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Does anyone believe in aliens? and what are your view on them. personally, i think the universe is much too large for us to be the only inelliget life. what a waste of space. literally. but i believe we don't have open encounters becuse they are far more advanced than us and know our nature. so they abstain from our open life.
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I must be one. I have never been able to fit in anywhere. Therefore, I am in this world, but I am not of this world.
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personally, i think the universe is much too large for us to be the only inelliget life. what a waste of space. literally.
I agree completely!
If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. – George Carlin RIP
^_^
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I agree. The universe is way to big for it to only be us here.
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I must be one. I have never been able to fit in anywhere. Therefore, I am in this world, but I am not of this world.
Funny! Some days I can definitely identify with that feeling. ;)
I agree there is far, far too much out there in that huge thing we call 'The Universe' that we know very little about.
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
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There's a possibility that there maybe Aliens, but I don't think they look like the stereotypical little green men depicted in the movies. They probably look more like us.
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Speaking of Aliens...this is for purely entertainment purposes, of course... ;)
http://www.cracked.com/article_18690_5-ufo-sightings-that-even-non-crazy-people-find-creepy.html
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A huge portion of our galaxy is incapable of supporting life. Potential aliens in other galaxies are too far away to detect our presence (since radio signals will not reach them for millions of years). I personally don't think there are aliens in other galaxies. If we were to somehow find out there were, it would not change my beliefs where Christianity is concerned. The existence of aliens does not prove the non existence of God, and it doesn't contradict the bible since the bible doesn't say anything about aliens.
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A huge portion of our galaxy is incapable of supporting life. Potential aliens in other galaxies are too far away to detect our presence (since radio signals will not reach them for millions of years). I personally don't think there are aliens in other galaxies. If we were to somehow find out there were, it would not change my beliefs where Christianity is concerned. The existence of aliens does not prove the non existence of God, and it doesn't contradict the bible since the bible doesn't say anything about aliens.
ditto.....I agree.
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I believe in aliens. I don't believe, however, they are these little green men with huge heads and black eyes. If anything, I believe they would look similiar to our human race. There has been much research into what might have existed on dead planets, such as Mars. They have found signs that bacteria at one point thrived on the planet, so obviously, there was something there. Is it possible that life had been obliterated on that planet? Or.....is it possible that those microscopic organisms are the beginning of new life?? I don't think we will ever know, but I definitly believe that this universe is just way too big for there to be nothing else within it besides us.
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It never says there weren't aliens in te bible. it dosen't say anyting about dinosaurs either but you probably believe in those.
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I doesn't say anything about dinosaurs for the same reason it doesn't say anything about aliens. It is irrelevant to the purpose of the bible. Dinosaurs existed before man, their remaining ancestors are mentioned in some parts of the bible
Genesis 1:21 says that God created "great sea monsters" on the fifth day
Isaiah 27:1
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
But the creation and existence of the dinosaurs is irrelevant.
Obviously, there were a lot more creatures than just dinosaurs that were left out of the creation account. If God were to have included every creature in the creation account (well over one billion), such inclusion would have completely lost the spiritual significance of the passage (and would be much longer than the Bible itself). The purpose of the Genesis creation account is to give an account of how God created mankind and provided for him. The account, like the entire Bible, centers on God and His miraculous workings for mankind. Therefore, in the creation account, we find the supernatural creation of the universe by God, indicating that the universe wasn't always here, but created by God for man. Next, it talks about the creation of plants, which are important to humans, since we eat them, and also important to the animals that we rely upon, which also eat them. Then, it talks about the sea creatures and birds, which we also eat. It next talks about the beasts of the field, which we eat and use for labor. Then it talks about the creation of mankind and how he is to have dominion and manage the earth and its creatures.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/dinosaurs.html
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I doesn't say anything about dinosaurs for the same reason it doesn't say anything about aliens. It is irrelevant to the purpose of the bible.
But the creation and existence of the dinosaurs is irrelevant.
i agree entirely. it is irrelevant. so people shouldn't use the bible to determine the eistence of aliens , dinosaurs, or anything else of the "unseen world"
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Well, people can choose to use the bible for whatever they want, and obviously they do. I don't ever recall anyone trying to use the bible disprove aliens or dinosaurs. Anyone attempting to change the meaning of scripture, or add to it will suffer the consequences of those actions.
Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Ohhhh looks like John Smith, Muhammad and some others are in some trouble.
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Well, people can choose to use the bible for whatever they want, and obviously they do. I don't ever recall anyone trying to use the bible disprove aliens or dinosaurs. Anyone attempting to change the meaning of scripture, or add to it will suffer the consequences of those actions.
Ohhhh looks like John Smith, Muhammad and some others are in some trouble.
definately. problem is - people add to and change the bible all the time.they've changed "And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land."-- Ezekiel 34:29 to land of renown
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Well, people can choose to use the bible for whatever they want, and obviously they do. I don't ever recall anyone trying to use the bible disprove aliens or dinosaurs. Anyone attempting to change the meaning of scripture, or add to it will suffer the consequences of those actions.
Ohhhh looks like John Smith, Muhammad and some others are in some trouble.
definately. problem is - people add to and change the bible all the time.they've changed "And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land."-- Ezekiel 34:29 to land of renown
Well firstly the King James version (that uses the word plant) interpreted the original Hebrew with a limited archaic from of english. We have more reliable translations today that are closer to the original Hebrew meanings. However, just looking at the context for which the word plant is used....."they shall be no more consumed with hunger" doesn't sound like it is referring to marijuana which people don't eat to stave off hunger.
the text is referring to (1) God’s people’s crops and herds being very productive (i.e., evidence covenant restored,
which is the fruitfulness and safety described in vv. 25-27) or (2) God’s people going back to Palestine
(evidence covenant restored).http://freebiblecommentary.org/pdf/EN/VOL13BOT.pdf
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Well firstly the King James version (that uses the word plant) interpreted the original Hebrew with a limited archaic from of english. We have more reliable translations today that are closer to the original Hebrew meanings. However, just looking at the context for which the word plant is used....."they shall be no more consumed with hunger" doesn't sound like it is referring to marijuana which people don't eat to stave off hunger.
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actually,hemp oil provides so many nutrients, you could eat it. second, hunger dosen't nessecarily mean for food. it could be for any resource. but th plant itself has healing properties and several non-healing.
The Bible predicts some herb's prohibition. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3). wich predicts lots of things today
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Well, people can choose to use the bible for whatever they want, and obviously they do. I don't ever recall anyone trying to use the bible disprove aliens or dinosaurs. Anyone attempting to change the meaning of scripture, or add to it will suffer the consequences of those actions.
My friends uncle is a priest and at the family get-together, he told my friend that aliens do not exist because god never talks of them. He even backed it up with a few versus showing off how the universe is strictly for us, but since I wasn't there I cannot quote him (nor do I really want to). My friend just replied with "The bible does not say a lot of things". I've also read in creationist books (mainly young-earth c's) that aliens are a figment of the imagination and do not exist-- they are the product of hollywood and should be regarded only as that. But keep in mind these are the same people that do this-
(http://controversy.wearscience.com/img450/devil.gif) ;)
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Ok, I just looked up the word "plant" in the online Strongs concordance. The Hebrew word here is matta`
Meanings
1) place or act of planting, planting, plantation
a) planting place
b) act of planting
c) plantation
It is occurs 6 times in 6 verses.
Isa 60:21-planting
Isa 61:3-planting
Eze 17:7-plantation
Eze 31:4-plants
Eze 34:29-plant
Mic 1:6-plantings
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4302&t=KJV
So when the newer translations came out, they were closer to the meaning of the original hebrew when they changed the word "plant" to reflect the correct meaning. So this scripture is clearly not referring to a specific plant.
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Well, people can choose to use the bible for whatever they want, and obviously they do. I don't ever recall anyone trying to use the bible disprove aliens or dinosaurs. Anyone attempting to change the meaning of scripture, or add to it will suffer the consequences of those actions.
My friends uncle is a priest and at the family get-together, he told my friend that aliens do not exist because god never talks of them. He even backed it up with a few versus showing off how the universe is strictly for us, but since I wasn't there I cannot quote him (nor do I really want to). My friend just replied with "The bible does not say a lot of things". I've also read in creationist books (mainly young-earth c's) that aliens are a figment of the imagination and do not exist-- they are the product of hollywood and should be regarded only as that. But keep in mind these are the same people that do this-
(http://controversy.wearscience.com/img450/devil.gif) ;)
I have never heard anyone, personally, trying to use the bible to say aliens don't exist. I am not responsible for other peoples ignorance.
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you were righ about that plant thing, sherna. but it is still a gift ffrom god
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you were righ about that plant thing, sherna. but it is still a gift ffrom god
I don't disagree with that. However, we should be mindful not to abuse God's gifts.
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exactly, if peopl didn' abuse it it wouldn't be a problem for anyone. its not the weed its the one who abuses it that cases problems
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It's definitely possible that we are not alone in the universe. I think they will be no different than us in terms of nature. People seem to think aliens would be more peaceful than we are, but I doubt it.
