Thank you

[falcon9]

yadda...yadda & whatever...

Summarily, "whatever" and "yada yada" are the tacit cry of surrender when the cryer is losing an argument.

What argument? 

The one being avoided however, it's common when the cryer fails to make their point as well.

[jcribb16]

Tigerlilly,

I'm glad your father is somewhat better and in good spirits, and is home.  I will continue praying for your mom and dad; as well as you and your brother.  Care giving is not easy and I know you two get tired.  Take care of yourselves, too.  Please continue to keep us updated.  {{Hugs}}

[jcribb16]

Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least!  You were simply asking prayer for your family. 

[falcon9]

Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least!  You were simply asking prayer for your family. 

Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject?  No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.

[jcribb16]

Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least!  You were simply asking prayer for your family. 

Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject?  No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.

Knock it off, Falcon9.  Please take your problems with controversy to another thread.  This thread is a thank you for ones praying for her parents.  And before you tell me that you can post anywhere you want for whatever reason, it's true, but it's a lack of respect for the original poster.

[falcon9]

Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least!  You were simply asking prayer for your family. 

Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject?  No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.

Knock it off, Falcon9.  Please take your problems with controversy to another thread. 

Right back atcha.   

This thread is a thank you for ones praying for her parents.  And before you tell me that you can post anywhere you want for whatever reason, it's true, but it's a lack of respect for the original poster.[/color]

I wasn't the one who brought up "controversy" however, I did reply to that context.  Also, in case you 'conveniently forgot', I also posted 'Out of respect for what the OP is going through, I'll direct my replies to you in other threads, (unless you want to 'go on the carpet' here instead)', a little down-thread.  Since you did decide to 'go on the carpet', I replied, (but I'm not cleaning that up).

[jcribb16]

[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....

tigerlilly...  The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget".     

You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"?  Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.

Yet you are the one who came in and picked up with the controversy, with this post.

[falcon9]

Yet you are the one who came in and picked up with the controversy, with this post.

Incorrect.  That was the OP, "tigerlilly", as her previous post mentions, (as far as it not being her intent).

[tigerlilly01]

I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9.  It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain.  It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer.  One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD!   I forgive you and have no ill feelings toward you.  I do PRAY for you .... that one day before it is too late you will come to know My Lord and Savior and know that he does answer prayer and that he does love you.  It is not my wish to stir up controversy ... I truly believe in the power of prayer and my family is going through a horrible time.  I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond. 

God Bless 

[jordandog]

t'lilly01,
I'm glad things have turned around a bit for you. I respectfully stayed away from posting in the prayer thread after it took a downhill turn. I am not a christian, which you, jcribb, sherlysshadow, and the other 'regulars' around here know, so I did not pray for you, but I did keep you and your family in my thoughts.

As far as being requested to pray goes, FC is NO different then being at work and having my patient's families ask if I will pray with or for them.  I simply say something to the effect of "Thank you for including me, but I feel that is a private time/moment for you and I have many other tools in my box that I'm using to help your child, brother, father, etc." I either leave the room if able or ask them to use the chapel if I need to be with the family member at the time. I have never, and will never, discourage or berate them when the subject comes up. When dealing with the very real possibility of death, I feel I have NO business discouraging anything (outside of the family deciding to play doctor ) that will give them comfort and strength when they need it. I have hundreds of stories re the sometimes very strange things I have witnessed that people honestly believe will help. As long as they are NOT infringing on my and my nurses ability to treat, it all goes.

(I have gotten into it with a certain christian person who is no longer here, but it was when things became personal jabs and misconstruing/taking out of context my actual words - or arguing against facts, not theories.)

So, I will continue to keep you in my thoughts and whatever gives you comfort is what you need to do, end of.

[friendlione]

I am glad to hear that your father has come home, and it sounds like you're looking forward to his passing, when the time comes, with a good, healthy attitude.  My father-in-law lived with us for three months before he passed, and that was an amazing time of getting to know him.  It was humbling for all of us, and it was precious--very difficult at times, too.  All that I can say is lean heavily on your faith during the hard times, and stand strong in what you know to be true, regardless of what others might say.  I'll keep you in my prayers!

