a visa if you can show proof that a family member lives in this country (perhaps limiting it to a certain number of degrees of separation so that a 5th cousin 3-times removed isn't considered as a "valid family member") thus alleviating walkalone's concern about natives having the right to visit families that were separated by artificial political lines of division. (I also saw on "How States Got Their Shape" on History Channel that one town is divided by the US / Canadian border, so this type of visa would solve that issue as well).
I also agree that Arizona has the right to uphold federal laws using state resources. If the federal government prevents Arizona from using their state resources to institute national laws, then I guess the Amber Alert system is no longer valid either, except for FBI and other national agents, since that system was designed to allow state and local law enforcements the ability to easily handle the national law of kidnapping.
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There are some very good points in the above replies. I pretty much agree with Stephanie. I certainly don't think they should be shot.
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No. But there are already millions of illegal immigrants in the United States. They've been coming here for years. The government keeps trying to secure the borders, but people will always find a way to get in.
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Illegal - No.
Legal - Yes. Then get a job and stay off welfare.
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:thumbsup:
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Illegals should not be allowed to stay here under any circumstances. They broke the law!
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No, they should be shot if they come illegally.
Ummmm....may I ask who your ancestors were?
***loading up ol' betsy***
I am of Choctaw Indian decent and I agree... So yeah ...
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No. All should be accounted for and have the same rules apply to them as they are for us when we go to a foriegn country. If they can do that, welcome to America.
I agree. :thumbsup:
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No. All should be accounted for and have the same rules apply to them as they are for us when we go to a foriegn country. If they can do that, welcome to America.
I agree. :thumbsup:
+3 ;)
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Allow me to clarify....
While I do believe that anyone should be allowed access to the US, I believe it should be done in a legal manner. That is to say, the people coming over in trunks or hidden in the back of trucks in order to get jobs, should not be allowed to stay. I'm not even going to get into the whole 'indigenous peoples' arguement, to me, that's a moot point and has nothing to do with the post at hand as I don't believe that's what the poster intended by Illegal immigrants.
As I said, if you're here illegally, stealing jobs from hard working American citizens than yes, you should be deported. I also feel the need to say, that I am of Native American, Scottish, and Irish descent and while all of my ancestors most obviously were immigrants and I do champion people of other countries who want to come here LEGALLY and make a better life for themselves, I am an American and put this country and it's citizens first.
Aptly said. :thumbsup:
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100% NO. Hard working americans are having trouble getting by and we're letting illegal immigrants reap the benefits of our tax system. Just adding to the problem.
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100% NO. Hard working americans are having trouble getting by and we're letting illegal immigrants reap the benefits of our tax system. Just adding to the problem.
Absolutely! My husband paid his taxes and he is pissed of all illegals here, they are getting stuff for free. We have a family friend who work in the hospital and she said there are tons of illegals there having their babies born here and they are paying nothing and government giving them money? How is that works? It's crazy and sad! It's not fair at all :sad1:
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if they aren't criminals they should be welcomed as long as they are law abidding they should have a chance for a better life.
lol yea but how would you know if they are criminals or not...some dont even have any paper work
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I don't think so. I don't agree with them being shot but they should most definitely be deported ASAP.
guess what happens when they get deported.....they come right back lol
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if they aren't criminals they should be welcomed as long as they are law abidding they should have a chance for a better life.
lol yea but how would you know if they are criminals or not...some dont even have any paper work
If they are are here illegally that makes them a criminal. I mean really what part of ILLEGAL do some people not understand!?!
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No. Im not from here 2 and came here with papers. It tok me a long time but hey I'm here. If they want to be in the U.S. do it legally.Thats why others who are legit is having a hard time.
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No. Im not from here 2 and came here with papers. It tok me a long time but hey I'm here. If they want to be in the U.S. do it legally.Thats why others who are legit is having a hard time.
I agree with you 100%
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do you think that we should let illigal immigrants into the country for free
im 50% mexican as you pry already no if you look at the pic lol so this is a good topic for me to get views on
Absolutely not.. I am a firm believer that anyone and everyone in this country needs to be here legally. I am so tired of seeing illegals at stores, clubs, etc pulling out wads of cash because they cant open a checking account because they have no SSN. I am tired of seeing illegals working knowing that I have friends and family that can not find any kind of work, yet people that should not be here are working... I am tired of stolen SSN, and food stamps going to people because they cant work, because they have no right to be here..