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It's definitely possible that we are not alone in the universe. I think they will be no different than us in terms of nature. People seem to think aliens would be more peaceful than we are, but I doubt it.
could be, but if they were like us, some would come to earth to get famous, and others to make money. some even in attempt to take over. they are our sort of being - one without natural defense mechanisms (stingers, venom,) and seperate from animals with only logic to survive. but i don't think they are anything like us
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I believe in 2 possibilities:
1. Yes, I believe that there maybe aliens. In fact, I think that WE, maybe the "ALIENS". There are studies that indicate that billions of years ago, meteorites have been bombarding the earth from outer space. You never know, we (DNA, Amino acids) might be the martins that hitched that ride on one of those meteors.
2. Yes, I believe that there maybe aliens but seeing how there are a lot of mentally under developed humans on earth..... The Aliens would by pass earth faster than the speed of light & find a planet with advance bacterium!!!! No, Humans are not ready to meet Higher forms of life. Maybe in a couple of trillion, trillion, trillions of years from now.....that is if, we didn't blow ourselves up in the process. :wave:
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I'm personaly very open minded on this subject and I follow-up on it .
I believe there is no way that we are here alone in this big universe and no one knows where it begins or ends.
There has to be new life forming all the time out there somewhere and some maybe ending, we just not advanced enough
for now to collect the needed facts and even if we are able to we diffenetly wouldn't comprehend it beacause it would be
to advanced for us.
But I also believe that there would also has to be less advanced worlds out there as well.
The one's that are visiting our skies here on earth are far to advanced since we can't figure it out yet.
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The bible repeatedly says that angels appeared to man and before the flood came there were nephilim(King James and most bibles besides the NWT mistranslates the hebrew word for nephilim to Giants).
I'm not saying angels couldn't have appeared as an angel or even appearing as a human, what i'm saying is there's a possibility that angels when they were taken a form of man could have taken the form of a grey. This of course is speculation and can't be proven.
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Why should we be the only ones in the
whole wide universe?
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I'm not saying angels couldn't have appeared as an angel or even appearing as a human, what i'm saying is there's a possibility that angels when they were taken a form of man could have taken the form of a grey. This of course is speculation and can't be proven.
Yep. Including your own beliefs. ;)
Why should we be the only ones in the whole wide universe?
I know! Seems like an awful waste of space for just one life-bearing spec in this universe.
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I'm not saying angels couldn't have appeared as an angel or even appearing as a human, what i'm saying is there's a possibility that angels when they were taken a form of man could have taken the form of a grey. This of course is speculation and can't be proven.
Yep. Including your own beliefs. ;)
Why should we be the only ones in the whole wide universe?
I know! Seems like an awful waste of space for just one life-bearing spec in this universe.
Yeah, and the scientific teaching that something comes from zero is just as much speculation.
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
The Bible says that we are not of this world & this is not our home so WE are the aliens & so is God. :o
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Yeah, and the scientific teaching that something comes from zero is just as much speculation.
Science does not teach that.
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Of course there are aliens because I have seen their craft. I just don't understand why people think we are alone. The universe is much too vast and there are too many planets to support only 6 billion beings. If anyone believes in the Messiah, and that He came from The Father, and The Father is not from here, and we are the down line from the Messiah (and The Father) then one would have to think that we too are alien.
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Yeah, and the scientific teaching that something comes from zero is just as much speculation.
Science does not teach that.
Oh, explain what came before the big bang then or even the atom?
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Oh, explain what came before the big bang then or even the atom?
It's currently unknown what the origin of these things are. There are ideas but nobody can believe them because of a lack of evidence for it. But these are definitely not "nothing". Also saying a god did it is the same as saying "I can't explain fire or rainbows, therefore my god made them!". It's very naive to assert something without any evidence for it. Especially when one says they know what this idea wants, does, says, etc. To say a god did it and then clinging adamantly to that idea to the point of ignorance is just completely ridiculous. If I told you I have seen aliens before and that I know what they want and do and that you should obey them, you'd think I was a nutjob. But with religion, it's a norm to do this and it's respected by the members. Hypocrisy? Double-standard?
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Oh, explain what came before the big bang then or even the atom?
It's currently unknown what the origin of these things are. There are ideas but nobody can believe them because of a lack of evidence for it. But these are definitely not "nothing". Also saying a god did it is the same as saying "I can't explain fire or rainbows, therefore my god made them!". It's very naive to assert something without any evidence for it. Especially when one says they know what this idea wants, does, says, etc. To say a god did it and then clinging adamantly to that idea to the point of ignorance is just completely ridiculous. If I told you I have seen aliens before and that I know what they want and do and that you should obey them, you'd think I was a nutjob. But with religion, it's a norm to do this and it's respected by the members. Hypocrisy? Double-standard?
Until Science can explain EVERYTHING, people are going to have their own beliefs, theories and ideas. None of them are right or wrong, since nobody knows the truth.
The problem lies, though, in saying that science is wrong because it doesn't jive with your belief system, or in discounting everything science has proven because it hasn't explained everything as of yet. It is possible to still have faith in the spiritual without saying science is wrong or not having any understanding of science by claiming science says we come from nothing.
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Oh, explain what came before the big bang then or even the atom?
It's currently unknown what the origin of these things are. There are ideas but nobody can believe them because of a lack of evidence for it. But these are definitely not "nothing". Also saying a god did it is the same as saying "I can't explain fire or rainbows, therefore my god made them!". It's very naive to assert something without any evidence for it. Especially when one says they know what this idea wants, does, says, etc. To say a god did it and then clinging adamantly to that idea to the point of ignorance is just completely ridiculous. If I told you I have seen aliens before and that I know what they want and do and that you should obey them, you'd think I was a nutjob. But with religion, it's a norm to do this and it's respected by the members. Hypocrisy? Double-standard?
Until Science can explain EVERYTHING, people are going to have their own beliefs, theories and ideas. None of them are right or wrong, since nobody knows the truth.
The problem lies, though, in saying that science is wrong because it doesn't jive with your belief system, or in discounting everything science has proven because it hasn't explained everything as of yet. It is possible to still have faith in the spiritual without saying science is wrong or not having any understanding of science by claiming science says we come from nothing.
Where did I even suggest that is what I meant. I never said Science was wrong! If anything my post points that Science is right.
That wasn't directed at you, Marie. It was a continuation of the conversation.
Besides, your post says None of them are right or wrong, since nobody knows the truth.
That suggests that at this point no one is right. Science does hold truth; many people do discount science because it isn't biblical.
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The problem lies, though, in saying that science is wrong because it doesn't jive with your belief system, or in discounting everything science has proven because it hasn't explained everything as of yet.
Science does hold truth; many people do discount science because it isn't biblical.
Precisely. And I honestly find this a major problem in our society. Btw did you know the earth is 6,000 years old?
I'm going to post a few comics from Bill Watterson that I thought pertain to this issue-
(http://copingkoala.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/calvin_hobbs1.jpg)
(http://randomterror.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/calvinhobbes2.gif)
Edit: Post count = 1234! lolololol
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It depends on what you consider intelligent life to be.
Like I really don't see any on this planet....
But with the drake equations, it's probable that we are not alone.
And that's a good thing.
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I would like to think there is other life out there beyond our own. Maybe in a far off galaxy that we have not yet learned about. It would be arrogant of us to think that life on earth is all there is. I often wonder what the other lifeforms may look like and how they may live. I wonder how intelligent they may be and if they too think like us and live like us. Im sure one day we will discover another race of people beyond our own world. Until then we can just wonder.
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
what are you even talking about there are a lot of references in the bible that suggest sightings of UFO technology so there's a chance the bible does say something about it
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The problem lies, though, in saying that science is wrong because it doesn't jive with your belief system, or in discounting everything science has proven because it hasn't explained everything as of yet.
Science does hold truth; many people do discount science because it isn't biblical.
Precisely. And I honestly find this a major problem in our society. Btw did you know the earth is 6,000 years old?
I'm going to post a few comics from Bill Watterson that I thought pertain to this issue-
(http://copingkoala.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/calvin_hobbs1.jpg)
(http://randomterror.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/calvinhobbes2.gif)
Edit: Post count = 1234! lolololol
I agree with science but I don't agree with it's theories. As for the earth and the universe being 6,000 years old, I disagree with that, I believe the human race is only 6,000 years old though and yeah I believe the ice age was the flood.
@dragon's quote and at falconor I guess: The book of Ezekiel talks about celestial chariots 0_0. The only Vehicles people knew of back then was Egyptian chariots which is a lot better then people give it credit for. The wheels on the chariots were much better then some stone age wheel.
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what are you even talking about there are a lot of references in the bible that suggest sightings of UFO technology so there's a chance the bible does say something about it
That was a joke. And anyone can make the bible say practically anything they want in order to justify their ideas.
I agree with science but I don't agree with it's theories.
This makes little sense. It's like saying "I agree with science but I don't agree with the scientific process".
As for the earth and the universe being 6,000 years old, I disagree with that, I believe the human race is only 6,000 years old though and yeah I believe the ice age was the flood.
That was also a joke! And the human race has been around for muuuuch longer than 6,000 years. If you believe that the end of the ice age was the flood, then you contradict yourself since the last one was well over 10,000 years ago.
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As for the earth and the universe being 6,000 years old, I disagree with that, I believe the human race is only 6,000 years old though and yeah I believe the ice age was the flood.
That was also a joke! And the human race has been around for muuuuch longer than 6,000 years. If you believe that the end of the ice age was the flood, then you contradict yourself since the last one was well over 10,000 years ago.
