Do you believe in the afterlife?

[queenofnines]

So I guess, if I'm in a foreign country, I can be just as obnoxious as I want to be, because I'll be going home in a few days anyway, and won't ever see those particular people again.  Or I'm on a road trip, and stop in a restaurant.  Might as well treat the wait person like they are beneath me because after all, they are servants right?  I won't be seeing them after I leave anyway.  Might as well leave them with the impression that their idiots for even being in the customer service industry. 

Any chance you can get to twist my words and "make me look bad", huh?

This is a faulty comparison because my being blunt in response to something illogical someone says is NOT on the same scale as being rude in a foreign country.  It doesn't even make sense because said newbies are Americans, too, and thus familiar with our ridiculous Christian culture and its tenets.

As a sidenote, it's quite funny who you chose to use that particular comparison against someone like me.  Don't you remember that I've been to 18 (soon to be 19) countries and counting?  lol

[jordandog]

from Annella:

We are in Christ's stead.  We will reign and rule with Christ someday. Especially those in the Ministry are anointed to stand in Christ's stead.

Well howdy-doody and pass the plate! That puts YOU in the same league as Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, Ayatollah R. Khomeini, and countless others all of whom were/are 'ministers' of their faith. Now, if I were NOT on ignore , I know you would tell me that is incorrect because you are different, you are of a 'true faith' ie christian. Like Walks pointed out, there is one Creator - name varies depending on your belief system, but the way I see it, all 'ministers of faith' worship and serve the same being so you are NO better than any other. You'll be 'standing' alongside millions of online degreed 'ministers' too.

Feelings of self importance and specialness, anyone?

As a sidenote, it's quite funny who you chose to use that particular comparison against someone like me.  Don't you remember that I've been to 18 (soon to be 19) countries and counting?  lol

Ah, BUT QON you and your hubby paid for your vacations to other countries. Who paid for your's, Annella? Ah yes, your worshipful and blind 'flock of followers'.

[marieelissa]

I am looking forward to see what, if anything happens. I can personalize my after life but who knows if I will get it. Anyone ever wonder how if people can't get along on earth then how in the world will they get along in heaven?

Also, what about my scars? Do they magically disappear?

I find all this stuff very silly, you know?

[jordandog]

Jordandog---  You said: "That puts YOU in the same league as Fred Phelps, Jim Jones, Ayatollah R. Khomeini, and countless others all of whom were/are 'ministers' of their faith" and it was then I realized you pointed out something that I had missed.

Annella:We will reign and rule with Christ someday.[/b] Especially those in the Ministry are anointed to stand in Christ's stead

  "Especially those in the ministry"... What??         According to the Bible verse "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.  (Matthew 18:1-3)  That DOESN'T say "especially those in the ministry" (another scriptural inaccuracy).  You are so right, that phrase DOES sound like a "cult" belief.  So I started searching and I found a link that was interesting.  It pertains to "oneness pentecostalism".  The preface: "I need to say right up front that I am not saying that all Pentecostalism is cultic.  However, I am convinced that this particular strain of Pentecostalism is a cult". (Scroll down to *Spiritual elitism--- sound familiar?      ) (http://www.gospeloutreach.net/opgospel.html#spir )    The Biblical definition of a cult: A cult according to the Word of God is any group of people that worship anything or anyone other than Jesus Christ, and believe anything contrary to His Word as found in the Bible.  It's a FALSE RELIGION.   If one believes someone could pick up a evil spirit or two (like I do) ...it could most definitely be while someone was in a cult, or false religion.  J-dog, I think you found the missing piece to the puzzle.  I don't think I need to say it, but Christians on here please pray for Annella.

Sheryl, This is copied/pasted from a post I wrote to Annella back in January in the thread "I don't believe in the devil or hell". You tell ME if you see any similarities to what YOU wrote above:

Annella,
Why you bother encouraging other christians on here, when you are part of a belief system that considers itself above the rest and you interpret (and change) scripture to fit the way you want things to be, amazes me. The examples of the Trinity deal come to mind because all you did was post a load of words that you believe countered what the experts at CARM (not me) wrote - amazing. You add to the gospel when it fits your agenda. I think that is horrendously screwed up, a total mindgame, and especially on kids who grow up in the religion. I have 2 very close friends I grew up with who left the UPC, Oneness Pentacostalists, as soon as they were old enough and never looked back. They still carry scars from the mindgames to this day, but have NEVER walked away from god or religion, just from this one. I understand that many Oneness followers also believe you are the only ones who will get into heaven anyway, so maybe that is why I have felt you come across as superior when these discussions get into how everyone views scripture. This has been in the back of my mind since I first saw you declare what your religion actually was. Your religion has been accused of interpreting to fit the O.P. doctrines and theology, even when it is vastly different than other Protestant interpretations. O.P.'s have been charged with spiritual legalism by members of other faiths and have even been referred to as a 'cultlike' group because you are so strict when it comes to appearances, pride, superiority, and you put the laws of the bible, again as you interpret them, over any grace from god. Either everyone follows the rules or they have no chance and a person's own spirit is meant to be broken instead of encouraged. My friends were never allowed to do any of the perfectly innocent things the rest of us did when we were growing up. Add this to the fact that you cannot, or will not, answer anything in your own words like others do (jcribb does), but instead you have to post a mile long list of passages. Do you actually possess a mind of your own anymore? I have a mind and I use it in real time with real actions. Maybe I should try talking people out of cancer, etc., and then I would certainly be less exhausted, would get a LOT more sleep, and would get off the emotional roller coaster because I wouldn't have to worry about any patients. I might even recommend it at the next team meeting or mortality review!