[jcribb16]

t'lilly01,
I'm glad things have turned around a bit for you. I respectfully stayed away from posting in the prayer thread after it took a downhill turn. I am not a christian, which you, jcribb, sherlysshadow, and the other 'regulars' around here know, so I did not pray for you, but I did keep you and your family in my thoughts.

As far as being requested to pray goes, FC is NO different then being at work and having my patient's families ask if I will pray with or for them.  I simply say something to the effect of "Thank you for including me, but I feel that is a private time/moment for you and I have many other tools in my box that I'm using to help your child, brother, father, etc." I either leave the room if able or ask them to use the chapel if I need to be with the family member at the time. I have never, and will never, discourage or berate them when the subject comes up. When dealing with the very real possibility of death, I feel I have NO business discouraging anything (outside of the family deciding to play doctor ) that will give them comfort and strength when they need it. I have hundreds of stories re the sometimes very strange things I have witnessed that people honestly believe will help. As long as they are NOT infringing on my and my nurses ability to treat, it all goes.

(I have gotten into it with a certain christian person who is no longer here, but it was when things became personal jabs and misconstruing/taking out of context my actual words - or arguing against facts, not theories.)

So, I will continue to keep you in my thoughts and whatever gives you comfort is what you need to do, end of.

You are always respectful of others and their choices, and have been ever since I joined FC.

 ( I do know what you are speaking of way back, and to be honest, it even got hard for me, because I didn't agree in going overboard.  I supported some, but after awhile, backed off, because I had gotten to the point where I couldn't support the overboard part of it. )

Much of that changed the tone in some threads, and I had to take a break from it.  Then my health issues worsened and I'm still not right.  I have really missed some of the conversations we used to have, and I honestly respect your vocation and what you and your nurses do to help other people to cope with certain health problems and/or issues.  What you all do and how you do it, helps in so many ways - thank you, again, for what you do.

[falcon9]

I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9. 

I am sorry that you misundertood them through the miasma of your 'faith' while proceding to make "disrepectful comments" which do not conform to your particular religious faith.
 

It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain.

No comments indicating any such thing were posted, (misinterpretations of what was actually posted are the responsibility of the misterpreter).

It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer.

That day will never come because I'd have more need of viable options than of such wishful-thinking.
 

One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD! 

Such is your unsupported belief/opinion however, since there is exactly zero basis for it, I do not hold such a belief.
  

I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond. 

Zounds, another hit-and-run declaration with no intention of backing it up - how mundanely common.

[tigerlilly01]

I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9. 

I am sorry that you misundertood them through the miasma of your 'faith' while proceding to make "disrepectful comments" which do not conform to your particular religious faith.
 

It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain.

No comments indicating any such thing were posted, (misinterpretations of what was actually posted are the responsibility of the misterpreter).

It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer.

That day will never come because I'd have more need of viable options than of such wishful-thinking.
 

One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD! 

Such is your unsupported belief/opinion however, since there is exactly zero basis for it, I do not hold such a belief.
  

I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond. 

Zounds, another hit-and-run declaration with no intention of backing it up - how mundanely common.


make no mistake ... one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ... and maybe you will remember ... I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....
The end ..... no more on that subject

[falcon9]

make no mistake ...

If you mean like the one you're making, have no fears; I don't make such empty faith-based declarations as you have and continue to make:

one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ...

I don't bow to specious assertions, as many of my posts show.

and maybe you will remember ...

Remember what; your evangelical insistance upon unsubstantiated nonsense?  How can I forget when you fundies constantly remind folks of blind faith over and over and over again?

I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....

After roughly 2,000 years of religious 'insistance', one would imagine that there'd be some evidence to support such a belief ... any evidence with veracity that is, (not some circular nonsense or dubious attributions but, actual hard evidence).  Wait, such would be imaginary 'evidence', based on baseless "faith", eh?
 

The end ..... no more on that subject

Hey, if you want to cease the exchange from your end, that's fine by me.  You do not however, get to declare "no more" without such an admonishment being duly ignored.  Here's a suggestion which you are also free to ignore or consider; focus on those problems for which some wishful-thinking was requested instead of this stuff, (because that wishful-thinking - "prayer" - isn't going to make those problems go away and neither is a 'debate' about it).  In fact, while you're burying your head in the sand anyway, put my posts on "ignore" before they accidentally cause an 'awakening'.