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queenofnines

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And as far as the "You'll change your mind," bit, I thought maybe as I got older I would.  Here I am 15 days from being 31 and I still have yet to hear the proverbial 'biological clock' tick once.  When exactly was I going to change my mind again?

I was going to mention that I did eventually get an IUD, but I thought that might be TMI. lol Now I don't have to worry about birth control for a full five years, and it's great! I wanted the 10 year one so I would only have to get it replaced one more time before my egg factory shut down, but they didn't have that one available. ;)  :P

My maternal instinct is for cute puppies, not expensive, crying, freedom sucking children. Which I'm sure makes me sound like a terrible person to some, but I really don't mean it as harsh as it sounds. The cost-benefit analysis of raising kids just isn't worth it to me. They have far more cons than pros.
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Why in the world would you want to live in a dictatorship where the government decides who gets to live?

That's a very dramatic and exaggerated way to put it. Having regulations on birth rates is a GOOD and NECESSARY thing if it means preventing people from starving, dying due to lack of fresh water, etc. It also doesn't mean everyone is only allowed X number of kids and that's it; not all women want/can have kids, which frees up a "slot" for someone who would like to have more than the replacement rate.

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Don't worry, Obama believes in population control, and his "science czar" is a prominent eugenicist, who has very similar plans to those of Hitler. So you'll be getting all the population control that you want, soon.

 :confused1: You lose all credibility when you make conspiracy theorist claims such as this.
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this should be a womans choice not a law to be inforced just because you could not have it done doesnt make it wrong for some one else  why does no one want anyone to have freedom of choice you do whats best for you and leave this alone and no i personally do not believe in abortion but i do believe in freedom of choice

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Why in the world would you want to live in a dictatorship where the government decides who gets to live?

That's a very dramatic and exaggerated way to put it. Having regulations on birth rates is a GOOD and NECESSARY thing if it means preventing people from starving, dying due to lack of fresh water, etc. It also doesn't mean everyone is only allowed X number of kids and that's it; not all women want/can have kids, which frees up a "slot" for someone who would like to have more than the replacement rate.

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Don't worry, Obama believes in population control, and his "science czar" is a prominent eugenicist, who has very similar plans to those of Hitler. So you'll be getting all the population control that you want, soon.

 :confused1: You lose all credibility when you make conspiracy theorist claims such as this.

This is ignoring the fact that the population rate has been decreasing naturally on its own. As resources become scarce, fewer people choose to have children. There's also absolutely no way any government can know what resourcing are available for everyone, everywhere, at all times. Its a very complex, and intricate subject. The government will make mistakes if it attempts to control the population. Not only is there no way to measure what resources are available, not only its it difficult to measure exactly how many babies are actually born in any given hour, its also difficult to see the results of such population control. How would we know it was working?

To give the government power to tell people that they cannot have children is dangerous. The government can and will abuse this power like they do with others. If we really want to make sure the population self-regulates itself, lets give the government less power and lets stop supporting a welfare system that rewards people for having children.

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My tax money pays a lot more than an abortion.  Let the person leave and make their own decisions, the abortion decision should be between the woman, her doctor, her conscious and  their God, everybody should make the decision for herself.  If planned families cannot have contraceptives and/or abortions when they are need it then this world is really sick.  And if you do not want to pay for a woman choice and we should not pay either for *bleep*/Cialis for men, that is what I think
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Why in the world would you want to live in a dictatorship where the government decides who gets to live?

That's a very dramatic and exaggerated way to put it. Having regulations on birth rates is a GOOD and NECESSARY thing if it means preventing people from starving, dying due to lack of fresh water, etc. It also doesn't mean everyone is only allowed X number of kids and that's it; not all women want/can have kids, which frees up a "slot" for someone who would like to have more than the replacement rate.

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Don't worry, Obama believes in population control, and his "science czar" is a prominent eugenicist, who has very similar plans to those of Hitler. So you'll be getting all the population control that you want, soon.

 :confused1: You lose all credibility when you make conspiracy theorist claims such as this.

This is ignoring the fact that the population rate has been decreasing naturally on its own. As resources become scarce, fewer people choose to have children. There's also absolutely no way any government can know what resourcing are available for everyone, everywhere, at all times. Its a very complex, and intricate subject. The government will make mistakes if it attempts to control the population. Not only is there no way to measure what resources are available, not only its it difficult to measure exactly how many babies are actually born in any given hour, its also difficult to see the results of such population control. How would we know it was working?

To give the government power to tell people that they cannot have children is dangerous. The government can and will abuse this power like they do with others. If we really want to make sure the population self-regulates itself, lets give the government less power and lets stop supporting a welfare system that rewards people for having children.
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Why in the world would you want to live in a dictatorship where the government decides who gets to live?

That's a very dramatic and exaggerated way to put it. Having regulations on birth rates is a GOOD and NECESSARY thing if it means preventing people from starving, dying due to lack of fresh water, etc. It also doesn't mean everyone is only allowed X number of kids and that's it; not all women want/can have kids, which frees up a "slot" for someone who would like to have more than the replacement rate.