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Anyone who is not here legally is not here legally and so should be treated as an illegal. No pay no play.
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There's a reason they're called illegal immigrants. If they want the right to come into our country, they should take the right actions to be allowed here.
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There needs to be better tools for employeers to verify that there employees are legal and more pressure for them to comply. It is too easy for companies to pass it off as a simple mistake when they make no effort to verify things anyway. Usually the same companies that do business without proper licsenses or insurance.
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well i think it all depends on what you mean by " Illegal". I know i immigrated to the states from Canada and its a pain in the neck to become "legal" even though i speak english and am working and paying taxes etc! sometimes i think maybe i should have just moved here ILLEGALLY and it would have been so much easier and my husband and i wouldnt have had to fork out close to $3000 to get me to be here. But then again i think if i did move here illegally, and the feds found out (which im sure they would have in a very short time) i wouldnt be with my husband so...
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What do you mean by free? Do you have to pay to get into the states now? Do you have to pay to take the tests to become naturalized? I really don't know the process having been born here. However, I guess if you are illegal, who would you pay the people who sneak you in?
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WE PAID A LOT! IT IS NOT EASY IF YOU ARE DOING IT IN THE RIGHT WAY. MANY ILLEGALS HERE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THE GOVERNMENT TO BE HERE THAT IS WHY THEY SNEAK IN. THEY SHOULD GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND SAVE MONEY AND COME BACK HERE LEGALLY. IT IS NOT FAIR TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE RULES. WE HAVE A FAMILY FRIEND WHO WORK IN THE HOSPITAL AND SAID, MANY ILLEGALS HAVE THEIR BABY BORN HERE AND THE GOVERNMENT IS PAYING FOR IT. WOW LUCKY! HOW ABOUT SOME AMERICANS THAT NEED HELP TOO? I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WENT TO THE PLACE, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT. SOME GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION AND THEY ASKED FOR HELP BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE HOSPITAL BILLS AND GUESS WHAT THEY SAID? OH SORRY BUT YOUR HUSBAND HAVE A JOB. AND THERE IS TONS OF GANG BANGERS, ILLEGALS THAT THEY ARE HELPING. WHAT HELL IS GOING ON? IT'S HARD FOR THE GOVERNMENT NOW TO CATCH THE ILLEGALS BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT ASK FOR I.D'S BECAUSE IT IS DISCRIMINATION. WELL, THEY SHOULD ASK FOR IT. IF THERE'S NO PAPERS THAT SHOWS THEY ARE LEGAL HERE THEN PUT THEM ON THE TRUCK AND THROW THEM AWAY TO THE BORDER!!!! I'M SORRY I'M UPSET. SEEMS LIKE, THEY TOLERATE ILLEGALS, THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP COMING HERE. SAD :crybaby2:
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Im sure many people agree with me, I have no problem with you coming into our country, but please treat it with respect and do the things that you came here to do, don't be commiting felonies and crimes and obey the rules that all american citizens follow. I personally love to see immigrant families who are making their way by working hard and obeying the law.
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Nobody should be allowed to enter our borders without proper documentation, regardless it's free or paid.
I received an email the other day from a friend of mine. It says:
Arizona governor vs. Phoenix Suns owner
The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team, Robert Sarver, opposes AZ's
new immigration laws. Arizona's Governor, Jan Brewer, released the following
statement in response to Sarver's criticism of the new law:
"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were
sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the
gate-crashers are, but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to
ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees
couldn't be ejected. Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to
provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if,
on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to
provide free medical care and shelter?"
http://www.examiner.com/family-in-phoenix/governor-brewer-vs-phoenix-suns
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Nobody should be allowed to enter our borders without proper documentation, regardless it's free or paid.
I received an email the other day from a friend of mine. It says:
Arizona governor vs. Phoenix Suns owner
The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team, Robert Sarver, opposes AZ's
new immigration laws. Arizona's Governor, Jan Brewer, released the following
statement in response to Sarver's criticism of the new law:
"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were
sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the
gate-crashers are, but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to
ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees
couldn't be ejected. Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to
provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if,
on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to
provide free medical care and shelter?"
http://www.examiner.com/family-in-phoenix/governor-brewer-vs-phoenix-suns
Thanks for sharing that ! I love that lady! ♥
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Illegal...against the law pretty much defines the answer for any moral/ethical person. I am okay with following the proper protocal which all of our citizens have done.