I don't belive in coincidences myself. Of course, after I wrote that, I was 'informed' that she knew now what my problem with her was - I don't like HER religion and because of what happened with my friends. She also told me HER church had left the UPC....a whole 4 months before, as if that made any difference. When the entire religios community views a particular sect as dangerous, unorthodox, etc., what does that tell anyone with half a brain?

[jcribb16]

It's one thing to name-call a belief or call a religion ridiculous or illogical, etc., but it's another whole thing to actually start cutting down or judging a person. Even Jesus indicates that judgement of others is forbidden (unless an appointed judge, such as in courts, etc.) I would like to back this up with scripture:

Matthew 7:1-3 says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged.  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

James 4:10-12 says, "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He shall lift you up. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?"


I really feel that things are going too far in here in regards to actually judging others.  We should be respectful of their beliefs, even if we don't agree with them.  When we start judging their very character as a person, then we are in the wrong, me included. It's really hard when our buttons are pushed and we've had enough of it. We can tell them to knock it off, put them on ignore, or even back out of the argument going on.  We just need to be careful what we are doing in here.  For those of us who are Christians, we will have to account for ourselves. Others will too. They may not agree with that because of not believing in the Lord.  That is their perogative and not for me to judge them about. 

[Nelson08]

I do believe in the afterlife as I read the Holy Scriptures (The Bible) evidently there is an afterlife.Your spirit and Soul (Consciousness) lives on as your physical body dies but also beware of the second death. ( The death of spirit and soul)

[scm0100]

Yes I do believe in the afterlife wwhy shouldn't I? 

[jcribb16]

jcribb

Matthew 7:1-3 says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

That's another verse that is frequently taken out of context. "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. The Bible exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?  The Bible says (Proverbs 20:11) "Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right". and (Matt. 7:16) "By their fruit you will recognize them".  Any believer who has studied the Bible should immediately begin to question any doctrine that is contrary to Scriptures.  Many will call themselves "christian" but seldom few have religions or beliefs that go by what the Bible says.  We are supposed to judge ALL teachings by what the Scripture says.  The person that is looking to follow the real, genuine Jesus will have no problem accepting the Bible and ALL that is in it as His Word and will follow His instruction.  To do anything else is to be "out of line" with His Word---something He didn't ever say to be.

I know what you are saying. But the rest of the verse needs to be included, "...  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."  I think we still need to be careful in how far we go with "righteous judgment", lest we become hypocritical ourselves, by going too far. God, Himself, will do the final judging of us all.

[Annella]

jcribb

Matthew 7:1-3 says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

That's another verse that is frequently taken out of context. "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. The Bible exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?  The Bible says (Proverbs 20:11) "Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right". and (Matt. 7:16) "By their fruit you will recognize them".  Any believer who has studied the Bible should immediately begin to question any doctrine that is contrary to Scriptures.  Many will call themselves "christian" but seldom few have religions or beliefs that go by what the Bible says.  We are supposed to judge ALL teachings by what the Scripture says.  The person that is looking to follow the real, genuine Jesus will have no problem accepting the Bible and ALL that is in it as His Word and will follow His instruction.  To do anything else is to be "out of line" with His Word---something He didn't ever say to be.

You are judging me by implying I'm an evildoer, false prophet, and someone who practices in all kinds of evil, my religion does not follow the Bible, my doctrine is not Bible based?

I'm in a cult?  You even posted the definition of a cult:
The Biblical definition of a cult: A cult according to the Word of God is any group of people that worship anything or anyone other than Jesus Christ, and believe anything contrary to His Word as found in the Bible.  It's a FALSE RELIGION.

Uh, I don't worship anything or anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sheryl, while you are riding the wave of criticism, you are doing more damage than you can imagine. While you may have some people jumping on your bandwagon of judgement, there are more watching you tear down a person that professes to love God, and holds precious the Blood of Jesus.  Not good.  You are not looking very much like the Christian you yourself are trying to profess.

Please, by all means, stop this berating. Like Jcribb said, with what judgement you judge, you will be judged.  Our judge is the Lord Jesus Christ (God). You are looking very bad.

Something else.  If the Spirit of God has filled a person (evidence of speaking in other tongues), and is working and living in that vessel, then the enemy can no more possess that person than anything.  The Lord, and the devil cannot occupy the same vessel.  This is Bible.  A Christian full of the Holy Ghost cannot lend habitation to the enemy. They can backslide, denounce God and His goodness, blaspheme the Holy Ghost, and be lost eternally. Then the devil can enter that vessel.  Those who have opened a "door" and have invited the devil in, can be possessed. Things like drugs, sexual perversion, murder, dabbling in the black arts, satanism, etc., can open doors for the enemy to come in and inhabit that person.

