dosen't the story of jesus sound like hercules??

[502mania]

queenofnines, if there isn't a god, then explain the creation of the universe. even the laws of physics tells you there must be an action for a raction. so what was the action that made the universe

[shernajwine]

Mitrhas
This investigation of Mithraism will mainly focus on the critics assertion that Christianity borrowed the resurrection myth from Mithra. The reason that we will be zooming in on the resurrection and not similarities in sacraments is because the very heart of the Gospel rests in the resurrection narrative. If the resurrection was borrowed from pagan influences and did not historically happen, then as Paul says: "...if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain" (1 Corn. 15:14).
This subject basically comes down to who is more informed in Mithriac origins, and my intentions are to equip you with adequate critical information. What some critics seem to be unaware of is that attempts to reconstruct the beliefs and practices of Mithraism face enormous challenges because of the lack of information that has survived. In fact, we posses no existing texts of their belief system that come from the Mithraic devotees themselves (one is left wondering what sources Chishti knows about that the rest of Mithraic scholars are unaware of). The only references that we have concerning the beliefs of Mithraism are found in early Church fathers (for the reason of defending Christ’s uniqueness) and Platonic philosophers who used Mithraic symbolism for their own philosophical ideas.

To read the rest of the article click here.
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Mithras.html

Also for an more in depth comparison of the Egyptian deites Horus and Osiris click here.
http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

[shernajwine]

10 Reasons Jesus is Awesome

1. Jesus saved all of mankind from creation to his second coming.
2. Jesus made blind people see, lame people walk, dead people live, and he fed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes.
3. Jesus died for your sins.
4. Jesus died, was ressurrected 3 days later, visited his disciples and foretold that some of them would witness his transfiguration.
5. Jesus, God, will heal amputees and everybody else who wants to be healed spiritually, to receive perfect spiritual bodies in heaven.
6. Jesus claimed, if you pray with faith, you will overcome many things.
7. Jesus left The Comforter to give us power to overcome sin
8. Jesus showed mercy to those who were bound in sin.
9. Jesus told a parable in Luke 19 accentuating a second coming.
10. If you fell out of your window and cried for help, Superman isn't real and couldn't save you. If you cried out to Jesus even with your last breath, he would take you with him to paradise. 

[jcribb16]

10 Reasons Jesus is Awesome

1. Jesus saved all of mankind from creation to his second coming.
2. Jesus made blind people see, lame people walk, dead people live, and he fed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes.
3. Jesus died for your sins.
4. Jesus died, was ressurrected 3 days later, visited his disciples and foretold that some of them would witness his transfiguration.
5. Jesus, God, will heal amputees and everybody else who wants to be healed spiritually, to receive perfect spiritual bodies in heaven.
6. Jesus claimed, if you pray with faith, you will overcome many things.
7. Jesus left The Comforter to give us power to overcome sin
8. Jesus showed mercy to those who were bound in sin.
9. Jesus told a parable in Luke 19 accentuating a second coming.
10. If you fell out of your window and cried for help, Superman isn't real and couldn't save you. If you cried out to Jesus even with your last breath, he would take you with him to paradise. 

   Sherna I am glad you also added this in here.

[shernajwine]

Sherna I am glad you also added this in here.

  Gotta keep it real for the truth seekers 

[Falconer02]

Claiming that the supernatural is the impossible is materialistic philosophy not fact.

Natural proofs require evidence. Supernatural/extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. We can agree to that, yes? I have failed to see anything in my life beyond the stretch of emotional claims of this one god among many others. And (no insult directed at you personally-- i understand this word can be taken harshly and I direct it at the masses) to claim the supernatural without the extraordinary evidence balances on a delusion.

not everything without explanation is impossible

Well obviously! But the claims of the Christian god and his doings are so filled-out and yet there is no viable proof free of even the most basic skepticism.

10 Reasons Jesus is Awesome

Wellllll since this has turned into a trend, I only post this as a joke! Not sure if you saw it yet--
http://churchofprime.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/vschart.jpg

[shernajwine]

Supernatural/extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence

Your statement is based on a philosophy of materialism/naturalism. The fact is that there IS evidence for Intelligent Design (and I stated on another thread) Intelligent Design is falsifiable. Intelligent Design doesn't necessarily equate to creationism, however....when the reality of the supernatural is accepted, it becomes irrational to debate the resurrection of Christ and the claims of the bible. Therefore the Christian God gets top billing for the position of Designer. That's exactly the reason that materialists refuse to budge in their position and you have swallowed their philosophy hook line and sinker.

Still it's philosophy, not fact.

Wellllll since this has turned into a trend, I only post this as a joke! Not sure if you saw it yet-

No, I had not seen it but thanks for sharing lol. 

[Falconer02]

when the reality of the supernatural is accepted, it becomes irrational to debate the resurrection of Christ and the claims of the bible

This is completely delusional though. ID is pseudoscience because the claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life are not testable by the methods of science. Call it a materialist philosophy, but your position equates to nothing more than "Accept the supernatural. God did it. You can't prove it because there just isn't viable proof pointing to my personal god yet." For a god to be so well defined and that you wish to allow us to 'wait indefinately for your supernatural proof because it's not impossible', has absolutely no logical stance in an argument.

Edit:

Still it's philosophy, not fact.

Can we agree that a fact is an isolated piece of information about nature? A measurement? Data? Then wouldn't they be facts?