Aww, shucks, Falc, that may just be one of those hokem theories science has made up in an effort to confuse the religious.
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
The bible also says we should kill homosexuals, have slaves, and insists that we are all punished for the crimes of two people . meaning the lord in your bible has the power to decide my fate and judged me before i was even born. so i will never worship the lord mentioned in the bible!
oh , yeah. and would it kill you to use proper spelling? it's not that hard really, and typing like that in an intelligent debate just makes you look like a fool. btw
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
The bible also says we should kill homosexuals, have slaves, and insists that we are all punished for the crimes of two people . meaning the lord in your bible has the power to decide my fate and judged me before i was even born. so i will never worship the lord mentioned in the bible!
oh , yeah. and would it kill you to use proper spelling? it's not that hard really, and typing like that in an intelligent debate just makes you look like a fool. btw
Be careful treading these waters...
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Aww, shucks, Falc, that may just be one of those hokem theories science has made up in an effort to confuse the religious.
You done made a point therr, lil lady! GUH-HYUK!!!! :-B
The bible also says we should kill homosexuals, have slaves, and insists that we are all punished for the crimes of two people . meaning the lord in your bible has the power to decide my fate and judged me before i was even born. so i will never worship the lord mentioned in the bible!
Yes, but the obvious answer to arguing against this is "It's all in his divine plan".
oh , yeah. and would it kill you to use proper spelling? it's not that hard really, and typing like that in an intelligent debate just makes you look like a fool. btw
It wasnt Dragon who said that. He was actually quoting me on that. That post was a joke! I thought it was obvious, but apparently not. WHO ES TEH FOOOL NOW HUH!?
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Aww, shucks, Falc, that may just be one of those hokem theories science has made up in an effort to confuse the religious.
You done made a point therr, lil lady! GUH-HYUK!!!! :-B
Wait, what? Did you think I was joking, Falc? ;) There is no joking allowed on these here forums! Let it be known that anything said on the internets is said in complete and utter seriosity because there is no way to possibly make tone known over written words. :wave:
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Falconor I have a sincere question, is what this guy saying about the ice-age true or is it really only 10,000 years according to you?
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Or, perhaps, the generally accepted scenario, which was a massive asteroid crashing into the earth. Perhaps even a very quick-setting ice-age, but a flood would not leave anything standing. Sorry.
That was over 65,000,000 years ago btw."
You guys have very inconsistent numbers, some of you say 1 billion years, some say 100's of billions of years, some say a few 10,000 years ???
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Or, perhaps, the generally accepted scenario, which was a massive asteroid crashing into the earth. Perhaps even a very quick-setting ice-age, but a flood would not leave anything standing. Sorry.That was over 65,000,000 years ago btw."
It depends what he is referring to. The asteroid hitting earth is generally accept as being 65 mya.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deepimpact-04h.html
The end of the last ice age was about 12,500 year ago according to wiki's sources. That's why I said over 10,000. There are truckloads of information on the subject all over the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
http://www.unmaskingevolution.com/11-iceages.htm
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Aliens right? Honestly the reason i believe we havent found any real evidence out there is because if you think about it the truth could frighten people and cause panic.
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NUH UH YORE ALL RONG BECUZ TEH BIBLE DOZ NOT SAY ANYTHNGI ABOUT ALEINS STOP WATCHING SCI FIGH MOVIEZ AND WERSHIP TEH LORD
The bible also says we should kill homosexuals, have slaves, and insists that we are all punished for the crimes of two people . meaning the lord in your bible has the power to decide my fate and judged me before i was even born. so i will never worship the lord mentioned in the bible!
oh , yeah. and would it kill you to use proper spelling? it's not that hard really, and typing like that in an intelligent debate just makes you look like a fool. btw
Does not seem like such a bad idea to me. Who am I to argue with God.??
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Does not seem like such a bad idea to me. Who am I to argue with God.??
Arguing with a god? Help me out here and tell me how this works! I have many I would like to debate with. Aliens? They're on good terms for now I suppose.
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Or, perhaps, the generally accepted scenario, which was a massive asteroid crashing into the earth. Perhaps even a very quick-setting ice-age, but a flood would not leave anything standing. Sorry.That was over 65,000,000 years ago btw."
It depends what he is referring to. The asteroid hitting earth is generally accept as being 65 mya.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/deepimpact-04h.html
The end of the last ice age was about 12,500 year ago according to wiki's sources. That's why I said over 10,000. There are truckloads of information on the subject all over the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
http://www.unmaskingevolution.com/11-iceages.htm
So there's 2 ice ages?
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So there's 2 ice ages
There have been a lot of ice ages through earth's history. I don't know how many off hand, but I assure you there has been more than 2 major ones and a ton of minor/mild ones.
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So there's 2 ice ages
There have been a lot of ice ages through earth's history. I don't know how many off hand, but I assure you there has been more than 2 major ones and a ton of minor/mild ones.
I skimmed your links, a lot of jargon and seemingly random dates. In all fairness I need to know how they come up with these dates I.E. radiocarbon dating etc.
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So there's 2 ice ages
There have been a lot of ice ages through earth's history. I don't know how many off hand, but I assure you there has been more than 2 major ones and a ton of minor/mild ones.
I skimmed your links, a lot of jargon and seemingly random dates. In all fairness I need to know how they come up with these dates I.E. radiocarbon dating etc.
I'd like to know this info too. Scientists don't seem to agree on dates & I would love to know how they all come up with the dates & why they think they are more accurate than the next guy. Don't get me wrong. I am very interested in science & the Bible. I don't think the two have to be at odds with each other.
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So there's 2 ice ages
There have been a lot of ice ages through earth's history. I don't know how many off hand, but I assure you there has been more than 2 major ones and a ton of minor/mild ones.
I skimmed your links, a lot of jargon and seemingly random dates. In all fairness I need to know how they come up with these dates I.E. radiocarbon dating etc.
I'd like to know this info too. Scientists don't seem to agree on dates & I would love to know how they all come up with the dates & why they think they are more accurate than the next guy. Don't get me wrong. I am very interested in science & the Bible. I don't think the two have to be at odds with each other.
Science and the bible go together, theories and the bible don't. Some argue that the bible saying the earth is a circle still doesn't prove if the earth is flat or not however >:(
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I skimmed your links, a lot of jargon and seemingly random dates.
They're not. You need to understand science is never precisely exact (this rock is approx 13,235 years, 24 days, 3 hours, and 4 seconds old!)-- but it is infinitely perfectible. You're never going to get an exact/precise date with dating really old things. But you can get a very close estimate (i.e. +/-13,000 years old).
In all fairness I need to know how they come up with these dates I.E. radiocarbon dating etc.
Ice cores are one method for things such as this. You can't really put up a good argument against ice cores when it comes to dating things. It's very exact-- practically like measuring how old a tree is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core
I'd like to know this info too. Scientists don't seem to agree on dates & I would love to know how they all come up with the dates & why they think they are more accurate than the next guy.
I'd go further in, but it would be too long to type what I know. That, and I don't have my Masters in the field :P
But here's a list of a few methods- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dating_methods
I am very interested in science & the Bible. I don't think the two have to be at odds with each other.
Science and the bible go together, theories and the bible don't. Some argue that the bible saying the earth is a circle still doesn't prove if the earth is flat or not however
Oh wow...you really think that? It's furthest from the truth of things. And you think science and its theories are completely separate aspects?...c'mon. I'd elaborate, but I have to get back to work here. I'll end with saying you should only go to your bible only for your jesus character and your deity. Not for science. Never for science. Don't ever use it for science unless you know what you're talking about!
As far as the bible and the circle-earth thing, they didn't say sphere nor did the ancients think it was oblate-spherical as it actually is. They thought it looked like this-
http://www.mirrornerror.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/otcosmos.jpg
This is a perfect example of people taking biblical scripture and morphing it into whatever they want to align with how it actually is. It's a cheap trick and all-too-common with creationists.
"To insist on a set of beliefs that would be more comforting just because you dread the result of facing the truth is fatal to the conscience. “Faith” from that point on rests on the rotten foundation of self-deception"
http://www.infidelguy.com/article1.html (AWESOME article)
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Okay... At the very beginning of the bible, when God was creating Adam, he says "Let US make him in Our own image, in Our own likeness" These are plural words that are saying that he is talking with someone else. This would have to mean that there is someone or something else there....right? I have watched a lot of the Discovery channel and other programs that have validated the fact that their are and have been other beings among us. As a matter of fact, they were here before we were. Are we really so vain as to think that when God the great creator created us that we were just so perfect that he never created anything else? Do we think that our planet was the first planet that he ever made? Just because we cannot survive on a lot of the other planets doesn't mean that they can't. Also. don't you think that if everyone on this planet had an encounter with other beings that it would cause total pandemonium? And yes I have been contacted, and yes they do talk a different language. I have even spoken this language in my sleep. Sometimes it wakes me up and sometimes the only way I know about it is when my husband tells me that I was talking again. I have even done some automatic writing. I am right handed and he writes with my left hand. Now I already know as I am typing this out that you are going to believe that I am totally bonkers and that is okay. If I had not have experienced this for myself I would probably be agreeing you.
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Hey, Bluedee! Welcome to the forums!
Now I already know as I am typing this out that you are going to believe that I am totally bonkers and that is okay. If I had not have experienced this for myself I would probably be agreeing you.