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if they aren't criminals they should be welcomed as long as they are law abidding they should have a chance for a better life.
I completely agree. Everyone who wants it, should have a chance to get a better life.
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No. I think anyone who comes here illegally into this country should be thrown out.
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most immigrants are good people but we have to find criminal elemnt and send them back or arrest them.
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No I do not think illigal immigrants should beable to come into this country for free. For the fact that for a legal immigrant to come into this country they must pass a test and they must pay the fees. But that is a little fee for the freedom they will get
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most immigrants are good people but we have to find criminal elemnt and send them back or arrest them.
Immigrants are not the issue ILLEGALS are the issue.
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They shouldnt be outright allowed to just come to the country for free. There should be something done to keep them from crossing over. However, once they are here, theyre kinda necessary for our economy. Cheap labor helps us, and it helps them since they earn money. mutual relationship. but im sure its more complicated than that...
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Earlier someone posted about seeing them with wads of money because they can't get a bank account because of not being able to obtain an SSI number, etc. So who's actually at fault here? Is it the illegals, or the ones that make it comfortable for them to stay.....and keep breaking the law.
Who is hiring them at the back door illegally? Who is paying them illegally? When we pass some hefty fines (and I mean hefty) to business owners who let illegals work, and get paid under the table, then we might see some changes. Any business owner or corporation caught hiring illegals should be slapped with danger of losing their business......that would do it. They can't stay here if they have no way to make a living illegally. However, they are finding work, getting paid under the table without paying taxes, getting free medical care, etc. They aren't the only ones that are illegal in this scenario.
And.....hang on to your hat. Obama has said more than once that SSI benefits should be made available for some illegals. We are not just talking south of the border, but all different nationalities that are here illegally. Think about it.
I'm all for people wanting a better life for themselves and their families, and doing what is necessary to bring it about......LEGALLY. America is the land of opportunity, but mostly viewed as the land with a handout.
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The answer to that is a big fat NO! If the law says you have to pay to become a citizen of this country then you have to pay.
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NO. Our country strives on freedom for all, but if we allow anybody to come into the country freely as they wish to come and go, then it doesn't really pay to have borders for any country right? Just call the World "The World", One government, no borders.
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Absolutly not. This has never been a free country but a country that bought it's freedom at a very high price and is continuing to pay the price. If you wish to imigrate to this country pay the going rate for the freight.
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No the mexicans are stealing our jobs and we have bad economy. we should let the chinese in they are smart and can do more work.
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do you think that we should let illigal immigrants into the country for free
im 50% mexican as you pry already no if you look at the pic lol so this is a good topic for me to get views on
The way I see it we're all immigrants. The USA belonged to the Native Americans until the English came and conquered it. After all God said multiply and subdue the Earth. He didn't say what part was supposed to be ours. Land is just dirt and when we die we return to the dirt so why does it matter in what country we choose to live our lives. We should all have the freedom to live wherever we want. After all isn't America supposed to be the land of opportunity. Why can't we give someone an opportunity to live here and if they mess up then send them back to where they came from? It's only fair.
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do you think that we should let illigal immigrants into the country for free
im 50% mexican as you pry already no if you look at the pic lol so this is a good topic for me to get views on
The way I see it we're all immigrants. The USA belonged to the Native Americans until the English came and conquered it. After all God said multiply and subdue the Earth. He didn't say what part was supposed to be ours. Land is just dirt and when we die we return to the dirt so why does it matter in what country we choose to live our lives. We should all have the freedom to live wherever we want. After all isn't America supposed to be the land of opportunity. Why can't we give someone an opportunity to live here and if they mess up then send them back to where they came from? It's only fair.
No.
First off YOU may be an immigrant however I am certainly not. And as for your dream world of fairytales save that for when you are dreaming. The rest of us live in the real world where there are laws being broken.
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I think all immigrants have a right to come to this country. But I also strongly believe that when they do come into this country they need to start learning to read and write our language. English is the primary language spoken in America. If they want to speak their home language in their own homes that is their business but I should not have to learn to speak another language to accommodate them. I should not have to know how to speak Spanish to get a job in America. I should not have to press one for English. And I should not be considered "other" on a survey asking what my race is when the only other option given is Hispanic. And if they want to come to America so bad then please show some respect for the American flag which is the symbol of the country they are wanting to be a part of.
