If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, do you still celebrate Christmas?

[falcon9]

... we do know the reason for the season is Jesus and his birth

"Christian missionaries frequently sought to stamp out pagan practices by building churches on the sites of pagan shrines or by associated Christian holidays with pagan rituals (eg. linking -Christmas with the celebration of the winter solstice)."--Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia. Merriam Webster. 2000. p. 1211

all i can say is it drives me nuts when people com plane that cause they don't believe in Christ that people should happy holidays i don't think so if you don't believe in Christ the make your holiday on new years leave Christmas alone. 

Since "christmas" is a theft of pre-existing pagan holidays, it's ironic when people complain about fencing stolen culture.

Ya duh Ya duh Ya duh!  *Yawn*  The same ole answers over and over.......  but if it makes you happy........ carry on.   

It's the same answer to the same 'question' since the facts haven't 'magically-changed' for the supporters of cultural theft.

[Falconer02]

That last page was hilarious. Sammy starts pulling the victim card and making Falcon9 seem cruel ("You hate me! You want me to kill myself!" ) whereas all he does is answer them with basic logical answers of what's going on. I detected no cruelty.

Sammy-- this is DEBATE and DISCUSS. If you can't put your petty emotions aside and want to take everything personally (to the level of absurdity), you probably shouldn't be here (unless you're purposely doing it-- then we have an internet-troll problem). I'm not telling you to leave or anything, but if you're going to needlessly act like you're being harrassed when being debated in a debate forum, you're going to get called on the hypocrisy. I am by no means trying to be cruel here, but what I read from you just sounded childish. Seriously, reread your posts.

[falcon9]

That last page was hilarious. Sammy starts pulling the victim card and making Falcon9 seem cruel ("You hate me! You want me to kill myself!" ) whereas all he does is answer them with basic logical answers of what's going on. I detected no cruelty.

Apparently, challenging baseless opinions can be considered as "cruel", eh?  If you noticed what you obviously have, you probably also noticed that "Sammy" didn't bother responding to refutations of their 'opinions', that they resorted to 'attacking' with false accusations instead?  Regardless, it could be discerned that "Sammy" declined to have their cherished beliefs challenged after posting them in the D+D forum.

Sammy-- this is DEBATE and DISCUSS. If you can't put your petty emotions aside and want to take everything personally (to the level of absurdity), you probably shouldn't be here (unless your purposely doing it-- then we have an internet-troll problem). I'm not telling you to leave or anything, but if you're going to needlessly act like you're being harrassed when being debated in a debate forum, you're going to get called on the hypocrisy. I am by no means trying to be cruel here, but what I read from you just sounded childish. Seriously, reread your posts.

Okay, that last sentence, ("Seriously, reread your posts"), was perhaps unintentionally cruel to "Sammy" - given the almost inarticulate nature of those posts.  Shame on you, Falc, "Sammy" might threaten you with a restraining order too now.

[queenofnines]

this is simple reality folks.. if pple dont celebrate jesus birthday they celebrate a fake fat man with a beard saying ho ho ho...

There is more than two ways to eat a Reese's...come on, are you really that simple‐minded that you think all situations operate in black or white?  What about people who don't partake in the seasonal madness at all (like me)?  Does Hanukkah or Kwanzaa ring a bell?  Yep, things are definitely not "god's way or the highway" when it comes to what people choose to do on the 25th day of December (which is not your pal Jesus's birthday anyway; we've been over this a million times).

why celebrate a fake fat man with a beard???

Last time I checked, Santa is a fun, optional tradition for kids, and Jesus is Santa for adults.   

[jcribb16]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused.  That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet.  Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy.   And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

[sammywantsya]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused.  That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet.  Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy.   And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

thank you ...

[sammywantsya]

this is simple reality folks.. if pple dont celebrate jesus birthday they celebrate a fake fat man with a beard saying ho ho ho...

There is more than two ways to eat a Reese's...come on, are you really that simple‐minded that you think all situations operate in black or white?  What about people who don't partake in the seasonal madness at all (like me)?  Does Hanukkah or Kwanzaa ring a bell?  Yep, things are definitely not "god's way or the highway" when it comes to what people choose to do on the 25th day of December (which is not your pal Jesus's birthday anyway; we've been over this a million times).

why celebrate a fake fat man with a beard???

Last time I checked, Santa is a fun, optional tradition for kids, and Jesus is Santa for adults.   

yes finally someone gets me but i understand what you saying too.. 

[falcon9]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused. 

On the contrary, every unsupported opinion posted thus far by "believers" has been refuted as baseless.  That is the spirit of debate itself.

That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

To reiterate, refuting a specious point is not the same as ignoring a specious point.  They're specious because they're speculative opinions and that's what's being debated.

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet. 

Which particular science are you referring to?  Evolution?  

Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy. 