Ehh...imo you are pushing it (everyone talks in their sleep!), but you're showing some humility so that really takes guts. You also make some good points about how our worlds physical laws may not be the same as anothers. As long as you aren't telling us what these beings want and why we should obey the aliens (and drawing a crowd), I see no real harm.
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I must be one. I have never been able to fit in anywhere. Therefore, I am in this world, but I am not of this world.
I too feel that I'm not from this world. I've never fit in anywhere in this life. I don't even feel comfortitable with my family. I've always felt like I'm out side looking in at everyone else around me. The only person that was probably from my world was my Husband RIP. It's been several years now, but I'm still waiting for my Latent Super Powers to kick in! Hurry up Super powers, I'm not getting any younger! Obviously, staying young forever is not 1 of those elusive latent powers. Ya, I think my cousin, Superman lost my address. LOL....
Anyway, yes, I believe that there are other forms of life in the universe besides humans.
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Thank you falconner02... I'm really enjoying Fusioncash and the forum and looking forward to getting to know everyone. I'm still trying to figure everything out, but just give me time and I'll get the hang of it. Good thing is...I'm having fun while doing it. As to the discussion on aliens, I feel that you just have to allow people to believe whatever they believe. I have learned that sometimes you can do more harm than good when you try to take that away. I think a lot of people have made some very interesting post on this subject and looking forward to reading more.
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I agree with you 100 percent. I totally believe we are not alone in this world. I've never personally experienced anything myself, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in an extra life in our universe.
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personally, i think the universe is much too large for us to be the only inelliget life. what a waste of space. literally.
I agree completely!
If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. – George Carlin RIP
^_^
Aliens... are not real...other universes are
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Okay... At the very beginning of the bible, when God was creating Adam, he says "Let US make him in Our own image, in Our own likeness" These are plural words that are saying that he is talking with someone else. This would have to mean that there is someone or something else there....right? I have watched a lot of the Discovery channel and other programs that have validated the fact that their are and have been other beings among us. As a matter of fact, they were here before we were. Are we really so vain as to think that when God the great creator created us that we were just so perfect that he never created anything else? Do we think that our planet was the first planet that he ever made? Just because we cannot survive on a lot of the other planets doesn't mean that they can't. Also. don't you think that if everyone on this planet had an encounter with other beings that it would cause total pandemonium? And yes I have been contacted, and yes they do talk a different language. I have even spoken this language in my sleep. Sometimes it wakes me up and sometimes the only way I know about it is when my husband tells me that I was talking again. I have even done some automatic writing. I am right handed and he writes with my left hand. Now I already know as I am typing this out that you are going to believe that I am totally bonkers and that is okay. If I had not have experienced this for myself I would probably be agreeing you.
I was watching something on The history channel about Grim Reapers actually being aliens and they caused the black plague. Pretty interesting.
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personally, i think the universe is much too large for us to be the only inelliget life. what a waste of space. literally.
I agree completely!
If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. – George Carlin RIP
^_^
Aliens... are not real...other universes are
:P
Who are we to call another species of life living in another universe aliens?! scoff! We should be ashamed. lol :P
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/v5g6km.jpg)
I heard this book is really scary and freaked some people I know out when the stuff started happening.
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Okay... At the very beginning of the bible, when God was creating Adam, he says "Let US make him in Our own image, in Our own likeness" These are plural words that are saying that he is talking with someone else. This would have to mean that there is someone or something else there....right? I have watched a lot of the Discovery channel and other programs that have validated the fact that their are and have been other beings among us. As a matter of fact, they were here before we were. Are we really so vain as to think that when God the great creator created us that we were just so perfect that he never created anything else? Do we think that our planet was the first planet that he ever made? Just because we cannot survive on a lot of the other planets doesn't mean that they can't. Also. don't you think that if everyone on this planet had an encounter with other beings that it would cause total pandemonium? And yes I have been contacted, and yes they do talk a different language. I have even spoken this language in my sleep. Sometimes it wakes me up and sometimes the only way I know about it is when my husband tells me that I was talking again. I have even done some automatic writing. I am right handed and he writes with my left hand. Now I already know as I am typing this out that you are going to believe that I am totally bonkers and that is okay. If I had not have experienced this for myself I would probably be agreeing you.
I agree with you Bluedee. There are definitely "others" among us. I understand what you mean about the automatic writing and talking. I know of someone who does that. I have even been fortunate to have caught their craft in a picture I took of the Chem Trails back in October of this year. The people who don't believe there are other beings among us are in for a rude awakening. Those are the ones who will be running amok in the streets.
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Hello SCarter984. Nice to meet you... I would love meet your friend who does these things. Sometimes you wonder if you are the only one doing this and sometimes you feel as though it might be just all in your head or you will ask yourself if you are going a little crazy. The only thing that helped me when all of this began is that I also have a friend that talks. As for those who choose not to believe, I feel that you just have to allow each person to believe whatever they can deal with. I do feel that as time passes more and more evidence will come out and more and more people will be more open to what is really going on. But until then...to each his own.
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Didn't Jesus say he had others to gather? As in Aliens?
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Didn't Jesus say he had others to gather? As in Aliens?
Thats what I wanna know.
How do you know Jesus even said that?
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Didn't Jesus say he had others to gather? As in Aliens?
Thats what I wanna know.
How do you know Jesus even said that?
How do we know Jesus said anything? Nah really, it was something my very educated, high IQ, ex minister, atheist dad told me. He knows his stuff, is all I am gonna say.
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How do we know Jesus said anything?
Exactly. Thats what I'm saying.
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How do we know Jesus said anything?
Exactly. Thats what I'm saying.
That's why it's called faith and a belief.
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Is this story about aliens or catholic communion? Sometimes you can't tell by the title. Just wanted to know before I run out and get it. On topic though, there have been so many sightings lately and they seem to happen day after day, in one country or another. I really don't think all these people are "seeing" things they can't identify. Something is definitely up. Are you familiar with the Raelians? I have an e-book titled "Intelligent Design", which was written by the Raelian leader, who refers to himself as "Rael". This guy, a Frenchman, says he was taken up by the aliens and wrote about his experiences. He makes quite a few good points that I would have to agree with, but then he goes south, making this group just like another religion. I have a problem with "religion". I don't follow any of them, though I am a believer in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. So, I have decided to just wait and see. I don't think we have that long to wait.
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Hello SCarter984. Nice to meet you... I would love meet your friend who does these things. Sometimes you wonder if you are the only one doing this and sometimes you feel as though it might be just all in your head or you will ask yourself if you are going a little crazy. The only thing that helped me when all of this began is that I also have a friend that talks. As for those who choose not to believe, I feel that you just have to allow each person to believe whatever they can deal with. I do feel that as time passes more and more evidence will come out and more and more people will be more open to what is really going on. But until then...to each his own.
I will see if she wants to talk. She is quite private, but who knows... She is a scientist and a strong believer of things otherworldly.
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Is this story about aliens or catholic communion?
Aliens...it has got an alien on the cover. :D is that what you were referring to?
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I don't think we have that long to wait.
I agree, I think we are in the end times.
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Oh that would be great!!!! If she doesn't want to talk that is okay. No pressure. I do hope that she will though, as it would really be great to know that my friend and I are not alone. If she agrees to talk I can give her my phone number or email. Where is she from? I am from a very small town in TN. Where are you from? It is okay to say where we are from isn't it. I don't remember reading anything on it in the terms and conditions. I want to make sure that I am following the rules here.
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I don't think we have that long to wait.
I agree, I think we are in the end times.
Yes Marie, and thank you for the clairfication. :wave:
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I agree also. I truly believe that the days are numbered. If you just take a look around it seems as though everything as we have known is changing... Hello SCarter984, have you had the chance to talk to you friend yet? I do hope she will talk to me. Have a very blessed day everyone.
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I agree also. I truly believe that the days are numbered. If you just take a look around it seems as though everything as we have known is changing...
Just like every single day, month, year, century, era, etc. in mankinds history.
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I agree also. I truly believe that the days are numbered. If you just take a look around it seems as though everything as we have known is changing...
Just like every single day, month, year, century, era, etc. in mankinds history.
LOL, you honestly can't see it? I guess your one of those that think nothing will become of global warming and that global warming is not even real.
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I agree marieelissa... Very well put. Also, according to some of the things I have read and seen, the earth is also tilting on it's axis. There are new planets being discovered, I know right here where I live the weather is very different than I ever remember it being before. The signs are all around us.
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That is why I refuse to have kids. I may get out safely but I know they wouldn't.
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Also, according to some of the things I have read and seen, the earth is also tilting on it's axis. There are new planets being discovered, I know right here where I live the weather is very different than I ever remember it being before. The signs are all around us.
Seems like you've been watching The Day After Tomorrow too many times! lol jk read a weather almanac and let me know what you find about the weather in your area for the past 100+ years. Climates do shift every couple thousands of years and it may be happening now, but that (for certain) does not mean the end of the world. It just means change. In an "earth history" type of mindset, there's nothing too new going on. Be more worried about desertification caused by humans-- that can do a lot more damage.
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I GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU NEVER READ THIS ABOUT THE EGYPTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/alien_mummy.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/alien_mummy.htm)
Please read it or at least look at the picture on the page, it's short and it appeared on THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!!!!!!!