While we as Christians fail, say things we shouldn't, do sin, etc. However, we have an advocate with the Father to repent and be forgiven for those sins (I repent everyday), but never does that open an invitation for the devil to possess us.  The Holy Ghost lets me know when I need to get my life right.  If we don't repent, and get those under the blood, or hang on to bitterness, resentment, unforgiveness, etc., then we are in danger of giving place to the enemy, and letting him control us.  There are a few times I've messed up in this forum and had to repent, apologize, what have you, to get back on the right track. Every Christian worth their salt (pun intended) has to.

Yes, pray for me, I'll take all the prayer I can get!  We ALL need prayer.  We are to lift each other up in prayer, not tear down our brothers and sisters.  You have said 3 times now "I'm done with this", but you keep coming back with more berating. Even non believers can tell something is very wrong here. Your talking of humbling ourselves. We all need to. None of us has arrived on the heavenly shores yet.  We are still striving for perfection.

[Annella]

So I guess, if I'm in a foreign country, I can be just as obnoxious as I want to be, because I'll be going home in a few days anyway, and won't ever see those particular people again.  Or I'm on a road trip, and stop in a restaurant.  Might as well treat the wait person like they are beneath me because after all, they are servants right?  I won't be seeing them after I leave anyway.  Might as well leave them with the impression that their idiots for even being in the customer service industry.

Any chance you can get to twist my words and "make me look bad", huh?

As a sidenote, it's quite funny who you chose to use that particular comparison against someone like me.  Don't you remember that I've been to 18 (soon to be 19) countries and counting?  lol

Twisting your words?  Making you look bad?  Oh please, you make yourself look bad, and all the rest of us make ourselves look bad at times.  I'm answering your post. You have daunted newbie believers with words like: idiots, brain washed, delusional, simple minded, etc.  

Uh. I didn't pick that particular comparison, because you had been to many foreign countries  I've been to many countries myself, and have seen how "tourists" can be very rude. it just something that came to my mind because I've witnessed it in my travels.  Okay, how about just being obnoxious and rude to a salesclerk out of town, etc.

This is a faulty comparison because my being blunt in response to something illogical someone says is NOT on the same scale as being rude in a foreign country.  It doesn't even make sense because said newbies are Americans, too, and thus familiar with our ridiculous Christian culture and its tenets.

What?  The newbies are newbies (American or not).  You swoop down on the newbies who are professing a belief in God, wether they be Americans, French, whatever.  So this statement doesn't make sense.  I don't see you swooping down on the unbeliever newbies and verbally shredding them. Your clouding the issue here and I know your smarter than that.  Bluntness and being rude are different things all together.  I know when I'm being rude qon, and you do too.

Something you find illogical is okay, but do you have to verbally shred them so they never come back into D&D? At least let them get their feet wet first before you shoot them out of the atheistic cannon.

[Annella]

Off-topic, but I've made money fast last month....and this month.  The surveys are really paying off!

[Falconer02]

You are judging me by implying I'm an evildoer, false prophet, and someone who practices in all kinds of evil

Implying? Most here will agree that you do. You have already admitted to it. I'm sure your bloated pompous view of yourself will obviously reject this obvious aspect, but spreading ruses like faith healing via a questionable metaphysical authority that cannot be proven is all of the above. Congratulations.

[jcribb16]

Quote from Falconer:
questionable metaphysical authority that cannot be proven



For those who demand proof and don't have faith to believe in Him now, He will show Himself when it's the time of His return.

[jcribb16]

Quote from queenofnines:
It doesn't even make sense because said newbies are Americans, too, and thus familiar with our ridiculous Christian culture and its tenets.


You know, it's a real shame that certain sects of their so-called religion, make sincere Christians look that way.  Those ones really mess it up for the Christians who truly love God and are honestly trying to make a difference.

[Annella]

You are judging me by implying I'm an evildoer, false prophet, and someone who practices in all kinds of evil

Implying? Most here will agree that you do. You have already admitted to it. I'm sure your bloated pompous view of yourself will obviously reject this obvious aspect, but spreading ruses like faith healing via a questionable metaphysical authority that cannot be proven is all of the above. Congratulations.

MOST here?, uh, you mean you, qon, walks, jdog, and Sheryl.  Hardly "most" compared to the whole forum. I DO believe in faith healing, it's Biblical, experienced it, and seen it in action.  Not something I made up. However, since you don't believe in the Bible yourself, this can be classified as YOUR opinion.  

As far as "proving" anything to you?  I don't have to.  See, this is the misconception that we as Christians have to prove that there is a God.  It's a choice to believe or not.  The material is presented, we have the Bible, some scientific results that point to a Creator, etc.  You can debunk it and go on...it's a choice. There is nothing that I have to do, or any other Christian, to prove God's existence to you.....nothing!  Even those in Jesus day wanted a sign, and Jesus said: Nope!

Bloated pompous view of myself?  How typical that you cannot post me without put downs or sarcasm...every single time!