As previously indicated, there is a substantive difference between an unsupported opinion and a supported one.  The "courtesy" to discuss and debate both exist in the D+D forum.  What's 'discourteous' is when those holding unsupported opinions try to characterize opposing views as discourteous.

And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

It isn't "going after them", it's going after a publically-posted specious 'belief'; which is within the context of debating in the D+D forum.

[jcribb16]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused.  That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet.  Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy.   And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

You're welcome.  Been there to the point of it being ridiculous.  I've been struggling with some major asthma/bronchial issues for quite some time now and realized getting well (still working on) is so much more important than going in circles with a certain one or two in here who really don't care to actually talk about these issues. 

thank you ...

[falcon9]

Been there to the point of it being ridiculous. 

Actually, you actively participated until the point where it boiled-down to unsupported 'faith' and then bailed.

...so much more important than going in circles with a certain one or two in here who really don't care to actually talk about these issues. 

A large number of substantive replies in more thaan one thread contradicts your contention that "a certain one or two in here who really don't care to actually talk about these issues".  Such false characterizations in the face of evidence to the contrary shouldn't need to be emphasized but, they apparently do when the practice continues unabated.

[sammywantsya]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused.  That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet.  Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy.   And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

You're welcome.  Been there to the point of it being ridiculous.  I've been struggling with some major asthma/bronchial issues for quite some time now and realized getting well (still working on) is so much more important than going in circles with a certain one or two in here who really don't care to actually talk about these issues. 

thank you ...

i feel the same way.... hope you get better and stay strong... lets make money

[jcribb16]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused. 

On the contrary, every unsupported opinion posted thus far by "believers" has been refuted as baseless.  That is the spirit of debate itself.

That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

To reiterate, refuting a specious point is not the same as ignoring a specious point.  They're specious because they're speculative opinions and that's what's being debated.

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet. 

Which particular science are you referring to?  Evolution?  

Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy. 

As previously indicated, there is a substantive difference between an unsupported opinion and a supported one.  The "courtesy" to discuss and debate both exist in the D+D forum.  What's 'discourteous' is when those holding unsupported opinions try to characterize opposing views as discourteous.

And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

It isn't "going after them", it's going after a publically-posted specious 'belief'; which is within the context of debating in the D+D forum.

You are still going in circles.  You are not debating - you are refuting anything that to you is "unsupported," "baseless," "specious points," etc.   That is not being open to reason, which you will say is unreasonable because those refutes are not reason.   You continue on with your circular refutes - I was just trying to help out a couple of posters, so they could maybe understand a little more about what to expect in some of these threads with regard to Christianity vs. non-christianity, Atheism, non-believers, and with certain ones who make it difficult to discuss things openly and maturely.  I don't feel like continuing with you, nor do I care to, until I am more up to par health-wise.

[jcribb16]

Been there to the point of it being ridiculous. 

Actually, you actively participated until the point where it boiled-down to unsupported 'faith' and then bailed.



No sir, my health problems got bad and I had to prioritize.

[jcribb16]

There is no debate and discuss when one side consistently overrides the other side by refusing to acknowledge even their opinions.  People are interested in learning, asking questions, researching, and discussing topics.  However, especially with any of the religious topics, everything the posters, who are believers, respond, it is always refused.  That's not debating one side with the other.  It's ignoring their points because the points aren't necessarily PROVEN FACTS. 

Your views of a particular science is just a theory - not ALL things have been proven yet.  Both sides need to be mature and open enough to talk or just give an opinion.  Sadly, some don't return the courtesy.   And it seems to be the norm, especially with young Christians or new people who are Christians, who are simply answering the topic question with their own belief or opinion.  There's no need going after them like that.

You're welcome.  Been there to the point of it being ridiculous.  I've been struggling with some major asthma/bronchial issues for quite some time now and realized getting well (still working on) is so much more important than going in circles with a certain one or two in here who really don't care to actually talk about these issues. 

thank you ...

i feel the same way.... hope you get better and stay strong... lets make money

Thank you very much.

[sammywantsya]

You are still going in circles.  You are not debating - you are refuting anything that to you is "unsupported," "baseless," "specious points," etc.   That is not being open to reason, which you will say is unreasonable because those refutes are not reason.   You continue on with your circular refutes - I was just trying to help out a couple of posters, so they could maybe understand a little more about what to expect in some of these threads with regard to Christianity vs. non-christianity, Atheism, non-believers, and with certain ones who make it difficult to discuss things openly and maturely.  I don't feel like continuing with you, nor do I care to, until I am more up to par health-wise.
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thank you for trying to help and realize on what to expect in here and i am very appreciative about it.. im just gonna ignore em and hopefully you can rest a bit... as i have already did im done with them for good get better ^^

these guys dont even recognized your health issues and saying you bailed....  such egomaniacs tho.. fo real...