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Again I will repeat my first post. In the beginning, when God was creating Adam he said, let US create him in OUR own image, in OUR own likeness. The words us and our are plural words, so who or what was he talking to? Also, (just food for thought here) if God had to take a rib from Adam to make Eve, then what did he use to make Adam and where did it come from? If there was only Adam and Eve, and they had Cain and Able, when Cain took a wife, where did she come from? hmmm you think there just might have been life before us? As in life on some of the other planets that God had already created?
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Please read it or at least look at the picture on the page, it's short and it appeared on THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!!!!!!!
You're telling us to read this, but did you even READ the bottom of that page?
There are a myriad of cranial deformities which have been thoroughly cataloged by medical science, from Craniosynostosis (premature closing of one or more of the normally present bony gaps between the different bones of the skull) to Apert Syndrome (This deformity is extremely rare and very complex. It includes variations of many facial anomalies. Patients with Apert syndrome have bilateral coronal synostosis in combination with upper and midface retrusion), as well as Crouzon Syndrome, a rare congenital condition marked by craniosynostosis, exorbitism and midface retrusion. It affects one in 25,000 children. Patients with Crouzon's have very distinct facial features similar to Apert syndrome; This can include the enlarged cranium and bulging or out-set eyes due to distortion of the sockets.
For me it is somewhat of a leap to conclude that the above images feature an extra-terrestrial being, clearly encased, cataloged, examined and placed on display in some fashion with some unknown museum (as the images are clearly standard catalog photos of relics). There are dozens of medically recognized diseases which can explain the shape of the head. (A Real Audio/Video file of many varied cranial deformities corrected by modern plastic surgery can be seen here, One of which features a similar widening of the head and displacement of the eyes corrected in an interesting "morphing" shot. You must have Real Audio Player to see the video)
It should also be taken into consideration that the Egyptians were known to deliberately deform the natural contours and shape of the head from birth, using bindings and planks, to achieve an elongated skull proportion, which they regarded as aesthetically pleasing. When rational, earthly answers exist, extra-terrestrial answers are unwarranted.
I've seen many more oddly proportioned humans than this mummy. Saying it's an alien is just ridiculous.
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Again I will repeat my first post. In the beginning, when God was creating Adam he said, let US create him in OUR own image, in OUR own likeness. The words us and our are plural words, so who or what was he talking to? Also, (just food for thought here) if God had to take a rib from Adam to make Eve, then what did he use to make Adam and where did it come from? If there was only Adam and Eve, and they had Cain and Able, when Cain took a wife, where did she come from? hmmm you think there just might have been life before us? As in life on some of the other planets that God had already created
No disrespect, but mixing a belief in aliens with religious myth is really jumping far into the deep end.
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Again I will repeat my first post. In the beginning, when God was creating Adam he said, let US create him in OUR own image, in OUR own likeness. The words us and our are plural words, so who or what was he talking to? Also, (just food for thought here) if God had to take a rib from Adam to make Eve, then what did he use to make Adam and where did it come from? If there was only Adam and Eve, and they had Cain and Able, when Cain took a wife, where did she come from? hmmm you think there just might have been life before us? As in life on some of the other planets that God had already created?
he words us and our are plural words, so who or what was he talking to?
The genesis book is literally the Genesis of the bible, also almost everything in Genesis is vaguely explained just like the book of revelation. Anyway here's your answer!!!!
Job 38:7 reads When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
Verse 4 tells you that Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH/LORD made the earth and we all know that the Earth was made before us, so clearly the angels where there.
Who made man with Jehovah? Proverbs 8:22-30 goes into poetic detail how Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 went down.
if God had to take a rib from Adam to make Eve, then what did he use to make Adam and where did it come from?
He used the same thing he used to create the wild beasts or land animals DIRT!!!!!
Genesis 1:25 reads . 25 And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good.
The previous verse says "let the earth produce wild beasts"
Genesis 2:7 reads 7 And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.
when Cain took a wife, where did she come from?
Genesis 5:4 reads And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.
Cain got a distant relative of his, it sounds bad but then again we are ALL distant relatives.
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
The only experiences I have had are in my dreams.
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almost everything in Genesis is vaguely explained just like the book of revelation
He used the same thing he used to create the wild beasts or land animals DIRT!!!!!
Cain got a distant relative of his, it sounds bad but then again we are ALL distant relatives.
I now understand why you sport the inability to grasp basic sciences.
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
The only beings that exist before us was the angels. Ancient alien conspirators always try to tie the polytheistic cultures to meeting "aliens". Interestingly enough most if not all polytheistic cultures did NOT believe in angels.
May I ask what do you mean by cold shoulder? Did they give you the just have faith or believe line? If so I can give you half a dozen or more scriptures that contradict that.
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
The only beings that exist before us was the angels. Ancient alien conspirators always try to tie the polytheistic cultures to meeting "aliens". Interestingly enough most if not all polytheistic cultures did NOT believe in angels.
May I ask what do you mean by cold shoulder? Did they give you the just have faith or believe line? If so I can give you half a dozen or more scriptures that contradict that.
Tef, it sounds like you have a good grasp and meaning of the Torah, however, let me see if I understand all of what you said. You say that the only beings that existed before us were the angels. So does that mean that with all the planets in the universe, we are the only beings (outside of angels) that exist? If that is so, then you believe that all the other planets are uninhabited?
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
The only beings that exist before us was the angels. Ancient alien conspirators always try to tie the polytheistic cultures to meeting "aliens". Interestingly enough most if not all polytheistic cultures did NOT believe in angels.
May I ask what do you mean by cold shoulder? Did they give you the just have faith or believe line? If so I can give you half a dozen or more scriptures that contradict that.
Tef, it sounds like you have a good grasp and meaning of the Torah, however, let me see if I understand all of what you said. You say that the only beings that existed before us were the angels. So does that mean that with all the planets in the universe, we are the only beings (outside of angels) that exist? If that is so, then you believe that all the other planets are uninhabited?
I have a good foundation for most of the bible not just the torah, as for other life on planets although I disagree i'm open to read the "evidence" if they are any.
@falconor: FORMING LIFE OUT OF MATTER (Genesis 2:7)
In the physical world we live in almost everything is from dirt. Food, rocks, trees, glass, steel, metal, computers etc. Today man has been able to make a being in his own image to a degree from matter. We call that being robot.
I don't see how your first and third quotes of me fit into science.
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Thank you for taking the time to give all of those answers. You are the very first person who has ever even attempted to give any kind of answer. I have ask many people these questions when I was in the church world and most of the time got the cold shoulder. But with that being said I still have to go back to my own personal experiences that tell me that beings from other planets do exist and were here long before us. Has anyone else had any personal experiences?
The only beings that exist before us was the angels. Ancient alien conspirators always try to tie the polytheistic cultures to meeting "aliens". Interestingly enough most if not all polytheistic cultures did NOT believe in angels.
May I ask what do you mean by cold shoulder? Did they give you the just have faith or believe line? If so I can give you half a dozen or more scriptures that contradict that.
Tef, it sounds like you have a good grasp and meaning of the Torah, however, let me see if I understand all of what you said. You say that the only beings that existed before us were the angels. So does that mean that with all the planets in the universe, we are the only beings (outside of angels) that exist? If that is so, then you believe that all the other planets are uninhabited?
I have a good foundation for most of the bible not just the torah, as for other life on planets although I disagree i'm open to read the "evidence" if they are any.
@falconor: FORMING LIFE OUT OF MATTER (Genesis 2:7)
In the physical world we live in almost everything is from dirt. Food, rocks, trees, glass, steel, metal, computers etc. Today man has been able to make a being in his own image to a degree from matter. We call that being robot.
I don't see how your first and third quotes of me fit into science.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being? There is a lot of talk about sightings, even as recent as October of this year. Of course, you actually have to be present to determine what is being seen, but what other evidence would convince you?
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In the physical world we live in almost everything is from dirt. Food, rocks, trees, glass, steel, metal, computers etc Today man has been able to make a being in his own image to a degree from matter. We call that being robot.
What are you talking about? You're starting off with old ancient myths and concluding with robots now. Is it really that hard to get your head more than 2 inches away from your bible? Look, sorry to sound so offensive, but you'd learn a lot more about this world if you wouldn't constantly jump into your small religious bubble and act like you know what you're talking about when talking universals. "Oh there were angels before the earth was made. It's true. I know it." No. You don't. What it comes down to is that you have an old outdated rewritten book chock-full of fantasies and you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching. It would seem as if you're completely comfortable with the self-deception that comes along with your belief system.
I don't see how your first and third quotes of me fit into science.
That's the problem. You need logical explanations for these things if you're going to march around asserting that these myths are true to justify current events. Telling people that they were made from dust from some deity/spreading around the world through narrow incestuous breeding/ superiorly vague ideas about the future makes absolutely no sense. Rejecting reality and education in favor of asserting fantasy and allowing for the impossible (self-deception) is your only way to justify these beliefs.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being?
I always get a kick out of this- considering the religious believe in old myths, it would be logical to conclude that it wouldn't take too much evidence. But that's rarely the case. I'm sure that there will be some double-standard that will present itself.