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Don't worry, Obama believes in population control, and his "science czar" is a prominent eugenicist, who has very similar plans to those of Hitler. So you'll be getting all the population control that you want, soon.

 :confused1: You lose all credibility when you make conspiracy theorist claims such as this.
How is it a "conspiracy theory" when they admit it themselves?

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Why in the world would you want to live in a dictatorship where the government decides who gets to live?

That's a very dramatic and exaggerated way to put it. Having regulations on birth rates is a GOOD and NECESSARY thing if it means preventing people from starving, dying due to lack of fresh water, etc. It also doesn't mean everyone is only allowed X number of kids and that's it; not all women want/can have kids, which frees up a "slot" for someone who would like to have more than the replacement rate.

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Don't worry, Obama believes in population control, and his "science czar" is a prominent eugenicist, who has very similar plans to those of Hitler. So you'll be getting all the population control that you want, soon.

 :confused1: You lose all credibility when you make conspiracy theorist claims such as this.

This is ignoring the fact that the population rate has been decreasing naturally on its own. As resources become scarce, fewer people choose to have children. There's also absolutely no way any government can know what resourcing are available for everyone, everywhere, at all times. Its a very complex, and intricate subject. The government will make mistakes if it attempts to control the population. Not only is there no way to measure what resources are available, not only its it difficult to measure exactly how many babies are actually born in any given hour, its also difficult to see the results of such population control. How would we know it was working?

To give the government power to tell people that they cannot have children is dangerous. The government can and will abuse this power like they do with others. If we really want to make sure the population self-regulates itself, lets give the government less power and lets stop supporting a welfare system that rewards people for having children.
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However, your view on the current administration and your comparison to Nationalsozialismus has no basis on any evidence. The fact is, the current administration could very well handle population control with careful planning and diligence. Its the fact that these powers could later be abused by someone is what worries me.

My stance that the government should not be allowed to control the population didn't particularly originate from the premise that the government is necessarily evil, but that they are simply incompetent.
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Abortion is not what anyone wants to do. It is a surgery with all the risks of surgery, it is a pregnancy that is ended, these women know that they are ending a chance at having a child. But I have known many MANY women in this life who have abortions personally (over 20). I have considered abortion for myself and am greatful that I had the option legally. They also know that for many GOOD reason they decide not to continue the pregnancy, some have severe health problems, some have no family or fathers support, some are very young, some were raped, they all decided on abortion because it was what was right for them. They couldn't raise the child and they couldn't give it away always wondering for their whole life if that child was going to be hurt, abused, mistreated, neglected. We don't live in a very child friendly world, too many bad things happen these days. It is the woman's body that has to go thru the painful process of pregnancy and birth. Being a woman that went thru the process of being pregnant and alone and a single mom from the time I was 6 weeks pregnant till my son was a year old, I know just how painful it is to have a baby alone-it is something I would never wish on anyone. It is every woman's right to decide and choose for herself whether or not to keep a pregnancy, it is her uterus, her body, her life. Abortion is a woman's very personal choice, it needs to stay personal. Unless you are the woman having the abortion, it is not for you to prevent or decide upon, it is her personal choice. Same for all her other reproductive rights to good healthcare, birth control, sterilization. It is NOT a political topic, it is a personal decision between a woman and her doctor about what goes on INSIDE HER BODY
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Abortion is not what anyone wants to do. It is a surgery with all the risks of surgery, it is a pregnancy that is ended, these women know that they are ending a chance at having a child. But I have known many MANY women in this life who have abortions personally (over 20). I have considered abortion for myself and am greatful that I had the option legally. They also know that for many GOOD reason they decide not to continue the pregnancy, some have severe health problems, some have no family or fathers support, some are very young, some were raped, they all decided on abortion because it was what was right for them. They couldn't raise the child and they couldn't give it away always wondering for their whole life if that child was going to be hurt, abused, mistreated, neglected. We don't live in a very child friendly world, too many bad things happen these days. It is the woman's body that has to go thru the painful process of pregnancy and birth. Being a woman that went thru the process of being pregnant and alone and a single mom from the time I was 6 weeks pregnant till my son was a year old, I know just how painful it is to have a baby alone-it is something I would never wish on anyone. It is every woman's right to decide and choose for herself whether or not to keep a pregnancy, it is her uterus, her body, her life. Abortion is a woman's very personal choice, it needs to stay personal. Unless you are the woman having the abortion, it is not for you to prevent or decide upon, it is her personal choice. Same for all her other reproductive rights to good healthcare, birth control, sterilization. It is NOT a political topic, it is a personal decision between a woman and her doctor about what goes on INSIDE HER BODY
If it is so personal, then it is her personal responsibility to pay for it. We shouldn't have to pay for her personal choice that is not our business.

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