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8) I posted a topic months ago about the immigrants coming up from the south of the border.. I am still strongly against illegal immigrants coming to this country period!! :angry7: Our jobs are very hard to hold on to, or to even get a job.. Unemployment is still high and the crime rate is getting out of hand as well. I left California because of this :bs: Yes, there are other opinions about this but, if your one of those people that think it`s ok then more power to you. :BangHead: I still think it is unfare..
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No. All should be accounted for and have the same rules apply to them as they are for us when we go to a foriegn country. If they can do that, welcome to America.
ya ik right and the goverment just give them free money and they get stuff that we cant even afford working a job its stupid
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NO way jose! LOL. Nothing is free here.
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Why immigrating in different country is a big deal to many? For me, no matter where you are it still in same earth. So, better treat other how you want to be treated. :peace:
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Why immigrating in different country is a big deal to many? For me, no matter where you are it still in same earth. So, better treat other how you want to be treated. :peace:
So you think people should be able to do what ever they want when ever they want ?
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Illegal pretty much sums up any discussion. There are plenty of legal ways in which to attain entrance into the United States. Being legal allows our country to grow by not taking care of expenses created by those who have not contributed to our assets. Illegal covers so many different definitions and if someone is not allowed into our country by going through the proper channels they are probably a security risk for all of our citizens.
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they come and hide. but they pay so that people help them come illagel, so it is not free.
haha.
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no but if they get here illegally, and they get citizen ship that's pretty impressive
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No they should be taken back to their countries and then they can apply as legal immigrants there...They should follow the process. Taxes is becoming high and it cuts half of your paycheck.
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No, they should not I think they should have to pay or have the right paper before comeing into our country.
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No they should not, the word illegal is illegal, there is nothing free about that. :peace:
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everybody is saying no but the real question is that they are coming free here because the government is letting them come here anyway.
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Yes they should.
Illegal immigrants that work here still have to pay taxes when buying food, appliances, and everything else you need to live.
The rent they pay are taxed and they do not get any government benefits in return.
Illegal immigrants are a plus to our economy while we give them nothing back in return.
Without these immigrants America would have even more debt.
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That is an interesting question. If you know the history of our country, we should be able to have some very good dialogue on that subject. It has been written in history that our forefathers were all immigrants except for the Native Americans. There is no progress without struggle and freedom comes with a price. It is my perspective that anyone that comes to America, ethically or unethically, should be willing to follow the protocol in becoming a citizen. We have the most desirable country for anyone who is willing to fulfill the purpose of playing a viable role as a consumer. Hence, we must allow anyone the right to this freedom road called America and we must have in placed fair practices and mandates for those immigrants who happened to be Mexicans. If they are willing to work hard, it is my perspective that most Mexicans have good work ethics, complete whatever guidelines they must follow. Let them have a chance to struggle their way to freedom for freedom is not free.
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i dont believe that illegals should come to our country for free, its not right.
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That is an interesting question. If you know the history of our country, we should be able to have some very good dialogue on that subject. It has been written in history that our forefathers were all immigrants except for the Native Americans. There is no progress without struggle and freedom comes with a price. It is my perspective that anyone that comes to America, ethically or unethically, should be willing to follow the protocol in becoming a citizen. We have the most desirable country for anyone who is willing to fulfill the purpose of playing a viable role as a consumer. Hence, we must allow anyone the right to this freedom road called America and we must have in placed fair practices and mandates for those immigrants who happened to be Mexicans. If they are willing to work hard, it is my perspective that most Mexicans have good work ethics, complete whatever guidelines they must follow. Let them have a chance to struggle their way to freedom for freedom is not free.
only if they have the right paperwork... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wave:
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Nothing is free in this world. If they are "illegal", then doesn't that answer the question? I don't have a problem with people coming to our country for a chance at a better life but what I don't like is the fact that americans have to bend over backwards and change america's way for them. For example, if I were to move to Spain, I would be expected and need to learn spanish. If someone moves to america they need to learn to speak english and got hrough the steps to become a "legal" american citizen. I just wanted to comment on the new law in Arizona. I don't know why so many people are getting their panties in an uproar because the police are required to ask to see "papers" when they pull someone over. Don't they already do this? Everybody gets asked to see your papers... proof of insurance, drivers license and proof of registration. I don't think we should close our doors for people to come to our country to make a better life for themselves and/or their family. I just feel that they should be required to follow the law and become citizens or they need to leave and go back to their country. If I went to Ireland, after three months I would be required to apply for citizenship or leave their country. I agree with this and feel that America should go back to enforcing citizenship laws.