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By cold shoulder I mean they would not look at me nor talk to me. I was asking too many questions that they obviously had no answers to. It was as if I was not even there. So I came out of the church world and began searching for my answers on my own. I feel that God and I are closer now than the entire time I was in any of the churches. I have found that if you truly down deep in your heart want to find the truth, you have to be able and willing to be open and ready to accept that truth even if it means wiping out everything you thought you knew. As I have said before, I have had a lot of personal experiences that I had to go through and that is what has brought me to believe the way I believe today. I do know the bible, I do know and love God. I am not a scientific person but I do know that even they are coming to the point where they are having to admit that there is and has been others besides just us. As I have also said before, I feel that we have to allow each person to believe whatever they can deal with. If I am wrong then I will find that out in time. If I am right, then those that don't believe will find that out in time. I am not trying to convince anyone to believe the way I do, only stating my own personal opinion. After all, feelings aren't right or wrong they just are. Each and every person has to find their own path in their own way.
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By cold shoulder I mean they would not look at me nor talk to me. I was asking too many questions that they obviously had no answers to. It was as if I was not even there. So I came out of the church world and began searching for my answers on my own. I feel that God and I are closer now than the entire time I was in any of the churches. I have found that if you truly down deep in your heart want to find the truth, you have to be able and willing to be open and ready to accept that truth even if it means wiping out everything you thought you knew. As I have said before, I have had a lot of personal experiences that I had to go through and that is what has brought me to believe the way I believe today. I do know the bible, I do know and love God. I am not a scientific person but I do know that even they are coming to the point where they are having to admit that there is and has been others besides just us. As I have also said before, I feel that we have to allow each person to believe whatever they can deal with. If I am wrong then I will find that out in time. If I am right, then those that don't believe will find that out in time. I am not trying to convince anyone to believe the way I do, only stating my own personal opinion. After all, feelings aren't right or wrong they just are. Each and every person has to find their own path in their own way.
I like you :thumbsup:
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Thank you. I like you too. :wave:
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That was very well put, Bluedee. Brought a tear to my eye! lol I am happy to hear you're so open on the subject of one finding their own path in life and that you can tell the difference of stating an opinion and being narrow and assertive. :thumbsup:
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In the physical world we live in almost everything is from dirt. Food, rocks, trees, glass, steel, metal, computers etc Today man has been able to make a being in his own image to a degree from matter. We call that being robot.
What are you talking about? You're starting off with old ancient myths and concluding with robots now. Is it really that hard to get your head more than 2 inches away from your bible? Look, sorry to sound so offensive, but you'd learn a lot more about this world if you wouldn't constantly jump into your small religious bubble and act like you know what you're talking about when talking universals. "Oh there were angels before the earth was made. It's true. I know it." No. You don't. What it comes down to is that you have an old outdated rewritten book chock-full of fantasies and you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching. It would seem as if you're completely comfortable with the self-deception that comes along with your belief system.
I don't see how your first and third quotes of me fit into science.
That's the problem. You need logical explanations for these things if you're going to march around asserting that these myths are true to justify current events. Telling people that they were made from dust from some deity/spreading around the world through narrow incestuous breeding/ superiorly vague ideas about the future makes absolutely no sense. Rejecting reality and education in favor of asserting fantasy and allowing for the impossible (self-deception) is your only way to justify these beliefs.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being?
I always get a kick out of this- considering the religious believe in old myths, it would be logical to conclude that it wouldn't take too much evidence. But that's rarely the case. I'm sure that there will be some double-standard that will present itself.
What are you talking about? You're starting off with old ancient myths and concluding with robots now.
1. When we die our bodies return to dust after we die, have you ever seen Egyptian corpses before? Although the body is still intact somewhat are they not as dirt?
Here's a "scientific" definition 0_0 "Decomposition is the reduction of bodies and other formerly living organisms into simpler forms of matter; and most particularly to the fate of the body, after death. The science which studies decomposition generally is called taphonomy". wordiq.com
2. Humans are greedy, surely they can make any place they want habitable and live there if they want. Yet they still can't inhabit Babylon, why is that? No matter how you interpret it something that was foretold thousands of years ago and still is unhabitated thousands of years later like the document said, A.K.A as the bible.
Ruins of Babylon:http://www.ldsteiner.com/Iraq/Maze-like%20passages%20in%20the%20ruins%20of%20Babylon.jpg (http://www.ldsteiner.com/Iraq/Maze-like%20passages%20in%20the%20ruins%20of%20Babylon.jpg)
Isaiah 13:19-20 READS 19 And Babylon, the decoration of kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chal·de′ans, must become as when God overthrew Sod′om and Go·mor′rah. 20 She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. And there the Arab will not pitch his tent, and no shepherds will let [their flocks] lie down there.
3. Robots are slowly becoming more and more human, I saw a video in which a robotic priest married 2 people. Robots is the closet thing humans can make in our own image in this world, they have a brain(CPU), they have senses(sensors), they can move, talk and communicate. Also some are smart enough to beat you at chess. They have veins(wires), there made from dirt(metal is made from dirt) , where do you think it came from after the complex formations of atom and molecules). They run on energy(electricity). C3PO or whatever that robot from star wars is called is not very far away. Falconer when you get a chance find a person who used to work for area 51 and ask them about what they're making, I guarantee that you will hear stuff straight out of star trek!!!!!!!!!!!
4. According to you we are so far advanced from our ancestors right? (which according to you are billions of years ago , I may be a few million or so years wrong), so by following your logic everything they did we should have no problem doing right?
Ok, explain to me structures like Stonehenge.
Explain to me this medical procedure THAT WASN'T KNOWN WITHOUT DIVINE INTERVENTION UNTIL 1954!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CPR)
MOUTH TO MOUTH RESUSCITATION
2 Kings 4:33-35 READS . 33 Then he came in and closed the door behind them both and began to pray to Jehovah. 34 Finally he went up and lay down upon the child and put his own mouth upon his mouth and his own eyes upon his eyes and his own palms upon his palms and kept bent over him, and gradually the child’s flesh grew warm. 35 Then he began walking again in the house, once this way and once that way, after which he went up and bent over him. And the boy began to sneeze as many as seven times, after which the boy opened his eyes.
ALCHEMY PUT TO SHAME
5. Explain to me how we can barely turn lead into gold which has almost the same properties as each other, yet a certain perfect man(also known as a hippy or a person who challenged the status quo to some) Turned water into wine which are 2 liquids that have VERY different properties. Of course this was also 1,000+ years before scientists tried turning something into another. Miracles to some people, magic to the proud new-age atheists, and advanced science to some people.
John 2:8-9 READS . 8 And he said to them: “Draw some out now and take it to the director of the feast.” So they took it. 9 When, now, the director of the feast tasted the water that had been turned into wine but did not know what its source was, although those ministering who had drawn out the water knew, the director of the feast called the bridegroom.
I'm not saying we are not more advanced then our ancestors, what i'm saying is if they can do some things that we can't do today or have trouble doing today, then we clearly have a limit on what we can do.
spreading around the world through narrow incestuous breeding.
Are you denying your own human race? If your great 20th or so grandparents lived on a certain continent, will you believe they're your distant relatives or will you just treat them like they're not your family and just a random human. Worse what if parts of your family separated over time(I know mine did it was one of the most horrible events in human history) and you meet someone of the opposite sex who was your family member but didn't know it??!!! Family runs deeper then just a last name, you be surprised how connected we are if you did some research in your own family tree.
Rejecting reality and education in favor of asserting fantasy and allowing for the impossible (self-deception) is your only way to justify these beliefs.
Do you even relies most of the stuff in movies especially science fiction movies are becoming more and more of a reality. Most of the gadgets we have now are very James bond are they not? I don't reject education, I just reject the notion of people wasting 10 to 20 years of their life trying to get a piece of paper that they're not going to use. Also if the person is not rich, they have to miraculously get 5 to 10 loans or post themselves into debt with loans that will take most if not their whole life to pay off. More important what's the environment like at campuses??!!!
What it comes down to is that you have an old outdated rewritten book chock-full of fantasies and you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching. It would seem as if you're completely comfortable with the self-deception that comes along with your belief system.
you're using it as a source for scientific research and teaching.
I do use it as a source of teaching, as for science I see the science application it has and I don't need a bunch of terms a child can't understand or resort to millions or billions of years.
Matthew 15:48-51 READS
48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.
What would you consider good evidence outside of actually seeing an extraterrestrial being? Something like the India Jones crystal skull or the star child skull, both I've seen albeit not in person. Although this may prove for me at least that gray's existed, this doesn't prove to me that they lived on another planet. So in order for me to believe Gray's lived on other planets , I will need proof that something "alien" have material that's from other planets and verified by falconer's science :P
@bluedee: I think people jumped to thinking you were doubting your faith instead of asking sincere questions. Most people don't know the difference between the two, I think all organized religion(most are not organized at all) are like this. Seems that your not into church or some other organized religion anymore, I think you should look at the heaven.net.nz forum, most if not all people there are not with any church and are pretty knowledgable about the bible as well, through I disagree with some.
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When we die our bodies return to dust after we die, have you ever seen Egyptian corpses before? Although the body is still intact somewhat are they not as dirt?
You're implying we came from dust through the hands of a deity though. It's common knowledge that dead things decompose. I can see it happen.
Yet they still can't inhabit Babylon, why is that?
A.) It's a historic site.
B.) Saddam Hussein had a palace built there in 1982. People lived in and around it.