[shernajwine]

when the reality of the supernatural is accepted, it becomes irrational to debate the resurrection of Christ and the claims of the bible

This is completely delusional though. ID is pseudoscience because the claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life are not testable by the methods of science. Call it a materialist philosophy, but your position equates to nothing more than "Accept the supernatural. God did it. You can't prove it because there just isn't viable proof pointing to my personal god yet." For a god to be so well defined and that you wish to allow us to 'wait indefinately for your supernatural proof because it's not impossible', has absolutely no logical stance in an argument.

Edit:

Still it's philosophy, not fact.

Can we agree that a fact is an isolated piece of information about nature? A measurement? Data? Then wouldn't they be facts?

Materialists can't prove that evolution creates information. My quote from the other thread ...

The design position is falsifiable, since advocates of naturalism could discover a natural process capable of creating the necessary information if such a process exists. If Neo-Darwinism were true as a general theory of biological creation, it would falsify the claim that some additional information-creating mechanism is necessary. The "design is religion, not science" position is not falsifiable because it decides the disputed question by the manipulation of words rather than by empirical investigation. Hence, by the standard of falsifiability the intelligent design hypothesis is scientific, and the refusal to consider it on its merits is unscientific.

The fact is that there is evidence to suggest that there is design in the laws and composition of the universe, and possibly in the biochemical pathways and molecular machines of living beings. Naturalistic materialism2 says that this evidence is really just "appearance of design," and not real design. Accordingly, the appearance of design is just a natural function of the human brain in looking for patterns. According to naturalistic materialism, this appearance of design will disappear as more evidence is revealed. In essence, all design arguments are of the "God of the gaps" variety. However, in several areas of research (e.g., design of the universe, origin of life, and genetics), the "gaps" are increasing as more evidence is uncovered.3 This fact suggests that the "gaps" are not really gaps, but actual evidence of design, since God of the gaps implies that the evidence should decrease the number of gaps as more evidence accumulates.
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/intelligent_design_religion_science.html

[queenofnines]

queenofnines, if there isn't a god, then explain the creation of the universe. even the laws of physics tells you there must be an action for a raction. so what was the action that made the universe

I don't know why you believers always end with this.  How am I to explain to you what caused the Big Bang when scientists themselves aren't sure (but they're working on it)?  Y'all sure put me on a high and lofty status for answering these unknowable questions...  All I can give you is the peace that we DO have a good deal of our 14.5 billion year history figured out, and we DO know every single thing that came after the Big Bang had a natural cause.

It's grasping at straws to point out in taunts: "Well Team Reality doesn't know what caused X yet, aha!  God did it!"  Like that answers anything, people...where is your scientifically-sound evidence that "god did it"?  Spoiler: there is none.

Note to Sherna: there are many, many more gods that Jesus copied besides just Mithras.  Research it sometime...and don't just rely on biased sources (before you say I did with my quote, I was being lazy.  The facts on Jesus being a copy-cat exist outside of sites dubbed atheist...like in our history books ).

[502mania]

technically the scientific theory and the god and creation theory are both THEORIES neither can be proven or explained. so they both pose an argument and actually creation makes more sense than science which cancels itself out in is own theory

[queenofnines]

1. Jesus saved all of mankind from creation to his second coming.

But only if you believe in him amidst contradictory accounts and a lack of reliable historical evidence.  Otherwise you'll scream and burn and cry and moan and feel pain and be tortured, forever and ever!

2. Jesus made blind people see, lame people walk, dead people live, and he fed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes.

Funny how he doesn't do that anymore...it's almost like all of these events are fabricated mythology.

3. Jesus died for your sins.

I didn't ask him to.  Plus, being dead for a mere 3 days doesn't really count as dying OR a sacrifice, now does it?  It would have been a sacrifice if Jesus was left to burn in hell forever, equal to what billions of others will have to go through.

4. Jesus died, was ressurrected 3 days later, visited his disciples and foretold that some of them would witness his transfiguration.

And there is no solid proof for this whatsoever.  Such a shame to waste one's only life being hung up on the myths of our superstitious, 2000-year-old ancestors!

5. Jesus, God, will heal amputees and everybody else who wants to be healed spiritually, to receive perfect spiritual bodies in heaven.

Um yeah, if I ever lost a limb, I'd want to be healed PHYSICALLY, thanks.  What a cop-out for god; your glossing over the fact that god CAN'T heal amputees!  But he can do it for some fish, WTF?!

6. Jesus claimed, if you pray with faith, you will overcome many things.

Quote from my awesome hubby: "You can have faith the size of a mountain, but you won't be able to move a mustard seed."

7. Jesus left The Comforter to give us power to overcome sin

Jesus has a Snuggie?

10. If you fell out of your window and cried for help, Superman isn't real and couldn't save you. If you cried out to Jesus even with your last breath, he would take you with him to paradise.  

Fact: gravity will take you to the sidewalk.  SPLAT!  Wishful thinking with zero tangible evidence: you go to happyland after you go splat.  Nevermind the fact that your whole physical body will be dead, and you kind of need that to perceive/experience ANYTHING.

[queenofnines]

technically the scientific theory and the god and creation theory are both THEORIES neither can be proven or explained. so they both pose an argument and actually creation makes more sense than science which cancels itself out in is own theory

You sound like you don't know what the word theory means (in science).  And god DOESN'T make more sense when we observe common DNA, evolutionary changes among species, traces of our origins within our bodies, and all of the logical problems.

[502mania]

I definately agree queenofnines, you are right, but religion isn't meant to be what people make it. sad how it turned out. christianity without a doubt needs maybe look at some of this. but god is lik santa claus in christianity : making a list and checking it twice.  

[502mania]

that last post was to when you said the jesus stuff. but im saying, everything came from something, the big bang theory has so many holes as do religions, niether can be proved by science, and right now there is no proof of either.