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imo, as long as they come to the country, legally, become u.s citizens, and pay their taxes, I have no problems with that. On the other hand, since immigrants depend on a program such as welfare and abusing it, it cost us taxpayers more money. My 2 cents anyway.
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If they are illegal they should not be allowed into this country for free. I realize that some may have it hard in Mexico, but if we continue to allow illegals in free; how will that affect the citizens and legals? As we speak I am unemployed, if I could speak Spanish my chances of employment would rise. I realize there is a need to be able to communicate etc, but somehow it does not seem fair to overlook a citizen of their own country because so many illegals have been allowed in.
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In all honestly, I personally don't think they should come here at all. I know I sound heartless and rude, but you asked...
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I dont think illegals should come here, they seem to get more priviliges than us americans
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Only if they pay taxes like everyone else. Everyone has to pay, no one is free.
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If anyone comes into this country it should be legally. Coming here without the papers is a crime. But we have so many here that are not legal and I think it is a same that they have jobs when so many of the Americans don't. The factorys hire them because of cheap labor. The Americans have fought for this country and made it what it is today. You don't see the illigal immigrants dying on the battle field for this country. But they are allowed to work here and that is a shame. My father, brother and 2 grandsons have been in the service and one grandson is about to go back to Iraq for the third time. I don't see how this is fair to our own service men.
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Illegal immigrants should be deported.
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When I was younger I would say no.
But truly, with the exception of Native Americans, we are all immigrants.
And many immigrants come here due to persecution or poverty. They just want a decent life.
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However I do believe they (immigrants) should be expected to learn English within a set amount of time.
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I have no problem with them coming here and don't think it needs to be for free either. I think the monies they pay for the testing, etc should be put back into paying for the education, healthcare, etc of immigrants instead of relying on monies that were set aside lawful people living here already. I also feel they should learn English because in the end it's just smarter to learn English. In every country in the world kids are taught English because that's what is used mainly while doing business.
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NO!
Illegals are used by businesses!! They are here illegally so they are afraid to report problems with landlords, employers or anyone else that can become rich on their backs. Here are just a few of the things that can and do happen to people who cross our border illegally.
1. from the south the coyote charges a large amount to "help them" and can blackmail them for years after they get here
2. employers can pay them less that minimum wage, work them with no overtime breaks and give them no benefits. If they are lucky they do get paid.
3. Landlords can charge what they want, make not repairs, allow overcrowding and substandard housing
4. Coyotes promise women that their children will be americans but to protect their children they are forced into prositution.
5. The drug cartels threaten illegals here with the lives of families left behind unless the illegal helps the cartel by selling drugs.
6. Just because illegals come thru the southern border does not mean their country of origin is south of us. Illegals that have been stopped on our southern border come from over 30 countries.
We have a terrorisim problem and if you don't think they are crossing our southern border think again.
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If there's an issue of asylum or etc present, then yes. if not, follow the proper channels
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Absolutely not. If Obama was trying to ruin are country he couldn't be doing a better job.
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I believe that illegal immigrants should be allowed to come to our country with the understanding that there will be some tests, and other conditions that are fair to the recipients. If we know our history, this country was already settled in various parts before Columbus and his boys stumbled into this country. So we all are illegal immigrants either by omission or commission.
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they should have the same rules as us :bootyshake:
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People are under the illusion that deporting illegals and shutting down borders makes us safer. Do you really think that someone has to come to this country to hurt us? Do you really think that there are not already people, some american citizens, who could cause damage if they wanted to? The war on terrorism is a farce and nothing more than those in power (corporations) gleaming profits from war spending.
As far as illegal immigrants taking american jobs...gimme a break. Our jobs are going overseas and so are some of our educated people. The jobs left in America are Walmart greeters and waitresses.
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no. i think there should be some kind of process... oh wait there is. i understand its really bad in mexico, but its getting bad here too. i was poor, in a tent and pregnant, ech day i went to the food bank, dshs, or the multi service center it was full of mexicans who couldnt speak english. people get turned down for the help they need because it seems like mexicans and russians and koreans over took the public service system and its not fair to honest working people who fall on hard times. luckily i got myself out of my situation, but i just think they need to be regulated better. i understand that native americans were taken over by the white man, the "all powerful*" white man, who is not the minority. it just pisses me off.
*im not serious
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no