Daily Bible Verse

[kimberlymgiles]

Thanks for posting the daily verses. They are inspiring, and encouraging.....There once was a time in my life in which I didn't believe in God. I didn't know him properly. I wanted him to be a myth. I'm happy that I decided to develop a relationship with him.....KEEP DOING HIS WILL......

[falcon9]

...There once was a time in my life in which I didn't believe in God. I didn't know him properly. I wanted him to be a myth. I'm happy that I decided to develop a relationship with him.....

What makes you believe the concept isn't as mythological as claiming to have developed a mythological "relationship" with a mythological entity? If such is based only upon religious faith in false attributions, it has no valid basis.

[lhz123]

But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.
1 Peter 3:15
New International Version

[falcon9]

That's just the point though; no actual reasons are given in lieu of specious blind faith.

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."

[jcribb16]

Thanks for posting the daily verses. They are inspiring, and encouraging.....There once was a time in my life in which I didn't believe in God. I didn't know him properly. I wanted him to be a myth. I'm happy that I decided to develop a relationship with him.....KEEP DOING HIS WILL......

That's great!  I'm happy for you! 

[falcon9]

There once was a time in my life in which I didn't believe in God. I didn't know him properly. I wanted him to be a myth. I'm happy that I decided to develop a relationship with him.....KEEP DOING HIS WILL......

That's great!  I'm happy for you!  

I'd feel pity for her however, she choose to blind herself with specious faith and unreason.

[jcribb16]

Romans 8:7

"The sinful mind is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so."  (NIV)


Luke 11:9

"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." (NIV)


Romans 2:4

"Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?"  (NIV)


John 6:47

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes has eternal life."  (NIV)

[jcribb16]

There once was a time in my life in which I didn't believe in God. I didn't know him properly. I wanted him to be a myth. I'm happy that I decided to develop a relationship with him.....KEEP DOING HIS WILL......

That's great!  I'm happy for you!  

I'd feel pity for her however, she choose to blind herself with specious faith and unreason.

I feel pity for you, however, you also choose to blind yourself with the worldly views and lack of faith.

[falcon9]

I reject your specious "pity" and maintain that such "worldly views" as reason and logic are of more substantive insight than the insubstantial blind faith of religious beliefs.

I feel pity for you, however, you also choose to blind yourself with the worldly views and lack of faith.

[jcribb16]

I reject your specious "pity" and maintain that such "worldly views" as reason and logic are of more substantive insight than the insubstantial blind faith of religious beliefs.

I feel pity for you, however, you also choose to blind yourself with the worldly views and lack of faith.

That's your choice.  Just as it is theirs.

[falcon9]

That's what I'd already said, ('... she choose to blind herself with specious faith and unreason').  Choosing irrationality is not making a rational choice, by definition.

That's your choice.  Just as it is theirs.

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

[jcribb16]

That's what I'd already said, ('... she choose to blind herself with specious faith and unreason').  Choosing irrationality is not making a rational choice, by definition.

That's your choice.  Just as it is theirs.

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

And that, is your biased opinion on the matter (and yes, "biased" is my opinion word about your opinion) even though you do not see it as an opinion.  It is an opinion or assessment based on what you choose to believe or dis-believe, in this case.

[falcon9]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

And that, is your biased opinion on the matter (and yes, "biased" is my opinion word about your opinion) ...

Actually, it's Carl Sagan's quoted "opinion", (which is based upon the evidence that religious faith/beliefs are not based upon any validly-attributible evidence).  Although I do happen to agree with Carl.

... even though you do not see it as an opinion.  It is an opinion or assessment based on what you choose to believe or dis-believe, in this case.

The assessment is based upon logical reasoning and not "belief" or 'disbelief', (which has no bearing on the validlity of evidence or reasoning).

[jcribb16]

“You can not convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it is based on a deep-seated need to believe.”
-– Carl Sagan

And that, is your biased opinion on the matter (and yes, "biased" is my opinion word about your opinion) ...

Actually, it's Carl Sagan's quoted "opinion", (which is based upon the evidence that religious faith/beliefs are not based upon any validly-attributible evidence).  Although I do happen to agree with Carl.

... even though you do not see it as an opinion.  It is an opinion or assessment based on what you choose to believe or dis-believe, in this case.

The assessment is based upon logical reasoning and not "belief" or 'disbelief', (which has no bearing on the validlity of evidence or reasoning).

So?  Carl Sagan's quoted "opinion" is just that - "opinion."  Just because he said something about faith/beliefs, does not mean he is the expert and correct, especially about something he never chose to experience for himself.  He stayed on the outside of faith/belief in God, and so therefore did not comprehend the "truth" of being a believer in God.  So yes, he gave his views and opinions, but they are not set in stone as truth.  You accept his views - that's fine;  I do not accept his views, nor yours.

[falcon9]

The assessment is based upon logical reasoning and not "belief" or 'disbelief', (which has no bearing on the validlity of evidence or reasoning).

So?  Carl Sagan's quoted "opinion" is just that - "opinion." 

No, as I said, it's based upon logical reasoning, not the illogic of "belief/faith".  Naturally, a faith-blinded believer wouldn't be able to *see* that difference.

Just because he said something about faith/beliefs, does not mean he is the expert and correct, especially about something he never chose to experience for himself. 

It is neither necessary nor desirable to experience empty religious faith/beliefs in order to determine that such are not based on reason/logic/rationality.  Since such religious "faith" is expressly based upon the lack of substantively-attributible evidence, the assessment that Carl made is accurate.  The conclusion that derives from such accurate reasoning is that religious faith/beliefs are irrational and that's why religious believers eschew logical reasoning and embrace blind faith instead.