C.) They're rebuilding it right now for tourism.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=atLz9wGyzdvE
3. Robots are slowly becoming more and more human
And we've been making robots that hardly resemble humans for how long now? They're tools. This ultimately is a weak argument to justify we're made in gods image. Ancient myth + robots = sci-fi fantasy genre. Not really a good argument.
I saw a video in which a robotic priest married 2 people.
Japan, right? lol
Falconer when you get a chance find a person who used to work for area 51 and ask them about what they're making, I guarantee that you will hear stuff straight out of star trek!!!!!!!!!!!
Not really. Just high-tech airplanes. My friend and I are into this type of stuff. You're just going to find cool airplanes with electrochromatic plating and some that can break the atmosphere height. You'll see some of these planes get declassified in the next decade. I wish I had this vid on it, but I can't find the bookmark.
2 Kings 4:33-35 READS . 33 Then he came in and closed the door behind them both and began to pray to Jehovah. 34 Finally he went up and lay down upon the child and put his own mouth upon his mouth and his own eyes upon his eyes and his own palms upon his palms and kept bent over him, and gradually the child’s flesh grew warm. 35 Then he began walking again in the house, once this way and once that way, after which he went up and bent over him. And the boy began to sneeze as many as seven times, after which the boy opened his eyes.
This is yet ANOTHER example of creationists using the bible to justify current ideas. This sounds like John Coffee in "The Green Mile" more than it does cpr. You'd think they'd have an explanation of how it works, but nope! That would benefit society a little too much. How convenient.
Turned water into wine which are 2 liquids that have VERY different properties. Of course this was also 1,000+ years before scientists tried turning something into another. Miracles to some people, magic to the proud new-age atheists, and advanced science to some people.
I'm not saying we are not more advanced then our ancestors, what i'm saying is if they can do some things that we can't do today or have trouble doing today, then we clearly have a limit on what we can do.
I doubt all magic in the bible. You should too if you have the ability to think critically. And we do have limits obviously, but that's why science endlessly tries to heighten those limits. Religion just makes one believe in fantasies without any proof of these supernatural/mythological events.
Family runs deeper then just a last name, you be surprised how connected we are if you did some research in your own family tree.
My point on this was incest produces bad results. Saying we're all products of a massive line of incest is just that-- retarded.
Do you even relies most of the stuff in movies especially science fiction movies are becoming more and more of a reality. Most of the gadgets we have now are very James bond are they not? I don't reject education, I just reject the notion of people wasting 10 to 20 years of their life trying to get a piece of paper that they're not going to use. Also if the person is not rich, they have to miraculously get 5 to 10 loans or post themselves into debt with loans that will take most if not their whole life to pay off. More important what's the environment like at campuses??!!!
1.) I agree. The new Iphones are practically Star Trek tricorders. Cool stuff. Made with SCIENCE!
2.) "Wasting" 10 to 20 years of your life in order to better the health or standard of living for hundreds/thousands/millions of others is not a waste. The money isn't either! lol
3.) Yeah going deep in debt with no end-backup plan is risky and usually stupid when you want to gain material posessions. But that's America for ya. The world? Not so much.
4.) Depending on the school, campus life rocks.
I don't need a bunch of terms a child can't understand or resort to millions or billions of years
Okay...then you should avoid science altogether when talking religion.
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That was very well put, Bluedee. Brought a tear to my eye! lol I am happy to hear you're so open on the subject of one finding their own path in life and that you can tell the difference of stating an opinion and being narrow and assertive. :thumbsup:
Thank you and my apologies...I didn't mean to make you cry...lol
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By cold shoulder I mean they would not look at me nor talk to me. I was asking too many questions that they obviously had no answers to. It was as if I was not even there. So I came out of the church world and began searching for my answers on my own. I feel that God and I are closer now than the entire time I was in any of the churches. I have found that if you truly down deep in your heart want to find the truth, you have to be able and willing to be open and ready to accept that truth even if it means wiping out everything you thought you knew. As I have said before, I have had a lot of personal experiences that I had to go through and that is what has brought me to believe the way I believe today. I do know the bible, I do know and love God. I am not a scientific person but I do know that even they are coming to the point where they are having to admit that there is and has been others besides just us. As I have also said before, I feel that we have to allow each person to believe whatever they can deal with. If I am wrong then I will find that out in time. If I am right, then those that don't believe will find that out in time. I am not trying to convince anyone to believe the way I do, only stating my own personal opinion. After all, feelings aren't right or wrong they just are. Each and every person has to find their own path in their own way.
I am in total agreement with you Bluedee. There are a lot of things we were taught to believe from the church and through society as well. However, just because they taught it does not mean that it is true. One must find their own personal truth; what feels good to them and what resonates in their soul. Finding your own path is the only way to go, yet you still must be open enough to listen. Then take the path that feels right to you.
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I absolutly do believe in aliens.
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I absolutly do believe in aliens.
WOW!
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I agree, I mean its kind of arrogant to think that for as vast as the universe is that we're the only intelligent life forms?? Really? I don't think so. Besides, according to astronomical studies Earth is basically a baby compared to several of the other planets and solar systems in the universe.
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alien doesnt exist... is just a myth
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alien doesnt exist... is just a myth
Just like medicines curing illnesses and the earth being round I suppose...
An article that just may open your mind to the realm of possibility:
http://kepler.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=98
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I agree, I mean its kind of arrogant to think that for as vast as the universe is that we're the only intelligent life forms?? Really? I don't think so. Besides, according to astronomical studies Earth is basically a baby compared to several of the other planets and solar systems in the universe.
Other planets and solar systems of which no intelligent life has been discovered. I'm not saying it isn't possible, I am saying that with all of our technology and attempts at discovering any such thing has resulted in ZILCH. There is reason for that and the reason is that it is highly unlikely. I don't think it's arrogant at all, I think it means that when God created man in his image and so amazingly fine tuned our planet to support life, he meant it to be just for us. I wonder why so many people like to diminish their privileged status of existing by claiming to come from bacteria and claiming that aliens not only exist but somehow created life in the first place. It sounds ridiculous to the extreme in my opinion.
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I think that there are aliens. Why do we think that we are the only beings in this world? You have to think out of the box. We are not alone. :dontknow:
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I agree, I mean its kind of arrogant to think that for as vast as the universe is that we're the only intelligent life forms?? Really? I don't think so. Besides, according to astronomical studies Earth is basically a baby compared to several of the other planets and solar systems in the universe.
ridiculous?? Really? This is the arrogant, selfish, close minded thinking I'm talking about. I mean come one - compared to the entire universe - the milky way galaxy as a whole is a single grain of sand. We've only traveled as far as our moon. The only even robotics we've sent further - is one to Mars, and one to Saturn to TRY to get to the surface or center & didn't make it even 1/4th of the way there. And if we were the only life forms God created in the entire universe - then why create anymore of the universe outside of our solar system?? There are new solar systems forming even today - there are solar systems that have been around for several billions of years longer than our own. My point is we haven't been outside of our own solar system to explore to be able to find anything else - our technology isn't advanced enough yet. So why is it so hard to believe that there are other life forms out there?? I'm not saying other humans, but other intelligent life forms period.
Even on our own planet - we're still discovering life forms & species that we never knew existed - does that mean that just because we haven't discovered it yet - they don't exist??
Other planets and solar systems of which no intelligent life has been discovered. I'm not saying it isn't possible, I am saying that with all of our technology and attempts at discovering any such thing has resulted in ZILCH. There is reason for that and the reason is that it is highly unlikely. I don't think it's arrogant at all, I think it means that when God created man in his image and so amazingly fine tuned our planet to support life, he meant it to be just for us. I wonder why so many people like to diminish their privileged status of existing by claiming to come from bacteria and claiming that aliens not only exist but somehow created life in the first place. It sounds ridiculous to the extreme in my opinion.
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So why is it so hard to believe that there are other life forms out there??
I'll give you a few quotes from a book I have read:
Unfortunately, people see life as being easy to create. They think it's enough merely to have liquid water, because they see life as an epiphenomenon--just a piece of slime mold growing on an inert piece of granite. Actually, the Earth's geology and biology interact very tightly with each other. You can't think of life as being independent of the geophysical and meteorological processes of the planet. They interact in a very intimate way. So you need not only the right chemicals for life but also a planetary environment that's tuned to life.
Earth's location, its size, its composition, its structure, its atmosphere, its temperature, its internal dynamics, and its many intricate cycles that are essential to life--the carbon cycle, the oxygen cycle, the nitrogen cycle, the phosphorous cycle, the sulfur cycle, the calcium cycle, the sodium cycle, and so on--testify to the degree to which our planet is exquisitely and precariously balanced.
