Daily Bible Verse

[falcon9]

Keep away from worthless and useless talk. 

Doubtless the religious fundies who post such "worthless and useless talk" so incessantly would prefer that it go unopposed.

[jcribb16]

Keep away from worthless and useless talk. It only leads people farther away from God. That sort of talk is like a sore that won't heal. And Hymenaeus and Philetus have been talking this way. — 2 Timothy 2:16-17 (CEV)

[jcribb16]

If these bible-thumping threads aren't overt proselytizing propaganda, why are there two of them thumping simultaneously?

Such religious propaganda being posted in the d+d subforum and then not debated makes the intention mind-numbing through mind blinding "faith".  No religious adherent has sucessfully defended "faith"/religious belief because it has no valid defense, (circular non-reasoning nonsense doesn't consitute validity).


"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."
-- Gregory House

Perhaps different reasons?

1.  They are by 2 different posters.
2.  They are different years (2011, 2012.)
3.  Someone probably saw one, and they liked it and responded, even though there was one floating around in FC forum cyber-space.
4.  One is labeled under Debate and Discuss, while the other is labeled under Off Topic.
5.  Both can't seem to be ignored by both some believers and some dis-believers!

Ok, hope that helped, and I know I will probably be "scolded" for being sarcastic, ha ha!  That's okay - we gotta laugh sometimes and not always be so ridiculously serious, right?!!! 



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[lhz123]

Proverbs 3:5-8 Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Never rely on what you think you know. Remember the Lord in everything you do, and he will show you the right way. Never let yourself think that you are wiser than you are; simply obey the Lord and refuse to do wrong. If you do, it will be like good medicine, healing your wounds and easing your pains. (GNT)

[falcon9]

Such "trust" in a supernatural egregore constitutes blind faith.

Proverbs 3:5-8 Trust in the Lord

[jcribb16]

2 Timothy 3:12

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:25

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,..."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:26

"And that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (NIV)


2 Timothy 2:10

"Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory."  (NIV)

[falcon9]

The requotes you've selected to repetitiously propagandize religious faith-blindness with are especially sanctimonious, self-righteous, insulting, deprecating of reason and offensive tonight.  Been to church today, huh?

2 Timothy 3:12

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:25

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,..."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:26

"And that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (NIV)


2 Timothy 2:10

"Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory."  (NIV)

[jcribb16]

The requotes you've selected to repetitiously propagandize religious faith-blindness with are especially sanctimonious, self-righteous, insulting, deprecating of reason and offensive tonight.  Been to church today, huh?

2 Timothy 3:12

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:25

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,..."  (NIV)


 2 Timothy 2:26

"And that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (NIV)


2 Timothy 2:10

"Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory."  (NIV)

Actually, yes I had been to church!  I also had to fill in on the piano for morning and evening services.  Thanks for asking!  Have a nice new week! 

[tuscarorarain]

Romans
Chapter 3
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
 
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
 
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
 
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Psa 51:4
 
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
 
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
 
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
 
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
 
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
 
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Psa 14:1, 53:1 Ecc 7:20
 
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Psa 14:2, 53:2
 
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:3, 53:3
 
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Psa 5:9, 140:3
 
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Psa 10:7
 
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Isa 59:7 Prov 1:16
 
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Isa 59:7
 
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Isa 59:8
 
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Isa 59:8
 
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
 
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
 
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
 
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
 
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
 
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
 
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
 
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
-Romans ch 3 KJV A Message About Salvation

[falcon9]

"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"

Yes. 

“He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.”
-- anonymous


“Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.”
-– Ambrose Bierce

[TurkessaB]

God is  good  all  the time ~

[Flackle]

God is  good  all  the time ~

Need anyone mention the countless atrocities god commits in the bible? If your definition of good is the killing of millions of people for Mosley ridiculous reasons, supporting the idea of slavery, supporting the idea of human and animal sacrifice, Killing others for vengeance, Envious of Others, Comparing homosexually to incest and bestiality, Condemn cripples by calling them profane, attach a MONETARY value onto a human being while valuing women to be less than men, Forbidding Interracial marriage, destruction of other's property.

And the list goes on and on and on and on.

So as you can see, your statement if nearly the opposite. It should be god is bad most of the time. Unless your definition of the word bad is that misconstrued. If that's the case I would highly recommend checking into an insane asylum.

[lhz123]

Fools have quick tempers, and no one likes you if you can't be trusted. — Proverbs 14:17 (CEV)

[falcon9]

Numerous xtians have quick tempers.

Fools have quick tempers, and no one likes you if you can't be trusted. — Proverbs 14:17 (CEV)

[jcribb16]

Falcon9, you like to use several people's quotes, in essence, against those who are "religious."  One of them is Ben Franklin, who is one of my favorites to have studied about.  It's easy to quote "quotes" of others, but sometimes the context of the quotes are left out.  This may be rather long, but I'm c/p (yes, so sorry, but yes, I am...) Ben Franklin's views on deism, God, living a Godly life, etc.  There are quotes he made that sound questionable and perhaps against God, yet if they are included with the context of what he said and why he said them, they make a lot more sense in his true views of God and "religion."

Virtue, religion, and personal beliefs

Like the other advocates of republicanism, Franklin emphasized that the new republic could survive only if the people were virtuous. All his life he explored the role of civic and personal virtue, as expressed in Poor Richard's aphorisms. Franklin felt that organized religion was necessary to keep men good to their fellow men, but rarely attended religious services himself.[90] When Franklin met Voltaire in Paris and asked this great apostle of the Enlightenment to bless his grandson, Voltaire said in English, "God and Liberty," and added, "this is the only appropriate benediction for the grandson of Monsieur Franklin."[91]

Franklin’s parents were both pious Puritans.[92] The family attended the old South Church, the most liberal Puritan congregation in Boston, where Benjamin Franklin was baptized in 1706.[93] Franklin’s father, a poor chandler, owned a copy of a book, Bonifacius: Essays to Do Good, by the Puritan preacher and family friend Cotton Mather, which Franklin often cited as a key influence on his life.[94] Franklin’s first pen name, Silence Dogood, paid homage both to the book and to a famous sermon by Mather. The book preached the importance of forming voluntary associations to benefit society. Franklin learned about forming do-good associations from Cotton Mather, but his organizational skills made him the most influential force in making voluntarism an enduring part of the American ethos.[95]

Franklin formulated a presentation of his beliefs and published it in 1728.[96] It did not mention many of the Puritan ideas as regards belief in salvation, the divinity of Jesus, and indeed most religious dogma. He clarified himself as a deist in his 1771 autobiography,[97] although he still considered himself a Christian.[98] He retained a strong faith in a God as the wellspring of morality and goodness in man, and as a Providential actor in history responsible for American independence.[99]

It was Ben Franklin who, at a critical impasse during the Constitutional Convention in June 1787, attempted to introduce the practice of daily common prayer with these words:

    ... In the beginning of the contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine Protection. – Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. ... And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need His assistance. I have lived, Sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings that "except the Lord build they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: ... I therefore beg leave to move – that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that service.[100]

However, the motion met with resistance and was never brought to a vote.[101]

Will continue in the next post...  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_franklin#Virtue.2C_religion.2C_and_personal_beliefs)