The book, Rare Earth, marshals evidence from a wide range of scientific disciplines to build its case that "not only intelligent life, but even the simplest of animal life, is exceedingly rare in our galaxy and in the universe." The conclusion is "inescapable" that "Earth is a rare place indeed." Case for a Creator
Potential aliens in other galaxies are too far away to detect our presence (since radio signals will not reach them for millions of years) and the travel times make intergalactic travel impractical. Recent scientific studies demonstrate that the universe is much less hospitable to life than it would seem from our unique Solar System and planet. A large proportion of our galaxy is uninhabitable. Parts of it would not even be expected to produce rocky planets. The highly unlikely collision that produced our large moon prevented the earth from being a waterworld.5 It also ejected the majority of our primordial atmosphere, which prevented the earth from going through a runaway greenhouse effect similar to what happened to Venus, our sister planet. Finally, our Solar System is unique in that it has large gas giants located only in the outer regions. Other systems discovered have gas giants located either near their star or in both inner and outer regions of their planetary system. The presence of gas giants near the star would eject any rocky planets from orbit. The presence of gas giants in the outer region of planetary systems is absolutely necessary for the survival of advanced life forms. Without Jupiter, the number of catastrophic collisions that the earth would experience would be at least 10,000 times greater. So instead of suffering massive species extinction events every 100 million years, the earth would experience these events every 10,000 years.6 Only bacteria and other simple life forms would be able to survive this kind of bombardment - no advanced life could ever form in the vast majority of planetary systems. These problems indicate that there would be no more than 150 advanced civilizations within our galaxy - and, more likely, we are completely alone in our galaxy.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/ufo.html
And if we were the only life forms God created in the entire universe - then why create anymore of the universe outside of our solar system??
The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen.9 Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/universe_too_large.html
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I'm not saying that its easy to create life. But even as primitive as we (humans) still are - we are able to take DNA and create life. Whether it be cloning or artificial insemination, surrogacy ... why is it so far fetched for a more advance civilization to be able to. The Earth is roughly 4 billion years old, The human race has only been around for about 50,000 years, and only had the ability to create documentation for 5,000. These are rough figures, that aren't precise because I can't remember exactly (its been a while). Besides the fact, there have been times that the Earth has been "re-made" within its five cycles (2012 is supposed to be the 5th cycle). Also, humans only really use about 10% of our brains ability - who knows what we could accomplish if we used the other 90%.
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I'm not saying that its easy to create life. But even as primitive as we (humans) still are - we are able to take DNA and create life. Whether it be cloning or artificial insemination, surrogacy ... why is it so far fetched for a more advance civilization to be able to.
Okay first, we as "primitives" cannot create DNA. When life is created in a lab it already has the ingredients with which to work. Second, the fact that so many factors exist for our planet to host life makes it less likely that just any planet can host life.
Furthermore why is it MORE far fetched to believe that God created the vast expanse of the universe for his own enjoyment and specifically meant for the Earth to be specially designed as the ONLY place for intelligent life? I think people want to believe in aliens for mystery and entertainment. I really want to believe in the Irish Faeries too, it's such a magical and fun concept but it's not likely to be true. The truth is that no evidence has ever been found of ETI.
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First off - I never said it was easy to CREATE DNA - I said that we can TAKE DNA & CREATE LIFE.
Secondly - who says living creatures can ONLY survive in OUR ideal living environment? On our own planet we have life forms & species that exist in some of the most extreme of environments that we as humans cannot live. And who's to say that a different type of being's (not human) molecular structure has to be even nearly the same as humans? Or that it would need the same elements to survive?
And again - just because we haven't found evidence of it automatically means it doesn't exist. That's pretty closed minded. What about the evidence that some planets have changed and could at one time have sustained life - there's evidence of that on even Mars. Besides - we haven't been able to actually explore any more of the universe - barely even been able to explore our own galaxy.
Why does it have to be for mystery and entertainment to think for as vast as the universe is & we haven't even explored a fraction of it that there's the possibility of other life forms? After all - there are things here on Earth that cannot be explained why or how they were created in such a way. Like the Great pyramids - they had NO technology - so how did they line them up PERFECTLY to the constellation Orion? Same with the Mayan Temples. How did the Mayans have such an intricate knowledge of the Earth, the Sun, and the Solar System much of which wasn't proven for centuries later?? For ex. How did they know the Earth was round & how did they know the lay-out of our solar system when they had no way of seeing or learning about it & before scientists knew the same information??? Besides that there are several other structures on/ within the Earth that can only be seen "whole" from high altitudes - when they had no way of getting up there to know what they were doing or if they were doing it right?? What about the mountain top that was COMPLETELY leveled & is the equivalent of our modern day landing strips? How did it get PERFECTLY level & where did the rocks go? can't be from simple erosion - its too precise & with erosion there's usually the answer of where did it go - but not there its not.
Those are just things on our own planet that cannot be explained. But I guess you believe the Sumerians & their Tablets of Creation, and their knowledge and/or writings of the Annunaki - are all a hoax too?
Tell ya what - check this link out, oh and keep in mind - its a Minister - very religious Godly man who has spent Several years studying the Bible, but has also been open minded enough to study the findings regarding the Sumerians & The Tablets of Creation - who wrote this:
http://sabbathrock.com/tablets.aspx
Otherwise - I agree with a previous comment that if we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE - that's aiming pretty low...... especially for a God who is so capable... But that's Just my opinion though.
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And who's to say that a different type of being's (not human) molecular structure has to be even nearly the same as humans? Or that it would need the same elements to survive?
Science fiction writers have speculated about extra terrestrial life that's built in a radically different form--for instance silicon instead of carbon (what makes life here on earth possible)
Guillermo Gonzales PHD (Degree in physics doctorate in astronomy) says "No that just won't work. Chemistry is one of the better understood areas of science. We know that you just can't get certain atoms to stick together in sufficient number and complexity to give you large molecules like carbon can. You can't get around it. And you just can't get other types of liquids to dissolve as many different kinds of chemicals as you can with water. There's something like half a dozen different properties of both water and carbon that are optimal for life. Nothing else comes close. Silicon falls far short of carbon."
And again - just because we haven't found evidence of it automatically means it doesn't exist. That's pretty closed minded.
I didn't say that, I said it was highly unlikely.
Why does it have to be for mystery and entertainment to think for as vast as the universe is & we haven't even explored a fraction of it that there's the possibility of other life forms?
Aliens are a very interesting and entertaining concept. Thus the billions of dollars made through writing, talking, and making movies about them. It's fun to speculate that other forms of life exist somewhere out amongst the stars.
Otherwise - I agree with a previous comment that if we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE - that's aiming pretty low...... especially for a God who is so capable... But that's Just my opinion though.
Ummmm I guess I just don't hold humanity in that low of a regard. God dwelt among his creation in flesh and was crucified.....for me, for all people. I think that that kind of love and passion for his creation shows how important we are to him and I don't think it's dismissible due the fact that we are "primitive". I don't know your exact religious beliefs but obviously I am Christian and that is where I'm coming from.
As for the link you shared, it is wonderfully interesting no doubt! But it is one mans interpretation of a portion of biblical history. I'm not saying it isn't true, but based on what science knows about the laws of physics and chemistry, it is highly unlikely for any other intelligent life to exist in our universe. It's not impossible, just not likely.
But quite honestly, I don't care if there are aliens. It makes no bearing on my life other than that, a violent higher advanced life form coming to our planet and wreaking havoc would ruin my day :thumbsup:
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In my opinion the evidence shows that UFOs are real, of alien origin, and interacting with humans. I am turning 30 on March 7th and I have been looking deeply into both sides of this issue since I was in the 2nd grade. Here is some material that I strongly suggest taking a look at.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307716848
Here is a great piece she wrote for MSNBC.
Skeptic misses point behind UFO book - Solid sightings cited in ‘UFOs’; serious investigation needed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38977500/ns/technology_and_science-space/
The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.
http://disclosureproject.org/
Here are two great films by James Fox.
UFO Coverup Documentary - Out Of The Blue Part 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZpRcTBwdA
I know what i saw 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nItzZrEkCI
After 50 years of study and investigation, nuclear physicist Stanton T. Friedman has summarized his views about flying saucers. He is convinced that the evidence is overwhelming that some UFOs are intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, that the subject represents a Cosmic Watergate, that there are no good objections to these conclusions, and that flying saucer reality and its cover-up is the biggest story of the past millennium.
Stanton T. Friedman Presents Flying Saucers and Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn8OIkYwAro
http://stantonfriedman.com/
Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens by John E. Mack
http://www.amazon.com/Abduction-Encounters-Aliens-John-Mack/dp/0345393007
From Booklist:
Mack's credentials are impressive; he's a Pulitzer Prize winner and professor of psychiatry at the Harvard Medical School's Cambridge Hospital. He has investigated 76 UFO abduction cases over the past four years and here summarizes 13 of them, also offering his scholarly comments and controversial conclusions. These narratives involve scenarios that are sexually explicit, terrifyingly gruesome, and mind-numbingly chilling in their implications for the nature of reality. The individuals Mack portrays have experienced deeply traumatic events that have transformed their lives--for the worse at first, but ultimately for the better. According to Mack, the aliens are objectively real and seem to be abducting people for two purposes: (1) changing human consciousness to prevent the destruction of Earth's ecosystems and (2) creating offsping from aliens and humans. What sets Mack's book apart is his willingness to deal with some of his clients' assertions that they themselves are half-human and half-alien, at least psychologically or spiritually; his acceptance that the laws of physics can be broken (many abductees claim that the aliens can "float" them through solid objects such as doors and closed windows); his seemingly routine procedure to hypnotically regress abductees into previous incarnations; and his emphasis on spiritual transformation as the nexus of the abduction (even likening it to a shamanic expansion of consciousness). How much you agree with all this may depend on where you're coming from to begin with. Nonetheless, Mack has shown the psychiatric community that the UFO abduction syndrome is a real problem that deserves serious clinical attention.